Session Start: Sat Feb 02 18:15:22 2008
Session Ident: z3r0
04[18:15:30] <artwctp> congradukations
04[18:15:33] <artwctp> [18:13:16] <+theswellseason> I'm terrified of z3r0, so if he tells me not to talk about it, I'm not going to talk about it.
[18:15:42] <z3r0> wtf
[18:15:50] <z3r0> why are people terrified of me
04[18:15:54] <artwctp> hold on
[18:15:55] <z3r0> im A NICE GUY
04[18:15:58] <artwctp> lol
[18:16:07] <z3r0> i just play tetris
04[18:16:08] <artwctp> [18:12:27] <+theswellseason> jester: z3r0 didn't go apeshit on me, he very calmly warned me not to talk about certain things.
[18:16:23] <z3r0> Yes. i did
[18:16:28] <z3r0> but i was not scary
[18:16:30] <z3r0> i was nice
04[18:16:33] <artwctp> zero all i can say is, when you get past level 30 in tetris, people become afraid of you
[18:16:49] <z3r0> bah.. Im a regular old dude
04[18:17:01] <artwctp> lol
[18:17:16] <z3r0> to my friends i'm a NICE guy
[18:17:23] <z3r0> ask JZ
[18:17:24] <z3r0> :)
04[18:17:29] <artwctp> what about your enemies?
[18:17:36] <z3r0> im not so nice
[18:17:53] <z3r0> i dont know I guess I love the saying.
[18:18:01] <z3r0> "Walk softly carry a big stick"
[18:18:03] <z3r0> ;)
04[18:18:09] <artwctp> im confused about the whole ordeal
04[18:18:17] <artwctp> people always tell me not to piss zero off
[18:18:29] <z3r0> well.. with her.. she is close to several members
[18:18:33] <z3r0> i wanted to talk to her
[18:18:38] <z3r0> to find out where she is from
[18:18:39] <z3r0> so
[18:18:45] <z3r0> I had a chat with her
[18:18:51] <z3r0> it was friendly
[18:18:55] <z3r0> i was not mean
[18:18:59] <z3r0> ask anyone
[18:19:02] <z3r0> that was there
[18:19:05] <z3r0> it was pleasant
[18:19:08] <z3r0> she was NICE
04[18:19:13] <artwctp> well, what was the context of the convo? lol
04[18:19:32] <artwctp> you can be the nicest person on earth while talking about raping a dog
[18:19:41] <z3r0> I just told her that it would not be cool for her to reveal things that she may have been privy to
04[18:19:53] <artwctp> ohhhh
[18:19:55] <z3r0> and that I am a nice guy and dont make me be the bad guy
04[18:19:59] <artwctp> like personal stuff
[18:20:01] <z3r0> thats about all I said
[18:20:13] <z3r0> i mean i may have said some other stuff also
[18:20:17] <z3r0> i dont remember
[18:20:19] <z3r0> i was not mad
[18:20:22] <z3r0> or upset
[18:20:24] <z3r0> it was calm
[18:20:34] <z3r0> i just told her the way things are
[18:20:43] <z3r0> and not to fuck me over
04[18:20:58] <artwctp> well
[18:21:04] <z3r0> srs.. Im a nice guy as long as people are cool with me
04[18:21:16] <artwctp> i dont think she can fuck anyone over to begin with
[18:21:20] <z3r0> the three things that make me NOT a nice guy
[18:21:24] <z3r0> 1. Liars
[18:21:31] <z3r0> 2. Shit Talkers
[18:21:41] <z3r0> 3. backstabbers
[18:22:04] <z3r0> now on #2 the worst are people like carbon who talk shit and have NO way to back any of it up
04[18:22:06] <artwctp> well
[18:22:08] <z3r0> those are the worst
04[18:22:14] <artwctp> lol
[18:22:27] <z3r0> then you have people that ASSUME things while talking shit
[18:22:32] <z3r0> me
[18:22:37] <z3r0> I do my homework
[18:22:42] <z3r0> b4 opening my mouth
[18:22:58] <z3r0> If someone is a legit threat to MY network you better believe Im gonna walk a fine line
[18:23:03] <z3r0> sadly
[18:23:05] <z3r0> there is NO one
[18:23:16] <z3r0> on this network that fits that profile
[18:23:19] <z3r0> no offense
04[18:23:33] <artwctp> what?
[18:23:37] <z3r0> there have been a few
[18:23:39] <z3r0> imn here..
[18:23:41] <z3r0> and I know who they are
[18:23:48] <z3r0> and you better bet im gonna kiss ass
04[18:23:55] <artwctp> kick ass?
[18:24:04] <z3r0> cuz you know If I fear them you should as well
04[18:24:17] <artwctp> no i dont know that
[18:24:28] <z3r0> the liars thing is my number one pet peeve
[18:24:31] <z3r0> i hate liars
04[18:24:40] <artwctp> i really have no clue why i should "fear" certain people in here
[18:24:41] <z3r0> if i catch someone in a lie.. i will bury them
[18:24:46] <z3r0> well not today
[18:24:50] <z3r0> there is no one to fear
[18:24:51] <z3r0> well
[18:25:03] <z3r0> maybe some of the people in my channel
[18:25:06] <z3r0> but me?
