<Ragamufin> what is the largest difference between Steve Greggs view and James Whites?
<AOMwrkg> uhh
<Ragnar> I don't like the term "norwegian lutheran" put on me though. Because that means that I accept gay marriage, denies the resurrection and goes to U2-services on sundays
<AOMwrkg> wow
<Sue> uhhhh
<Nina^`^> Sue ... naw nothing that populated ..lol
<AOMwrkg> I am still trying to nail down Steve's worldview
<AOMwrkg> so I really can't answer that
<CThomas> I'm sorry but I think Steve Gregg is a great man.
<Sue> lol, gotcha nina
* Nina^`^ getting out of big city
<Ragamufin> is it about free will/
<AOMwrkg> he seems to see those who embrace systematic theology as idealogues..............
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<yoopertrol> Dr.Whites view is biblical, Greggs view is more a mtter of opinion
<AOMwrkg> I think it is deeper than that
<AOMwrkg> much
<CThomas> You guys may disagree with Gregg on important issues of theology, but if you look at his life and work I think you'll see that he deserves your respect.
<Sue> Gregg seemed to be denying original sin too....was that the case AOM?
<AOMwrkg> Steve has a presupposition when he comes to the issue of religion......but as of yet......I can't tell what it is
<Nina^`^> Sue , have u been to Arkansas?
<AOMwrkg> CT: you could say that of a lot of men
<AOMwrkg> it isn't the point
<CThomas> And I would.
<CThomas> It's my point.
<Sue> no I haven't Nina, but Lord willing I might go visit my brother sometime in may or june
<AOMwrkg> well, I don't buy it
<MicahLrx> CT, he's completely sidetracked the meaning of Romans, imo
<MicahLrx> no truly evangelical church teaches Romans the way he believes it reads
<AOMwrkg> you could raise up Mother Theresa much higher.......
<AOMwrkg> if that is your standard
<CThomas> I'm still working through those issues, so I'm not going to defend him.
<AOMwrkg> but she is still in hell
<MicahLrx> indeed
<CThomas> Do you think Gregg is hell-bound?
<Nina^`^> Sue ... lemme dig up a website that has a beautiful video of the mountains :)
* Ragnar edits the intro of DL and gets:
<Ragnar> I don't like Gregg, because he has chosen to follow Arminius, instead of Jesus Christ, I have a problem with him, he is following men, instead of the Word of God!
<Sue> ok nina!
<MicahLrx> AOMwrkg, there's a new catholic book out, on M. Theresa that supposes the same thing.
<MicahLrx> lol Ragnar. ;)
<AOMwrkg> I wouldn't even want to judge the man's heart
<ChrisLC> lol Ragnar
<AOMwrkg> its not my place
* Cearnaigh wonders what other people are most certainly in hell.
<yoopertrol> no, but I do think he's confused and immature, CT
* Cearnaigh just saw one heart judged
<CThomas> Then the analogy to Mother Theresa may not hold.
<doulos> I would say Arminianism though greatly effects sanctification... I would think if you think Steve Gregg is "great" I woul say he would even be GREATER if he had a better theology.
<Ragamufin> AOMwrkg, didnt you just judge mother Teresa's heart?
<Nina^`^> SUE : http://www.talimenascenicdrive.com/virtual_tour.html
<AOMwrkg> pay close attention to what I am about to say..................
<Nina^`^> Watch that!!!!!
<AOMwrkg> ok?
<MicahLrx> Cearnaigh, Mohammed?
<AOMwrkg> pls?
<CThomas> Good point, Ragamuffin.
<AOMwrkg> hello?
<MicahLrx> We judged mother theresa on the basis of her words, and her actions, not upon "her heart"
<Sue> thanks nina
* Cearnaigh made that point first.
<AOMwrkg> I want your attention
<Cearnaigh> ;)
<CThomas> My bad.
<AOMwrkg> hmm
<doulos> from the mouth flow the issues of the heart...
<AOMwrkg> I guess I am off in the weeds
<MicahLrx> yell aom
<Cearnaigh> I am reading you
* ChrisLC waits for AOMIN
<Cearnaigh> I can see you through said weeds
<AOMwrkg> ok
<MicahLrx> lol
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<RazorsKiss> weeds!
<Sue> carla!
<Lane> Hey, Carla!
<AOMwrkg> I know what Mother Theresa believed......and WHY SHE BELIEVED IT
<Nina^`^> hi carla
* ChrisLC hands RK some weed.
* Cearnaigh gets out his weed-wacker
<ChrisLC> weeds*
<AOMwrkg> I have a pretty good idea what Steve believes
<ChrisLC> weeds*!
<johnMark> Wow, did we crash the forums? http://www.wvss.com/forumc/viewtopic.php?t=2417&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&sid=c32b9ab42180af288024c887041a83be
<AOMwrkg> BUT I HAVEN'T A CLUE WHY HE BELIEVES IT
<Sue> Chris.....ahhhh
<MicahLrx> jm, i think so
<Carla> hiya folks
<johnMark> Carla, hola.
