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I'm looking for the Watcher; Watcher, please respond.I would like to ask you a series of interview questions, to plumb yourbrain. I would like to do it here, in this forum, publicly. I know ofyou from the /x/ post details thread and from seeing a couple of yourposts online, so this isn't a paranormal request, just one to answerquestions that are interesting and relevant to /x/.<br><br>To those ofyou who don't know the Watcher is: he's a guy who says he's studied theoccult since age 11, and frequently drops bits and pieces of hisknowledge into threads. I do not think he is paranormal; I don't evenknow if he has paranormal abilities. He might not; asking forparanormal experiences is not the purpose of this thread. I'm writingbecause I'd like to ask him about his reading, the areas he hasstudied, and what he's learned from it. It's more of a research threadthan a firsthand experience thread, fyi; but the world needsresearchers too.</blockquote><a name="1139238"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1139238" class="reply"><input name="1139238" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)15:18 <span id="norep1139238"><a href="#1139238" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1139238')" class="quotejs">1139238</a></span><blockquote>wat</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1139251"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1139251" class="reply"><input name="1139251" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)15:19 <span id="norep1139251"><a href="#1139251" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1139251')" class="quotejs">1139251</a></span><blockquote>He wasnt there when I turned around.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140011"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140011" class="reply"><input name="1140011" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Watcher</span> 11/30/08(Sun)18:01 <span id="norep1140011"><a href="#1140011" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140011')" class="quotejs">1140011</a></span><blockquote>I will answer one question. What is it you want to know?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140066"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140066" class="reply"><input name="1140066" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Watcher</span> 11/30/08(Sun)18:30 <span id="norep1140066"><a href="#1140066" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140066')" class="quotejs">1140066</a></span><blockquote>Itis very late in the country in which I reside at present, so I'm off tobed; if you have replied upon my rising tomorrow morning, you shall beanswered - but I make no promises. I will not answer that which I havesworn to conceal.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140110"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140110" class="reply"><input name="1140110" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Watcher</span> 11/30/08(Sun)18:47 <span id="norep1140110"><a href="#1140110" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140110')" class="quotejs">1140110</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140066" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140066');">&gt;&gt;1140066</a></font><br>Disregard that, im going to play wow, i might alt tab back in 7 hours or so, cya later n00bz0rz</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140477"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140477" class="reply"><input name="1140477" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)21:20 <span id="norep1140477"><a href="#1140477" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140477')" class="quotejs">1140477</a></span><blockquote>iwould call myself a watcher, if i did not have an active hand at timesfor making decisions. also, i have no real interest in religion.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140719"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140719" class="reply"><input name="1140719" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)22:50 <span id="norep1140719"><a href="#1140719" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140719')" class="quotejs">1140719</a></span><blockquote>Sorry I was gone earlier; I will ask this, then. <br><br>Have you spoken to any of the Enochian entities? If so, what did they say?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140735"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140735" class="reply"><input name="1140735" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 11/30/08(Sun)22:56 <span id="norep1140735"><a href="#1140735" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140735')" class="quotejs">1140735</a></span><blockquote>ITT: people impersonating me.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140749"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140749" class="reply"><input name="1140749" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:01 <span id="norep1140749"><a href="#1140749" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140749')" class="quotejs">1140749</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140735" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140735');">&gt;&gt;1140735</a></font><br>Regardless, leave your questions, i'll be back in an hour or so to answer it., have to go give someone a ride.<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140719" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140719');">&gt;&gt;1140719</a></font><br><br>No,I haven't I avoid calling any angelic entities, they are verytempermental, moreso than demons, all for the smiting if you don'tmatch their idea of "moral".<br><br>I have however done a few of the lower (ambient spirit level) rites, nothing to write home about.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140762"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140762" class="reply"><input name="1140762" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Reaction</span> <span class="postertrip">!CWyn6OmbwU</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:07 <span id="norep1140762"><a href="#1140762" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140762')" class="quotejs">1140762</a></span><blockquote>What was your first magick experience? Your most powerful?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140781"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140781" class="reply"><input name="1140781" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:16 <span id="norep1140781"><a href="#1140781" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140781')" class="quotejs">1140781</a></span><blockquote>OP, I thought you said asking for paranormal experiences was not the purpose of this thread. Both in the occult as in the chans,<br><br>Lurk the fuck moar.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140813"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140813" class="reply"><input name="1140813" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:30 <span id="norep1140813"><a href="#1140813" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140813')" class="quotejs">1140813</a></span><blockquote>First and most importantly, thank you for responding.<br><br>I'msorry if I'm a little tired, and my questions aren't as good as I wouldhave wanted. I'd like to ask more about your areas of expertise (whichI don't know), so I'll ask leading questions, in a way. My questionswill probably sound rather clumsy, because I don't know that much aboutthe topics in question. If my questions are fundamentally misguided orunanswerable, feel free to say so.<br><br>What areas of magic have youstudied? Among the following three, which one would you say you havethe most experience in: Ceremonial, Qabalistic, or Chaos? <br><br>Haveyou known anyone who has undergone the operation to speak to their HolyGuardian Angel? If you've studied this operation in depth, can you saymore about it?<br><br>Also, I think you mentioned somewhere that youhad studied some Eastern traditions. If you could elaborate on that,please do, i.e. if you mean Taosim, Tantra, or something else.<br><br>Feel free to pick and choose among these questions, as I'm happy to receive a response on any of them.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140831"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140831" class="reply"><input name="1140831" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:37 <span id="norep1140831"><a href="#1140831" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140831')" class="quotejs">1140831</a></span><blockquote>Also, Watcher, I will be happy to tripcode, upon request. <br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140781" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140781');">&gt;&gt;1140781</a></font><br><br>Iwill try to keep the questions focused on research, broadly defined. Ifthis research includes personal experience (and the willingness toshare), then I will ask those too. However, I will strive to avoidopen-ended, overly generic or subjective questions like "What is magic"or "How do I do magic."</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140853"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140853" class="reply"><input name="1140853" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:44 <span id="norep1140853"><a href="#1140853" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140853')" class="quotejs">1140853</a></span><blockquote>OPagain. About the entities in magic: do you believe that these arepsychological, i.e. all inside our heads, or do you believe they havean objective existence?<br><br>Would you say that you subscribe to a basically Neoplatonist philosophy of God, the universe, etc.?<br><br>Are there any "ethnic" areas of magic you are interested in that would not fall under the heading of Judeo-Christian?<br><br>What do you think about the use of drugs to induce spiritual experiences, like ayahuasca, salvia divinorum, DMT, etc.<br><br>Doyou know any foreign languages, especially Greek, Hebrew, or Sanskrit?Do you believe these are truly 'magical languages,' or is the role ofindividual languages in magic unimportant?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140857"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140857" class="reply"><input name="1140857" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:46 <span id="norep1140857"><a href="#1140857" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140857')" class="quotejs">1140857</a></span><blockquote>Other anons can ask question to Watcher?<br>If so, I remember you mentioned Onmyodo, where did you learn it and is there any bibliography in English on the matter?<br>Thanks.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140859"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140859" class="reply"><input name="1140859" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:47 <span id="norep1140859"><a href="#1140859" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140859')" class="quotejs">1140859</a></span><blockquote>ITT: someone getting information for a research paper<br><br>Not that I blame you, OP.