[18:25:08] <z3r0> im a nice guy
[18:25:12] <z3r0> and ur chill with me
[18:25:18] <z3r0> :)
04[18:25:23] <artwctp> thanks, i guess
04[18:25:36] <artwctp> im going to keep drinking until everything makes sense though
[18:25:55] <z3r0> hmm all this makes sense to me
04[18:25:56] <artwctp> such as why i need to fear certain people
04[18:26:04] <artwctp> thats the main thing
[18:26:09] <z3r0> well you dont need to fear anything today
04[18:26:20] <artwctp> well what about in the past?
04[18:26:34] <artwctp> why did some people need to be "feered"
04[18:26:38] <artwctp> *feared
[18:26:50] <z3r0> becuase lets just say im middle managememnt in a bigger scene
[18:27:04] <z3r0> and there are indeed some VERY scary people out there
04[18:27:42] <artwctp> let me guess
[18:27:44] <z3r0> as long as people are chill with me there is no need to be scared of me
[18:27:49] <z3r0> im a nICE guy
04[18:27:57] <artwctp> telecom administrators who can turn off your internet?
[18:28:03] <z3r0> worse
[18:28:04] <z3r0> worse
[18:28:11] <z3r0> there are for worse than that
04[18:28:13] <artwctp> government employees?
[18:28:18] <z3r0> HAHAHAAH
[18:28:19] <z3r0> worse
04[18:28:26] <artwctp> the real hackers?
[18:28:32] <z3r0> umm..
[18:28:33] <z3r0> wait..
[18:28:35] <z3r0> hmmm
[18:28:37] <z3r0> uhhh
04[18:28:42] <artwctp> lol
[18:28:53] <z3r0> do you think I work for a telcom and that ENABLES me to turn of someones internet?
04[18:29:09] <artwctp> what? no that was a random example
[18:29:13] <z3r0> ok..
[18:29:14] <z3r0> wow
04[18:29:19] <artwctp> i know some members are bot hearders
[18:29:26] <z3r0> none in MY group
[18:29:28] <z3r0> BUT
[18:29:31] <z3r0> i will say
[18:29:33] <z3r0> the things
[18:29:36] <z3r0> we have access to
[18:29:42] <z3r0> and have seen
[18:29:48] <z3r0> would make you shit
04[18:29:50] <artwctp> SS database?
[18:29:52] <z3r0> and be VERY scared
[18:29:55] <z3r0> anyway..
[18:29:59] <z3r0> there are perhaps
[18:30:04] <z3r0> 15-25 people
[18:30:07] <z3r0> on the planet
[18:30:10] <z3r0> that are the elite
[18:30:12] <z3r0> of the elite
[18:30:16] <z3r0> and THOSE people
[18:30:18] <z3r0> i fear
[18:30:22] <z3r0> more than the feds
[18:30:26] <z3r0> or anyone else
[18:30:38] <z3r0> there are worse things than death
[18:30:43] <z3r0> remember that
04[18:30:51] <artwctp> those are the ones who can create criminal records?
[18:30:55] <z3r0> WORSE
04[18:31:05] <artwctp> death certificates?
[18:31:09] <z3r0> worse
04[18:31:15] <artwctp> ummm
[18:31:17] <z3r0> they can destroy your life
[18:31:24] <z3r0> lets just leave it at that
[18:31:48] <z3r0> while WE can really hurt someones life and perhaps make them VERY sorry.. these people can utterly ruin you
04[18:32:09] <artwctp> empty all your card from banks
[18:32:12] <z3r0> WORSE
04[18:32:15] <artwctp> erase your identity?
[18:32:18] <z3r0> yes
[18:32:20] <z3r0> and more
04[18:32:30] <artwctp> put you in a terrorist dbase?
[18:32:33] <z3r0> that too
[18:32:37] <z3r0> if they felt like it
04[18:32:51] <artwctp> but why?
[18:32:58] <z3r0> well obviously
[18:33:02] <z3r0> they dont do this
[18:33:04] <z3r0> all the time
[18:33:10] <z3r0> however the possability is there
[18:33:19] <z3r0> and that is why i respect and fear them
[18:33:26] <z3r0> others are clueless
[18:33:32] <z3r0> you know
[18:33:34] <z3r0> I envy you
[18:33:36] <z3r0> I do
04[18:33:42] <artwctp> ignorance is bliss?
[18:33:42] <z3r0> I envy alot of you
[18:33:44] <z3r0> YES
[18:33:48] <z3r0> sometimes
[18:33:49] <z3r0> I wish
[18:33:58] <z3r0> i never got into ANY of this
[18:34:07] <z3r0> i would sleep better at night
[18:34:09] <z3r0> and that is why
[18:34:12] <z3r0> at the end of 2008
[18:34:14] <z3r0> im gone
[18:34:17] <z3r0> retired
[18:34:20] <z3r0> DEAD
04[18:34:24] <artwctp> how long have you been in this?
[18:34:30] <z3r0> since 1992
04[18:34:36] <artwctp> well then
[18:34:53] <z3r0> My mentor is in prison.. and its time for me to pass MY torch to MY protege
04[18:35:07] <artwctp> what did he teach you?
