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[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:12:37] <Sgeo> hi ais523
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:12:42] <ais523> hi
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:04] <ais523> I'm allowed to say that, right? I haven't read the rules yet, I hope they aren't Mao-style
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:33] <Sgeo> No speech restricting rules that I know of
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[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:45] <Sgeo> hi oklopol
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:48] <ehird> I got rid of the managing script I wrote a minute ago.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:49] <Sgeo> hiehird
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:49] <ais523> no, there aren't, that's a relief
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:13:54] <ehird> I can rewrite it if anyone has a PHP host.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:14:13] <Sgeo> The pastebin won't load for me
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:14:55] <ais523> ehird: my laptop can do that, but it isn't always-on and it's behind a firewall I'm not allowed to configure that blocks all ports from external connectoins to them AFAIK
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:15:16] <ehird> ais523: Then that is quite unhelpful
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:15:19] <ehird> I can set up a server I guess.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:15:33] <ehird> Ah wait, if I do it, I can just write it quickly in Python.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:15:35] <ehird> Coolio.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:15:42] <ais523> Sgeo: join ircnomic-flood and I'll send you the rules over IRC
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:15:51] <ais523> s/ircnomic-flood/ #ircnomic-flood /
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:16:19] <ais523> that is, according to the pastebin
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:16:25] <ais523> I won't do it here because that would be flooding
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:17:12] <ehird> wel
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:17:17] <ehird> i am about to move it to a web interface
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:17:19] <ehird> so i see little point
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:17:19] <ehird> :-)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:22:57] <Sgeo> I want to note that negative rules just require 3 proposals, which could presumably be done at once
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:23:06] <Sgeo> (re: kyevan's proposals)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:23:27] <ais523> kyevan's look good, there are a couple of extra rules which would likely be needed as well for sanity
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:23:29] <Sgeo> Instead of being a safeguard for rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:23:31] <ais523> in the negatives, that is
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:23:58] <ais523> should we wait for ehird's web interface first?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:02] <Sgeo> It would be little extra effort to change a negative rule, just 50%+1 of the vote
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:06] <ehird> most likely, i'm almost done
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:10] <ehird> ais523: though my interface will be basic
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:12] <ehird> to start with
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:16] <ais523> ehird: that's fine
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:17] <ehird> it'll just be for the game manager
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:20] <ehird> to edit/delete/add
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:24] <ehird> voting would be handled here
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:29] <ehird> it would just be a viewing & password-editing interface
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:33] <ais523> I went and wrote a Perl/mySQL login and create account, just for practice
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:41] <ais523> but it isn't running anywhere but localhost
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:24:51] <ais523> it does do hashed and salted passwords, though
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:31:17] <Sgeo> http://blog.slepp.ca/2008/02/26/automated-pastebin-post-removal/ oO
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:31:43] <ehird> Sgeo: Hahaha what
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:32:06] * ehird goes and does that to all the pastes up
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:32:41] <ehird> Sgeo: I just deleted a post!
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:32:41] <ehird> Fun
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:32:42] <Sgeo> There's a set limit a day.. although that can probably be worked around
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:33:36] <Sgeo> What's the point? Ability to remove pastes with personal information?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:34:57] <ehird> Sgeo: Probably, yeah
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:35:25] <Sgeo> At first I thought it was to remove spam posts, which would be an amazing WTF
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:35:48] <ais523> Sgeo: why?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:36:33] <Sgeo> ais523, if you're going to CAPTCHA removals, and rely on people to remove spam, why not CAPTCHA posts instead, and not give random people the ability to remove posts?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:36:41] <ais523> OK
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:37:08] <ais523> I missed the CAPTtttCaHA thing
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:38:55] <ehird> CAPTtttCaHA
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:39:07] <Sgeo> Although the site provides APIs, which would not go well with a CAPTCHA, I guess
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:43:53] <ehird> Okay.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:43:55] <ehird> I should have it working.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:44:34] <ais523> ehird: link?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:44:41] <ehird> ais523: Almost.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:44:43] <ais523> BTW, I noticed the C-INTERCAL mirrors on eso-std.org
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:45:09] <ehird> ais523: That just mirrors elliotthird.org
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:45:11] <ehird> Right now
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:45:12] <ehird> :-)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:45:14] <ais523> ah
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:45:31] <ehird> which is why the ridiculous front page is the same
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:53:34] <ehird> OKAY
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:53:39] Topic ehird sets the channel topic to "Sine, but turn left before the bathroom. | Rules at http://91.105.122.127/".