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140878"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140878" class="reply"><input name="1140878" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:54 <span id="norep1140878"><a href="#1140878" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140878')" class="quotejs">1140878</a></span><blockquote>OPonce more. From a research perspective, are there any languages whichyou consider it particularly important to know? Latin and Hebrew seemlike the two most obvious candidates, to my mind.<br><br>I don't oftenhere of people talking about Sanskrit as a magical language, though itclearly is. Do you think it is neglected? For lack of a better word, doyou have any experience with Indian magic?<br><br>Have you explored (or researched) the astral field? Is it interesting to you? Is it safe?<br><br>Anything to say on the topic of Edgar Cayce and/or the Akashic records? <br><br>Do you belong to any religious denomination? If not, is there one you would say you are closest to?<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140859" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140859');">&gt;&gt;1140859</a></font><br><br>Definitelynot; I don't know of any classes (other than anthropology) where Icould turn this in for a grade. Besides, I'm not attending college atthe moment. Watcher is free to answer as many of these questions as hewants, and ignore as many as he wants.<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140857" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140857');">&gt;&gt;1140857</a></font><br><br>That'sfine with me; Watcher is welcome to answer other questions he findsmore interesting than mine, since the answers are the reallyilluminating part.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140883"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140883" class="reply"><input name="1140883" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:55 <span id="norep1140883"><a href="#1140883" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140883')" class="quotejs">1140883</a></span><blockquote>Someonetold me not to mess with Enochian because if you don't know what you'redoing it's fucking easy to get raped in the butt by some mediocredemon. Angels are notorious for being dicks though, and aren't thewarm, fuzzy, Hallmark channel bastards everyone thinks they are. It'slike the difference between Edward Cullen and Dracula.<br><br>Anyway,if Watcher doesn't mind, I have a question: how can you tell if aspirit you're dealing with is actually who they claim to be? It's easyfor someone to say they're some notorious demon or Heath Ledger or somebullshit, but how can I be sure they're not making things up to messwith me?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140902"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140902" class="reply"><input name="1140902" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 11/30/08(Sun)23:59 <span id="norep1140902"><a href="#1140902" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140902')" class="quotejs">1140902</a></span><blockquote>Not OP, just a curious bystander.<br><br>What country are you in right now? And do you get to travel a lot?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140913"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140913" class="reply"><input name="1140913" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:06 <span id="norep1140913"><a href="#1140913" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140913')" class="quotejs">1140913</a></span><blockquote>So... why /x/? I get that it's an anonymous board full of skeptics and wannabes, but I don't see the appeal.<br><br>Also,/x/ is a relatively new board to 4chan. I think it's only one or twoyears old? Were you on 4chan before /x/'s creation? Because that wouldbe lolarious.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140917"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140917" class="reply"><input name="1140917" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:07 <span id="norep1140917"><a href="#1140917" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140917')" class="quotejs">1140917</a></span><blockquote>OP again.<br><br>What do you think about channeled material? To take two popular examples, A Course In Miracles and the Urantia Book. <br><br>Have you studied Emmanuel Swedenborg?<br><br>Do you have any thoughts on the mass popularization of Kabbalah that have been happening in the past decade?<br><br>Therehave been a number of 19th century spiritual movements that have fallenby the wayside, i.e. Spiritualism, Theosophy, the Society of St.Germaine. Have you found any interesting material there?<br><br>Do you believe there are hidden brotherhoods and ascended masters that are currently active?<br><br>Do you practice tarot, or astrology?<br><br>Have you worked with Egyptian, Greek or Norse magical pantheons?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140937"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140937" class="reply"><input name="1140937" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:14 <span id="norep1140937"><a href="#1140937" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140937')" class="quotejs">1140937</a></span><blockquote>Watcher, were you to channel a kid's spirit, would you take him to da bar?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140938"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140938" class="reply"><input name="1140938" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:15 <span id="norep1140938"><a href="#1140938" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140938')" class="quotejs">1140938</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140813" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140813');">&gt;&gt;1140813</a></font><br><br>From the top:<br><br>Areas(will limit to western as eastern is a seperate question): Ceremonial,Zoroastrian (*shudder*), enochian (I have studied, study does not equalpractice.), Chaos Magick/discordia, Demonology, Qaballah, Thelemic,Alchemy, Voodoo, and lastly Gnostic, what little I could find, most oftheir texts were burned in the christian heretic raids in the 4th and5th century. I have also dipped into greek magic, but barely gotten myfeet wet there -- my area of expertise is defense, that is, warding,banishing and the like. Area i've delved the deepest into is ChaosMagick, was my first, so to speak.<br><br>As for the HGA, I do not knowanyone who has contact it, nor have I contacted mine, as for what I cansay about it, is the concept (that being a second "greater" self on theoutside, sort of a half only visible on the astral plane) pops upsconstantly, in a variety of schools. The Half-angel theory in Enoch,the "death self" in chaos, etc.<br><br>Eastern magic: I have went intotantra again at a "feet wetting" level, I have however studied varioussects of esoteric Buddhism in depth, as well as onmyoudo/taoism.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140943"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140943" class="reply"><input name="1140943" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:16 <span id="norep1140943"><a href="#1140943" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140943')" class="quotejs">1140943</a></span><blockquote>Next post:<br><br>Entitiesare.. complicated, both "all in our heads" yet not, I subscribe to avery chaos-esque view of them, in that all "Entities" were made byhumans, products of our belief, certain things -- gods, angels, etc,are the results of so much belief over such a long period of time theybecame sentient.<br><br>You can both say I do and don't, Chaos magick'smost base point is that belief is a tool, we fake it until we make it,if a work requires a faithful christian, then we make ourselves one forthe purpose of the work.<br><br>However, chaos rules all, everythingwas born from it, and everything will return to it eventually,everything can be chocked up to pure chaos in the end.<br><br>Plenty, in particular, I would have to say Norse magic has always interested me, it goes so deep for a mythology based system<br><br>Ihave one thing to say about drugs: There are many gateways, some ofwhich are supposed to be walked through slowly, chemically ripping themopen is never a good idea.<br><br>Languages: English (lol), japanese(major!\o/), Latin, Gaelic (family =/), and uh, two years of highschool german, *nod* -- Will likely get around to learning sanskrit oneof these days.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140976"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140976" class="reply"><input name="1140976" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:24 <span id="norep1140976"><a href="#1140976" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140976')" class="quotejs">1140976</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140938" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140938');">&gt;&gt;1140938</a></font><br><br>Howinteresting, about Zoroastrianism - I have never met anyone who hasstudied it. What do you have to say about it? Is it worthinvestigating? Why the shudder?<br><br>I see that you have specialized(if I can use that word) in Chaos magic; one of the more interestingonline accounts speaks about Fotamecus and time dilation. Do you haveany knowledge or experience of this?<br><br>Does Japan have anyinteresting magical traditions? I usually hear of Japan in the contextof Shintoism and Zen Buddhism, at a very general level.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1140987"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1140987" class="reply"><input name="1140987" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:26 <span id="norep1140987"><a href="#1140987" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1140987')" class="quotejs">1140987</a></span><blockquote>Answering non-op questions before moving on<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140857" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140857');">&gt;&gt;1140857</a></font><br>I learned from japanese books, but googling might provide some good information.<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140883" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140883');">&gt;&gt;1140883</a></font><br>Bindingsare absolute. If you have your circle properly made and adorned andbound the demon correctly, It can't lie to you, it can tell you shittyhalf-truthes to manipulate you, but can't straight up tell lies.<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140937" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140937');">&gt;&gt;1140937</a></font><br>Oooooh yea.