(09:52:42 AM) SalemFuchs: when you come back i need to talk o you regarding kitsuhana
(09:52:42 AM) Alynna <AUTO-REPLY> : I'm not here right now
(09:53:10 AM) Alynna: ok almost back
(09:54:58 AM) SalemFuchs: go ahead and reopen it then. as much as i'd like to pursue my project, i just don't have enough time for it right now. i'm already responsible for 3 other servers currently, and real life. i think spending time with my girlfriend and working is more important than running a forum that provides no revenue.
(09:55:23 AM) SalemFuchs: you may go ahead and open it but remember the conditions we spoke about when it closed and when i opened this one
(09:55:39 AM) SalemFuchs: i'll rejoin. but i expect improvements
(09:55:56 AM) Alynna: i'll go as far as to say this.
(09:56:26 AM) Alynna: If I can get an expectation and a promise from you to contain your vitriol..
(09:56:42 AM) Alynna: I will consider you to be a moderator.
(09:56:56 AM) SalemFuchs: i need something more specific than that please?
(09:57:14 AM) SalemFuchs: define 'vitriol' in your terms
(09:57:33 AM) Alynna: What you have to remember is some of these people are not kitsune, others are trying to figure out what they are, and others are and do not know or understand it..
(09:58:06 AM) Alynna: You, need to be patient with them.
(09:58:29 AM) Alynna: however at the same time, none of us should tolerate BS.
(09:58:30 AM) SalemFuchs: before i accept your terms i need you to accept mine as well
(10:10:10 AM) SalemFuchs:
- there should be an announcement of 0 tolerance for bs (blind [illogical] claims without data to back it up, yes even spiritual claims, and yes, they _can_ be [logically] explained). make it clear all claims must be backed up either by proof or by logic. if it cannot be backed up, then ask not to post it. or to post it in the bs forum, below.
- there should be 1 board made specifically for posting bs (and it must be clearly stated so that bs will be within). posts made in other forums that are bs will be moved to that forum, where the discussions may continue, without intervention.
- i will let you know before i make any moderator decisions, so you dont think im trigger happy with suspensions or whatever. (i never suspend anyone without just cause.) i also never delete posts, unless they are double posts or are requested to be deleted. even still, i rare;ly ever delete them. i send them to a recycle bin that only staff have access to. i also prefer to lock a topic rather than delete it, then move the topic to a "dont do this" forum.
(10:10:41 AM) SalemFuchs: i am usually a fiar person. so long as people are consistant
(10:10:45 AM) SalemFuchs: fair*
(10:11:18 AM) SalemFuchs: actually, before i agree with your terms let me give you a realisitic example:
(10:11:22 AM) SalemFuchs: 2
(10:14:13 AM) SalemFuchs: 1 - let's say elmind made a claim about him meeting a spirit and speakintg to it. i post a request for reasonings for the claim. he takes offense and plays the you're-closed-minded card. my response will to cite the 'no-bs posting rule' and move his topic to the bs forum, and i will no longer post in that topic. if the thread goes well and he does eventually post logical reasonings behind his claim, i will move the topic back to the appropriate forum and may even participate in the discussion.
(10:14:13 AM) Alynna <AUTO-REPLY> : I'm not here right now
(10:14:31 AM) Alynna: i'm here
(10:15:39 AM) Alynna: ok, i was actually... thinking, of making a specific forum just for people to discuss such matters, to make such claims, to be challenged, and then to have them try to go through the mental exercise of justifying it.
(10:15:50 AM) SalemFuchs: 2 - let's say kuro decided to mock every post i make. that alone, i don't care about, but that coundts as trolling. i will send him a warning in a pm. if he continues, i will suspend his account for 30 days and send you a message
(10:16:03 AM) Alynna: basically a forum for 'grilling' as the therians put it.
(10:16:07 AM) SalemFuchs: trolling should be clearly defined too
(10:16:13 AM) SalemFuchs: no
(10:16:31 AM) SalemFuchs: in the bs forum, theyre free to talk what they want without the 'grilling'
(10:16:46 AM) SalemFuchs: but the forum is clearly labeled for bs posts
(10:16:47 AM) Alynna: alright..
