<@TheFluff> interactii: start talking to me
<interactii> TheFluff: whats up
<@TheFluff> please tell me that h264 in avi thing is a troll (the muxing with windows movie maker kind of was a hint but still)
<interactii> Its not.
<interactii> Thats the new format.
<@TheFluff> ok
<interactii> Why?
<@TheFluff> please tell me your reasoning
<interactii> Of what portion?
<interactii> Codec? Container?
<@TheFluff> why you chose avi as the container
<@TheFluff> codec doesn't interest me
<interactii> There was no reason to pick anything else really
<interactii> We concidered MKV
<interactii> but then people would bitch that we wern't using the VFR that the show really needs
<interactii> and we aren't ready to transition to vfr yet.
<interactii> Whats wrong with AVI?
<@TheFluff> a) you don't look more retarded than you already are, b) mkv or mp4 works better on hardware players and pretty much everywhere else too, c) you can use a few features that doesn't work in avi
<@TheFluff> it can be very funny to try to unbreak a h264 in avi file
<@TheFluff> also since when do you care about people bitching
<interactii> Well, its more self-bitching
<interactii> because I'd feel obligated to fix it if we could.
<@TheFluff> just fyi you can do vfr in avi too, 120fps
<@TheFluff> why not, if you're already abusing the format this much
<interactii> How is H264 in AVI abuse?
<@TheFluff> it's an even uglier hack than, say, xvid in avi with b-frames is
<@TheFluff> wait you didn't use b-frames did you
06* @TheFluff goes to check the darkhold logs
<interactii> I'm honestly not that involved in the encoding stuff.
<interactii> timecop handles most of it
<interactii> But we haven't had problems helping anyone to get it playing
<@TheFluff> I though timecop was a lot less retarded than this
<@TheFluff> with the settings he's using he'd be pretty much almost as well off with xvid
<interactii> well you are welcome to talk to him about it
<@TheFluff> yep, no b-frames, one reference
06* Kuri` has heard alot of testamonies as to timecops retardedness
<@TheFluff> then it's ok to put it in avi but lawl
06* Kuri` that is all
<@TheFluff> Kuri`: he's a lot less dumb than he pretends to be
<interactii> So whats the problem then?
<interactii> ^_^
<@TheFluff> interactii: there's no problems with putting it in avi if you're not using b-frames but the thing is that with these settings h264 is quite possibly LESS efficient than xvid is
<@TheFluff> good job there, guys
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/imagemacros/emot-cripesduck.gif
<interactii> well we did a test encode with XVID at the same filesize
<interactii> and it looked far worse.
<@TheFluff> was he using the same settings
<@TheFluff> also why is he using windows movie maker to mux it
<@TheFluff> by the way I will test this and I'm pretty damn sure you're wrong
<Nicholi> lol...using h.264 without b-frames...talk about being smrt
<zkx> might as well just do it right with b-frames and mp4 container
<@TheFluff> interactii: who made the container decision, a non-encoder or timecop
<Nicholi> plenty of reasons to use mkv...aside from vfr
<@TheFluff> because if a non-encoder did it then timecop might have done it with 0 b-frames just to make it relatively non-broken
<Nicholi> audio codec, chapters, segment linking
<zkx> yeah, mkv would be fine too
<Nicholi> i mean jeese...why upgrade the video...and not the audio
03* neo2001|aw is now known as neo2001
<Nicholi> since DB is all hardsubs...you could at least do H.264 in MP4
<zkx> yeah, standalone players should support mp4+h264 more than mkv
<@Dansolo> You can hardsub MKV....