<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140913" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140913');">&gt;&gt;1140913</a></font><br>Ihave been on 4chan for ages, back before /b/ was shitty, believe it ornot it's a good way to siphon the hivemind for help on a sigil &gt;_&gt;<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140902" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140902');">&gt;&gt;1140902</a></font><br>America,don't travel much, I have been to ireland a couple times to see myfamily, and japan twice on training trips (I have my nidan in aikido.)<br><br>and also to elaborate on magic languages for op:<br><br>Languageis as powerful as the person speaking it, Names hold more importancethan the language itself, goes back to the belief thing, eventuallyattributes given to an item become attached to the name.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141032"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141032" class="reply"><input name="1141032" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:37 <span id="norep1141032"><a href="#1141032" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141032')" class="quotejs">1141032</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140917" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140917');">&gt;&gt;1140917</a></font><br>Automaticwriting, in the hands of a mage (Spare comes to mind, his Zos workswere Automatic writings) very useful tools, otherwise, a good marketingscheme, "a voice from god made me do it!" is a good way to sell copies.<br><br>EmmanuelSwedenborg.. I have nothing more o say about him than I do any otherfamous clairvoyant, his "Gifts" could have come from anywhere.<br><br>Pitifulas the big witch/vampire boom in the 80's, it takes a sacred thing anddrags it through the dirt. I once wore a charm of rachel on my rightwrist for a year or so, and had people coming up and asking me aboutthe "Kaballic charm on my hand, like Madonna's!" I was on the verge ofputting a barrier around the thing to shut them up.<br><br>Many arepeople going for a quick buck, though i've found a few.. interestingthings in the Society of St. Germaine's teachings, but.. anything withSt. Germaine is bound to have that.<br><br>I'm not so blind as to say there aren't, the world is a very wide place<br><br>All3, Thanatos is part of my personal pantheon perse, and hell, when at aneutral state, i'm a discordian by nature, Eris is my unburdened lady.<br><br>Norse, as I mentioned, I am very interested in, I can read runes, in the process of learning the creation of them.<br><br>Egyptian.. not so much, more likely to go Sumerian if I go that far back.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141036"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141036" class="reply"><input name="1141036" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:38 <span id="norep1141036"><a href="#1141036" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141036')" class="quotejs">1141036</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140987" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140987');">&gt;&gt;1140987</a></font><br>Wellyeah, if you're purposefully summoning something and you're doing itright then of course they're not gonna lie about it. But what if you'renot summoning someone and it's just a random encounter? There's somesignificance behind names, right? One particular entity that I workwith wouldn't give me a name for the longest time until they learnedthey could trust me. All I want to know is how to be sure they didn'tgive me a fake name.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141051"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141051" class="reply"><input name="1141051" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:41 <span id="norep1141051"><a href="#1141051" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141051')" class="quotejs">1141051</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140878" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140878');">&gt;&gt;1140878</a></font><br>Skipped this, heh.<br><br>Sanskritis, and as you said, very ignored, it's a bit too.. old for manypeople, for good reason i'd guess, there are things people shouldn'tfind hidden in the cracks there.<br><br>Astral field, yes, i've playedwith it, no, it's not safe, those 'things lurking on the edges ofreality' lovecraft wrote about exist on that side, except they aren'tquite so obvious.<br><br>Cayce is.. Cayce, see what I said about Swedenborg for my feelings on him.<br><br>THe Akashic record however I could write you a paper on, so i'm not going to go into<br><br>lastly, as I said, I am a discordian when in a neutral state.<br><br>also forgive my keyboard, it's a piece of junk, and correcting all the typos is getting annoying</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141068"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141068" class="reply"><input name="1141068" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:48 <span id="norep1141068"><a href="#1141068" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141068')" class="quotejs">1141068</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141036" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141036');">&gt;&gt;1141036</a></font><br>Hateto say it, but.. It did. First rule of binding, use your full power toget a true name out of it. When it comes to entities a True name is asgood as a total control switch, they don't just give it once they'vegained "trust" you have to work the binding to force it out of them.<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140976" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140976');">&gt;&gt;1140976</a></font><br>Zoroastrianmagic deals with some dark shit, primal dark, sumerian blood sacrificedark. there is no "Good" zoroastrian magic, and one slip up and angramainyu comes knocking on your door. That's why I shuddered.<br><br>Fotometicus,To be honest, I don't think it ever happened, the story itself was asort of sigil to work towards his creation, whichever, it worked, i'veworked with him before, results were convincing enough.<br><br>Japanhas alot of them, before the end of the sengoku area, many territoriesof japan were like native american tribes, they had their ownreligions, Kami that watched the lands, etc, diverse doesn't begin todescribe it -- a good example of this is dialects, dialects in japanare interesting, there are certain corruptions that show up in thenorth and south, and in some places the "native" (most japanese peoplespeak tokyo-ben regardless) dialect is so far seperated from the tokyo(which is what is taught around the world) dialect, that it qualifiesas a different language, albeit in the same family.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141075"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141075" class="reply"><input name="1141075" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)00:50 <span id="norep1141075"><a href="#1141075" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141075')" class="quotejs">1141075</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141068" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141068');">&gt;&gt;1141068</a></font><br>Sengoku Era* lol typing.<br><br>Any more questions?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141100"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141100" class="reply"><input name="1141100" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:00 <span id="norep1141100"><a href="#1141100" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141100')" class="quotejs">1141100</a></span><blockquote>non-OP here, just wondering something.<br><br>Doyou believe modern science will ever stumble upon the entities andphenomena associated with these occult happenings, or are they suchentirely different ways of viewing the universe that understanding themthrough scientific reasoning is impossible?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141102"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141102" class="reply"><input name="1141102" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:02 <span id="norep1141102"><a href="#1141102" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141102')" class="quotejs">1141102</a></span><blockquote>thisis going to sound stupid but how do you feel about vampires, and thecorny popularity of it now? What's the difference between 'old school'vampire tales, and the shitty sexualized versions of them now. Anytruth to either? <br><br>also, how about the idea of insanity in allit's forms being due to the brains inability to filter out certainenergies or ideas floating around from other people?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141103"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141103" class="reply"><input name="1141103" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:02 <span id="norep1141103"><a href="#1141103" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141103')" class="quotejs">1141103</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141068" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141068');">&gt;&gt;1141068</a></font><br>Ohdamn it I figured as much. The thing I deal with is WAY more powerfulthan I am so I have no idea how to bind it, but it's not like I wasdoing some retard summoning and conjured him up or anything. I'm apretty experienced spiritual medium and stuff comes over to chat allthe time. This guy seems like he's an upper level being and not justsome punkass midgrade spirit, but he gave me a generic name that I wassuspicious about from the start. I don't especially know what he wantsfrom me even though I've been talking to him for a couple years now. Ifhe wanted, I know he could kill me in a heartbeat. But he doesn't everregard me with violence or threats.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141107"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141107" class="reply"><input name="1141107" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:02 <span id="norep1141107"><a href="#1141107" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141107')" class="quotejs">1141107</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141102" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141102');">&gt;&gt;1141102</a></font><br>also non-op</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141121"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141121" class="reply"><input name="1141121" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:06 <span id="norep1141121"><a href="#1141121" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141121')" class="quotejs">1141121</a></span><blockquote>OPhere. Thanks! That was very interesting; let me finish by saying Iappreciated this conversation. That's interesting about Fotamecus, too- you account makes sense. Also, that bit about Zoroastrianism was alsovery interesting; I'd heard negative things about their practicesbefore, but I assumed this was just reflexive Muslim hostility. <br><br>Ifyou don't receive this until later, thanks for staying around andanswering these questions. If you're still around, though, one lastquestion... is there any country you would like to visit (aside fromthose already mentioned), to learn more about its magical traditions?I've heard that Indonesia, for instance, has very strong ones. And ifyou're not around... again, thanks!