(11:24:12 PM) The topic for #sy is: spring server should be back, yay (when dns changes propagate)
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(5:42:27 AM) icebird: anyone could give me google's ip, please?
(5:42:32 AM) icebird: my dns decided not to work anymore
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(7:10:44 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> use 4.2.2.1?
(7:10:48 AM) ***MelBot - [Evo]lurker gets the ip
(7:11:08 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> 72.14.207.99
(7:11:27 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> hmm hours ago
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(7:11:29 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> oh well
(7:11:40 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I just woke up; don't blame me
(7:11:45 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> >_>
(7:11:58 AM) icebird: thanks, but fortunately i already found someone alive by now ;)
(7:12:17 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> memorize 4.2.2.1
(7:12:20 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> it is your friend
(7:15:42 AM) icebird: eh nice
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(1:24:40 PM) JimmyTheSaint: SJ
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(7:42:41 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> how do i get a GLubyte* of a char?
(7:58:23 AM) tvo: (GLubyte*)&myChar ?
(7:59:45 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> that's what i am compiling now ^^ (didn't reached the file yet)
(8:00:41 AM) tvo: are you improving the font code ?
(8:00:48 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> i tried before: char* buf = &myChar; GLuByte* buf2 = (GLubyte*)buf; (what didn't worked :/)
(8:00:52 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> ^^
(8:00:53 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> yup
(8:01:10 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> but also improving a lot of other stuff
(8:01:23 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> i already get +20fps
(8:01:36 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> (not in late games :<)
(8:01:38 AM) tvo: nice
(8:02:10 AM) tvo: btw don't wait too long with submitting patches of parts that are finished already then
(8:02:17 AM) tvo: smaller patches are easier to review then big ones :)
(8:02:24 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> hehe
(8:02:36 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> my patch is already 100kB "small"
(8:02:40 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> :p
(8:02:41 AM) Phantasm: Is it really 6 months of something for the dedicated server for Spring?
(8:03:39 AM) Phantasm: s/of/or/
(8:06:32 AM) tvo: jK btw what you pasted should be identical to what I typed
(8:06:42 AM) tvo: what are you trying to do with the GLubyte* ?
(8:09:14 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> i have a PBO and want to write to it but the source is a char* array
(8:11:13 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> hmmm k it got compiled ^^
(8:31:18 AM) rattle: oh someone fixing the new font?
(8:33:29 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> yup
(8:33:40 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> already fixed the margin in the texture atlas
(8:33:50 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> only scaling needs still to be fixed
(8:34:10 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> also i will reintroduce displaylists (much faster)
(8:35:54 AM) Phantasm: I wonder if Q9450 (2.66 GHz quad core, 45 nm, 2x6 MB L2) will already be able to run Spring with BA mod well in bigger games without significantly turning down details.. At least 2.5 GHz dual core Opteron didn't.. Though, the speed difference of one core isn't that big, so will have to see.
(8:36:12 AM) tvo: jK: with the glTranslatef for horizontal "cursor" movement built into the DL?
(8:38:24 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> yup, but i also think about a shader which reads the gltranslate of a multitexcoord (afaik cpu calcs modelview matrix trnasformations -> slow)
(8:38:35 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> -of +from
(8:39:35 AM) tvo: afaik GPU does that actually
(8:39:56 AM) tvo: on anything newer then riva tnt
(8:40:35 AM) rattle: you mean T&L cards?
(8:40:47 AM) rattle: that'd be GF2+
(8:41:18 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> afaik T&L only calcs modelview*vertex (which was done on cpu before)
(8:48:24 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/viewreply.asp?ID=502718]
(8:48:27 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/viewreply.asp?ID=502718
(8:48:37 AM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> quote: If I remember correct, NVIDIA does not perform the matrix/matrix multiplication (i.e. glMultMatrix, glTranslate, glRotate and so on) in hardware on their pre-GeForce4 class hardware. Not sure about the GF4, but I suspect they don't do it in hardware either.
(8:51:25 AM) tvo: yeah seems right
(8:51:27 AM) Phantasm: Using shadows, reflective units and/or any other water than basic uses significant amount of cpu on Spring.
(8:51:45 AM) tvo: well feel free to implement it twice, once using shaders and once without
(8:51:46 AM) Phantasm: With X1800XT 3D card if that matters..
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(12:39:17 PM) KDR_11k: well, we just had a nice desync with SVN 5682
(12:39:41 PM) KDR_11k: I think I've been desyncing a whole lot
(12:39:59 PM) KDR_11k: it started when a unit died I think
(12:42:08 PM) KDR_11k: mod: THIS WIP3, dead unit: Dagger
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(2:36:00 PM) MelBot: <El_Matarife> Would it be possible to change the forum page titles to Theadtitle - ForumName - Spring Project instead of Spring Project - ForumName - ThreadTitle
(2:36:18 PM) MelBot: <El_Matarife> "The Spring Project * View topic - Spring is running in SMP" should be "Spring is running in SMP - Development * The Spring Project"
(2:36:29 PM) MelBot: <El_Matarife> The problem is that starting the title with "The Spring Project" means you'll never see the actual thread title on a tab which makes switching around from topic to topic in multiple tabs a pain
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(4:17:37 PM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> yeah, that's what the favicon is for
(4:18:05 PM) KDR_11k: ?
(4:18:15 PM) KDR_11k: did I miss something there?
(4:18:24 PM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <El_Matarife> Would it be possible to change the forum page titles to Theadtitle - ForumName - Spring Project instead of Spring Project - ForumName - ThreadTitle
(4:18:35 PM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <El_Matarife> The problem is that starting the title with "The Spring Project" means you'll never see the actual thread title on a tab which makes switching around from topic to topic in multiple tabs a pain
(4:18:48 PM) KDR_11k: yeah but what does the favicon have to do with that?
(4:19:11 PM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> the favicon takes care of the 'The Spring Project' portion of the title
(4:19:16 PM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> so you don't need it up front
(4:19:41 PM) KDR_11k: Hm, zw in #sy but not #kp...