(10:17:10 AM) SalemFuchs: so if people are serious and looking for valid information, they know not to use the information in that board
(10:17:13 AM) Alynna: I hope we can make it a little bit less offensive than calling it the BS forum.
(10:18:21 AM) Alynna: maybe I'll call it the 'probability challenged' forum. I like that phrase, specially cause I coined it
(10:18:26 AM) SalemFuchs: i will only settle for either "Theoretical Discussions (Note: Unproven Claims)" or "BS Forum"
(10:18:57 AM) SalemFuchs: no one will know what probability challenged means
(10:19:16 AM) Alynna: hmm.
(10:19:27 AM) SalemFuchs: it has to be clearly stated, this is why you mislead people and problems arise
(10:19:35 AM) SalemFuchs: yopure too indirect and suger coat crap
(10:19:37 AM) SalemFuchs: you're*
(10:19:57 AM) Alynna: I do not think much is gained by chasing people away.
(10:20:02 AM) SalemFuchs: would it kill you to just tell the truth and say things how they are?
(10:20:12 AM) SalemFuchs: how is that chasing peole away?
(10:20:36 AM) SalemFuchs: and what would be the point if all youre attracting is 13 year old emo kids with a superiority complex?
(10:21:11 AM) Alynna: if you put things too harshly, then they cease to care about your opinion anyway and then disregard everything you said because 'yer a jerk'
(10:21:27 AM) SalemFuchs: right but that makes them immature
(10:21:28 AM) Alynna: and the corruption of ideaology STILL exsts.
(10:21:51 AM) Alynna: I hate to break it to you, but look out there.
(10:21:57 AM) Alynna: The immature is the majority.
(10:22:17 AM) Alynna: It effects everyone who hears our name.
(10:22:24 AM) SalemFuchs: right. but you can never expect any progress that way
(10:22:34 AM) SalemFuchs: it has already been done basically youre way twice
(10:22:37 AM) SalemFuchs: and it failed
(10:22:45 AM) SalemFuchs: both of them crashed and burned miserably
(10:23:03 AM) SalemFuchs: im not saying to completely change what youre doing
(10:23:09 AM) SalemFuchs: but to add _some_ changes
(10:23:18 AM) Alynna: well, I do believe we need some form of quality control.
(10:23:44 AM) SalemFuchs: and i hate to break it to you too. but reopening the site and continuing where it left off will only crash and burn again
(10:23:48 AM) SalemFuchs: right
(10:23:53 AM) Alynna: I realise that.
(10:23:56 AM) SalemFuchs: yet youre also so against it
(10:24:14 AM) Alynna: I do not expect to do this alone, but once again, i'm trying to find that balance.
(10:24:17 AM) SalemFuchs: it's as if you want to _seem_ you're doing the right thing, when you're really not
(10:24:54 AM) SalemFuchs: i know you want to be all lubby dubby and friendly with people
(10:24:56 AM) SalemFuchs: and that is fine
(10:25:00 AM) Alynna: or theres the other possibility, that I am not entirely that your way is the 'right way'.
(10:25:09 AM) SalemFuchs: but as an admin you have to be strict sometimes too, and enforce poli9cies
(10:25:12 AM) SalemFuchs: policies*
(10:25:23 AM) Alynna: you don't change anything by setting fire to everyone you disagree with
(10:25:33 AM) SalemFuchs: if a child misbehaves they have to be disiplined. no matter how much the parent doesnt want to
(10:25:57 AM) SalemFuchs: i dont 'set fire' to everyone either
(10:26:07 AM) SalemFuchs: i have many people that can back me up in that
(10:26:17 AM) SalemFuchs: some of them are on your forum
(10:26:40 AM) SalemFuchs: yes. i am strict and harsh with the truth.
(10:26:52 AM) SalemFuchs: but am not dishonest
(10:26:56 AM) SalemFuchs: i dont mislead people
(10:27:18 AM) SalemFuchs: i tell people how things are. whether they want to hear it or not
(10:28:40 AM) Alynna: if you are wrong about something, and you believe you are right, and try to convince others that your way is right when it is wrong, you are misleading people, even if you truly believe you aren't. This is not directed at you, it's a general statement that everyone should know that something is truth before they propagate it as truth.