</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141147"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141147" class="reply"><input name="1141147" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:17 <span id="norep1141147"><a href="#1141147" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141147')" class="quotejs">1141147</a></span><blockquote>Watcher, is there something relatively simple I can do to prove any of this exists? I'm not being an ass, I'm just wondering</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141154"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141154" class="reply"><input name="1141154" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:19 <span id="norep1141154"><a href="#1141154" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141154')" class="quotejs">1141154</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141100" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141100');">&gt;&gt;1141100</a></font><br>Itmay, I won't say that it won't, the problem with science is it draws acircle, and things outside the circle are ignored and rejected, thingslike that are outside the circle, finding entities requires an openmind, until modern science gets rid of it's closed mindedness, so itwon't.<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141102" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141102');">&gt;&gt;1141102</a></font><br>Don't get me started on how pop culture has raped the vampire.<br><br>http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vkk/index.htm<br><br>bookwritten at the start of the 20th century by a priest who went crazedover them, it's mostly crazed ramblings, but gives a feeling of thetrue "Fear' they birthed before this.<br><br>As for Insanity... well, A great person once said, in her view of 'psychics'<br><br>"Thehuman brain is like a television, say there are 12 channels, andeveryone watches channel 7, it's the "normal" channel, we all lovechannel 7, it's our friend, however we've spent so long on chapter 7that we no longer have the ability change channels.<br><br>Now, let ussay on channel 3, people have the ability o chat with plants, now,there are people with the ability to view both channel 3 and 7, we callthose "psychics' if played well, or just stomp on them as society,because they have to be lying fools.<br><br>However, say somethinghappens that forces fly into channel 3 without the ability to changeit, we call those people "crazy" and lock them up in an asylum, becauseafter all, they were normal a minute ago and now they claim they cantalk to plants, and have trouble talking to others, they can't benormal!"</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141167"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141167" class="reply"><input name="1141167" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:24 <span id="norep1141167"><a href="#1141167" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141167')" class="quotejs">1141167</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141121" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141121');">&gt;&gt;1141121</a></font><br>asfor "magic" places, any pacific island, always fun there, tribes therehave put plenty of energy into creating places of power..<br><br>As for"magic".. Hong Kong, believe it or not, one of the most used ports inthe world, with a long running history of chinese mages, places likethat gather people of power just by existence, a hundred years ago,indian ports would be perfect for this, still are good, but hong kongis so much better.<br><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141147" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141147');">&gt;&gt;1141147</a></font><br>No,and yes. Plenty of simple things you can do with chaos magick to proveto yourself or a friend, nothing you could do to prove to a scientistthey wouldn't just pass off as a coincidence, there are some things yououl do they couldn't, but they are neither easy, nor am Iwilling toteach them.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141184"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141184" class="reply"><input name="1141184" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:30 <span id="norep1141184"><a href="#1141184" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141184')" class="quotejs">1141184</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141154" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141154');">&gt;&gt;1141154</a></font><br><br>sciencewas cool back when it was open minded against the circle that waschristianity. A lot of early scientists were also interested inoccultism</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141199"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141199" class="reply"><input name="1141199" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:34 <span id="norep1141199"><a href="#1141199" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141199')" class="quotejs">1141199</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141103" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141103');">&gt;&gt;1141103</a> here, forgot to ask my question.</font><br><br>Anyway,why do you think he continues to talk to me if I offer him nothingother than conversation? He's not exactly the type that needs to seekout random humans just for the hell of it. Is this common?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141202"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141202" class="reply"><input name="1141202" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:35 <span id="norep1141202"><a href="#1141202" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141202')" class="quotejs">1141202</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141167" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141167');">&gt;&gt;1141167</a></font><br><br>I'd be looking more into the former than the latter. I'm not ready to get in a pissing contest with materialists. BTW I'm <a href="#1141147" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141147');">&gt;&gt;1141147</a></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141208"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141208" class="reply"><input name="1141208" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:38 <span id="norep1141208"><a href="#1141208" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141208')" class="quotejs">1141208</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141199" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141199');">&gt;&gt;1141199</a></font><br>At risk of sounding like a fortune cookie<br><br>"be weary of any deals offered."</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141233"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141233" class="reply"><input name="1141233" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:43 <span id="norep1141233"><a href="#1141233" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141233')" class="quotejs">1141233</a></span><blockquote>BAMP</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141234"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141234" class="reply"><input name="1141234" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:43 <span id="norep1141234"><a href="#1141234" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141234')" class="quotejs">1141234</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141202" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141202');">&gt;&gt;1141202</a></font><br>http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/principiachao.html<br><br>The primer, basically it pronounces the philisophical theory behind chaos magick, good place for getting a foothold.<br><br>http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/sigservgod.html<br><br>Longass essay on sigils, their application, historical use, etc. will teachyou everything you need to know; however if that's a bit too much, pokearound spiral nature's chaos magick section, plenty of differentapproaches in there, surely something you can play with.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141244"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141244" class="reply"><input name="1141244" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:47 <span id="norep1141244"><a href="#1141244" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141244')" class="quotejs">1141244</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141202" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141202');">&gt;&gt;1141202</a></font><br><br>sorrymate, no fireball throwing. Magic half happens in your head so a reallyclose minded fella would simply dismiss it as a coincidence or thinkthat is something in their heads (we are talking about so ghosts so mymind is playing games with me) wich is technically true, so :/<br><br>MyexGF was pretty accurate at Tarot but any close minded peson willsimply call bullshit. The problem is that science right now can't provethings outside its framework and there's also the little fact that somethings are explained by both science and magic and boths explanationscan be true. All contradictions can be explained if just change theperspective</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141253"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141253" class="reply"><input name="1141253" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:50 <span id="norep1141253"><a href="#1141253" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141253')" class="quotejs">1141253</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141208" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141208');">&gt;&gt;1141208</a></font><br>Elaborate plox? He's mentioned on occasion that he'd like me to be his "agent" to do shit for him in our world. <br><br>In b4 selling my soul to the devil</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141272"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141272" class="reply"><input name="1141272" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:56 <span id="norep1141272"><a href="#1141272" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141272')" class="quotejs">1141272</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141244" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141244');">&gt;&gt;1141244</a></font><br><br>sohow would you suggest removing a rather undesirable end of mypersonality? A trait that I am quite conscious about, but it is mytotal secret and I am disgusted by it.