(4:20:15 PM) lurker[]: there's a #kp on irc?
(4:20:21 PM) KDR_11k: no
(4:20:29 PM) KDR_11k: but Zw is not in #kp in the lobby
(4:20:50 PM) lurker[]: well, technically there is a channel called #kp, but that makes more sense
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(4:07:21 PM) MelBot: <[LCC]jK> rts/Game/GameHelper.h:87: error: extra qualification 'CGameHelper::' on member 'TestTrajectoryConeHelper'
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(6:25:45 PM) Phantasm: It would be nice if TASClient actually saved the changed made BEFORE closing the client.. Keeping the client on for say, a week, and then it crashing.. Sure is nice to lose all changes.
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(11:07:29 PM) _Seifidel232: I have been banned from main by peet
(11:07:38 PM) _Seifidel232: you guys need to cut him as a moderator its fucking bullshit
(11:07:44 PM) _Seifidel232: he bans everytime i defend america
(11:07:54 PM) _Seifidel232: its not ok for everyone else to express themselves
(11:08:02 PM) _Seifidel232: and then fuck me over
(11:08:19 PM) _Seifidel232: but none of you care because your fucking lazy
(11:08:22 PM) _Seifidel232: and wont do shit about it
(11:08:28 PM) _Seifidel232: but THIS is why you lose players
(11:08:34 PM) _Seifidel232: cause of stupid bullshit moderators
(11:08:51 PM) _Seifidel232: if you guys really gave a shit you would unban me, and remove peet as an admint
(11:09:00 PM) _Seifidel232: its fucking ridiculous and everyone thinks so
(11:09:06 PM) ILMTitan: what did you post (not that I'm really in any position of power over the forum)?
(11:09:24 PM) _Seifidel232: all i posted was that other people didnt know what the fuck they were talking about
(11:09:27 PM) _Seifidel232: when it comes to america
(11:09:31 PM) _Seifidel232: and i get kicked
(11:09:35 PM) _Seifidel232: so i called peet a nigger
(11:09:41 PM) _Seifidel232: but thats besides the point
(11:09:55 PM) _Seifidel232: his actions are not responsible and are based on his emotions
(11:10:00 PM) _Seifidel232: not what he should be doing
(11:10:45 PM) _Seifidel232: course i can just assume you all hate on america. whatever. its your guys loss if you dont resolve this peet issue
(11:10:56 PM) _Seifidel232 left the room (quit: Read error: EOF from client).
(11:21:09 PM) LordMatt: lol wut
(11:21:32 PM) ILMTitan: I suspect peet was fully justified
(11:21:43 PM) ILMTitan: I pm'd him anyway, though
(11:23:29 PM) LordMatt: I'm sure he was too, I'm posting this in the private forum, mainly for the luls of the other mods
(11:23:48 PM) ILMTitan: there's a private forum?
(11:24:28 PM) LordMatt: yeah
(11:24:37 PM) LordMatt: perhaps we should make you a mod :P
(11:24:56 PM) LordMatt: then you get to deal with ppl like Seifidel
(11:24:58 PM) ILMTitan: I'd be ok with that, not that I'd use my new power that much
(11:25:35 PM) ILMTitan: peet just replied. WOW
(11:26:43 PM) LordMatt: what did he say
(11:27:28 PM) ILMTitan: "F&%$ YOU" maybe 30 times
(11:27:45 PM) ILMTitan: after being thretened with a ban
(11:28:17 PM) ILMTitan: maybe more like 50
(11:34:52 PM) treeform [~me@75-165-8-163.tukw.qwest.net] entered the room.
(4/10/2008 12:01:36 AM) _Seifidel232 [~kjjkj@c-24-18-51-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] entered the room.
(12:01:50 AM) _Seifidel232: fucking peet has stopped me from posting a legitimate topic on forum
(12:02:00 AM) _Seifidel232: if you are a moderator with any balls
(12:02:02 AM) _Seifidel232: DET
(12:02:04 AM) _Seifidel232: or lordmat
(12:02:08 AM) _Seifidel232: you would solve this shit
(12:02:12 AM) _Seifidel232: tis fucking ridiculous
(12:02:26 AM) _Seifidel232: but you guys dont give a shit
(12:02:31 AM) _Seifidel232: apathetic bastards
(12:02:48 AM) _Seifidel232: any help?
(12:02:52 AM) _Seifidel232: didnt think so
(12:02:54 AM) ILMTitan: 1. He sent me a pm about your "Legitmate Topic"
(12:03:00 AM) _Seifidel232: DID YOU READ IT
(12:03:05 AM) _Seifidel232: it had no cussing
(12:03:08 AM) _Seifidel232: and was legitimate
(12:03:14 AM) _Seifidel232: your just gonna fuckign side with him like that
(12:03:20 AM) _Seifidel232: obviosulys since youve started your list
(12:03:24 AM) _Seifidel232: all i want is to be unbanned
(12:03:31 AM) _Seifidel232: and you ASS HOLES arnt gonna do shit about it
(12:03:44 AM) _Seifidel232: was an inapproriate mute and ban to begin with
(12:03:46 AM) ILMTitan: 2. I love America
(12:04:03 AM) _Seifidel232: man fuck you guys if you arnt willing to help a player then whats the point
(12:04:08 AM) _Seifidel232: i know you wont do shit
(12:04:10 AM) ILMTitan: I just finished listening to the Cards beat the Astros
(12:04:31 AM) _Seifidel232: and the moderators on here ignore me
(12:04:37 AM) _Seifidel232: if i cant post on clan y
(12:04:42 AM) _Seifidel232: without having my comments removed
(12:04:50 AM) _Seifidel232: and i cant play b ecause im banned
(12:05:02 AM) _Seifidel232: then im going to be really pissed, because im beiong treated unfairly
(12:05:10 AM) _Seifidel232: but thats fine. if thats how you guys roll
(12:05:24 AM) _Seifidel232: i understand. hypocrits. makes sense.