(10:28:45 AM) SalemFuchs: to be honest. i would love to participate in the forum, but i cannot deal with being on a board where 60% of the people think they are a sonic character (exaggeration)
(10:29:15 AM) SalemFuchs: you're right
(10:29:19 AM) SalemFuchs: but i dont do that
(10:29:32 AM) SalemFuchs: if i am wrong and the person can show me why i am wrong. i will stand corrected
(10:29:36 AM) SalemFuchs: and i have done so before
(10:29:44 AM) SalemFuchs: i'm not afraid to be wrong
(10:30:10 AM) Alynna: some people are afraid to be wrong.
(10:30:24 AM) SalemFuchs: no offense. but you are afraid of being wrong
(10:30:55 AM) SalemFuchs: that's just my observation of you
(10:31:02 AM) Alynna: I can't entirely deny that...
(10:31:15 AM) SalemFuchs: thats the problem
(10:31:22 AM) Alynna: but i'm still open to the discussion of things.
(10:31:22 AM) SalemFuchs: you never entirely _anything_
(10:31:52 AM) Alynna: except fox, heh...
(10:31:56 AM) SalemFuchs: you're always in between, unsure yourself and making others unsure. giving general responces that can be taken in any way
(10:32:33 AM) Alynna: well, the entire concept of spiritual nature has alot of uncertainty around it.
(10:32:39 AM) SalemFuchs: you give the same responces i'd expect a fake fortune teller to be using (in cold reading)
(10:33:09 AM) Alynna: I do not like to say something that I am only partially certain may be true.
(10:33:25 AM) SalemFuchs: then say that you're not sure rather than answer it
(10:33:43 AM) SalemFuchs: if you say 'maybe' you're misleading the person
(10:33:57 AM) SalemFuchs: they will take the responce however they want
(10:35:22 AM) Alynna: if you deal only in certainties, then how will you ever figure anything out? Somethings you can never be certain of as things are.
(10:35:48 AM) SalemFuchs: you're going to have to rephrase that because you've lost me
(10:36:41 AM) Alynna: if you're unable to give an opinion of how something is, and you just answer everything you're not certain of with 'i'm not sure', then you haven't really contributed anything to the conversation.
(10:36:54 AM) SalemFuchs: right
(10:36:58 AM) SalemFuchs: but youre being honest
(10:37:05 AM) SalemFuchs: you cant be a know it all, you know
(10:37:17 AM) SalemFuchs: that makes you seem like an 'authority' if you do
(10:37:23 AM) SalemFuchs: you're not bloody perfect
(10:37:25 AM) Alynna: I can honestly give my opinion and general sense of things ...
(10:37:41 AM) SalemFuchs: that is called bsing, lol
(10:37:57 AM) SalemFuchs: i do that in school when a teacher calls on me when im not paying attention
(10:38:47 AM) Alynna: well there needs to be a balance there.
(10:39:28 AM) Alynna: if someone is trying to explore something about themselves they don't understand and the only answers we can give them is 'i'm not sure', then we haven't helped them one whit.
(10:39:40 AM) SalemFuchs: yes
(10:39:45 AM) SalemFuchs: but it will be an honest answer
(10:39:52 AM) Alynna: what they have to know up front is that we can give them information based on our own experience.
(10:39:56 AM) SalemFuchs: a proper response when youre not sure is as follows:
(10:39:58 AM) Alynna: but it may not be rght,
(10:40:24 AM) Alynna: its something they have to figure out for themselves. They should get more than 'my answer' or 'your answer'
(10:40:36 AM) SalemFuchs: i honestly don't know, but i wou;ld suggest to meditate on it further or speak to so-and-so, or visit these sites or check out these books
(10:40:38 AM) Alynna: they need to take in everything they hear and then see which best fit.
(10:41:01 AM) SalemFuchs: that way you did help them by refering them to someone else that -did- know
(10:41:19 AM) SalemFuchs: and this is exactly why kitsuhana failed
(10:41:24 AM) SalemFuchs: because of that mentality
(10:41:27 AM) Alynna: just cause someone wrote a book doesn't mean they knew either.
(10:41:37 AM) SalemFuchs: this is why peopel were mislead and you were labled a cultist
(10:41:45 AM) SalemFuchs: people*
(10:41:55 AM) SalemFuchs: yes. but the author of that book has something you dont have
(10:41:57 AM) SalemFuchs: credentials
(10:42:08 AM) Alynna: what credentials?