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141273"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141273" class="reply"><input name="1141273" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:56 <span id="norep1141273"><a href="#1141273" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141273')" class="quotejs">1141273</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141253" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141253');">&gt;&gt;1141253</a></font><br><br>Yea,that'd be the kind of deal. Generally if he's hanging around for noreason, You have some use for it, and it's going to use you for it.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141278"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141278" class="reply"><input name="1141278" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:58 <span id="norep1141278"><a href="#1141278" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141278')" class="quotejs">1141278</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141272" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141272');">&gt;&gt;1141272</a></font><br>Eraseit. Remember how I said "fake it until you make it" earlier? yea, rule#1 of that is your personality, focus on your trait, the memories thatcreate it.. and.. force them out of your head.. literally, erase them.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141279"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141279" class="reply"><input name="1141279" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)01:59 <span id="norep1141279"><a href="#1141279" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141279')" class="quotejs">1141279</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141273" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141273');">&gt;&gt;1141273</a></font><br>So you think I shouldn't go for it? Not to sound like a gigantic faggot, but why me? I don't have super powers.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141294"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141294" class="reply"><input name="1141294" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:04 <span id="norep1141294"><a href="#1141294" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141294')" class="quotejs">1141294</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141272" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141272');">&gt;&gt;1141272</a></font><br><br>shit man, that is difficult. You have two main choices<br><br>Choice#1: Repress it. Try not to think about, etc. Thats the shit mostpsychologist do and do not recomend it because it becomes like a cancerin your personality.<br><br>Choice #2: Supress it. Become hiperconciousabout it and each day try to give it less importance. Eventually you'llstart to care less and less. Its kinda forgetting about a girl. If youhave to cry it out, do it. The key is to pull it out, not in.[recomended]</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141299"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141299" class="reply"><input name="1141299" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:06 <span id="norep1141299"><a href="#1141299" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141299')" class="quotejs">1141299</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141279" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141279');">&gt;&gt;1141279</a></font><br>Probably in a position to give him something easier than someone else.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141305"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141305" class="reply"><input name="1141305" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:08 <span id="norep1141305"><a href="#1141305" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141305')" class="quotejs">1141305</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141299" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141299');">&gt;&gt;1141299</a></font><br>This is probably getting tedious, but what could I possibly have to offer?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141310"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141310" class="reply"><input name="1141310" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:10 <span id="norep1141310"><a href="#1141310" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141310')" class="quotejs">1141310</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141305" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141305');">&gt;&gt;1141305</a></font><br>Who knows, I don't know you.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141340"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141340" class="reply"><input name="1141340" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:19 <span id="norep1141340"><a href="#1141340" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141340')" class="quotejs">1141340</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141305" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141305');">&gt;&gt;1141305</a></font><br><br>why don't you ask him?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141352"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141352" class="reply"><input name="1141352" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:23 <span id="norep1141352"><a href="#1141352" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141352')" class="quotejs">1141352</a></span><blockquote>wait a moment, this thread is fascinating but I have to interject.<br>I really thought the vast majority of people in here would have beenstudying the occult or at least a certain aspect of it from a veryyoung age.<br>I honestly didnt think that was special.<br><br>I'm notsaying this at all to question or to cast doubt on watcher, Im justthinking to myself "wtf maybe Ive found a place I can use some of thisquarter of a century of study"<br><br> I don't want to steal watchersthunder or anything but if anyone else is interested in the opinion ofsomeone whos been studying the occult basically since they could readid be happy to help.<br><br>I don't claim to have powers or be anything"special", not any more special than any of you anyway. but.... wow...as silly as it sounds, a chance to help sounds.... cool and the thoughtthat I might be somehow "special" because of this is almostintimidating but awesome.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141358"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141358" class="reply"><input name="1141358" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:24 <span id="norep1141358"><a href="#1141358" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141358')" class="quotejs">1141358</a></span><blockquote>Watcher:<br><br>Youmentioned "second selves" and "death selves." I have compellingevidence that I am being plagued by a negative version of these -something I believe to be a malicious aspect of myself that is partlyexternalized - sort of a ghost of myself that I have created and nowhaunts me. I know it all sounds very psychological but once again,things have happened (such as other people seeing this other me indreams) that convince me this is an actual entity. How do I go aboutbinding and dismissing it?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141368"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141368" class="reply"><input name="1141368" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:26 <span id="norep1141368"><a href="#1141368" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141368')" class="quotejs">1141368</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141358" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141358');">&gt;&gt;1141358</a> (me)</font><br><br>question not just for the Watcher, I'd like to hear whatever anyone knowledgeable has to say.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141385"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141385" class="reply"><input name="1141385" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:32 <span id="norep1141385"><a href="#1141385" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141385')" class="quotejs">1141385</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141368" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141368');">&gt;&gt;1141368</a></font><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141358" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141358');">&gt;&gt;1141358</a></font><br>what kind of compelling evidence do you have? Not doubting just wondering to better help you figure this all out.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141393"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141393" class="reply"><input name="1141393" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher !qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:34 <span id="norep1141393"><a href="#1141393" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141393')" class="quotejs">1141393</a></span><blockquote>wat</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141394"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141394" class="reply"><input name="1141394" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:34 <span id="norep1141394"><a href="#1141394" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141394')" class="quotejs">1141394</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141358" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141358');">&gt;&gt;1141358</a></font><br>Rule#1 of self entities, confrontation is the first step to binding,confront it, and I know it sounds silly,but keep some salt on hand,just throw it if things go south &gt;_&gt;;</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141400"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141400" class="reply"><input name="1141400" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:36 <span id="norep1141400"><a href="#1141400" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141400')" class="quotejs">1141400</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141393" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141393');">&gt;&gt;1141393</a></font><br>Come on now, my trip pass isn't THAT complicated.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141415"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141415" class="reply"><input name="1141415" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:40 <span id="norep1141415"><a href="#1141415" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141415')" class="quotejs">1141415</a></span><blockquote>How would I go about summoning a minor, harmless entity, Watcher?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141421"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141421" class="reply"><input name="1141421" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:43 <span id="norep1141421"><a href="#1141421" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141421')" class="quotejs">1141421</a></span><blockquote>Youmentioned when in the astral plane and the Lovecraftian creatures. Sayone did get to the astral plane and encountered one? What would happen?<br>Or is it the obvious mind raep?