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:55:41] <ehird> Okay
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:55:44] <ehird> it went down
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:55:45] <ehird> but it's back up
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:55:59] <ehird> Sgeo: kyevan: Check it out.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:00] <ehird> :P
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:03] <ais523> empty yet
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:14] <ehird> yes
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:18] <ais523> should I import the rules from the paste that was hear earlier?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:20] <ehird> ais523: try importing the rules from the pastebin
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:21] <ehird> yeah
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:32] <ais523> two people other than me agree, and I will
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:42] <ehird> oh sheesh
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:43] <ehird> :)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:49] <ehird> Sgeo: kyevan: Say yes.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:56:56] <Sgeo> yes
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:57:12] <ais523> OK
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:57:47] <ehird> ais523: Note that if you remove rule 3,
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:57:50] <ehird> every rule after it will shift up a number.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:57:56] <ehird> also
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:57:58] <ehird> don't include "Rule 1:"
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:58:00] <ehird> the system does that for you
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:58:07] <ais523> you didn't tell me...
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:58:12] <ehird> fixed for you
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:58:12] <ehird> ;)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:58:56] <ehird> Rule 3 will be hard to transcribe!
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:59:15] <ehird> ais523: also, html is allowed in rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:59:17] <ehird> just incase that's helpful :P
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:59:22] <Sgeo> Wait, are all these rules integer numbers?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:59:26] <Sgeo> That's not in the rules!
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:59:32] <ais523> this means I can put <script> tags there if I like
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [17:59:43] <ais523> but I'm not going to unless I think of a sufficiently impressive use for them
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:10] <Sgeo> ehird, what if we want a rule 1.5?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:10] <ehird> ais523: Use <blink>
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:29] <ehird> This rule does <blink>not</blink> exist.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:33] <ehird> Sgeo: I can add that, I guess.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:36] <ehird> Sub-rules.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:44] <ehird> But not now
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:55] <ehird> (Note that this website seems to make any numbering impossible at the moment.)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:00:56] <ehird> cheeky
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:01:18] <Sgeo> So kyevan's proposals will have to wait?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:02:08] <ais523> Sgeo: maybe not, if I can figure out the right HTML for them
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:02:17] <ehird> What did kyevan propose?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:02:27] <ais523> ehird: join #ircnomic-flood and I'll tell you
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:06:54] <Sgeo> If kyevan's proposals pass, I submit a new proposal: Any proposal that changes the numbering of a rule or rules requires twice as many FOR votes as non-FOR votes.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:07:10] <Sgeo> Then a proposal to make that rule number -997
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:08:06] <ais523> If and only if kyevan's proposals pass, I vote FOR both of Sgeo's proposals, but for the second one before the first one
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:08:28] * Sgeo votes FOR both proposals
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:08:37] <Sgeo> (if kyevan's proposals pass)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:09:51] <Sgeo> Another proposal: The submitter of a proposal is automatically considered to vote FOR that proposal, unless the submitter says otherwise.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:09:55] <Sgeo> I vote FOR this proposal.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:11:11] <Sgeo> BTW, I'm not voting for kyevan's proposals until "present" is defined.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:11:18] * ais523 votes FOR all proposals Sgeo has made since I joined this channel, although this doesn't automatically extend into the future
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:12:34] <Sgeo> actually, proposals either pass or fail 15min after being proposed, and since we still haven't voted for kyevan's proposals..
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:12:49] <ais523> it fails unless at least one person supports it
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:12:51] <ais523> as it's on majority
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:12:56] <ais523> and a tie = fail
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:12:59] <ais523> according to the current rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:13:06] <ais523> which have disappeared again, apparently
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:13:36] <Sgeo> kyevan's proposals haven't been put up to vote yet
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:14:11] <ais523> yes they have
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:14:18] <ais523> they were up for vote the moment they were submitted
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:14:24] <ais523> if you don't like that, change the rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:14:55] <Sgeo> So what's the status?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:15:24] <Sgeo> I vote AGAINST the proposal for rule -999. I will vote FOR such a rule only when "present" is defined.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:15:33] <Sgeo> I vote FOR the other of kyevan's proposals.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:16:17] <Sgeo> (actually, against -1000 for reasons ihope stated)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:16:19] <Sgeo> too
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:16:42] * ais523 proposes that all rule proposals and votes should be done with CTCP ACTION messages in this channel
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:16:47] <ais523> to make them stand out, you see
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:17:35] <Sgeo> AGAINST. I propose that voting take place in another channel
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:17:46] <Sgeo> #ircnomic-voting
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:06] <ais523> and proposals there too?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:26] <Sgeo> Proposals in here, voting on proposals in there
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:37] <ehird> OKAY
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:38] <ehird> WAUT
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:39] <ehird> WAIT
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:41] <ehird> Sgeo: err
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:42] <ais523> incidentally, I thought that IRC might be a good place for games of Mafia
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:42] <ehird> that sucks
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:54] <ais523> two channels, one for the mafia to communicate, one for everyone to communicate
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:18:58] <ehird> Sgeo: not high traffic enough to warrant it
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:03] <ehird> ais523: Anyway, rules are back up and ID-ified.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:06] <Sgeo> Did my autovoting rule pass?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:07] <ehird> I repeat - RULES NOW WORK