[18:35:07] <z3r0> my padawan so to speak
[18:35:11] <z3r0> my mentor?
[18:35:16] <z3r0> LOTS
[18:35:22] <z3r0> taught me the power of information
[18:35:24] <z3r0> and how to get it
04[18:35:44] <artwctp> a life mentor?
[18:35:47] <z3r0> no
04[18:35:50] <artwctp> or computer menotr?
[18:35:53] <z3r0> yes
04[18:36:19] <artwctp> yeah i seem to be the only one within a 500 mile radius who knows just how unsecure everything is
04[18:36:33] <artwctp> i can imagine what he knows
[18:36:38] <z3r0> My mentor?
04[18:36:42] <artwctp> and ive only been stufying for 3 years
[18:36:45] <z3r0> he knows nothing now..
[18:36:48] <z3r0> hes in prison
[18:36:59] <z3r0> and the last thing he told me
[18:37:01] <z3r0> was
[18:37:16] <z3r0> "Dont Fail, do not make the same mistakes I made"
[18:37:32] <z3r0> ive had a good run
[18:37:41] <z3r0> 2008 will be my last year
[18:37:56] <z3r0> and my knoweldge and access will pass to my protege
[18:38:03] <z3r0> thats the way its always been
[18:38:22] <z3r0> ive been mentoring him since he was a child
[18:38:30] <z3r0> and now HE is ready
04[18:39:02] <artwctp> passing the torch
[18:39:05] <z3r0> yes
[18:39:11] <z3r0> it will be sad
[18:39:14] <z3r0> and JOYOUS
04[18:39:45] <artwctp> interesting
04[18:40:04] <artwctp> i thought goons was a collection of script kiddies only
[18:40:15] <z3r0> rofl
[18:40:18] <z3r0> good
[18:40:20] <z3r0> GOOD
[18:40:22] <z3r0> yes
[18:40:24] <z3r0> think that
[18:40:26] <z3r0> we lke that
[18:40:28] <z3r0> like*
04[18:40:32] <artwctp> haha
04[18:40:38] <artwctp> a little smug are we?
[18:40:45] <z3r0> not at all
[18:40:48] <z3r0> its just comical
[18:40:52] <z3r0> we LIKE that image
04[18:41:08] <artwctp> but that attracts a huge following if idiots...
04[18:41:11] <artwctp> *Of
[18:41:19] <z3r0> however, im sure you can find people that assumed that as well as later regretted it
[18:41:24] <z3r0> and*
[18:41:29] <z3r0> following?
[18:41:30] <z3r0> sure
[18:41:32] <z3r0> of morons
[18:41:34] <z3r0> BUT
[18:41:36] <z3r0> they are NOT members
[18:41:41] <z3r0> keep that in mind
04[18:41:45] <artwctp> ah
[18:41:52] <z3r0> becoming a member is a LONG grueling ordeal
[18:42:10] <z3r0> you will LOSE everything before ganing anything
[18:42:22] <z3r0> do you know we do FULL background checks on prospective members?
04[18:42:33] <artwctp> haha
04[18:42:44] <artwctp> keeps out the riftrafyt
04[18:42:48] <artwctp> *riftraft
[18:42:52] <z3r0> that they are examined at a pyschological level as well for profiling purposes
[18:43:01] <z3r0> yes odd and paranoid
[18:43:05] <z3r0> but for good reasons
04[18:43:09] <artwctp> well that can only be done in person
[18:43:22] <z3r0> not true
[18:43:31] <z3r0> you know what voice stress analyzers are?
04[18:43:37] <artwctp> ohhh you call them up
[18:43:40] <z3r0> you know there is software that does it
04[18:43:42] <artwctp> okay okay
[18:43:49] <z3r0> they dont even know its happening
[18:43:57] <z3r0> it could be a regular conversation
04[18:44:25] <artwctp> so just random phone calls are screened to determined thier baseline responses to normal, private, and other questions
[18:44:33] <z3r0> sure
[18:44:37] <z3r0> with the girls
[18:44:39] <z3r0> its even harder
[18:44:44] <z3r0> they must be broken
[18:44:50] <z3r0> we break them down
[18:45:05] <z3r0> ohh its not pleasant
04[18:45:13] <artwctp> emotionally?
[18:45:16] <z3r0> yes
[18:45:25] <z3r0> ask one of our ONLY full female members
[18:45:27] <z3r0> MILF
[18:45:30] <z3r0> she will tell you
[18:45:37] <z3r0> it was the worse thing she has ever gone thru
[18:46:16] <z3r0> is this convo between us or is this gonna be copypasta'd all over?
04[18:46:22] <artwctp> just me and you
[18:46:26] <z3r0> i value priv8 convos
[18:46:32] <z3r0> i would hope so
[18:46:33] <z3r0> :)
[18:46:38] <z3r0> remember..