(12:05:34 AM) _Seifidel232: i know some of you are just ignoring me
(12:05:38 AM) _Seifidel232: and you are the worst type of moderator
(12:06:09 AM) _Seifidel232: no comments from anyone who can unban me eh
(12:06:11 AM) _Seifidel232: that makes sense
(12:06:11 AM) ILMTitan:
(12:06:11 AM) ILMTitan: http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
(12:06:26 AM) ILMTitan: great video
(12:06:32 AM) _Seifidel232: yeah that would be neat
(12:06:39 AM) _Seifidel232: if i wasnt banned inappropriately
(12:07:02 AM) _Seifidel232: thats cool. if you guys all want to be like that
(12:07:58 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:00 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:00 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:00 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:00 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:00 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:01 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:03 AM) _Seifidel232: FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES
(12:08:05 AM) _Seifidel232 left the room (quit: Excess Flood).
(12:09:34 AM) _Seifidel232 [~kjjkj@c-24-18-51-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] entered the room.
(12:09:41 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:42 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:43 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:44 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:45 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:45 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:46 AM) _Seifidel232: UNBAN ME
(12:09:54 AM) _Seifidel232: at the least dont ignore me
(12:09:55 AM) _Seifidel232: ass holes
(12:11:56 AM) treeform: _Seifidel232 wtf
(12:12:05 AM) treeform: you drunk again?
(12:12:11 AM) _Seifidel232: no ive been banned
(12:12:14 AM) _Seifidel232: for nothing
(12:12:29 AM) treeform: "FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASS HOLES"
(12:12:36 AM) _Seifidel232: i dont give a fuck
(12:12:36 AM) treeform: id bann you now
(12:12:42 AM) _Seifidel232: id ban your mom you bitch
(12:12:45 AM) _Seifidel232: so stfu
(12:12:48 AM) _Seifidel232: this isnt about you
(12:12:52 AM) _Seifidel232: stop running your mouth
(12:12:57 AM) _Seifidel232: and go batch to jerking off you anime
(12:13:14 AM) treeform: /ignore _Seifidel232 CHAN
(12:13:34 AM) _Seifidel232: bitch
(12:27:46 AM) _Seifidel232 left the room (quit: Read error: EOF from client).
(1:01:54 AM) _Seifidel232 [~kjjkj@c-24-18-51-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] entered the room.
(1:02:02 AM) _Seifidel232: hoooome homme on the range
(1:02:10 AM) _Seifidel232: where the peewee and the stumpy play
(1:02:31 AM) _Seifidel232: WOULD YOU HATERS UNBAN ME OR WHAT
(1:05:31 AM) Phantasm: Nice flooding, _Seifidel232.
(1:05:53 AM) _Seifidel232: your no help either
(1:06:15 AM) Phantasm: If you really want, I can be of help getting you out of this channel.
(1:06:59 AM) _Seifidel232: woudlnt that be lowering yourself to my level
(1:07:13 AM) Phantasm: How is that?
(1:07:33 AM) _Seifidel232: sorry, peets level
(1:07:46 AM) _Seifidel232: because kicking peoepl out of channels because you disagree with them
(1:07:54 AM) _Seifidel232: is what american was found against.
(1:07:57 AM) _Seifidel232: lol
(1:08:57 AM) _Seifidel232: thanks for nothing douchebags
(1:09:00 AM) _Seifidel232 left the room.
(1:09:40 AM) Phantasm: I wonder if he is really calling 'not liking flooding' as such.. ;P
(1:31:37 AM) _Seifidel232 [~kjjkj@c-24-18-51-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] entered the room.
(1:31:47 AM) _Seifidel232: still nobody gonna unban me eh
(1:31:56 AM) _Seifidel232: thats fairly unappreciative.
(1:32:09 AM) _Seifidel232: you know when uf went down i was the first person to get a site up so people had somewhere to go
(1:32:17 AM) _Seifidel232: when clan-sy.com goes down
(1:32:22 AM) _Seifidel232: people come to my server to play
(1:32:42 AM) _Seifidel232: i am as dedicated if not more so than many people
(1:32:45 AM) _Seifidel232: to this community
(1:32:55 AM) _Seifidel232: but not if i get banned over stupid shit
(1:33:20 AM) _Seifidel232: resolve the problem or im out. might not be that big of a threat, but there it is.
(1:33:35 AM) _Seifidel232: keep in mind there are only 150 players
(1:34:41 AM) _Seifidel232: well hopefully one of you will unban me
(1:34:44 AM) _Seifidel232: gl hf
(1:34:46 AM) _Seifidel232 left the room.
(1:57:29 AM) _Seifidel232 [~kjjkj@c-24-18-51-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] entered the room.
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(6:46:41 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> satirik
(6:46:50 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> lurker
(6:47:15 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> why did you limit it to 1500 lines? was it the unicode support itself making it lag to hell when there were a lot of lines?
(6:47:25 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> yes
(6:47:31 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> not only utf8
(6:47:46 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> there were problems with scroll
(6:47:46 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> too
(6:47:54 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> 1500 is not enough ?
(6:48:04 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> meh, it works 95% of the time
(6:48:09 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> not complaining
(6:48:13 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> not that
(6:48:28 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> don't know when it occured exactly
(6:48:39 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> hmm
(6:48:54 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> but after a certain amount of text in the log the scroll just went up each time a new msg arrived
(6:49:02 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> yeah, I know
(6:49:16 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> i could add a regkey to customize it
(6:49:26 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> but 1500 is enough
(6:49:30 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> i think
(6:49:31 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> yes it is
(6:49:41 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> if anything, make a regkey for font :P
(6:50:03 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> what's wrong with this font ?
(6:50:43 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I don't even remember what font you switched it to...
(6:50:48 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> ?
(6:50:55 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> but it's fun to mess around with fonts, meh
(6:50:58 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> i didn't touch that
(6:51:04 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> find something I personally like more
(6:51:06 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> what?
(6:51:10 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> the font
(6:51:17 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> it's not fixedsys anymore, right?
(6:51:18 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> i didn't switch font
(6:51:35 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> screen shot
(6:51:51 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> what?