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:14] <ais523> the narrator is opped, the living players are voiced
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:15] <ehird> ais523: Sorry that they're all gone though
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:30] <ais523> has the game started yet, anyway?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:37] <ehird> yes
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:45] <ehird> ais523 should be importing all the rules now... hint hint
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:48] <ais523> I'll add the rules that were there then
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:51] <ehird> also: only integer rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:54] <ehird> but ... negative ones and such
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:19:56] <ais523> someone else figure out which other rules passed in the meantime
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:20:12] <ehird> Sgeo can do that ;)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:20:17] <Sgeo> I'm still not sure on the status of kyevan's proposals though
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:21:29] <Sgeo> Everything (besides?) those are still up for vote
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:21:50] <Sgeo> My conditional proposals are almost up
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:21:59] <ehird> ooh, here's an idea (after we've done this)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:10] <ais523> the original 8 are there now
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:20] <ehird> a nomic game where we create the rules to specify a turing-complete programming language
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:26] <ehird> So, proposals are programs
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:26] <ais523> Sgeo: you haven't made your conditional proposals, because they were conditional and the conditions weren't met
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:34] <ehird> and working out if they are accepted is equivilent to running a program in a TC language
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:36] <ais523> ehird: we can steer the rules in that direction if you like
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:40] <Sgeo> ais523, ok
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:43] <ehird> ais523: nah, let's try it normally for now
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:22:55] <ais523> ehird: we're mostly esolangers, so it'll likely end up like that anyway
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:09] <Sgeo> were kyevan's proposals ever formally presented?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:18] <ehird> ais523: by the way, is the admin interface all intuitive and elegant? ;)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:19] <ais523> not sure, I wasn't here at the time
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:23] <ais523> ehird: pretty intuitive
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:28] <ehird> I guess re-entering passcodes must be a bit annoying.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:34] <Sgeo> He phrased it <kyevan> At some point in the future, when at least three people are present, I think a few new rules should be proposed (in this order): Rule -1000: You must follow the rules. Rule -999: There must be at least three people present for any action to take place. Rule -988: No new rule may be created with a number less than 1
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:34] <ais523> ehird: actually it isn't
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:34] <ehird> But I don't want to go and add cookie stuff.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:37] <ais523> it feels a bit like sudo
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:41] <ehird> sudo has a timeout
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:47] <ais523> ehird: yes, but I'm really slow
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:23:57] <ehird> but yeah, i was trying to make it feel like a command-line interface admin
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:24:07] <Sgeo> "At some point in the future"
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:24:37] <ais523> he didn't say he was proposing
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:24:48] <ais523> he just said he thought the rules should be proposed
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:24:51] <ehird> ais523: the whole application is about 161 lines in total
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:24:58] <ais523> therefore, I propose the following rules:
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:01] <ais523> Rule -1000: You must follow the rules.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:02] <ehird> that is, i can go 'python2.5 ircnomic.py' and the server actually starts
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:18] <ehird> 33 lines is the imports, and the functions to do with he actual rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:36] <ehird> about 38 lines of the web controllers
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:37] <ais523> Rule -999: There must be at least three people present for any action to take place, where 'present' is defined as 'in the channel #ircnomic and not marked as AWAY or with |away in their nick'.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:44] <ais523> Rule -988: No new rule may be created with a number less than 1
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:52] <Sgeo> AGAINST -1000, said rule is implied anyway
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:55] <ehird> the templates are about 10 lines shoter than the controllers
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:25:57] <Sgeo> FOR -999
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:01] <ais523> FOR -999
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:02] <Sgeo> FOR -988
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:06] <ehird> and all the rest is cruft defining the urls, a WSGI application creating the Request and Responses etc
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:07] <ais523> AGAINST -1000
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:07] <ehird> and err
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:10] <ais523> FOR -988
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:14] <ehird> AGAINST -988
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:16] * Sgeo is going to need to be careful with setting away now
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:23] <ais523> ehird: why?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:28] <ehird> FOR -1000, it's funny
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:30] <ais523> you can move rules to that number, just not create them there
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:34] <ehird> well, actually AGAINST
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:36] <ehird> it's a bit pointless
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:43] <ehird> AGAINST -988, they're fun
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:49] <Sgeo> -1000 fails in a landslide
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:51] <ais523> ehird: it's the immutable rule thing
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:52] <ehird> err wait
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:53] <ehird> I meant
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:55] <ehird> AGAINST -999
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:26:57] <ais523> it's to avoid corruption of the main rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:01] <ehird> it'll never happen
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:06] <ehird> also, still AGAIN -988: it's fun.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:24] <Sgeo> 2 FOR -999, 1 AGAINST -999
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:29] <ehird> also i spent too much time implementing the hashtable stuff
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:29] <Sgeo> current status
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:34] <ehird> it would be a waste
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:34] <ehird> ;)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:41] <Sgeo> ehird, rules can be moved
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:42] <ais523> ehird: we fully intend to move rules into the negatives
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:27:47] <ehird> sure, but still...