[18:46:40] <z3r0> #3
[18:46:43] <z3r0> ;)
04[18:46:45] <artwctp> well i enjoy knowledge
[18:46:49] <z3r0> good
[18:46:52] <z3r0> you should
[18:46:59] <z3r0> knoweldge is POWER
[18:47:08] <z3r0> and the more you have the more power you have
04[18:47:29] <artwctp> i would hope sp
04[18:47:31] <artwctp> *so
04[18:47:44] <artwctp> since most people I meet are idiots and stay at dead-end jobs
[18:47:53] <z3r0> tru
[18:47:57] <z3r0> however
04[18:48:00] <artwctp> and never wonder what life is like down a different path
[18:48:05] <z3r0> you ever read Sun Tsu's art of war?
04[18:48:12] <artwctp> lol actually yes
[18:48:22] <z3r0> well we ask all members to read it
[18:48:25] <z3r0> they dont have to
[18:48:34] <z3r0> but its recommended
[18:48:50] <z3r0> what does Sun Tsu say about underestimating ones enemy?
04[18:48:53] <artwctp> good book
04[18:49:22] <artwctp> lol sizing the enemy up is the most important thing: you must never underestimate one's enemies
[18:49:35] <z3r0> and what does Sun Tsu say about making showing your enemy your tru strength?
[18:50:01] <z3r0> Pick your battles
[18:50:15] <z3r0> Lull your enemy into getting over confident
04[18:50:17] <artwctp> never show your true strength, force your enemy to show his
[18:50:23] <z3r0> CORRECT
[18:50:39] <z3r0> as I was saying..
[18:50:47] <z3r0> we LOVE being labeled dumb kids
[18:50:49] <z3r0> ;)
[18:50:59] <z3r0> so yes. we are all kiddies
[18:51:08] <z3r0> so just ddos
04[18:51:08] <artwctp> lol nice
04[18:51:32] <artwctp> but honestly who could enemies of knowledge be?
[18:51:33] <z3r0> make sense?
[18:51:41] <z3r0> Ahh
[18:51:47] <z3r0> everyone wants the knowledge
04[18:51:58] <artwctp> but not everyone knows how to get it
[18:52:05] <z3r0> people always wish to take what they have not earned
04[18:52:27] <artwctp> no one wants to work for something
04[18:52:29] <artwctp> err
04[18:52:31] <artwctp> yeah
[18:52:31] <z3r0> correct
[18:52:45] <z3r0> the knowledge can come in many forms
[18:52:49] <z3r0> it can be access
[18:52:52] <z3r0> code
[18:52:58] <z3r0> a exploit or 0day
[18:53:03] <z3r0> INFO on someone or something
[18:53:09] <z3r0> it has many forms
04[18:53:35] <artwctp> indeed
[18:53:40] <z3r0> Im considering writing a book
[18:53:47] <z3r0> i have some AMAZING tales
04[18:53:49] <artwctp> oh?
[18:53:52] <z3r0> sure
[18:53:59] <z3r0> things right out of movies
[18:54:13] <z3r0> there is a war going on right now
[18:54:16] <z3r0> did you know that?
04[18:54:20] <artwctp> which one?
[18:54:21] <z3r0> as we speak
[18:54:25] <z3r0> we are at war
[18:54:29] <z3r0> cyber war
04[18:54:33] <artwctp> anonymous? g00ns?
[18:54:35] <z3r0> no
[18:54:37] <z3r0> yes
[18:54:38] <z3r0> us
[18:54:40] <z3r0> not you
[18:54:41] <z3r0> or anon
04[18:54:45] <artwctp> against the regime?
[18:54:48] <z3r0> rofl
[18:54:50] <z3r0> they are a joke
04[18:54:52] <artwctp> lol i know
[18:54:52] <z3r0> and owned
[18:54:54] <z3r0> already
[18:55:05] <z3r0> that battle was over before it begabn
[18:55:08] <z3r0> began*
04[18:55:14] <artwctp> lol
04[18:55:26] <artwctp> but why are you at war? did they strike you?
[18:55:30] <z3r0> who?
[18:55:33] <z3r0> regime?
04[18:55:34] <artwctp> no
04[18:55:39] <artwctp> i know about that retardation
[18:55:48] <z3r0> we are at war with the system
[18:55:56] <z3r0> and we are not the only ones
[18:56:02] <z3r0> this is massive
[18:56:08] <z3r0> and its never ending
04[18:56:36] <artwctp> you mean goverment? socio-political theatres? censorship?
04[18:56:43] <artwctp> national strifes?
[18:56:50] <z3r0> Im talking about things higher
[18:56:56] <z3r0> how about culture
[18:56:59] <z3r0> the media
[18:57:01] <z3r0> society
04[18:57:03] <artwctp> oh the commercialization of the planet
[18:57:08] <z3r0> not that just that
[18:57:18] <z3r0> you ever hear of Project Mayhem?
04[18:57:28] <artwctp> spare me the fight club
[18:57:33] <z3r0> no..
[18:57:34] <z3r0> im srs
[18:57:49] <z3r0> pr0j3kt m4yh3m
04[18:57:50] <artwctp> the 'real' project mayhem?
04[18:57:55] <artwctp> nope
[18:58:00] <z3r0> look up some time
04[18:58:29] <artwctp> as we speak
[18:58:34] <z3r0> the "leetspeak" name is for giggles but the goals and aims are very SRS indeed
04[18:59:15] <artwctp> an anti-infosec movement?
