<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Hello
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i don't know if you're there though...
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Hello, Mr JackTheRipper
<Satan> Hellooo, Mister Ripper
<Satan> We have business you and I
<Satan> I see you are absent
<Satan> I shall leave you my calling card
* Satan leaves her calling card in your fine silver calling card tray
<Satan> Toodles, sir
<Satan> Sleep well
* JackTheRipper is back.
No such nick/channel
No such nick/channel
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Hello
<JackTheRipper> 'lo. Saw that I missed you last night.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Yeah
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> It might have been better that we didn't talk last night, but whatever.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i was just wondering what was up with you and Teksura, i mean, you didn't leave #necrolounge or anything so i'm assuming you //don't// hate us...
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> It's more for my own curiousity's sake than anything to do with him though
<JackTheRipper> No. Until yesterday, I really liked Tek. And I don't expect you to see my side of it, as you're a little biased, but in my opinion, the way he acted yesterday was totally uncalled for.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i haven't read the whole thread, but i've seen some of it.
<JackTheRipper> Well, you should finish. You really should.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i'm not biased really, i've had a disturbing amount of people who he //thinks// like him say to me privately that they can't stand him
<JackTheRipper> That shit that he tried to pull at the very end? Quoting part of my post and ignoring the VERY NEXT LINE in it to try to prove a point? Fuck that.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> me questioning their sanity and reasoning skills aside, i try to be open-minded
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> sorry, i type slow and my finger's are cold
<JackTheRipper> He's a mod, for one. I thought we were on fairly good terms, secondly. And finally, shit, for him to edit out part of my post to make it look like I said something I didn't... right after he accused me of editing logs and shit just before that...
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i see what you mean though
<JackTheRipper> ...no, I really don't want to have anything to do with Tek after that. He should have known better, and that was some childish, e-peen waving shit.
<JackTheRipper> I don't have time for people that'll resort to something like that. Not in real life, not even in games. I don't need that kind of stress. ;-p
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> The real basis was that he doesn't like being called a liar or having it implied that he is a liar.
<JackTheRipper> Not when I can just ignore someone.
<JackTheRipper> And where, exactly, did I imply that?
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i actually don't know
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i just know that's the issue
<JackTheRipper> I explained to him, here on irc, and in that thread, that I didn't call him a liar about ANYTHING.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> is that where the one quote was from? your conversation on here?
<JackTheRipper> When I asked what I lied about, he says that I tried to say none of our pets ever attacked any of his members - which is also what he misquoted me on.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Well
<JackTheRipper> But in the grinning souls thread, I clearly said that we let our pets attack people. I admitted to it there *numerous* times, I admitted to it here, and it's pretty clear in the IC log I posted in Chaffin what happened, as well.
<JackTheRipper> I never, at any time, said that our pets didn't attack anyone while we were there.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> why did the faction (your faction? is it /yours/?) choose his faction to do that to?
<JackTheRipper> Or said he was lying about anything.
<JackTheRipper> We didn't 'choose' anything. My character was stepping in and out of buildings hunting, and one of the buildings I stepped into turned out to be their downed SH.
<JackTheRipper> The pets started eating me, I stepped out and potioned up, stepped back in, and started emoting. As opposed to killing all of them, which I could have done with my nearly full AP.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> but there was more than just you in the end, right?
<JackTheRipper> Yeah. I started pasting my emotes and the responses - including all of the ineffectual attacks they were throwing at me - in the Grinning Souls irc channel.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> why?
<JackTheRipper> After about 45 minutes, someone said "That looks fun, I think I'll come too"
<JackTheRipper> Why not?
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> true
<JackTheRipper> It was good roleplaying, it was pretty funny, and it was something other than the usual running around killing people grind.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> but didn't you think that maybe someone /would/ get killed?
<JackTheRipper> Yeah. Us.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> not by you but by someone else?
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> heh
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> slow again
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> anyway
<JackTheRipper> If someone else walked in and killed them - which as far as I know, didn't happen... it didn't while we were there I know for a fact - then it was going to happen anyway.
<JackTheRipper> It's not as if the six meager pets they had up were a major deterrent. I certainly handled them easily enough myself, without having to so much as hit any of them.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> it struck me as odd that apparently it's you and Firduath, both people Tek previously thought he got along well with, who are apparently most vocal in this.
<JackTheRipper> It *is* odd. Because Teksura blew that completely out of proportion.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> do you know why Firduath is involved?
<JackTheRipper> Yeah, because he was one of the Grinning Souls that said "that looks fun! Where are you?"
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> ah
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> have you discussed this with him since it happened?
<JackTheRipper> My thing is this: we didn't kill a single one of them. We made *sure* not to kill any of them. Even when they'd killed two of us and were hitting the two pets we had out, and we started letting our pets hit them, we were *very* careful to make sure our pets didn't kill any of them.