(10:42:22 AM) Alynna: what makes anyone an expert about kitsune?
(10:42:25 AM) SalemFuchs: most of what they say can be found in other text. it is all properly researched and documented
(10:42:41 AM) SalemFuchs: correction to your question:
(10:42:52 AM) SalemFuchs: what makes _you_ an expert in kitsuné?
(10:42:56 AM) Alynna: alot of those texts are works of fiction themselves!
(10:43:07 AM) SalemFuchs: right
(10:43:11 AM) Alynna: I never said I was, I do however say that noone really is.
(10:43:26 AM) SalemFuchs: then that would make kitsuné as a whole a crok of shit that was made up, wouldn't it?
(10:43:49 AM) Alynna: there won't BE any experts until we as kitsune actually figure out what *we* are and seperate the BS from the not BS...
(10:43:56 AM) SalemFuchs: even the most realiable sources and even the original texts were all legends made up by _people_
(10:43:58 AM) Alynna: and that includes ALL data..
(10:44:11 AM) Alynna: I think you might actually be getting it.
(10:44:41 AM) SalemFuchs: personally. i already know fox spirits dont exist in any sense portrayed in texts
(10:44:58 AM) Alynna: So why do you act as if they are authorative?
(10:45:14 AM) SalemFuchs: but i am still interested in researching it becauswe of how chaotic and perfect it was designed
(10:45:17 AM) Alynna: you've presented a personal non-sequitor.
(10:45:29 AM) SalemFuchs: because they are the only people that know what theyre talking about
(10:45:35 AM) SalemFuchs: theyre not just some dude in a basement
(10:45:40 AM) SalemFuchs: they've dedicated years to it
(10:45:48 AM) SalemFuchs: they poured their hearts into it
(10:45:53 AM) SalemFuchs: they made sacrafices for it
(10:46:01 AM) SalemFuchs: thats what makes them credible
(10:46:07 AM) SalemFuchs: they are searious about it
(10:46:09 AM) SalemFuchs: serious*
(10:46:25 AM) SalemFuchs: to them it is much more than just some legend
(10:46:33 AM) Alynna: there are some of us who are as serious as they are, believe it or not.
(10:46:58 AM) SalemFuchs: there is a difference in determination and unhealthy obsessions
(10:47:02 AM) SalemFuchs: example:
(10:47:55 AM) SalemFuchs: zoologist that does field research on foxes (credible and determined). person who collects mountains of fox plush and artwork (entusiastic, but unhealthy obsession)
(10:48:00 AM) SalemFuchs: see the difference?
(10:48:08 AM) SalemFuchs: they dont let it run their lives
(10:48:16 AM) SalemFuchs: but it is still very important to them
(10:48:25 AM) Alynna: even anyone with the most intense obsession about kitsune will break away as soon as they find it inconvenient.
(10:48:37 AM) SalemFuchs: not really
(10:48:47 AM) SalemFuchs: not when their existance is based on it
(10:48:49 AM) SalemFuchs: example;
(10:52:03 AM) SalemFuchs: i am a kitsune, i am because i say so. no one can tell me otherwise. then someone comes and tells them they are not and provides logic to show them they were wrong. they go into th defensive and deny it. they fight for it. later they feel like shit because what the other guy said made alot of sense. they decide to ignore it because the other guy was 'an asshole'. even though he was the one who failed to explain why he claimed to be a fox spirit. let's say one day they find out for themselves they really _are_ wrong. then what? depression. anxiety. suicide. sucide, because they no longer have anything to live for. for them, their liofe was a lie, they feel they have no real friends. they no longer feel special. they are just the same decomposing organic human matter as all the rest of us. that hurts them
(10:52:13 AM) SalemFuchs: that is what an unhealthy obsession is
(10:52:39 AM) SalemFuchs: life*
(10:53:35 AM) Alynna: They have a different problem then being a fox then.
(10:53:43 AM) SalemFuchs: yes
(10:53:57 AM) SalemFuchs: this is sadly a very realistic example, too
(10:54:15 AM) SalemFuchs: i've seen many in your forum be this way too
(10:56:14 AM) Alynna: if I was given sufficient evidence I was not a fox spirit, then i'd have to wonder about all the things that have occured in my life since back to my childhood. I'd still need to explain past, recent, and current events.