[18:59:20] <z3r0> yes
[18:59:32] <z3r0> anti-full disclosure
[18:59:43] <z3r0> wow
[18:59:49] <z3r0> you never heard of any of this
[18:59:53] <z3r0> did you?
04[19:00:03] <artwctp> unfortunately no
[19:00:13] <z3r0> and you should prolly never speak of it
04[19:00:15] <artwctp> you see im still learning
[19:00:27] <z3r0> well learn all you want
[19:00:33] <z3r0> why not apply for membership
04[19:00:57] <artwctp> well i need to know what im getting into first
[19:01:02] <z3r0> read our
[19:01:04] <z3r0> app..
[19:01:06] <z3r0> here..
[19:01:47] <z3r0> So you want to join g00ns?
[19:01:47] <z3r0> This is the first step... reading this post. Answer these questions.
[19:01:47] <z3r0> Enter the corporations and the commercialization of our playground...
[19:01:48] <z3r0> With that came the ISP...
[19:01:48] <z3r0> And more than likely, with those two events: YOU CAME TO OUR WORLD.
[19:01:48] <z3r0> Were you on the internet before the ISP was born?
[19:01:48] <z3r0> If your access were removed tomorrow could you find your way back to our
[19:01:48] <z3r0> world without purchasing it? Without begging for it? Without having to read
[19:01:48] <z3r0> a pop up book or text file, could you do it?
[19:01:48] <z3r0> If the internet completely ceased to exist tomorrow, where would you go?
[19:01:48] <z3r0> Could you find us again? Do you know the way?
[19:01:48] <z3r0> Did you answer the question, or are you too busy insisting that you have
[19:01:48] <z3r0> earned your right to be here?
[19:01:48] <z3r0> * What is your raeson d'etre? *
[19:01:48] <z3r0> Are you a genuine seeker or do you merely want to be like us? To get the
[19:01:48] <z3r0> attention we get without trying?
[19:01:48] <z3r0> * Are you prepared to go all the way? *
[19:01:48] <z3r0> When your doors are being kicked down, when your beloved computers and
[19:01:49] <z3r0> assorted electronic equipment are being indexed and carried out your door by
[19:01:49] <z3r0> THE FEDS are you going to cry?
[19:01:49] <z3r0> Are you going to turn all your friends in? Friends that trusted you with
[19:01:49] <z3r0> information about them? Those that you spent your free time posturing in
[19:01:49] <z3r0> front of, bragging to, telling them that you were the real thing... Will you
[19:01:49] <z3r0> sell them out?
[19:01:49] <z3r0> Is the freedom of others worth all that? Is *your* freedom worth all that?
[19:01:49] <z3r0> To trade them both for a few moments of empty posturing?
[19:01:49] <z3r0> How do you feel about the statements or mindsets below?
[19:01:49] <z3r0> - kiss as much ass as possible as it may one day
[19:01:49] <z3r0> lead to employment.
[19:01:49] <z3r0> - turn over every exploit you are either given or
[19:01:49] <z3r0> discover on your own to security professionals
[19:01:49] <z3r0> and organizations such as CERT for kudos.
[19:01:49] <z3r0> - post all exploits, etc to newsgroups such as
[19:02:58] <z3r0> that is our base form
[19:03:13] <z3r0> depending on the answers to that
[19:03:20] <z3r0> you may be a trial member or not
[19:03:22] <z3r0> if you are
[19:03:27] <z3r0> its a long road ahead
[19:03:34] <z3r0> to become a probationary member
[19:03:39] <z3r0> then a long road to full membership
[19:03:43] <z3r0> be prepared to be abused
[19:03:50] <z3r0> broken down
[19:03:54] <z3r0> asked to shit tasks
[19:04:01] <z3r0> asked to prove your loyalty
04[19:04:03] <artwctp> what sort of tasks?
[19:04:16] <z3r0> what ever a member asks you to do
[19:04:25] <z3r0> it may be to scan shit
[19:04:31] <z3r0> it may be to look for a sploit
[19:04:35] <z3r0> it may be to make a call
[19:04:41] <z3r0> who knows
04[19:05:04] <artwctp> lol
04[19:05:21] <artwctp> wtf is infosec?
04[19:05:28] <artwctp> iis it this:
04[19:05:33] <artwctp> http://www.infosecinstitute.com/
[19:05:41] <z3r0> infosec is a belief
[19:05:46] <z3r0> its a mindset
[19:05:53] <z3r0> its a establishment
[19:06:00] <z3r0> we wish to destroy all that
04[19:06:17] <artwctp> what has that organization done to deserve destruction?
[19:06:33] <z3r0> its not a orginazation
[19:06:35] <z3r0> jesus
[19:06:39] <z3r0> its a BELIEF
[19:06:46] <z3r0> its whole culture
[19:06:55] <z3r0> it erodes YOUR freedoms
[19:07:04] <z3r0> it makes knowledge NOT free anymore
04[19:07:23] <artwctp> information-security?