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141433"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141433" class="reply"><input name="1141433" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:49 <span id="norep1141433"><a href="#1141433" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141433')" class="quotejs">1141433</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141415" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141415');">&gt;&gt;1141415</a></font><br>That's like an entry--way drug, so.. no.<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141421" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141421');">&gt;&gt;1141421</a></font><br>Notlovecraftian creatures, those are false, just.. similar, and yea,mindraep, possession, all thefun usuals.. along with astral stalking,and the possibility o being stuck in the astral plane with someone elseriding your body.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141437"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141437" class="reply"><input name="1141437" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:50 <span id="norep1141437"><a href="#1141437" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141437')" class="quotejs">1141437</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141433" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141433');">&gt;&gt;1141433</a></font><br>Sounds fun. Any possible way to protect yourself or are they too powerful?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141442"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141442" class="reply"><input name="1141442" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:52 <span id="norep1141442"><a href="#1141442" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141442')" class="quotejs">1141442</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141433" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141433');">&gt;&gt;1141433</a></font><br>Who are you to judge if lovecraftian creatures are false!<br>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn!</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141448"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141448" class="reply"><input name="1141448" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)02:54 <span id="norep1141448"><a href="#1141448" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141448')" class="quotejs">1141448</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141385" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141385');">&gt;&gt;1141385</a></font><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141394" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141394');">&gt;&gt;1141394</a></font><br><br>Iused to imagine this sort of darker, spectral version of myself. Iwrote a short story about him for a class in college and felt I shoulduse my middle name as his name. Within a matter of days my girlfriendtold me about a dream she had where I appeared exactly as my imaginedcharacter (darker hair, brighter eyes, paler skin - sort of lame andemo sounding but scary) and hurt her physically. She had never read orheard of the story I had written. She saw this other me every night fora week. Soon after I became fairly depressed and felt strange all thetime. I began acting like an asshole and didn't even notice. I felt sadand powerful and crazy. One day a friend came over to my room and inthe middle of a conversation he jumped back and screamed. He explainedthat he had seen what appeared to be my face in the mirror on my wallbut different. He got the impression that it was evil and had amalicious intent and was reasonably freaked out for a while afterwards.I worked for months to banish this other self, and have largelysucceeded, but I fear that he is still there, lying dormant. I haven'tused any sort of occult ritual or magic to do this - just pure will. Iworry that it will take something more than just will to finish this.What can I do? Thank you watcher for your advice. Could you give memore specifics about how to "confront" this entity? Again, I'd reallyappreciate any help from anyone who is knowledgeable about these things.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141466"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141466" class="reply"><input name="1141466" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:05 <span id="norep1141466"><a href="#1141466" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141466')" class="quotejs">1141466</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141448" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141448');">&gt;&gt;1141448</a></font><br>Ithink as watcher said confrontation is rule #1. It sounds as if you'vealready begun the process. You have to realize that this thing is made,more or less of you. you're not so much binding or dispelling in atraditional sense as you are 're-absorbing' or containing it, forcingit to return to its source where it "belongs". <br><br>Further youhave to recognize this thing is a part of you, you have to confrontthat and deal with he fact that its still inside you somewhere. I wouldpersonally try once confronted, to slowly alter its energy or purpose,you have enough in common you could begin to alter it within yourselfand reclaim it into you.<br>Remember that its a part of you thatbelongs to you, you want it back you're taking it back to do with asyou chose. You made it you have the power to un-make it or demand itscooperation.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141500"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141500" class="reply"><input name="1141500" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle">noko</span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:20 <span id="norep1141500"><a href="#1141500" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141500')" class="quotejs">1141500</a></span><blockquote>Its good to know that at 3:00 in the morning, I can find people to keep me intellectually stimulated.<br>Watcher,I am not asking for a handout of your work and studies, I simply wouldlike your input on where I can begin in similar respects to yourself;ideally, where I can get trusted information and whose info I shouldavoid.<br><br>Also, to stay in the vein of asking questions:<br>Ouija Boards. Gimmick of the 80's or should I never entertain the thought of digging it out of the attic?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141521"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141521" class="reply"><input name="1141521" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:28 <span id="norep1141521"><a href="#1141521" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141521')" class="quotejs">1141521</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141500" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141500');">&gt;&gt;1141500</a></font><br>Ipersonally stay away from Ouija boards. I've heard to many tales ofpeople getting haunted, possessed, or just generally fucked withbecause of those things<br>I've heard good remarks about them, though.And I have a few friends that know how to work one and which spirits tostay away from<br><br>I'd say it's a matter of preference really, but I don't know nearly as much as Watcher</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141534"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141534" class="reply"><input name="1141534" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:32 <span id="norep1141534"><a href="#1141534" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141534')" class="quotejs">1141534</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141500" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141500');">&gt;&gt;1141500</a></font><br>seethe two links I gave the other guy earlier, Chaos Magick is -the-starting point, it's simple, very... modern, and encourages the studyof other sects ("belief is a tool, work with whatever you want howeveryou want until you produce results, etc etc)<br><br>Spiral nature ( the site I gave him a link to) is very good for chaos magick.<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141442" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141442');">&gt;&gt;1141442</a></font><br>The man himself said many times that they were.<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141437" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141437');">&gt;&gt;1141437</a></font><br>Course there are, we wouldn't have books on the subject if people were getting possessed every time they tried it.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141537"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141537" class="reply"><input name="1141537" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:34 <span id="norep1141537"><a href="#1141537" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141537')" class="quotejs">1141537</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141500" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141500');">&gt;&gt;1141500</a></font><br>Forgotto say, ouija boards are an old spiritual medium, turned into a game..nothing more than a frontend for a older technique, gives them aninterface with which to interact.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141539"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141539" class="reply"><input name="1141539" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:34 <span id="norep1141539"><a href="#1141539" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141539')" class="quotejs">1141539</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141500" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141500');">&gt;&gt;1141500</a></font><br>this is<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141352" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141352');">&gt;&gt;1141352</a></font><br>here<br><br>Idhave to generally say, stay away from them. Ive always kind of likenedouija board to be like prank calling the other side. it MAY be entirelyharmless but really you're just putting out an open line to "anybodywho wants to come in" would you put a sign on your front door that said"anybody at all, my door is unlocked come on in"? I would hope not.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141561"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141561" class="reply"><input name="1141561" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:39 <span id="norep1141561"><a href="#1141561" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141561')" class="quotejs">1141561</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141534" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141534');">&gt;&gt;1141534</a></font><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141437" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141437');">&gt;&gt;1141437</a> here</font><br><br>What books do you recommend?