(10:56:22 AM) Alynna: for my own sanity.
(10:56:32 AM) SalemFuchs: honestly, no comment.
(10:56:38 AM) Alynna: or perhaps it can be simply attributed to insanity.
(10:56:51 AM) Alynna: Should I check myself in?
(10:56:56 AM) SalemFuchs: insanity?
(10:57:05 AM) SalemFuchs: people who are insane don't know they are
(10:57:29 AM) Alynna: everyone else seems to know or think they know.
(10:57:39 AM) SalemFuchs: i know that was sarcastic, but i will answer it anyway:
(10:58:07 AM) SalemFuchs: no. i don't think you are insane. but you are very much so mislead in your own beleifs.
(10:58:25 AM) Alynna: and yet I seem to keep myself fed, clothed, homed and entertained enough to be considered 'socially functional'..
(10:58:46 AM) Alynna: umm, if you believe that, why bother with Kitsuhana at all?
(10:58:54 AM) SalemFuchs: thats all fine. thats why i don't really care about 'helping' you
(10:59:05 AM) SalemFuchs: but you started to mislead others
(10:59:11 AM) SalemFuchs: thats where the problem comes
(10:59:31 AM) SalemFuchs: i already told you why i still want to participate
(10:59:37 AM) Alynna: I think that is very much your own opinion.
(10:59:45 AM) SalemFuchs: because i have my interest in it.
(10:59:55 AM) SalemFuchs: is it really?
(11:00:15 AM) Alynna: actually, i don't know.
(11:00:25 AM) SalemFuchs: somehow my 'theory' of you misleading people seems to get around
(11:01:04 AM) SalemFuchs: if my theory were false. kitsuhana would still be around
(11:01:10 AM) Alynna: people will say that I suppose. I try to state my opinion on matters..
(11:01:14 AM) SalemFuchs: and we wouldnt be having this conversation
(11:01:27 AM) SalemFuchs:
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:00:19] AlynnaFoxie: people will say that I suppose. I try to state my opinion on matters..
(11:01:28 AM) Alynna: and yet disclaim them enough that people know I am not trying to be authorative.
(11:01:35 AM) SalemFuchs: there you go with those responces again
(11:01:45 AM) SalemFuchs: neutral general responces
(11:02:04 AM) SalemFuchs: youre may not be trying
(11:02:09 AM) SalemFuchs: nbut others see you as you are
(11:02:11 AM) SalemFuchs: but*
(11:02:37 AM) SalemFuchs: the only reason we are both in conflict is because i do not respect any authority
(11:02:48 AM) SalemFuchs: you seem to have a big authority label
(11:02:56 AM) SalemFuchs: whether you want it or not
(11:02:58 AM) SalemFuchs: you do
(11:03:24 AM) SalemFuchs: if you didnt want the label, you would clearly publically state so
(11:03:36 AM) SalemFuchs: but you dont dispell any rumours
(11:03:42 AM) SalemFuchs: that is what makes me concerned
(11:03:56 AM) SalemFuchs: you sort of do so in messenger. but definitely not in public
(11:04:09 AM) SalemFuchs: youre afraid of destroying your public image
(11:04:21 AM) SalemFuchs: this is, by the way, why i posted that picture that day
(11:04:33 AM) SalemFuchs: to make you confront that fear
(11:04:52 AM) Alynna: it doesn't matter.
(11:05:07 AM) Alynna: hardly anyone would recognize me from that picture anymore.
(11:05:11 AM) SalemFuchs: if you had nothing to hide, you wouldnt have cared about the picture either way
(11:05:50 AM) SalemFuchs: i sense a defense mechanism
(11:06:05 AM) SalemFuchs: i'm not trying to attack you. im trying to make you realise what you'redoing
(11:06:33 AM) SalemFuchs: if i wanted to attack you, believe me i can do much much worse things than just blab on a messenger
(11:06:55 AM) SalemFuchs: and no that is not a trhreat. i dont make stupid threats on the internet
(11:06:59 AM) SalemFuchs: threat*
(11:07:02 AM) Alynna: look i know why i got the label as being some kind of 'leader' or 'authority figure'...