[19:07:41] <z3r0> YES
[19:08:03] <z3r0> its a hoax
[19:08:05] <z3r0> its a lie
[19:08:15] <z3r0> its the biggest lie EVER to be spun
[19:08:21] <z3r0> its FAKE fear
[19:08:24] <z3r0> in order
[19:08:26] <z3r0> to make one thing
[19:08:27] <z3r0> MONEY
[19:08:31] <z3r0> its all about the dollars
[19:08:35] <z3r0> always the dollars
04[19:08:38] <artwctp> let me guess
04[19:09:02] <artwctp> trying to make companies believe thier information needs to be protected by these "ethical hackers"?
[19:09:06] <z3r0> YES
[19:09:07] <z3r0> and more
[19:09:10] <z3r0> scaring the public
[19:09:12] <z3r0> about hackers
[19:09:23] <z3r0> creating virus's
[19:09:25] <z3r0> trojans
[19:09:26] <z3r0> etc
[19:09:35] <z3r0> spreading them in order to instill fear
[19:10:00] <z3r0> PUBLISHING BUGS in order to reinforce the belief that the systems are insecure
[19:10:06] <z3r0> and they are NEEDED
[19:10:19] <z3r0> they are the fucking criminals
[19:10:21] <z3r0> NOT US
[19:10:23] <z3r0> THEM
04[19:10:42] <artwctp> well if every network was not secured, wouldn't all the information be free for any tom, dick, or harry to see?
[19:10:49] <z3r0> no
[19:10:53] <z3r0> thats just it
[19:10:57] <z3r0> it would not
[19:11:05] <z3r0> the publishing of this info
[19:11:10] <z3r0> MAKES the systems insecure
04[19:11:33] <artwctp> so http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/02/11/mbauer_1.html
04[19:11:42] <artwctp> would be a correct statement?
04[19:11:50] <artwctp> said I wasn't going to dwell on the specifics of this speech, outrageous though it was. But I'm sure that the gist of what he was saying, that is, that hackers are scum, resonated with some percentage of the audience, and that's the part I want to address here.
[19:12:31] <z3r0> sort of
[19:12:39] <z3r0> thats more of a specific speech
[19:12:44] <z3r0> and I have read that b4
[19:12:52] <z3r0> but your getting this sort of
04[19:13:15] <artwctp> so you guys are saying the whitehats are creating the vulerabilites?
04[19:13:25] <artwctp> in order to keep themselves employed?
[19:13:25] <z3r0> YES
[19:13:28] <z3r0> YES
04[19:13:41] <artwctp> oh
[19:13:52] <z3r0> and to create a atmosphere of FEAR
[19:13:57] <z3r0> its like the terrorism thing
04[19:14:31] <artwctp> lets not get started on why terrorists are winning
[19:14:36] <z3r0> no no
04[19:14:38] <artwctp> errr
[19:14:43] <z3r0> im talking about the constant state of fear
04[19:14:58] <artwctp> our government is succeeding in monitoring our every movement in order to calm the fear of terrorists
[19:15:03] <z3r0> no..
[19:15:06] <z3r0> they are creating the fear
04[19:15:20] <artwctp> well fear is a very powerful tool
[19:15:26] <z3r0> BINGO
[19:15:30] <z3r0> fear SELLS
[19:15:33] <z3r0> more than sex
[19:15:46] <z3r0> and if you wanted to sell alot of A/V's
[19:15:56] <z3r0> what better way than to scare the shit out of people
[19:16:01] <z3r0> are you getting me?
04[19:16:11] <artwctp> yeah i got this awhile ago
[19:16:14] <z3r0> ok
[19:16:18] <z3r0> now you understand
[19:16:24] <z3r0> and your eyes are a bit more open
04[19:16:28] <artwctp> lol
04[19:16:35] <artwctp> not really
[19:16:50] <z3r0> ok well than your a sheep
[19:16:54] <z3r0> like all the others
[19:16:59] <z3r0> just baaa baaa baaaing thru life
[19:17:17] <z3r0> ignorance is bliss indeed ;)
04[19:17:42] <artwctp> interesting how you assume that if i didn't learn from you, you assume i didn't know it already
[19:17:59] <z3r0> if you knew all this already you wouldnthave asked what infosec was
04[19:18:04] <artwctp> true, i didn't know the specific name of it
[19:18:19] <z3r0> if you even had to question the why
[19:18:26] <z3r0> then you didnt believe
[19:18:31] <z3r0> knowing is NOT believing
[19:18:42] <z3r0> i assume nothing friend
04[19:18:49] <artwctp> believing is up to the individual
04[19:18:58] <artwctp> you cannot force someone to believe something
04[19:19:11] <artwctp> they may say they do, but its up to them
[19:19:12] <z3r0> true but some people even when confronted with the truth choose the lie instead
[19:19:36] <z3r0> its hard to break past the brainwashing
[19:19:45] <z3r0> you have been brainwashed your whole life
[19:19:49] <z3r0> all of us have
04[19:19:56] <artwctp> about?
04[19:20:00] <artwctp> inb4 everything
[19:20:11] <z3r0> wow..
[19:20:17] <z3r0> popular culture
[19:20:21] <z3r0> who makes that?