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141563"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141563" class="reply"><input name="1141563" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:40 <span id="norep1141563"><a href="#1141563" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141563')" class="quotejs">1141563</a></span><blockquote>Are the bodily fluids of a virgin maiden of any use whatsoever?  (blood, tears, other bodily fluids that aren't so nice, etc.)</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141579"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141579" class="reply"><input name="1141579" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:45 <span id="norep1141579"><a href="#1141579" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141579')" class="quotejs">1141579</a></span><blockquote>Do the Ax threads make you angry?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141582"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141582" class="reply"><input name="1141582" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:46 <span id="norep1141582"><a href="#1141582" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141582')" class="quotejs">1141582</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141539" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141539');">&gt;&gt;1141539</a></font><br>With all do respect, I sort of do want to announce an open door.<br><br>Iwas raised in a very cynical house, ruled predominantly by my father,and I could go on a tirade about my childhood in vain attempts toconnect that with my goals and wishes here, but to digress, I do wantcontact.<br>I need to know if there is something, anything at all,beyond my perception. I'm not above playing with cardboard games, orsitting in front my my bathroom mirror as the clock strikes midnight,but I want to know whats "safe" and what works.<br>I quote safe,because I know for a fact I am strong willed, and have been told I have"tremendous command over my own aura and energies"<br><br>Thank you for your help.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141597"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141597" class="reply"><input name="1141597" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:53 <span id="norep1141597"><a href="#1141597" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141597')" class="quotejs">1141597</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141582" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141582');">&gt;&gt;1141582</a></font><br>wellin that case it might be what you're looking for. I might alsorecommend automatic writing. Again Id caution though that you mightwant to try to invite specific energies rather than a completely opendoor policy but, your call. My only other piece of advice whencontacting pretty much anything is to be open to them communicatingwith you in a multitude of ways, they don't always want to playwhatever game you're playing with that day but they will take notice.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141601"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141601" class="reply"><input name="1141601" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)03:55 <span id="norep1141601"><a href="#1141601" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141601')" class="quotejs">1141601</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141582" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141582');">&gt;&gt;1141582</a></font><br>Just keep lots of salt around. &gt;_&gt; lol<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141579" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141579');">&gt;&gt;1141579</a></font><br>Notreally, I have an open mind, believe what you want, only things hatpiss me off paranormal related are shit that affects me, the wholecharm of rachel getting me random idiots walking up asking if that "Wasthat Kabbalah thing" becuase Madonna wears one -really- pissed me off.<br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141563" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141563');">&gt;&gt;1141563</a></font><br>Whenare the bodily fluids of a virgin NOT handy, I mean, really now? (thisis a joke, while they have certain.. properties, there are things thatare easier to obtain that can be used in their place, please do not goout kidnapping virgin maidens to stockpile their fluids, they have muchbetter uses than fluid sources.)</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141609"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141609" class="reply"><input name="1141609" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Foliageman</span> <span class="postertrip">!9bfYKGaw4E</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:01 <span id="norep1141609"><a href="#1141609" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141609')" class="quotejs">1141609</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141597" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141597');">&gt;&gt;1141597</a></font><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141601" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141601');">&gt;&gt;1141601</a></font><br>Thank you both, regarding <a href="#1141582" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141582');">&gt;&gt;1141582</a><br><br>Atrisk of putting either of you off for the night, I would appreciateprivate contact at your leisure, with anything you think would help. Iwould like to know what I am doing before I cut a circle, smudge myroom and spend all the money on candles. &gt;_&gt;<br>Please, at your leisure, its my tripcode at gmail.<br>Thank you, again.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141633"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141633" class="reply"><input name="1141633" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:11 <span id="norep1141633"><a href="#1141633" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141633')" class="quotejs">1141633</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141609" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141609');">&gt;&gt;1141609</a></font><br>cuttingcircles smudging and candles sounds like youre moving distinctly awayfrom automatic writing and ouija light contact stuff into ceremonialand more involved rites, or are you just setting up protection of somekind?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141651"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141651" class="reply"><input name="1141651" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle">noko</span> <span class="commentpostername">Foliageman</span> <span class="postertrip">!9bfYKGaw4E</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:19 <span id="norep1141651"><a href="#1141651" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141651')" class="quotejs">1141651</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141633" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141633');">&gt;&gt;1141633</a></font><br>Actually, it was just a small joke.<br>: &gt;</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141721"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141721" class="reply"><input name="1141721" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:41 <span id="norep1141721"><a href="#1141721" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141721')" class="quotejs">1141721</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141651" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141651');">&gt;&gt;1141651</a></font><br>contact on the way</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141727"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141727" class="reply"><input name="1141727" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:44 <span id="norep1141727"><a href="#1141727" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141727')" class="quotejs">1141727</a></span><blockquote>Then if a girl did a ritual involving the blood/tears of a virgin, would she be able to use her own blood/tears?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141756"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141756" class="reply"><input name="1141756" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">The Watcher</span> <span class="postertrip">!qJglaZqtEM</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:55 <span id="norep1141756"><a href="#1141756" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141756')" class="quotejs">1141756</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141727" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141727');">&gt;&gt;1141727</a></font><br>notso much, the XXX of a virgin is often used in rituals where somethingextremely pure is required, untainted, that substitutes for that.. butthere are plenty of other things that fill the role just as well thatdon't involve killing a perfectly good virgin.<br><br>and to the otherguy -- I don't do personal contact, i've made too many annoyingrelationships in the past to do that, so anyone posing as me who sendsyou an email, isn't me.<br><br>and with that, I am taking a 30 minute nap, need to sleep little I guess -- if you need me, i'm.. usually around.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141758"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141758" class="reply"><input name="1141758" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)04:56 <span id="norep1141758"><a href="#1141758" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141758')" class="quotejs">1141758</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141651" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141651');">&gt;&gt;1141651</a></font><br><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141721" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141721');">&gt;&gt;1141721</a></font><br>sent</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141796"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141796" class="reply"><input name="1141796" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)05:11 <span id="norep1141796"><a href="#1141796" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141796')" class="quotejs">1141796</a></span><blockquote>Um, Watcher? I get a very bad aura when I visit this spiralnature site. What are they into?</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141915"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141915" class="reply"><input name="1141915" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)06:08 <span id="norep1141915"><a href="#1141915" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141915')" class="quotejs">1141915</a></span><blockquote>That wasn't the real watcher.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141926"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141926" class="reply"><input name="1141926" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)06:16 <span id="norep1141926"><a href="#1141926" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141926')" class="quotejs">1141926</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141796" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141796');">&gt;&gt;1141796</a></font><br>They're putting spirals into people's ears.