(6:52:02 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> to see if you have the same font than me
(6:52:07 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> Didn't you change the font when you added unicode?
(6:52:12 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> nop
(6:52:20 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> But fixedsys doesn't have unicode...
(6:52:32 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> yeah it changes the font itself
(6:52:46 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> 所有网页 like that
(6:53:00 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> k
(6:53:20 AM) MelBot: <[[ITER]]Satirik> k let's code !
(6:57:31 AM) _Seifidel232 [~kjjkj@c-24-18-51-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] entered the room.
(6:57:39 AM) _Seifidel232: still banned
(6:57:45 AM) _Seifidel232: and still unresolved
(6:57:47 AM) _Seifidel232: good job guys
(6:59:44 AM) lurker[]: So it wasn't you that logged in 10 minutes ago?
(7:00:02 AM) _Seifidel232: i wish
(7:00:09 AM) _Seifidel232: [t]sefidel
(7:00:09 AM) _Seifidel232: is me
(7:00:33 AM) _Seifidel232: i could bandodge but i shouldnt have to
(7:00:41 AM) _Seifidel232: which is why im bitching
(7:00:55 AM) _Seifidel232: i have 3 class c Address blocks, it woudnt be hard
(7:01:00 AM) _Seifidel232: its the PRINCIPAL of the matter
(7:01:54 AM) Phantasm: And if the ban is with account? Of course a new one can be made, but changing ip won't let in with banned account.
(7:02:16 AM) _Seifidel232: the account is irrelevant
(7:02:29 AM) _Seifidel232: my complaint is the manner in which i was banned
(7:02:35 AM) _Seifidel232: i could smurf/bandodge all day
(7:02:40 AM) _Seifidel232: but thats really lame
(7:02:42 AM) MelBot: <tombom> qu8ote me exactly what happened
(7:02:46 AM) MelBot: <tombom> put it on pastebin.ca or soemthing
(7:02:59 AM) _Seifidel232: i will post the exact conversation
(7:03:04 AM) _Seifidel232: even the rude shit i say
(7:03:05 AM) _Seifidel232: like nigger
(7:03:24 AM) _Seifidel232: im not arguing that my reaction is over the top
(7:03:30 AM) _Seifidel232: but its the 10th time peet has banned me
(7:03:47 AM) _Seifidel232: err muted me
(7:03:52 AM) Phantasm: I recall someone saying you had said "F&%$ YOU" like 50 times.
(7:04:01 AM) LcZ|Licho [~Licho@ip-89-102-11-18.karneval.cz] entered the room.
(7:04:03 AM) _Seifidel232: of course
(7:04:15 AM) _Seifidel232: after i was muted
(7:05:50 AM) lurker[]: <[t]Sefidel> dumbass
(7:05:50 AM) lurker[]: <Peet> Well hello there.
(7:05:50 AM) lurker[]: <[t]Sefidel> stfu peet
(7:05:50 AM) lurker[]: <Peet> How about we tone down the discussion a bit?
(7:05:50 AM) lurker[]: <[t]Sefidel> go ahead and ban me
(7:05:50 AM) lurker[]: * Channel message: <Peet> has muted <[t]Sefidel>
(7:06:00 AM) lurker[]: man, Peet was so out of line.
(7:06:20 AM) _Seifidel232: read before that
(7:06:31 AM) _Seifidel232: he was obviosuly about to mute me
(7:06:34 AM) _Seifidel232: so dont even play
(7:07:11 AM) lurker[]: scrolling up 20 minutes, I don't see a single line from peet
(7:07:24 AM) _Seifidel232: lurker, stop running your mouth
(7:07:27 AM) _Seifidel232: your not int his
(7:07:29 AM) _Seifidel232: so back off
(7:08:38 AM) MelBot: <tombom> quote me ten
(7:08:58 AM) lurker[]: http://pastebin.ca/979426
(7:09:24 AM) lurker[]: a petty argument, either one of you could have been muted, you literally asked for it, you got muted
(7:10:15 AM) _Seifidel232: lurker, see line above about not running your mouth
(7:11:02 AM) _Seifidel232: http://pastebin.ca/979431
(7:11:19 AM) _Seifidel232: should i call peet a nigger? probably not
(7:11:22 AM) _Seifidel232: but thats not the issue
(7:11:26 AM) _Seifidel232: it can be the NEXT issue
(7:11:36 AM) _Seifidel232: but the issue now is that peet mutes unreasonably
(7:11:45 AM) _Seifidel232: and i defend myself when attacked unjustly
(7:11:50 AM) _Seifidel232: didnt see anyone else get a mute
(7:11:57 AM) _Seifidel232: i always get the mute when i say anything i believe
(7:12:01 AM) _Seifidel232: or support
(7:12:15 AM) _Seifidel232: just because its pro american
(7:12:29 AM) lurker[]: So basically, you misunderstood why you were muted, flew off the handle spamming and insulting a moderator, and got the ban you asked for.
(7:12:29 AM) _Seifidel232: and if you guys cant see that there is an anti american sentiment around
(7:12:34 AM) _Seifidel232: then you are living in a dream world
(7:12:46 AM) _Seifidel232: lurker, line above
(7:12:50 AM) _Seifidel232: the one about running your mouth
(7:12:53 AM) _Seifidel232: READ IT
(7:13:02 AM) lurker[]: You got the mute because you told peet to stfu and ban you.
(7:13:23 AM) _Seifidel232: no i got the mute because peet is a hater
(7:13:25 AM) _Seifidel232: end of story
(7:13:33 AM) _Seifidel232: or must i pull up past reference examples
(7:13:35 AM) MelBot: <tombom> sefidel probably deserved a mute the least out of all those
(7:13:37 AM) _Seifidel232: of unfair mutes
(7:13:53 AM) _Seifidel232: im always the one who gets muted
(7:13:55 AM) _Seifidel232: like im the troll
(7:14:01 AM) _Seifidel232: but thats not how it ever goes down
(7:14:13 AM) _Seifidel232: none of the other moderators are dicks
(7:14:16 AM) _Seifidel232: just peet
(7:14:17 AM) lurker[]: It looks to me like both ironized and Sefidel did enough to deserve mutes.