<@Dansolo> I hardsub my MKVs
<Nicholi> then all the consolefags could play the releases
<Nicholi> Dansolo course course
<zkx> yeah, consoles too
<@TheFluff> 18:30:29 <@Dansolo> I hardsub my MKVs <--- yes but you are also a huge fag
<Nicholi> lol
<@Dansolo> that's not what you told me last night
<Nicholi> H.264+AAC in MP4...could still do chapters too
<@Dansolo> Also, I use Vorbis
<Nicholi> i'm quite positive all DB releases are sekretly troll releases :3
<@Dansolo> because it is teh win
<zkx> not many people care about chapters tho
<@Dansolo> Chapters are great
<Nicholi> only the people that haven't been awakened to their awesomeness yet
<@Dansolo> I just released the first file I've done in a while WITHOUT them
<Nicholi> show them how to use it...and they'll go ZOMG...i don't have to seek forward EVERY OPENING
<@Dansolo> 'cause there was no op or anything anyway~
<zkx> i'd like chapters for maybe skipping the opening and ending songs
<Nicholi> zkx exactly
<Nicholi> really only 1 chapter point is the important one...the others are just nice extras
<zkx> da
<Nicholi> intro/opening/ending/preview
<Nicholi> and main episode chapter
<@TheFluff> http://pastebin.com/d38a8ec9f <--- settings used by the way
<Nicholi> TheFluff are those confirmed by a decoder or just what was found from hexedit ?
<Nicholi> since we know previous releases listed WMM as muxing application lulz :P
<@TheFluff> that's just the x264 header
<Nicholi> could easily be edited since its superfluous info
<@TheFluff> that is true
<Nicholi> wow...1 ref frame and no b-frames
<@TheFluff> but I'm not going to download it to check
<Nicholi> if its true, its lulz
<@TheFluff> also with these settings x264 encodes about 50% faster than xvid
<@TheFluff> even more actually
<Skyward> TheFluff: that post is gonna die in a few hrs, I only set it to retain for a day :|
<Nicholi> not sure who to read Shikari's new VAQ...
<@TheFluff> Skyward: so repost it
<Nicholi> strength 1.0 and sensitivity 2?
<Nicholi> if thats right....dayuummmm
<@TheFluff> mode 2, strength 1.0
<Nicholi> ahhh mode 2
<Nicholi> thats right he completely removed sensitivity didn't he ?
<@TheFluff> (ps Skyward if you still have the file feel free to analyze it with some kind of other tool)
<Skyward> unfortunatly, I don't. I only downloaded the header to see if rumors were true
<Skyward> already deleted it too
<Nicholi> i find the settings hard to believe....
<@TheFluff> hmm I just did said test encode and the difference is pretty damn small between h264 and xvid
<Nicholi> most likely trolling...otherwise DB has seriously dipped in technical aptitude
<Nicholi> me=hex with no b-frames? come on now :P
<Skyward> I beleve me defaults to hex, no?
<Nicholi> prolly
<Skyward> yeah it does
<Nicholi> like i said...either trolling or extremely low lvls of technical aptitude :P
<@TheFluff> this is pretty interesting, with these settings h264 is very very similar to xvid
<@TheFluff> but the aq does interesting things
<@TheFluff> xvid looks better in some scenes because it handles blocking better, x264 on the other hand has less noise but smooths backgrounds in a rather annoying way
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_001_h264.png
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_001_xvid.png
<@TheFluff> compare those two for example
<@TheFluff> note how the reddish wall in the background is all smoothed in the h264 version
<@TheFluff> also note how a lot of small details on the mechas are better preserved in the xvid version
<@TheFluff> on the other hand the xvid version looks a bit noisier
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_002_h264.png
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_002_xvid.png
<@TheFluff> another shot where xvid is more detailed than h264
<@TheFluff> fix your connection hoser
<@TheFluff> what was my last line you saw Nicholi
<Kuukunen> handpicking random frames where xvid beats x264 is pretty much useless tho... maybe the xvid frame is i-frame that takes four times the size of the x264 frame
<interactii> TheFluff: That mux string is faked of course, we use AVIMux
<@TheFluff> hurf blurf durf what makes you think I didn't actually watch both clips Kuukunen
<@TheFluff> interactii: ok
<Kuukunen> I'm just saying... :x
<@TheFluff> so did you fake the x264 settings string too or what
<@TheFluff> Nicholi: ping
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_003_h264.png
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_003_xvid.png
<Nicholi> TheFluff so in essence...they are trying to make h.264 as useless as possible?