<AOMwrkg> that is the dividing line here
<Ragnar> Okay, so the time is 8 pm here, and I have a pretty big physics-test tomorrow. I have not been able to study yet, because I have been listening to DL. And now I can't get myself to leave the channel... What do I do?
<AOMwrkg> nott what you do
<AOMwrkg> but what you believe and why
<MicahLrx> Ragnar, log off and go to bed.
<RazorsKiss> Ragnar: Click the x!
<Sue> ragnar...Welcome to my life!
<johnMark> Or in Canadian - hola, aay
<MicahLrx> or study
<MicahLrx> ;)
* ENielsen has kicked Ragnar from #prosapologian (You just did it. :-))
<Lane> Man, the Expelled movie website must be getting high traffic.
<Lane> I can barely get in.
<RazorsKiss> haha
<Nina^`^> Sue ...we will be living in the area on that video .. found a good 5point baptist church there as well :)
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<MicahLrx> click the X its XTRA
<doulos> Drink some Red Bull Rags
<yoopertrol> I believe Greggs heart is in the right place, his mind how ever is elswhere
<Lane> www.expelledthemovie.com
<Sue> no way nina! thats awesome.....beautiful vid too
<Cearnaigh> I think that what AO is trying to express is that he has a basic understanding as to what it is Mr. Greg believes, but that he can't see that what Mr. Gregg believes is based upon a consistent exegesis of the Bible.
<AOMwrkg> CT: do you get where I am coming from?
<Ragnar> Red Bull is not sold in Norway
<CThomas> Sure, I have no objection to it.
<AOMwrkg> ok..........
<Ragamufin> AOMwrkg, exactly why is she in hell?
<CThomas> I just think he's a great guy.
<MicahLrx> yesterday, Gregg expressed a nearly fully-pelagian view of Scripture
<AOMwrkg> uhh, because she embraced a false gospel?
* doulos mails Ragnar some Red Bull FedEx...
<Nina^`^> Sue ...we got a house that needs remodeled for under 5k..10 min from the mountains
<AOMwrkg> thought she could earn her way into heaven?
<doulos> Lane... when is it coming out?
<RazorsKiss> and Gregg doesn't cogently express it in any way. It's opinion driven, regardless of his claims that it's scripture driven. Exegesis apparently means something entirely different to him, when he says it.
<Cearnaigh> Ragamuffin: Because she was a reprobate...
<Lane> 18th
<AOMwrkg> shall I go on?
<Ragnar> seriously dolous, if you would do that, it would be great!
<Ragamufin> so all Catholics are going to hell?
<AOMwrkg> did I say that?
<Ragnar> Nedre Svartberget 6, 7300 Orkanger, Norway
<Sue> wow, thats soon! i'm going to treat myself to a movie for my birthday lol...expelled it is
<Ragnar> gogo!
<AOMwrkg> pls don't put word in my mouth
* RazorsKiss excommunicates Ragamufin
<CThomas> Expelled is a great movie.
<doulos> that would cost a million dollars...
<Cearnaigh> Raga: All the reprobate are going to hell... Catholic or otherwise...
<Ragamufin> AOMwrkg, no, i am trying to understand
<CThomas> Sproul interviewed Ben Stein recently.
<Ragnar> doulos: yeah! A million dollars... sure...
* Cearnaigh just won Ben Stein's money
<AOMwrkg> look.....many RCC come to Christ.........in spite of the RCC
<AOMwrkg> not because of it
* doulos nods
<Ragnar> or, on second though, considering the looooow value of the dollar for the moment, that is probable
<Sue> Nina, no wonder you are moving there then!
* doulos lol at rags
<AOMwrkg> and in time.....though they resist it.....they will be driven out......for light shall not have fellowship with darkness
<yoopertrol> Exegesis requires the ability to obey scripture rather than follow your feelings
<doulos> gotta go make the bacon cheese burgers....
<Ragnar> thought*
<Carla> http://carlarolfe.blogspot.com/2008/04/debate.html my thoughts on this debate with SG, for what they're worth
<Nina^`^> Sue ... and a great lil country church ..we feel so blessed
<CThomas> But nobody thinks they are engaging in eisegesis.
<Cearnaigh> So far as I understand Reformed theology... no one is saved because of theology, but because of an unconditional divine decree
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<AOMwrkg> CT: the evidence shows the truth
<AOMwrkg> it is a black and white practice
<Cearnaigh> Of course no one thinks they are engaging in eisogesis... otherwise they wouldn't do it
<Sue> thats awesome Nina. I found a great country baptist calivinistic church when i moved here (gainesville) 9 months ago. Changed my life completely so i know what you mean by the blessing :)
<AOMwrkg> RCC's use the same excuse btw
<johnMark> Wow, that site just won't load.
<AOMwrkg> CT: I don't want to forget this............
<Sue> by doulos!
<Sue> eat a cheeseburger for me!
<AOMwrkg> there are some over at TNP forum who........................concern me
<CThomas> I'm listening.
<stvgrgafk> will do... that means 4 for me now! Thanks... I'll eat some chips for you also..
<Nina^`^> Sue ... save that link ... maybe make a drive over there ..theres a lodge up on the mountain top , Queen Wilheimina state park