(7:14:28 AM) _Seifidel232: fine lurker
(7:14:33 AM) _Seifidel232: lets say i deserve a mute
(7:14:38 AM) _Seifidel232: for not cussing or anything
(7:14:40 AM) _Seifidel232: cause if you read
(7:14:42 AM) _Seifidel232: i didnt
(7:14:43 AM) Phantasm: Imho the case isn't about the mute.. It is about what happened after that.
(7:14:54 AM) _Seifidel232: i disagree
(7:15:01 AM) _Seifidel232: you cant just deal with my reaction
(7:15:05 AM) _Seifidel232: thats a double negative
(7:15:09 AM) Phantasm: Even if a mod does something unjustified, there is no reason to do that.
(7:15:28 AM) _Seifidel232: yeah except im not gonna take some 17 year old mods shit
(7:15:28 AM) lurker[]: <[t]Sefidel> STOP RUNNING YOUR MOUTH ABOUT AMERICA BEFORE WE NUKE YOUR ASS
(7:15:28 AM) lurker[]: <[t]Sefidel> dumbass
(7:15:28 AM) lurker[]: <[t]Sefidel> stfu peet
(7:15:32 AM) lurker[]: no cussing at all.
(7:15:38 AM) lurker[]: oops
(7:15:43 AM) _Seifidel232: have you been nuked yet
(7:15:45 AM) lurker[]: missed on the first one
(7:15:46 AM) lurker[]: sorry
(7:15:54 AM) _Seifidel232: dumbass barely qualifies
(7:15:55 AM) Phantasm: You are to complain to someone higher about it. Not going all out on the one who did something to you.
(7:15:56 AM) lurker[]: copypasta hath failed me!
(7:16:06 AM) _Seifidel232: NONE OF YOU WILL DO SHIT ABOUT IT ANYWAYS
(7:16:27 AM) lurker[]: anyway
(7:16:33 AM) lurker[]: ironized cursed much more
(7:16:43 AM) lurker[]: both of you were stupidly arguing
(7:16:49 AM) _Seifidel232: THATS MY POINT
(7:16:50 AM) Phantasm: Based on your actions after the mute, the ban was all justified. If you want to complain about the mute, that is other case.
(7:16:57 AM) lurker[]: the mute wasn't for cursing
(7:17:03 AM) lurker[]: entirely
(7:17:19 AM) MelBot: <tombom> sefidel was a total retard after he got muted
(7:17:36 AM) _Seifidel232: thats dosnt excuse peet
(7:17:54 AM) _Seifidel232: i dont care if you guys side with peet over the ban
(7:17:57 AM) _Seifidel232: its the mute that is an issue
(7:18:03 AM) _Seifidel232: obvisoly i asked for the ban
(7:18:08 AM) MelBot: <tombom> i never side with peet
(7:18:10 AM) _Seifidel232: im not playing like iwas
(7:18:34 AM) _Seifidel232: never siding against him is the same thing tombom
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 1. loud petty argument in main
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 2. some cursing
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 3. mod says hi
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 4. insulting the mod and 'go ahead and ban me'
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 5. mute
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 6. spamming and insulting said mod
(7:18:39 AM) lurker[]: 7. ban
(7:18:58 AM) _Seifidel232: lurker
(7:18:59 AM) _Seifidel232: fuck off
(7:19:04 AM) _Seifidel232: he woudl have muted my anways
(7:19:06 AM) _Seifidel232: cause hes like that
(7:19:09 AM) _Seifidel232: so stop RUNING YOUR MOUTH
(7:19:24 AM) lurker[]: In your dream world where people are out to get you, perhaps.
(7:19:41 AM) _Seifidel232: ignored
(7:19:45 AM) _Seifidel232: for being a bitch
(7:20:49 AM) Phantasm: _Seifidel232: We don't know what he would have done if you didn't behave as you did. The case is about what you did and what pete did.
(7:20:58 AM) _Seifidel232: phantasm
(7:21:00 AM) _Seifidel232: do you know peet
(7:21:03 AM) Phantasm: Nope.
(7:21:04 AM) _Seifidel232: are you high
(7:21:08 AM) Phantasm: Nope.
(7:21:13 AM) _Seifidel232: peet always mutes unneccassarily
(7:21:21 AM) _Seifidel232: and just people he dosnt like
(7:21:27 AM) _Seifidel232: the only fair mods are kdr and neddie
(7:22:05 AM) Phantasm: Well, then he does. Complain to someone higher. Don't go on getting yourself banned for a reason and then whine about the ban.
(7:22:17 AM) _Seifidel232: dont give idiots power to ban
(7:22:21 AM) _Seifidel232: theres another solution
(7:22:38 AM) _Seifidel232: look i dont care how you resolve it. you will lose players if this continues
(7:22:43 AM) _Seifidel232: nobody likes the bullshit
(7:23:04 AM) _Seifidel232: and I DO contribute to the community
(7:23:07 AM) _Seifidel232: perhaps more than many
(7:23:14 AM) Phantasm: And to say, peet didn't do anything to anyone and you already did 'stfu peet' and 'go ahead and ban me'. Not that I decide anything, but that justifies mute imho.
(7:23:27 AM) _Seifidel232: he was about to mute me
(7:23:35 AM) _Seifidel232: it was pre-emptive
(7:23:38 AM) _Seifidel232: the american way
(7:23:55 AM) _Seifidel232: your fucked if you, and fucked if you dont
(7:23:58 AM) _Seifidel232: so i take the low road
(7:24:18 AM) Phantasm: Police: Why did you kill this man? You: He would have robbed me in 5 minutes had I not.
(7:24:30 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> So your whole argument against peet boild down to 'he would have muted me, which is why he's a bad mod'?
(7:24:35 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> *boils
(7:24:56 AM) _Seifidel232: my argument boils down to stfu
(7:24:58 AM) Phantasm: _Seifidel232: Complain to someone higher when peet does something unjustified, not when he does something justified.