<Nicholi> pong
<@TheFluff> in a mostly static scene like this one though they're pretty much exactly the same
<@TheFluff> yes
<@TheFluff> what was the last line of mine you saw
<Nicholi> the reddish wall bit
<@TheFluff> 8:49:11 <@TheFluff> also note how a lot of small details on the mechas are better preserved in the xvid version
<@TheFluff> 18:49:36 <@TheFluff> on the other hand the xvid version looks a bit noisier
<@TheFluff> 18:49:57 <@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_002_h264.png
<@TheFluff> 18:50:00 <@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_002_xvid.png
<@TheFluff> 18:50:06 <@TheFluff> another shot where xvid is more detailed than h264
<Kuukunen> also, hurf durf, saying h264 vs xvid is silly... it's the same as saying mpeg-4 asp vs x264 :x
<@Dansolo> well, TheFluff is stupid like that
<Nicholi> lol red
<@TheFluff> note how the folder on the server actually says _X_264 versus xvid
<Kuukunen> the folder, yes
<Kuukunen> meh, well nevermind, sorry :P
<interactii> so your saying we should just use XVID?
<@TheFluff> if you're going to keep the settings you're currently using with h264, yes
<Nicholi> that or use h.264 with real settings n_n
<Kuukunen> yea :P
<Nicholi> plus real container pleaaaaaaaaaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee
<@TheFluff> because right now you're just causing massive confusion among leechers and giving it a bad name
<Nicholi> full upgrade with audio would be nice
<@TheFluff> xvid is only slightly worse anyway and it's not like random narutard #15246345747 can see a difference
<interactii> What are you talking about with reagard to settings.
<@TheFluff> either go for the whole package, mkv, h264 with real settings and possibly HD
<@TheFluff> or stay with xvid
<Nicholi> prolly best to stick with xvid, for your speedy releases
<Nicholi> unless your encoder has a super cpu
<@TheFluff> (and vfr later on if you want it)
<interactii> timecop wont' encode non-avi containers
<Kuukunen> change encoder then
<interactii> so unless I do somthing, which I might in time
<interactii> why?
<Nicholi> have him encode it...then remux
<Nicholi> lulz
<Kuukunen> I checked the Naruto 54 settings, they were silly
<interactii> Again, why.
<@TheFluff> then go back to xvid because if you start putting h264 with proper settings into avi things will start breaking spectacularily
<Kuukunen> interactii: I mean, no bframes, wtf?
<Kuukunen> only one ref
<@TheFluff> Kuukunen: those settings are what makes it sane to store in avi
<interactii> Again, I am not involved in selecting the encoding configuration.
<Nicholi> so many options could have been turned on to increase quality, which have no impact on decoding whatsoever (only encoding time)
<Kuukunen> TheFluff: of course
<Kuukunen> TheFluff: but those settings aren't sane with x264
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_004_h264.png
<@TheFluff> http://www.uppcon.se/thefluff/randompics/screencaps/db-x264vsxvid/compare_004_xvid.png
<Kuukunen> storing h264 in avi isn't sane anyways
<interactii> You have to remeber the intermieate format is XVID q2 anyway
<@TheFluff> in dark scenes like this one h264 definitely has the edge
<interactii> so most of this arugment is moot
<Kuukunen> interactii: what format is it captured in?
<@TheFluff> but it ends up looking worse actually because the blocking moves a lot faster than in xvid so it's more noticeable
<Nicholi> xvid doesn't get sharper the second time around you encode it :P
<interactii> Direct digital TS -> XVID Q2
<Nicholi> so its very un-moot
<@TheFluff> ahahahahahaa
<@TheFluff> okay definitely stick to xvid then
<@TheFluff> :V
<interactii> Fluff, like I said
<Kuukunen> interactii: why not use TS for encoding raw? :|
<@TheFluff> no point in bending over backwards to do dumb shit
<interactii> because its 4gb, and we dont' ahve a fast link.
<Nicholi> .ts->h.264 for raw ?
<Kuukunen> yea
<Nicholi> with real settings
<@TheFluff> at least use x264 qp10 or something
<@TheFluff> it'll be big but still a lot smaller than the ts
<Kuukunen> and mkv... with bframes and all
<Nicholi> better if you plan to do the larger res encodes
<interactii> As far as I know this is the way is gonna be, it was a hassle and a half to convince him not to just chop off the widescreen.
<Nicholi> lol
<@TheFluff> oh lawd
<Nicholi> lol
<@TheFluff> get him to go back to xvid ok
<Nicholi> thats really the only word that comes to mind
<Kuukunen> as I said, change encoder :p
<interactii> We wont' do that
<Nicholi> work with someone who isn't flexible is fun kids!