<JackTheRipper> And, as we'd been sitting there for nearly *2 hours* already, there were alot of active Magi healing eachother anytime our pets would hit someone.
<JackTheRipper> Compare that to Shade, who was a member of the Magi Anonymous for god knows how long, who used to run around the Nexus, finding downed strongholds... dispel their wards, and then AoE everyone inside.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> It seems the magi didn't know that you weren't going to kill them
<JackTheRipper> Teksura damn sure wasn't in any hurry to kick him out of the MA or anything.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> is he that guy that got banned or something?
<JackTheRipper> Yes, of course they didn't know we weren't going to kill them: because standing there for *two hours*, without killing a single one of them, and spending 30 AP emoting about how we weren't going to kill them wasn't any sort of indication at all...
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> there was a guy bothering people and ignoring tek and somebody banned him from irc for something but i might be thinking of someone else
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> might be the same guy
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> don't know
<JackTheRipper> All I can suggest is that you read the rest of the thread. The Grinning Souls thread, as well as the log of what happened in Chaffin.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> don't get snarky with me
<JackTheRipper> I'm not getting 'snarky' with you. What I'm saying is, I really don't know what to tell you, and that reading those posts and making up your own mind is really all I can think of to suggest.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> that was relating to your sarcastic tone in what you said prior to your advice, i told i can't type fast.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> that was the other thing i wanted to know, why did you get so damned bitchy with Tek when you were talking on here?
<JackTheRipper> Well, I can't help but be sarcastic about that. For him - or anyone else who'd been watching that for more than 5 minutes - to say that they didn't know we weren't going to wipe the place clean is just...
<JackTheRipper> ....well, I don't know what it is.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> can you honestly say that you've never heard of people saying similar and //then// "wiping the place clean"?
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i know for one that one of my characters was in the magi sh when that happened
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> and another in another of tek's sh when a similar thing happened
<JackTheRipper> Heh. Because I asked him where, exactly, I called him a liar. And he comes back with "I used to respect you" and "I'm disappointed in you" and all that drivel. And as for how I called him a liar? Well, read these three posts. Just these three:
<JackTheRipper> http://forums.nexuswar.com/viewtopic.php?p=269136#269136
<JackTheRipper> http://forums.nexuswar.com/viewtopic.php?p=269218#269218
<JackTheRipper> http://forums.nexuswar.com/viewtopic.php?p=269226#269226
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i'll have to read them later, i'm on dial-up and it takes at least 15 min for one thread to fully load
<JackTheRipper> Those three posts sum up why I don't want to have anything whatsoever to do with Tek. He accuses me of editing shit to cover up the truth, and then pulls *that* childish bullshit?
<JackTheRipper> Not my kinda person.
<JackTheRipper> Oh, well, here - I'll past it. It's short.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Can i ask you then why you're still in #circus and #necrolounge?
<JackTheRipper> Nevermind.. if you care to read it, I'm sure you will later, when you're on a better connection.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> that is a later that never comes
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> i would get better connections if i lived in a cave
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> but, i digress
<JackTheRipper> Is there some reason I shouldn't be in those channels?
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> They're Teksura's channels and you seem to want to distance yourself from him.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> if it were me i wouldn't want to be in the channels of someone i have //that// big of a problem with
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> but i'm female and maybe girls are different
<JackTheRipper> Circus is a channel for the Circus forum on the NW forums, whether Teksura's the op in that channel or not. And talking to Tek isn't the only reason that I'm in Necro.
<JackTheRipper> And as far as leaving the channel because someone else is there? Pfft.
<JackTheRipper> I don't care if Tek's there or not. That's where the 'ignoring' part comes in.
<JackTheRipper> If I were to do that, hell, I may as well stop playing NW because Teksura plays it.
<JackTheRipper> He really doesn't matter to me that much. ;-p
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> I gathered that.
<JackTheRipper> And honestly, I was fine with everything that happened yesterday, until he accused me of calling me a liar, which I wasn't... and then went on to misquote me in an attempt to make *me* look like a liar.
<JackTheRipper> Do you have any idea how many PMs I had when I woke up this morning from people saying they couldn't believe Tek pulled that shit?
<JackTheRipper> I'm honestly just sick of hearing about it at this point.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> I don't have any idea. how many did you have?
<JackTheRipper> More than I felt like reading.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Who were they from?
<JackTheRipper> Here, Vul. Here's what I'm talking about. From this post...:
<JackTheRipper> The first blows thrown were from the Magi. And still we didn't so much as hit anyone else.
<JackTheRipper> Then the Magi killed two of us, and still, we didn't hit any of you.
<JackTheRipper> Then the Magi hit the Fossil Dragon, which was set on defensive. It was at that point that I summoned a single hound to join the Fossil Dragon, and we let the two of them off their leashes for a bit.
<JackTheRipper> How many of you did they kill?
<JackTheRipper> Again, not a single one.