(11:07:08 AM) SalemFuchs: ok
(11:07:15 AM) SalemFuchs: then why dont you dispell it then?
(11:07:22 AM) SalemFuchs: what is keeping you from doing so?
(11:07:25 AM) Alynna: its because i've done my homework about myself, and i'm not afraid to talk about it.
(11:07:33 AM) SalemFuchs: really now?
(11:07:37 AM) Alynna: yes,
(11:07:42 AM) Alynna: really.
(11:08:15 AM) SalemFuchs: but what dopes that have to do with being an authority?
(11:08:19 AM) SalemFuchs: does*
(11:08:20 AM) Alynna: because I talk about the things i've learned at cons and stuff, people assign a label.
(11:08:56 AM) Alynna: I try my best to interject some goddamn sense into the whole idea of kitsune.
(11:09:10 AM) Alynna: its my contribution, practially the only one I can make..
(11:10:30 AM) Alynna: test
(11:10:37 AM) SalemFuchs: pong
(11:10:39 AM) Alynna: i lost internet for about 1 minute
(11:10:47 AM) Alynna: repeat anything
(11:10:48 AM) SalemFuchs:
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:06:42] AESpresident87: really now?
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:06:46] AlynnaFoxie: yes,
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:06:51] AlynnaFoxie: really.
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:07:24] AESpresident87: but what dopes that have to do with being an authority?
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:07:28] AESpresident87: does*
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:08:00] AESpresident87: im not talking about whether you are a fox, a snake or a bloody cactus or not. im talking about your image
[Sunday; 20/April/2008 - 14:08:26] *** "AlynnaFoxie" signed off at Sun Apr 20 14:08:26 2008.
(11:11:22 AM) Alynna: it doesn't make me an authority, but I can say 'i'm not' until i'm blue in the face.
(11:11:50 AM) Alynna: it doesn't even matter if I do or not.
(11:12:07 AM) Alynna: hold on,.
(11:12:10 AM) Alynna: some stuff missed.
(11:12:29 AM) Alynna: (11:08:20 AM) Alynna: because I talk about the things i've learned at cons and stuff, people assign a label.
(11:08:56 AM) Alynna: I try my best to interject some goddamn sense into the whole idea of kitsune.
(11:09:10 AM) Alynna: its my contribution, practially the only one I can make..
(11:15:56 AM) Alynna: ok lets try this again
(11:16:11 AM) Alynna: (11:11:22 AM) Alynna: it doesn't make me an authority, but I can say 'i'm not' until i'm blue in the face.
(11:11:50 AM) Alynna: it doesn't even matter if I do or not.
(11:12:07 AM) Alynna: hold on,.
(11:12:10 AM) Alynna: some stuff missed.
(11:12:29 AM) Alynna: (11:08:20 AM) Alynna: because I talk about the things i've learned at cons and stuff, people assign a label.
(11:08:56 AM) Alynna: I try my best to interject some goddamn sense into the whole idea of kitsune.
(11:09:10 AM) Alynna: its my contribution, practially the only one I can make.
(11:17:39 AM) Alynna: there is one reason I have concern for my public image, because i'd rather people take information from me than most the morons on the internet who make whatever they want up about kitsune... at least I give a shit about the truth..
(11:17:58 AM) SalemFuchs: if you tell them indirectly like how i keep catching you trying to talk to me, then thats why you fail
(11:19:46 AM) SalemFuchs: you could still talk to people about it anddispell that authority figure
(11:20:04 AM) SalemFuchs: y7ou dont even have to be rude about it
(11:20:07 AM) SalemFuchs: you*
(11:20:13 AM) SalemFuchs: or hell
(11:20:57 AM) SalemFuchs: i could dispell them all for you, all you would have to do is agree to it and people will see that
(11:22:09 AM) Alynna: maybe I should put the question to you this way. Is your problem with me stemming strictly from the fact that i'm seen as an 'authority figure' and you have a problem with authority?
(11:23:06 AM) Alynna: Are you going to do this to anyone you see elevated to what is ultimately an irrelevant status?
(11:23:35 AM) Alynna: What are you going to do about the next one who probably won't give half a shit about truth?