<interactii> If I can convince him, I may author a VFR MKV H264 copy for release a week after the avi.
<Kuukunen> not to mention he uses windows movie maker for muxing
<interactii> Kuukunen: as I said, its avi mux of course
<Nicholi> who knows what he does
<interactii> just a faked string
<Kuukunen> ah
<@TheFluff> interactii: not encoded from the q2 xvid I hope
<Kuukunen> missed that part
<interactii> No, from the TS.
<@TheFluff> ok
<interactii> I hate dual format releasing.
<interactii> Like with a passion
<Nicholi> indeed
<interactii> but I'm not satisifed with the current options
<Kuukunen> then do one format, but if you want it fast, it's going to make the quality a lot worse
<@TheFluff> well I still don't see the point of using h264 in AVI when all it's going to cause is massive amounts of bitching and playback problems since with your current settings it looks pretty much the same as xvid anyway
<@TheFluff> of all dumb switches to h264 this has to be the dumbest
<@TheFluff> it's even worse than power2all's, and that is saying something
<Nicholi> i wonder if the mentinoed hardware device will even play h.264 in avi
<@TheFluff> of course it won't
<Nicholi> they linked Popcorn Hour...which is awesome....but i donno
<interactii> It does
<@TheFluff> most of them only accept mp4 but some do mkv too
<interactii> as I wrote the PR and I tested it
<interactii> (I own one)
<Nicholi> cool
<@TheFluff> oh ok
<@TheFluff> good luck finding another one that does
<Nicholi> kill timecop and just use mkv/mp4 :P
<@TheFluff> seconded that motion
<@TheFluff> seriously I thought he was a lot less dumb than this
<Kuukunen> TheFluff: I don't think that's the problem... problem is that he just doesn't care
<@TheFluff> maybe he has a hidden agenda
<Nicholi> interactii you should have let him cut the widescreen for the first release
<interactii> lol
<Nicholi> for major trollage and BAWing :)
<interactii> it looked bad :D
<@TheFluff> no shit
<interactii> I'm gonna ask him to run a 54 in xvid so I can take a look.
<interactii> and compare.
<Kuukunen> I see... this whole thing is his revenge on not getting to cut the widescreen
<Nicholi> hehe
<@TheFluff> actually I think he's just trolling you because I know he posts real HQ shit to a.b.hdtv
<Nicholi> yarly
<Nicholi> those settings....are just....
<Nicholi> facepalm.jpg
<Nicholi> all over them
<interactii> You people are really complainy -__-
<@TheFluff> I think it's some sort of elaborate trolling of naruto fans
<interactii> Its not, rlw.
<@TheFluff> interactii: you people are really dumb, stop being that and we will stop complaining
<Kuukunen> interactii: laughing at failure is always fun :p
<Nicholi> decisions with actual reasoning behind them results in less of it from us usually :P
06* interactii sighs
<@TheFluff> and I'm not talking about "lol dumb" as in the standard internet way
<interactii> If you don't like it don't watch, start your own group, and do it better.
<interactii> Then we can all stop
<interactii> and get our thrusday nights back.
<Nicholi> hey you came here
<Nicholi> we didn't come to you :P
<interactii> Fluff started it
<@TheFluff> I know you have cognitive abilities far better than most idiots on the internet
<interactii> I was just idling peacfully.
<Kuukunen> Nicholi: on the other hand being a known troll helps... you can always say "lol, we failed on purpose... you got annoyed from our trolling so we win!"
<Nicholi> if he didn't...i would have
<@TheFluff> yet you insist on using incredibly flawed reasoning and doing shit for incredibly retarded reasons
<Nicholi> just to start the discussion of how retarded the choice was
<zkx> *shakes fist at everyone*
<@TheFluff> actually
<interactii> Fluff, I'm trying to keep the group running while offering the best options as possible.
<Nicholi> if you dont' like hearing other peoples opinions...you can always shut your ears/eyes
<interactii> And this was the one we could aggree on
<@TheFluff> congratulations you managed to choose one of the worst possible options
<Nicholi> nahhh
<@TheFluff> it has all of h264's disadvantages with none of its advantages
<@TheFluff> good job
<Nicholi> they could have brought P2A on board
<Nicholi> that would have been worse
<interactii> then like I say, don't watch it.