04[19:20:25] <artwctp> seriously i know we have been taught certain things that are not true
04[19:20:31] <artwctp> flouride for example
04[19:20:36] <artwctp> pop culture too
04[19:20:50] <artwctp> other governments, other beliefs
[19:20:52] <z3r0> opular culture defines society
[19:21:00] <z3r0> who MAKES popular culture
04[19:21:13] <artwctp> good question
[19:21:18] <z3r0> well
[19:21:22] <z3r0> u want the answer?
04[19:21:26] <artwctp> sure
[19:21:29] <z3r0> Ill tell you
[19:21:38] <z3r0> its the entertainment industry
[19:21:42] <z3r0> and WHO makes them
04[19:21:56] <artwctp> the big labels
[19:22:00] <z3r0> BIG MEGA Corporations
[19:22:05] <z3r0> and who OWNS those
04[19:22:09] <artwctp> the banks
[19:22:16] <z3r0> the top 5 richest people in the world
[19:22:32] <z3r0> what you have is a Kabal
[19:22:34] <z3r0> yes
[19:22:36] <z3r0> a kabal
[19:22:52] <z3r0> You wanna see a example of the lie?
[19:22:56] <z3r0> or one lie
04[19:22:59] <artwctp> sure
[19:23:05] <z3r0> read about the diamond hoax
[19:23:11] <z3r0> this is the BIGGEST lie
[19:23:12] <z3r0> ever
[19:23:14] <z3r0> ever
[19:23:18] <z3r0> diamonds
[19:23:21] <z3r0> are worth NOTHING
[19:23:24] <z3r0> did you know that?
[19:23:35] <z3r0> they are more plentiful then you think
[19:23:44] <z3r0> their value is inflated
[19:23:47] <z3r0> by who?
04[19:23:49] <artwctp> well they are in the crust and mantle like shit
[19:23:55] <z3r0> DeBeers
[19:23:59] <z3r0> the diamond cartels
[19:24:11] <z3r0> did you know that diamonds being used as jewlwey
[19:24:14] <z3r0> was NOT done
[19:24:15] <z3r0> until
[19:24:18] <z3r0> about the 1920's
[19:24:29] <z3r0> why?
[19:24:41] <z3r0> well because they were worthless
[19:24:45] <z3r0> and people knew it
[19:25:01] <z3r0> enter the greatest advertising campaign EVER
04[19:25:13] <artwctp> a diamond is forever
[19:25:20] <z3r0> BINGO
[19:25:36] <z3r0> now here is something else..
04[19:25:39] <artwctp> yeah, lol why do you think that everyone has a PC nowadays?
04[19:25:44] <artwctp> and a cellphone
[19:25:46] <z3r0> of course
[19:25:50] <z3r0> thats not it..
[19:25:52] <z3r0> also
[19:25:54] <z3r0> there is more
[19:25:56] <z3r0> your taught
[19:25:58] <z3r0> programmed
[19:26:00] <z3r0> to think
[19:26:02] <z3r0> whats pretty
[19:26:04] <z3r0> and whats not
[19:26:08] <z3r0> whats hot
[19:26:10] <z3r0> and whats not
04[19:26:25] <artwctp> well some of that is biological
[19:26:29] <z3r0> yes..
[19:26:33] <z3r0> the rest is programmed.
[19:26:41] <z3r0> you ever been attracted to someone
[19:26:45] <z3r0> and then ashamed
[19:26:46] <z3r0> you were
[19:26:48] <z3r0> ?
[19:26:49] <z3r0> meaning
[19:26:54] <z3r0> you would never take her in public
[19:26:56] <z3r0> IF
[19:27:00] <z3r0> you did hook up?
04[19:27:24] <artwctp> no, but there are reasons why which don't correlate to your example
04[19:27:32] <artwctp> but i get the point
04[19:27:48] <artwctp> the reason you feel that was is because of popular interest
[19:27:54] <z3r0> CORRECT
[19:28:00] <z3r0> and what makes that?
[19:28:07] <z3r0> popular culture
[19:28:10] <z3r0> etc etc
[19:28:12] <z3r0> and so on
[19:28:20] <z3r0> its one more way to control people
[19:28:28] <z3r0> religion is a tool
[19:28:29] <z3r0> also
[19:28:34] <z3r0> to control
[19:28:43] <z3r0> people always want to control others
[19:28:51] <z3r0> its been that way since time eternal
04[19:29:35] <artwctp> yeah
[19:29:41] <z3r0> what did you mean
[19:29:43] <z3r0> earlier..
[19:29:46] <z3r0> are you a girl?
[19:29:48] <z3r0> or gay?
04[19:29:53] <artwctp> neither
[19:29:58] <z3r0> ok..
[19:30:01] <z3r0> then ya lost me
04[19:30:13] <artwctp> dont worry about it
04[19:30:21] <artwctp> its nothing important
[19:30:27] <z3r0> are you in a wheel chair?
[19:30:32] <z3r0> i dont judge
[19:30:33] <z3r0> so
[19:30:35] <z3r0> ;)
04[19:30:41] <artwctp> ?
04[19:30:43] <artwctp> oh no
[19:30:53] <z3r0> i mean i dont judge people
04[19:31:03] <artwctp> i just have a very different outlook on humanity than most
[19:31:12] <z3r0> ok are you a canjibal?
[19:31:15] <z3r0> cannibal?
[19:31:19] <z3r0> asexual?