(11:23:43 AM) SalemFuchs: right now i only have a problem with 2 people.
(11:23:46 AM) Alynna: You want Foxtrot's page to be authorative?
(11:24:11 AM) Alynna: Half the alleged kitsune on the internet thinks his page is the bees knees
(11:24:18 AM) Alynna: and authorative..
(11:24:25 AM) SalemFuchs: you and fox. fox mroe than you because he claims to be the know it all "god" or whatever
(11:24:30 AM) SalemFuchs: more*
(11:24:54 AM) SalemFuchs: you because you keep defending this false authority image of yourself
(11:25:00 AM) SalemFuchs: and misleading people
(11:25:06 AM) Alynna: I didn't create it!
(11:25:13 AM) SalemFuchs: youre fucking hurting mopre people than youre helping
(11:25:22 AM) SalemFuchs: no, but you're endoresing it
(11:25:28 AM) SalemFuchs: so youre just as guilty
(11:25:37 AM) Alynna: i'm not even endorsing it.
(11:25:38 AM) SalemFuchs: youre doing nothing to dispell it
(11:26:49 AM) SalemFuchs: i believe you love that attention
(11:27:01 AM) Alynna: thats where the difference is, i'm not sure if I should. I don't want to be seen as an authority figure on one hand because it creates undue expectations on me. On the other hand, i'd rather it be me that people throw the label onto than someone else..
(11:27:11 AM) SalemFuchs: you ravish in the thought of all these peopel beleiveing your every word. to take it all as fact
(11:27:39 AM) SalemFuchs: personally. you're the last person people should listen to in that aspect
(11:27:48 AM) SalemFuchs: you're not the best role model for anyone
(11:28:15 AM) SalemFuchs: i can already see this site of yours crashing and burning again. much worse than the first time
(11:28:35 AM) SalemFuchs: seems you never learned your lesson
(11:28:44 AM) SalemFuchs: when it happens, you will remember i told you so
(11:28:58 AM) SalemFuchs: and then you wonder why it happens
(11:29:06 AM) SalemFuchs: you bring these things upon your self
(11:29:10 AM) SalemFuchs: and then blame others
(11:29:20 AM) SalemFuchs: because it's easier thast way
(11:29:22 AM) SalemFuchs: that*
(11:29:36 AM) SalemFuchs: aand it will preserve your own image while youre at it
(11:29:43 AM) Alynna: well, i don't know what to say at this point.
(11:29:51 AM) SalemFuchs: the great alynna could never make a mistake, impossible!
(11:30:10 AM) Alynna: personally I think that you are placing way too much importance on yourself and your ideas.
(11:30:20 AM) SalemFuchs: my ideas?
(11:30:23 AM) SalemFuchs: what are my ideas?
(11:30:41 AM) SalemFuchs: as far as i know, this entire conversation has revolved around ytou
(11:30:41 AM) Alynna: I think it is you who wants to be the authority figure.
(11:30:48 AM) SalemFuchs: and now youre trying to turn the tables?
(11:30:58 AM) SalemFuchs: not really
(11:31:19 AM) SalemFuchs: unlike you. i am very sure of what i want
(11:31:33 AM) SalemFuchs: im not the one who goes around making any claims
(11:31:47 AM) Alynna: your anger stems from the fact that most people think of you as nothing more than a common troll.
(11:32:00 AM) SalemFuchs: lol
(11:32:09 AM) Alynna: And you fight that idea in your own mind.
(11:32:14 AM) SalemFuchs: i ravish from being treated like one. i'm a class-a /b/tard
(11:32:27 AM) Alynna: believing the entire world is wrong, and you are right.
(11:32:45 AM) SalemFuchs: thats a lovely analysis doctor, but you're missing the facts
(11:32:50 AM) Alynna: Ironically that, is a definition of insanity.
(11:32:50 AM) SalemFuchs: care to back them up?
(11:33:13 AM) Alynna: Tell me Salem. How many forums are you still on that you do not own or run?
(11:33:27 AM) SalemFuchs: i'm on tons of forums
(11:33:31 AM) SalemFuchs: i only run 3
(11:33:39 AM) SalemFuchs: 1 is about a danish cartoon
(11:33:47 AM) SalemFuchs: the other is of my radio station
(11:33:58 AM) SalemFuchs: the last is a therian forum i help corun
(11:34:38 AM) SalemFuchs: all the other baords im on are about music ande spirituality.