<Nicholi> nobody here is...lulz
<@TheFluff> I never watch that shit anyway sooooo
<interactii> Good.
<@TheFluff> I just like calling people out on being retarded
<Nicholi> we are just saying the choice is incredibly stupid
<interactii> Ok, well go tell timecop.
06* Nicholi tells timecop he's a tard
<@TheFluff> I should go get `House on that
<Nicholi> i expect massive lulz on asuki in the next few days
<@TheFluff> I know he talks to him sometimes
<Nicholi> i plan to join on that crusade...lol
<@TheFluff> (ps the "if you don't like it, don't watch it" excuse for doing dumb shit is the worst defense ever)
<Nicholi> opinions are banned unless they are positive
<Nicholi> didn't you know that TheFluff ?
<@TheFluff> it should be obvious
<Nicholi> timecop is also the raw capper...which creates the entire problematic situation amirite ?
<Kuukunen> he's the rawcapper too??
<zkx> capper?
<Nicholi> yeah
<zkx> you sure?
<@TheFluff> yes
<Nicholi> thats why interactii can't fire em
<zkx> i thought he only provided it
<Kuukunen> lol, that would solve everything
<Nicholi> then they wouldn't have leet fast raws to work with
<@TheFluff> fire him and hire house instead
<Kuukunen> make him do xvid q2 or qsomething for timing and translationg, but after that, use the TS for actual encoding
<Kuukunen> so you just send the scripts to him
<zkx> dr. House encodes too?
<zkx> why q2?
<zkx> why not something crappyer?
<Kuukunen> actually, if he does the capping AND encoding, why the hell would he use the xvid q2 in the first place?
<Nicholi> Kuukunen why would he continue capping for them if he was fired :P
<@TheFluff> tl;dr your current choice is pretty much the worst one you could make, it doesn't look better but creates all the usual h264 problems, and saying "hurrrr if you don't like it you don't have to watch it" does NOT make it any less dumb in case you thought so
<Nicholi> are you missing the problem ?
<Nicholi> TheFluff WRONG!!! don't care what you think...lalalalalala
<Kuukunen> zkx: of course for a workraw something crappier could work, since I guess they're not doing any fancy TS
<Nicholi> there are no right choices in encoding...only opinions...in the word of our great P2A
<@TheFluff> also the "hurf no fast link" excuse sounds like a lie given that timecop uploads all sorts of HD shit to newsgroups all the fucking time
<Nicholi> imma do some mpeg3 encoding nowz
<zkx> indeed, which is why 30mb realvideo is the way to go
<zkx> yeah, i always download db releases from usenet
<interactii> Fluff: Plz.
<interactii> Naruto is only avail in tokyo
<interactii> and we have boxes there but only with slow links
<interactii> he has boxes other places with faster links.
<Nicholi> i'll bet you could still get a raw off share/winny/perfect dark pretty fast :P
<@TheFluff> eclipse has a raw capping box in tokyo with a damn fast link, hur hur
<interactii> Naruto doesn't come on share for nearly 12 hours now
<@TheFluff> or well it's not really ours, it's house's but still
<Nicholi> interactii whats with the bleach eps...the quality is pretty astounding at times...i'm guessing not getting .ts's for that ?
<interactii> timecop says you people have no idea what you are talking about.
<interactii> XD
06* Nicholi watches pans turn into epileptic fits of death
<@TheFluff> also interactii why are you not going back to xvid
<Nicholi> course we are all tards
<@TheFluff> interactii: is he on rizon
<@TheFluff> apparently not
<interactii> Nicholi: depends on when you are refering to
06* @TheFluff tries efnet
<interactii> he's on animenfo
<Nicholi> recent eps...lets say last 10
<interactii> Nicholi: Those are TS soruce
<Nicholi> i know a few of them were like...disasters in terms of ivtc
<@TheFluff> he used to be on efnet all time, neutral ground would be better
<Nicholi> get better encoders plz
<@TheFluff> Nicholi: no time to do ivtc
<Nicholi> guess not
<Kuukunen> interactii: tell him he's fired
<interactii> Look, like I say. Do it better yourselves.
<Kuukunen> that's not hard
<interactii> Give us a reason not to exist.
<Nicholi> turn on /ignore ?
<@TheFluff> we will but not for your shitty shows, hur hur
<interactii> Good.