(7:25:10 AM) _Seifidel232: nobody higher will do anything
(7:25:15 AM) _Seifidel232: so you stop running your mouth too
(7:25:27 AM) _Seifidel232: if any of you had any balls i would be unbanned by now
(7:26:09 AM) _Seifidel232: oh no, dont want to step on anyones toes
(7:26:12 AM) _Seifidel232: man up ladies.
(7:26:26 AM) _Seifidel232: or man up and kick me from clan sy irc
(7:26:28 AM) _Seifidel232: either way
(7:26:35 AM) _Seifidel232: but make a decision so i can move on to phase 2
(7:26:38 AM) MelBot: <tombom> nobody here is an op or mod
(7:26:42 AM) MelBot: <tombom> what is phase 2
(7:26:52 AM) _Seifidel232: phase 2 is my UNMODERATED SPRING LOBBY
(7:26:58 AM) _Seifidel232: at springplayersclub.com
(7:27:03 AM) _Seifidel232: unmoderated>moderated.
(7:27:07 AM) Phantasm: Unmoderated won't work.
(7:27:10 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> we've had that before
(7:27:15 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> one time on a backup server
(7:27:18 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> no one had op
(7:27:29 AM) Phantasm: There will always be people who will make havoc and will kill the place eventually.
(7:27:35 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> #main was spammed so much the connection got saturated
(7:27:50 AM) _Seifidel232: well if i cant play in an enviroment
(7:27:53 AM) _Seifidel232: i will create my own
(7:28:07 AM) Phantasm: _Seifidel232: You could play just fine if you didn't beg for that ban.
(7:28:11 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> you asked for the ban. you can *play* perfectly well when muted
(7:28:13 AM) _Seifidel232: i will just write a autohost bot... i believe source is available
(7:28:43 AM) _Seifidel232: peet was looking for an excuse to mute me
(7:28:51 AM) _Seifidel232: you guys are living in a dream world if you believe otherwise
(7:28:56 AM) _Seifidel232: he dislikes my pro american viewpoints
(7:28:58 AM) _Seifidel232: end of story
(7:29:14 AM) _Seifidel232: i dont want to hang out somewhere where its ok for EVERYONE else to talk shit about my country
(7:29:19 AM) _Seifidel232: and then i cant defend myself
(7:29:32 AM) _Seifidel232: need i show examples? i think i could sway you to my side if you saw them
(7:29:37 AM) _Seifidel232: its very, very obvious.
(7:30:00 AM) Phantasm: Go with proof to someone higher and I'm sure something will be done.
(7:30:02 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I think they would help.
(7:30:19 AM) _Seifidel232: i am not so unstable that i dont fly off the handle for no reason
(7:31:27 AM) MelBot: <tombom> the chatlogs would disagree
(7:36:56 AM) _Seifidel232: bandodge is boring
(7:41:49 AM) FarleShadow [~notrly@ACBCFA50.ipt.aol.com] entered the room.
(7:42:18 AM) _Seifidel232: stilll banned
(7:42:30 AM) FarleShadow: No nukes! no nukes! no nukes! (except iran)
(7:48:49 AM) _Seifidel232: ALSO
(7:48:52 AM) _Seifidel232: fucking peet
(7:48:56 AM) _Seifidel232: removed my forum post
(7:48:59 AM) _Seifidel232: saying i was banned
(7:49:05 AM) _Seifidel232: why the fuck should he be able to do
(7:49:06 AM) _Seifidel232: that
(7:51:59 AM) MelBot: <tombom> did you insult him in it
(7:52:04 AM) _Seifidel232: no
(7:52:12 AM) _Seifidel232: other than to say he shoudlnt be a mod
(7:52:16 AM) _Seifidel232: but i didnt say he was a bitch or anything
(7:52:21 AM) _Seifidel232: it was entirely approriate
(7:52:29 AM) _Seifidel232: normal request to be unbanned
(7:52:32 AM) _Seifidel232: with side notes
(7:53:39 AM) _Seifidel232: how can i go through proper channels
(7:53:45 AM) _Seifidel232: if my information is being removed
(7:54:23 AM) MelBot: <tombom> pm swiftspear
(7:55:03 AM) _Seifidel232: he hates me too
(7:55:05 AM) _Seifidel232: im fucked
(7:55:11 AM) _Seifidel232: same problem
(7:55:13 AM) _Seifidel232: anti american
(7:56:02 AM) lurker[]: <[WarC]SwiftSpear> I'd really rather you didn't just toss threads like that to spam box
(7:56:02 AM) lurker[]: <[WarC]SwiftSpear> maby it's just me, but I think moderators should have to justify thier actions if asked to
(7:56:02 AM) lurker[]: <Peet> Is there anything to discuss? :\ <here's where I would paste the logs from before if windows wasnt being fail>
(7:56:02 AM) lurker[]: <Peet> but yeah this incident was easier to judge than the ones with aeon :P
(7:56:02 AM) lurker[]: <Peet> And he still seems to think I banned him for his pro-american views :\
(7:57:26 AM) FarleShadow: lal
(7:57:41 AM) MelBot: <tombom> lurker do you have access to the mod channel or something
(7:58:09 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> no I do not
(7:58:18 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> sefi, you still have me on ignore then?
(7:58:27 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <[WarC]SwiftSpear> I'd really rather you didn't just toss threads like that to spam box
(7:58:31 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <[WarC]SwiftSpear> maby it's just me, but I think moderators should have to justify thier actions if asked to
(7:58:35 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <Peet> Is there anything to discuss? :\ <here's where I would paste the logs from before if windows wasnt being fail>
(7:58:36 AM) FarleShadow: err
(7:58:40 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <Peet> but yeah this incident was easier to judge than the ones with aeon :P
(7:58:46 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <Peet> And he still seems to think I banned him for his pro-american views :\
(7:58:50 AM) _Seifidel232: i already pasted unedited logs
(7:58:51 AM) FarleShadow: copypasta?