(11:34:41 AM) SalemFuchs: and*
(11:34:49 AM) SalemFuchs: and others about truck driving and off road driving
(11:34:55 AM) SalemFuchs: want more?
(11:35:03 AM) SalemFuchs: im also on programming and hacker boards
(11:35:06 AM) Alynna: you're engaged in a pattern of behaviour that can honestly only be called destructive. I KEEP trying to see past it and work past it.
(11:35:26 AM) SalemFuchs: look who's talking about destructive behaviour
(11:35:27 AM) Alynna: because I truly believe that you are in search f truth.
(11:35:33 AM) SalemFuchs: mr. authoriy
(11:35:37 AM) SalemFuchs: authority*
(11:36:08 AM) SalemFuchs: dont try to give me that shit. i'm not one of your 13 year old imbeciles with no brains.
(11:36:09 AM) Alynna: Salem, don't you get it? How can I take this argument seriously? You're as much in search of that 'authority role' as you claim me to be.
(11:36:44 AM) SalemFuchs: i would like you to point something out that would credit that accusement though
(11:36:48 AM) SalemFuchs: i've still yet to see it
(11:36:59 AM) SalemFuchs: if youre ging to talk the talk
(11:37:01 AM) SalemFuchs: walk the walk
(11:37:05 AM) SalemFuchs: going*
(11:37:21 AM) SalemFuchs: going back to being serious:
(11:37:27 AM) Alynna: do you expect me to go looking through your words to prove this?
(11:37:37 AM) SalemFuchs: yes i do
(11:37:50 AM) SalemFuchs: because apparently you had enough data to come to your conculsion
(11:37:56 AM) SalemFuchs: so i'd like you to share this data
(11:37:58 AM) Alynna: because theres no direct evidence in your words. You choose your words wisely.
(11:38:06 AM) Alynna: its all in how you act.
(11:38:06 AM) SalemFuchs: especially since your conclusion is about me in particular
(11:38:20 AM) SalemFuchs: and how do i act?
(11:39:06 AM) Alynna: Spiteful and bitter, and like you cannot stand to see any 'authority figures'...
(11:39:27 AM) Alynna: I believe you will do this to ANYONE who is seen by others in this role..
(11:39:29 AM) SalemFuchs: (keep in mind you _still_ havent even even shown a sign of you doing anything about your false image. also it is interesting to note how you've changed subjects and directed them to myself because you were backed into a corner
)
(11:40:03 AM) SalemFuchs: tell me more
(11:40:31 AM) SalemFuchs: and let me know when you're done./ i will tend to each response individually
(11:41:16 AM) Alynna: I've now dropped the whole argument about this false image thing, for the very reason that I am not propagating it, and you are simply attacking me for having it, deserved or not.
(11:41:33 AM) Alynna: look, Salem, to be honest...
(11:41:43 AM) SalemFuchs: i love how you ignored the fact that youre not doing anything about it
(11:41:47 AM) Alynna: I'm not going to be listening to you after this. I'm writing you off.
(11:42:07 AM) SalemFuchs: oh dont worry. just as expected coming from you, after all. ;)
(11:43:02 AM) SalemFuchs: if anything. all youve said just now. just proves my point
(11:43:09 AM) Alynna: I believe at this point that you're only pissed off about me carrying any bit of authority around.
(11:43:21 AM) SalemFuchs: lol who is pissed off?
(11:43:21 AM) Alynna: you know what, Salem, coming from you, so what.
(11:43:45 AM) SalemFuchs: yep, so what about what i say
(11:44:04 AM) Alynna: honestly, the conversation is over.
(11:44:06 AM) SalemFuchs: yet you're still here flapping your gums lol, even though you dont want to speak to me. interesting
(11:44:22 AM) Alynna: Go out there and say whatever you want about me.
(11:44:29 AM) SalemFuchs: dont worry. i will
(11:44:44 AM) SalemFuchs: i have more than enough to destroy your image
(11:45:00 AM) SalemFuchs: as for kitsuhana. dont expect it to last long. you can bet on it
(11:45:13 AM) SalemFuchs: bye bye :) have a nice day