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:28:20] <Sgeo> I proposed a rule protecting rule number changes, now we need to both protect changes and creations?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:28:55] <ehird> protecting rule number changse?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:28:55] <ehird> nooo!
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:28:57] <ehird> i implemented that!
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:00] <ais523> Proposal: Rule #5000: When this rule is created, its number becomes -5000, then it and rules 2, 3, and 4 are deleted
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:13] <ais523> FOR that proposal, by the way
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:14] <Sgeo> "The submitter of a proposal is automatically considered to vote FOR that proposal, unless the submitter says otherwise." PASSED with 2 votes
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:23] <ehird> ais523: AGAINST, I love those rules
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:23] <ais523> Sgeo: did you give an explicit number?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:38] <Sgeo> numbering can be implied
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:40] <ais523> if not, rule 6 causes it to be numbered 9
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:29:46] <ais523> I was asking for the record
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:30:18] <Sgeo> AGAINST 5000
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:30:19] <ais523> no automatic number, so this is a new rule 9
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:30:30] <ais523> 9's been officially added
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:30:44] <ais523> ok, but rules 2, 3, and 4 seem a bit hard to enforce in a logical manner
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:31:14] <ehird> ais523: Of course
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:31:17] <ehird> That's why I proposed them
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:31:23] <ehird> Well, ihope proposed 3
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:31:48] <ais523> AGAINST the rule that mentioned ircnomic-voting
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:31:58] <Sgeo> So far, -999, submitted at [13:23:49] has 2 FOR, 1 AGAINST, correct?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:32:04] <ehird> Sgeo: I think so.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:32:10] <ais523> yes
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:32:21] <Sgeo> same status for -988?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:32:26] * ehird bribes people into joining and voting AGAINST -999
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:32:36] <ais523> Sgeo: yes, 2 for, 1 against
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:33:13] Join ais523_ has joined this channel (n=ais523_@ar01-fap04.bham.ac.uk).
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:33:29] <ais523_> FOR -999 and -988
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:33:41] <ehird> Low, ais523_. Low.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:33:41] <Sgeo> all 3 against -1000?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:33:51] <ais523_> Proposal: Duplicate votes should not be counted if they appear to come from the same user.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:33:57] <ehird> FOR that thing.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:03] <ais523> it's such an obvious security hole
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:09] <Sgeo> For the duplicate votes proposal
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:12] <Sgeo> FOR
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:16] <ehird> FOR
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:19] <ehird> FOR AGAIN
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:21] <ais523> FOR
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:24] <ehird> ais523_: Vote FOR! ;)
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:40] <ais523_> I don't need to due to rule 9
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:49] <Sgeo> ais523, what about kyevan's rule -1001?
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:34:59] <ais523> that wasn't kyevan's, but yours
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:35:02] <ais523> you can propose it if you like
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:35:12] <Sgeo> <ais523> [17:19] <Sgeo> <kyevan> before -1000, propose Rule -1001: Negative rules may not be changed without first being changed to having a positive number.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:35:20] <ais523> oh, it was kyevan's
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:35:38] <ais523> well, somebody else can propose that so that I don't get all the points for kyevan's rules due to wording sloppiness
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:35:38] <Sgeo> Rule -1001: Negative rules may not be changed without first being changed to having a positive number.
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:35:51] <ais523> FOR -1001
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:36:01] <Sgeo> FOR -1001, for the record
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:36:07] <ais523> Sgeo: but you've already added rule 9
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:36:19] <ais523_> AGAINST -1001
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:36:28] <ais523> bad sockpuppet! Bad!
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:36:37] <ais523_> ABSTAIN wrt -1001
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:36:40] <ais523> better...
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:37:12] <ehird> AGAINST -1001
[Mon Apr 21 2008] [18:37:18] <Sgeo> New proposal: If a proposal comes from one person, and later is resubmitted by another for whatever reason, the points go to the original author