(7:58:54 AM) _Seifidel232: just admit your a hater
(7:58:57 AM) _Seifidel232: man up
(7:58:58 AM) _Seifidel232: and say
(7:59:00 AM) _Seifidel232: i hate you sefi
(7:59:04 AM) _Seifidel232: thats all it takes
(7:59:06 AM) _Seifidel232: come on
(7:59:07 AM) _Seifidel232: you can do it
(7:59:46 AM) _Seifidel232: peet and war
(7:59:49 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> (that was 8 hours ago)
(7:59:49 AM) _Seifidel232: admit you hate on americans
(7:59:58 AM) _Seifidel232: stop pussy footing around it
(8:00:10 AM) MelBot: <tombom> dude i don't think it has anything to do with that
(8:00:25 AM) _Seifidel232: http://pastebin.ca/979475
(8:00:27 AM) FarleShadow: what's with the pasta?
(8:00:32 AM) _Seifidel232: swiftwpear hating on america
(8:00:39 AM) _Seifidel232: OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE
(8:00:44 AM) _Seifidel232: im not just making this shit up
(8:01:09 AM) _Seifidel232: and peet i dont deserve a mute or a ban
(8:01:13 AM) _Seifidel232: you just abuse your powers
(8:01:27 AM) MelBot: <tombom> <[t]Sefidel> STFU YOU STUPID BITCH
(8:01:29 AM) MelBot: <tombom> unjustified
(8:01:30 AM) MelBot: <tombom> truly
(8:01:32 AM) FarleShadow: lol
(8:01:41 AM) _Seifidel232: thats how we express ourselves in my part of the world
(8:01:42 AM) _Seifidel232: hater
(8:01:45 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> aww, beat my by 2 seconds
(8:01:48 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> *me
(8:01:57 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> your part of the world?
(8:01:59 AM) MelBot: <tombom> this has got t
(8:02:03 AM) MelBot: <tombom> to be some bizarre troll
(8:02:08 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> you in redneck land somewhere?
(8:02:10 AM) _Seifidel232: so that deserves a ban
(8:02:14 AM) MelBot: <tombom> he really thinks everyone hates him because he's american
(8:02:15 AM) _Seifidel232: fucking peet has it out for me
(8:02:21 AM) _Seifidel232: 1)
(8:02:21 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> uhh
(8:02:28 AM) _Seifidel232: 1)people talk shit about america
(8:02:33 AM) _Seifidel232: 2) i defend america
(8:02:36 AM) _Seifidel232: 3) i get muted
(8:02:53 AM) MelBot: <tombom> yeah whatever
(8:02:56 AM) _Seifidel232: regardless of what i did after that
(8:02:59 AM) _Seifidel232: its not right
(8:03:00 AM) _Seifidel232: haters
(8:03:08 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> give one example
(8:03:11 AM) _Seifidel232: unban me and we can all go back to playing spring
(8:03:14 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> where you didn't start screming
(8:03:16 AM) _Seifidel232: I JUST DID
(8:03:18 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> didn't curse
(8:03:22 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> didn't insult people
(8:03:26 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> no you didn't
(8:03:31 AM) _Seifidel232: well definately not right now
(8:03:32 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> <[t]Sefidel> STFU YOU STUPID BITCH
(8:03:33 AM) _Seifidel232: you silly bitch
(8:03:35 AM) _Seifidel232: so fuck off
(8:03:46 AM) FarleShadow: lol
(8:03:48 AM) _Seifidel232: your not even in this
(8:03:49 AM) MelBot: <tombom> a paragon of patience
(8:04:04 AM) _Seifidel232: just an opinionated little bitch with no reason to have one
(8:04:06 AM) _Seifidel232: so stfu
(8:04:20 AM) _Seifidel232: if you dont have a fucking hammer next to your name, your not in this
(8:04:22 AM) FarleShadow: Actually Ironized cursed long before sef did in the log
(8:04:31 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> yes that time
(8:04:38 AM) _Seifidel232: so why didnt he get muted
(8:04:42 AM) _Seifidel232: i get treated un fairly
(8:04:43 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> Ironized could have easily been muted too
(8:04:46 AM) _Seifidel232: so i overeact
(8:04:48 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> he didn't tell a mod to stfu
(8:04:49 AM) _Seifidel232: like any human beijng
(8:04:50 AM) MelBot: <tombom> yeah that was unfair
(8:04:50 AM) FarleShadow: But he didn't
(8:04:54 AM) MelBot: <tombom> peet is dumb i do agree
(8:04:58 AM) FarleShadow: Clearly unfair
(8:04:58 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> he did say 'ban me'
(8:05:02 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> didn't*
(8:05:09 AM) _Seifidel232: ban!=mute
(8:05:10 AM) _Seifidel232: dumbass
(8:05:22 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> the point is you were taunting a mod
(8:05:28 AM) FarleShadow: lol
(8:05:31 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> who had just come in to get people to calm down
(8:05:44 AM) FarleShadow: So suddenly moderators are perfect saints?
(8:06:38 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> no, but you don't tell one to stfu when they say "How about we tone down the discussion a bit?"
(8:06:40 AM) MelBot: <tombom> no, he most likely came in to randomly mute some people and then ignore #main and pretend he's done his job
(8:06:50 AM) FarleShadow: What tombom said
(8:07:22 AM) FarleShadow: Oh boo hoo, a moderator can't take alittle flak?