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1141941"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1141941" class="reply"><input name="1141941" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)06:30 <span id="norep1141941"><a href="#1141941" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1141941')" class="quotejs">1141941</a></span><blockquote>A question for watcher/ anyone else with good info. <br><br>Poor little wiccan here, strong interest in magic, but wiccan sources only have so much to offer. <br> Thanks for the link to the spiral nature site. Would appreciate more links to places i can go to start broadening my knowledge.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142192"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142192" class="reply"><input name="1142192" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)10:56 <span id="norep1142192"><a href="#1142192" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142192')" class="quotejs">1142192</a></span><blockquote>turtles</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142210"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142210" class="reply"><input name="1142210" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)11:11 <span id="norep1142210"><a href="#1142210" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142210')" class="quotejs">1142210</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc">&gt;&gt;Ihave one thing to say about drugs: There are many gateways, some ofwhich are supposed to be walked through slowly, chemically ripping themopen is never a good idea.</font><br><br>Unless you have a history ofmental illness in your family, or lack the intelligence to note wherean entheogenic path is overwhelming other aspects of your lifepsychadelic drugs are completely harmless and non-addictive.<br><br>Youpresent a very simple minded way of thought regarding such things thatdisplay you have made an error in regards to the fundamental principleof what is described as 'chaos magic'. Of which that there are nodefinates and that which suits one might not suit others.<br><br>tl;dr Psychadelics are the cheat codes for spirituality.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142215"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142215" class="reply"><input name="1142215" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)11:17 <span id="norep1142215"><a href="#1142215" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142215')" class="quotejs">1142215</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141941" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141941');">&gt;&gt;1141941</a></font><br>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS302US303&amp;pwst=1&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=spell&amp;<br>;resnum=0&amp;ct=result&amp;cd=1&amp;q=hermetic+kabbalah&amp;spell=1<br>Thisis a great site, I strongly recommend you read the pdf. It won't teachyou magic tricks, but you will have an initial and clear idea where theWestern Esoteric Tradition comes from. In my opinion is a start to setthings straight and distance yourself from the fireball throwingD&amp;D crowd.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142217"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142217" class="reply"><input name="1142217" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)11:20 <span id="norep1142217"><a href="#1142217" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142217')" class="quotejs">1142217</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1142210" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1142210');">&gt;&gt;1142210</a></font><br>Whileall religions, including primitive Christianity (see John Allegro) useddrugs, I suggest people don't go there without guidance. And maturity.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142223"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142223" class="reply"><input name="1142223" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername"><a href="mailto:www.erowid.org" class="linkmail">Anonymous</a></span> 12/01/08(Mon)11:24 <span id="norep1142223"><a href="#1142223" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142223')" class="quotejs">1142223</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1142217" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1142217');">&gt;&gt;1142217</a></font><br><br>AndI would say the same about any spiritual path, to not the barriersbetween our accepted and comfortable reality without maturity andguidance. People have such an immediate close minded assumptionregarding drugs and it pains me to see what would normally be regardedas an open minded group of people shut out what I know to beexceptionally safe and harmless.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142227"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142227" class="reply"><input name="1142227" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername"><a href="mailto:sage" class="linkmail">Anonymous</a></span> 12/01/08(Mon)11:26 <span id="norep1142227"><a href="#1142227" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142227')" class="quotejs">1142227</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1142223" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1142223');">&gt;&gt;1142223</a></font><br><br>*not tread the</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142245"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142245" class="reply"><input name="1142245" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)11:33 <span id="norep1142245"><a href="#1142245" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142245')" class="quotejs">1142245</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1142223" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1142223');">&gt;&gt;1142223</a></font><br>Ourculture has lost the context that allows for a sane spirituality. Whyreligions don't work anymore? Because we lost the sense of community,both with nature and with our fellow humans. God is what is invoked,deities are communal/tribal deities that respond to particular need ofa group integrated with its environment. People drink ayahuasca andiboga or chew coca leaves with limestone inside the context of a veryspecific world view, the same way the Greeks took their entheogenicdrugs in the context of the Eleusian Mysteries. It is a long way forthe lonely Western man to go back in that path.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142413"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142413" class="reply"><input name="1142413" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)13:13 <span id="norep1142413"><a href="#1142413" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142413')" class="quotejs">1142413</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1141352" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1141352');">&gt;&gt;1141352</a></font><br><br>OP here. I'm interested in this.<br><br><font class="unkfunc">&gt;Idon't want to steal watchers thunder or anything but if anyone else isinterested in the opinion of someone whos been studying the occultbasically since they could read id be happy to help.</font><br><br>Wouldyou consider assigning yourself a tripcode, then coming back andsharing it here? If I or /x/ wanted to do a conversation like this withyou, it would be easier with one. Or, if you prefer, you could juststart your own thread and quote the post you wrote above, and takequestions directly. I'm sure many of us would be interested in hearingabout the fruits of your research, even if they consist entirely ofconclusions about what you have read.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142444"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142444" class="reply"><input name="1142444" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)13:32 <span id="norep1142444"><a href="#1142444" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142444')" class="quotejs">1142444</a></span><blockquote>ITT: Bunch of dickheads making shit up.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142459"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142459" class="reply"><input name="1142459" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)13:37 <span id="norep1142459"><a href="#1142459" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142459')" class="quotejs">1142459</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1142444" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1142444');">&gt;&gt;1142444</a></font><br><br>So, just like every single other thread on /x/ ever, then.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142476"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142476" class="reply"><input name="1142476" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">Anonymous</span> 12/01/08(Mon)13:44 <span id="norep1142476"><a href="#1142476" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142476')" class="quotejs">1142476</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1142459" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1142459');">&gt;&gt;1142459</a></font><br><br>&lt;3</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><a name="1142483"></a><table><tbody><tr><td class="doubledash" nowrap="nowrap">&gt;&gt;</td><td id="1142483" class="reply"><input name="1142483" value="delete" type="checkbox"><span class="replytitle"></span> <span class="commentpostername">B.O.O.</span> 12/01/08(Mon)13:47 <span id="norep1142483"><a href="#1142483" class="quotejs">No.</a><a href="javascript:quote('1142483')" class="quotejs">1142483</a></span><blockquote><font class="unkfunc"><a href="#1140749" class="quotelink" onclick="replyhl('1140749');">&gt;&gt;1140749</a></font><br>Youfucking liar. Angelic beings aren't like that at all! They do have adisdain for almost all of humanity because of our "morals" and such,but they won't smite you at the drop of a hat.</blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br clear="left"><hr><table align="right"><tbody><tr><td class="deletebuttons" align="center" nowrap="nowrap"><input name="mode" value="usrdel" type="hidden">Delete Post [<input class="checkbox" name="onlyimgdel" value="on" type="checkbox">File Only]<br>Password <input class="inputtext" name="pwd" size="8" maxlength="8" value="" type="password"><input value="Delete" type="submit"><input value="Report" onclick="var o=document.getElementsByTagName('INPUT');for(var i=0;i<o.length;i++)if(o[i].type=='checkbox' && o[i].checked && o[i].value=='delete') return reppop('http://bin.4chan.org/x/imgboard.php?mode=report&no='+o[i].name+'');" type="button"><script>document.delform.pwd.value=get_pass("4chan_pass");</script></td></tr><tr><td align="right">Style [<a href="#" onclick="setActiveStyleSheet('Yotsuba'); return false;">Yotsuba</a> | <a href="#" onclick="setActiveStyleSheet('Yotsuba B'); 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