04[19:31:29] <artwctp> neither
04[19:31:39] <artwctp> although asexual would be a welcome relief
[19:31:52] <z3r0> hmm..
[19:31:59] <z3r0> do you think we are all doomed?
04[19:32:06] <artwctp> doomed?
[19:32:10] <z3r0> yes
[19:32:12] <z3r0> doomed
04[19:32:14] <artwctp> uhh
[19:32:16] <z3r0> humanity
[19:32:35] <z3r0> do you think we have reached our peak
[19:32:39] <z3r0> and the rest is downhill
04[19:32:39] <artwctp> oh, i don't know about that. I know specied eventually have to go beyond thier ecological limits or die
04[19:32:46] <artwctp> *species
[19:32:48] <z3r0> tru
[19:32:51] <z3r0> adapt
[19:32:52] <z3r0> or die
[19:33:08] <z3r0> thats natural selection
[19:33:11] <z3r0> at its finest
04[19:33:15] <artwctp> well
[19:33:31] <z3r0> I can tell
[19:33:35] <z3r0> your "older"
[19:33:40] <z3r0> than 15-16
[19:33:42] <z3r0> correct?
04[19:33:49] <artwctp> good assumption
[19:33:59] <z3r0> your educcated
[19:34:02] <z3r0> bah
[19:34:07] <z3r0> educated*
04[19:34:43] <artwctp> well i wont claim anything special
04[19:34:49] <artwctp> but i try to learn
[19:34:55] <z3r0> hmm...
[19:34:59] <z3r0> your artistic
[19:35:01] <z3r0> ?
04[19:35:12] <artwctp> no
04[19:35:17] <artwctp> art is a waste of time
[19:35:25] <z3r0> who said anything about art
[19:35:34] <z3r0> artisitc can be applied to lots of things
[19:35:41] <z3r0> i guess a better word
[19:35:43] <z3r0> would be creative
[19:36:14] <z3r0> are you angry?
[19:36:22] <z3r0> not at me
[19:36:27] <z3r0> in general
04[19:37:02] <artwctp> well i can get pissed off at times
[19:37:08] <z3r0> not what I asked
[19:37:12] <z3r0> i asked if you are angry
04[19:37:20] <artwctp> at the world, people, etc?
[19:37:28] <z3r0> at anything
04[19:37:37] <artwctp> no, not really
[19:37:42] <z3r0> do you have alot of friends?
04[19:38:03] <artwctp> enough
[19:38:10] <z3r0> good answer
[19:38:17] <z3r0> are they really your friends?
04[19:38:48] <artwctp> my definition of friends? no, i dont think there exists such people. But in thier minds, yes.
[19:38:58] <z3r0> thought so
[19:39:07] <z3r0> there DO exist such people
[19:39:13] <z3r0> you just have not found them
[19:39:18] <z3r0> or they have not found you
[19:39:25] <z3r0> or maybe they have
04[19:39:58] <artwctp> perhaps
[19:40:05] <z3r0> I often wonder about people that choose to use proper grammar and punctuation on the internet
[19:40:15] <z3r0> it says alot about a person
04[19:41:02] <artwctp> I usually assume they are used to typing research papers, or are not used to the insanity of the internet.
[19:41:17] <z3r0> could be
[19:41:25] <z3r0> usually it indicates a very serious person
[19:41:31] <z3r0> thoughtful
[19:41:34] <z3r0> but serious
[19:41:39] <z3r0> dangerous people indeed
04[19:42:12] <artwctp> I hope I never use what I know to hurt people...
04[19:42:27] <artwctp> Never have, and I never want to.
[19:42:29] <z3r0> and what do you know
04[19:43:15] <artwctp> Well I don't have a fortae exactly, but I'm learning more everyday
[19:43:36] <z3r0> learning what exactly
04[19:43:42] <artwctp> ?
[19:43:53] <z3r0> I mean do you have a specific interest
04[19:43:55] <artwctp> Oh well something about everything.
[19:44:00] <z3r0> Ahhh
[19:44:08] <z3r0> I like to place myself in that category as weel
[19:44:09] <z3r0> well*
[19:44:22] <z3r0> I like to belive I know a bit about everything.
04[19:44:31] <artwctp> You can't learn everything about something... so i figure I might as well learn something about everything.
[19:44:39] <z3r0> Indeed
[19:44:45] <z3r0> I have been that way since I was little
[19:44:56] <z3r0> i always wanted to know how things worked
[19:45:04] <z3r0> and not just devices
[19:45:23] <z3r0> i am a notorious seeker and question asker
04[19:45:53] <artwctp> The best way to learn is to ask.
[19:46:44] <z3r0> Correct
[19:47:05] <z3r0> and that is who I choose to align myself with
[19:47:08] <z3r0> seekers
04[19:49:55] <artwctp> heh
04[19:50:02] <artwctp> never thought of it that way
[19:51:04] <z3r0> sorry.. drama atm
[19:51:05] <z3r0> brb
04[19:51:09] <artwctp> alright
04[19:51:19] <artwctp> well i have to go, good talking with you
04[19:51:23] <artwctp> see you around.
Session Close: Sat Feb 02 19:51:28 2008