(8:07:39 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> not the point
(8:07:46 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> it's not that you're bothing the mod
(8:07:56 AM) MelBot: <tombom> it is
(8:08:07 AM) MelBot: <tombom> because peet only muted the person who said stfu to him
(8:08:11 AM) MelBot: <tombom> ignoring all the other people
(8:08:19 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> it's that when a mod comes in to calm the conversation when it's getting out of hand, you don't start causing trouble
(8:08:33 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> sefidel was troublemaking
(8:08:36 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> he got muted
(8:08:38 AM) FarleShadow: You can already see two other people insulting Sefi before peet butts in, yet they remained unmuted
(8:08:53 AM) MelBot: <tombom> to be fair, loads of other people were being ridiculous saying ALL AMERICANS ARE DUMB
(8:08:56 AM) MelBot: <tombom> and assorted crap
(8:08:58 AM) FarleShadow: Yep
(8:09:04 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> because they stopped when peet said to
(8:09:15 AM) MelBot: <tombom> rirrggghttt
(8:09:32 AM) FarleShadow: Sure
(8:09:37 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> looking at the log here
(8:09:43 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I don't see any more insults
(8:09:59 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> stupid conversation, yes
(8:10:01 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> insults, no
(8:10:38 AM) FarleShadow: Yet, for the part they played, they were not muted
(8:10:53 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I don't believe sefidel was muted for the part he played
(8:11:07 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I'm pretty sure it was the mocking of the mod who had come in to try to calm things
(8:11:46 AM) FarleShadow: I'm pretty sure that a moderator should be able to take alittle flak in a patently heated argument
(8:12:13 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> the moderator wasn't part of the argument
(8:12:52 AM) FarleShadow: The fact he entered into the conversation is sufficient
(8:13:22 AM) FarleShadow: Wait a second
(8:13:27 AM) FarleShadow: Are you a mod?
(8:13:36 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> he wasn't 'entering the conversation', he was reminding people of the moderator presence and to calm down
(8:13:39 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> no I am not
(8:13:48 AM) FarleShadow: Then why are you arguing the toss?
(8:14:17 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> why are you arguing?
(8:14:52 AM) FarleShadow: Because I play with Sefidel and see this ban as clearly unfair
(8:15:45 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> Well I'm arguing because I know Peet pretty well and I see the mute as reasonably fair.
(8:15:57 AM) FarleShadow: except I'm not arguing the mute
(8:16:02 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> but you think the ban itself is unfair?
(8:16:08 AM) FarleShadow: Of course
(8:16:15 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> for massively insult-spamming in PM?
(8:16:18 AM) FarleShadow: The mute is also unfair, but that is a side issue
(8:16:50 AM) FarleShadow: Peet can't be insulted?
(8:17:02 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> uhh
(8:17:05 AM) FarleShadow: So what you are saying is that a member of spring can be flamed
(8:17:09 AM) FarleShadow: But a mod can't
(8:17:12 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> no
(8:17:21 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I'm saying no one can be pm-spammed that way
(8:17:29 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> mods are not an exception
(8:17:36 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> you can't do it to them either
(8:17:48 AM) FarleShadow: But instead of resolving this issue, he instead bans sef
(8:18:03 AM) FarleShadow: A moderator should resolve the issue, I believe, than just outright ban
(8:18:12 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> resolve what issue?
(8:18:17 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> sefidel feeling mistreated?
(8:18:31 AM) FarleShadow: The PM spam
(8:18:47 AM) FarleShadow: If it was anyone else, they would need to contact a moderator to resolve it
(8:18:53 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> the pm spam was a way of sefidel to attack someone trying to do his job as moderator
(8:19:40 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> you don't think another moderator could have acted the way peet did?
(8:20:02 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> 'a mod just muted you in main, and you attacked them, you're going to be banned for a while'
(8:20:02 AM) FarleShadow: Well I would hope that the moderators would try and calm down that person before outright banning someone
(8:20:23 AM) FarleShadow: Moderators are 'supposed' to moderate, are they not?
(8:22:47 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> let me do this from peet's perspective
(8:22:56 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> sefidel said that this was the tenth time peet's muted him
(8:23:05 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> so that classifies him a repeat troublemaker
(8:23:17 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> then he's being troublesome in main
(8:23:19 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> gets muted
(8:23:26 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> and goes crazy, attacking in pm
(8:23:28 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> banned
(8:24:00 AM) FarleShadow: That's nice.
(8:24:42 AM) _Seifidel232: hey peet and swiftspear
(8:24:44 AM) FarleShadow: But I'm tired of this diplomatic stuff when the person I'm arguing with isn't even attached to either the issue nor the moderators in general
(8:24:46 AM) _Seifidel232: i wasnt done with you
(8:24:59 AM) _Seifidel232: feel free to debate reasonably
(8:25:13 AM) _Seifidel232: but you guys will probably not respond
(8:25:17 AM) _Seifidel232: thats fine
(8:25:23 AM) _Seifidel232: maybe i deserved the mute
(8:25:26 AM) _Seifidel232: and maybe a kick
(8:25:27 AM) FarleShadow: !help
(8:25:29 AM) _Seifidel232: but a ban
(8:25:36 AM) _Seifidel232: people PM spam every day
(8:25:48 AM) _Seifidel232: nobody gets banned pm spam
(8:25:48 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> yeah, he should have just kicked you
(8:26:00 AM) _Seifidel232: why should moderators have special priviledges
(8:26:04 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> if this incident is all that matters
(8:26:11 AM) _Seifidel232: he resolved it inappropriately.
(8:26:18 AM) _Seifidel232: the fact of the matter is
(8:26:21 AM) _Seifidel232: it dosnt deserve a ban
(8:26:26 AM) _Seifidel232: even you must see that
(8:26:31 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> sefidel
(8:26:34 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> peet is not here
(8:26:38 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> swiftspear is not here
(8:26:45 AM) _Seifidel232: not in tasclient anymore
(8:26:46 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I was quoting something from many hours ago
(8:26:50 AM) _Seifidel232: ffs tell me this stuff
(8:26:55 AM) MelBot: <[Evo]lurker> I did.
(8:27:38 AM) _Seifidel232: more to the point
(8:27:42 AM) _Seifidel232: peet could /ignore me
(8:27:44 AM) _Seifidel232: if he wanted
(8:27:47 AM) _Seifidel232: like everyone has to
(9:06:35 AM) FarleShadow left the room (quit: Quit).
(9:07:33 AM) _Seifidel232: TX FOR NO HELP GUYS
(9:07:34 AM) _Seifidel232: APPRECIATED
(9:18:44 AM) det [~chris@ip68-108-105-64.lv.lv.cox.net] entered the room.
(9:26:01 AM) tvo: looking at the irc backlog the ban seems fine
(9:26:53 AM) _Seifidel232: tx for your no opinion