<JackTheRipper> ------
<JackTheRipper> Teksura takes this:
<JackTheRipper> Teksura wrote:
<JackTheRipper> Quote:
<JackTheRipper> <JackTheRipper> Now you show me in that thread where I denied that our pets attacked anyone, and I'll suck your fuckin' cock.
<JackTheRipper> JackTheRipper wrote:
<JackTheRipper> we didn't hit any of you.
<JackTheRipper> I'll pass on the blowjob, thanks.
<JackTheRipper> Can you see where he took that from? The very end of the second line of the original post.
<JackTheRipper> When the very next line goes on to say that we let our pets start hitting people.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Well,
<JackTheRipper> And that's *not* the only place in that thread where I admitted that we let the pets hit people.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> The discrepancy may be in that //you//, yourself, are saying no-one was killed, and someone in the magi has the logs to prve that they //were// killed, but, perhaps, not by you.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> If that's true, i can see where the problems are coming from.
<JackTheRipper> Not a single member of the Magi Anonymous was killed by anyone from Grinning Souls while we were there. Nor were they killed by anyone *else* while we were there.
<JackTheRipper> The only people who died during that entire two hour period were four Grinning Souls members.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Can you honestly account for the actions of //everyone// from Gs who ended up there?
<JackTheRipper> I was there.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> What about //after// you left? That seems to be where the differance in accounts are.
<JackTheRipper> 4 of us participated. 2 died in front of me without killing anyone else. Then I was killed. Then the last one was killed, again, without killing anyone.'
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> How many people are in the Gs channel?
<JackTheRipper> After I was killed, it took about 45 seconds for them to kill the last person there, who claims not to have killed anyone in that 45 seconds.
<JackTheRipper> Also:
<JackTheRipper> Myself and a few others asked Teksura to post this mysterious log he has of us killing his people. So far, it hasn't been produced. Not on the forums, not in a PM to me, not in a PM to the Grinning Souls leader...
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> I consider that statement to be calling him a liar.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Who are the "few others"?
<JackTheRipper> About what, Vul? We said: the four of us didn't kill anyone. He said: you did. We know: we didn't. If he's claiming that any of the four of us who participated in that killed anyone, he was lying.
<JackTheRipper> If he's saying that someone came along three hours later and killed someone, that has nothing to do with me.
<JackTheRipper> In fact, I posted that log right after it happened. He made his post about us being horrible vultures right after it happened.
<JackTheRipper> If someone unrelated to all of this went in and killed someone between those two time periods, that was an *amazing* coincidence.
<JackTheRipper> The "few others" are the people in that thread who responded to his accusations of me editing shit out of the Chaffin log with "Post what was left out, please."
<JackTheRipper> Inlcuding myself.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Wouldn't it "have to do with you" since you were the one who made their vulnerable state public knowledge? Can you honestly say that no-one from your channel may have passed on the information? Or that you trust them implicitly to //not// be lying themselves?
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> There's a liar somehwere and I think the problem is that you're immediately assuming it's Teksura.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Also, my ice cream is melting.
<JackTheRipper> Vul... you're missing my point: within 20 minutes of the incident, Tek was on the board, calling us vultures and saying that we were lying. When I see a log of a Magi being killed by a GS member, with a timestamp that says it happened before Teksura made that post...
<JackTheRipper> ...then, I can see where Tek's coming from. If I see a log of a Magi being killed by ANYONE *before* Tek made that post, I can see what his problem is.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> I'm too lazy to type out a duplicate of what i just said.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> I'm going to have to leave this at that and bid you good evening.
<JackTheRipper> But if Tek posts a log of someone wandering in 4 hours later - 3 hours and 40 minutes AFTER he made that post - that doesn't prove anything.
<JackTheRipper> Except that things went down exactly as I said. And that by the time he'd made that post, no one had been killed.
<JackTheRipper> I'm still eagerly awaiting this infamous log that he's supposedly got. Because it should clear a lot of things up. And it's for that reason that I'm 90% sure that log will never be posted.
<JackTheRipper> And, you telling me that anyone was killed at all is the first I'd even heard of it: Teksura didn't tell me that. As far as I knew, the issue was that he claims I was trying to say the pets never so much as hit anyone, when that's not what I said at all.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> I said I was leaving and yet you're still talking, that last statement had no need to be said. I can say that for now I'm fine with you being in #necrolounge but if Teksura doesn't want you there I'm going to have to stand by his decision. You had made your point well without getting personal but that part there was uncalled for.
<JackTheRipper> And yes, I know you're gone. Maybe you'll read this when you get back, maybe you won't. But you were curious, so you should know.
<Vulnavia-Dahlia> Thank you, goodnight.
<JackTheRipper> You said you were leaving, yet I'm still talking? My apologies for committing such blasphemy! And as far as your channel goes, I'll solve that problem for you on my own. No worries.