<Kuukunen> :p
<Nicholi> just because you don't like our opinions doesn't stop us from saying them
<Nicholi> lulz
<@TheFluff> interactii: why don't you want to go back to xvid
<Nicholi> nor does it make our reasoning any less true
06* interactii goes afk for a while.
06* Nicholi waves
<@TheFluff> apparently you don't want to go back to xvid because it would look like backpedaling and you can't admit that you were wrong
<interactii> dude.
<interactii> don't be an ass :(
<Nicholi> sad sad days when people rely on timecop for information :P
<Nicholi> TheFluff good point
<@TheFluff> so answer the question
<interactii> I trust what timecop says.
<interactii> Its his call in the end since he's the encoder
<Infamous> ohhh
<Infamous> interactii is here
06* Infamous waves
<interactii> hi.
<Nicholi> TheFluff they probably won't be able to go back to xvid now....
<interactii> lol
<Nicholi> so its either continue this pseudo-retarded state...or full on to something better
<interactii> You people are so trolly :D
<Nicholi> how would you even know
<Kuukunen> interactii: but if all the other encoders are saying he's wrong, maybe it's time to admit he might be wrong too? :P
<Nicholi> you have no idea what we are talking about
<Nicholi> you just trust whatever timecop says :P
<interactii> Your right, I do
<interactii> Whats your point?
<zkx> damn AHK guys say on their site they're gonna release 53-54 as one with the sidebars on 53
<Nicholi> you have no idea what we are saying whatsoever
<@Dansolo> timecop is teh dumb
<interactii> He's 50% of the reason DB works
<Nicholi> we could be making obviously valid points any sane encoder would listen to
<@Dansolo> that is all
<Nicholi> "lol you trolls...your so trolly!"
<zkx> i don't really care tho
<Nicholi> negative criticism doesn't exist in the DB world
<Kuukunen> interactii: and 100% reason why DB works the way DB works? :P
<zkx> I just want my naruto!
<Nicholi> it goes straight to /dev/nul
<@Dansolo> db sucks
<Kuukunen> I guess
<Nicholi> interactii i will admit the trollyness is coming out now...but not from me :P
<Nicholi> beat timecop harder...he's just making things more problematic for you
<Nicholi> h.264 in avi is not a futureproof solution
<@Dansolo> It is a dumb solution that only dumb people would use
<@Dansolo> dumb people like timecop
<@Dansolo> because timecop is dumb
<Nicholi> stupid dumbheads >:3
<@Dansolo> and people die when they are killed
<zkx> for some reason you reminded me of a protip
<Nicholi> lol man...the settings really are that bad
<Nicholi> it seems ludicrous to think its not a troll
06* Nicholi wonders if interactii is sekratly lol'ing at all of us
<Kuukunen> Dansolo: and some people just need killing
<Kuukunen> Nicholi: hey, I'll just continue laughing on failures, if he enjoys that, good
<zkx> so.... does Naruto air in HD?
<@Dansolo> Kuukunen: That's what your mom told me when she got pregnant with you
<@Dansolo> but I convinced her not to do it
<Nicholi> zkx sounds like the new stuff might
<Nicholi> if its widescreen
<Nicholi> could just be upscales on a digital station though
<Kuukunen> Nicholi: that doesn't change the "airs in HD" tho
<Nicholi> doesn't change what ?
<@TheFluff> ok after talking to timecop I'm pretty sure there's some kind of reason for switching that involves something on his side but he's not telling me
<@TheFluff> he readily admits that it looks just as shitty as the xvid version but he doesn't care anyway
<emptyeighty> zkx: afaik yes
<Nicholi> TheFluff i'd guess the larger res
<Nicholi> and doing it with xvid at the bitrates they want to use would only be terrible
<@TheFluff> so would the h264, I don't see the point
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<Nicholi> who knows
<zkx> it's a conspiracy to get everyone to install 264 codecs!
<Nicholi> he suddenly lost the use of his xvid encoding hand ?
<zkx> i support this conspiracy!
<Nicholi> hehe
<Nicholi> zkx would make sense...but theres no need for it to be AVI then
<Nicholi> since they want people to use either VLC or CCCP
<Nicholi> opens up all possibilities
<zkx> maybe it's also to get rid of the hatred towards mkv and mp4 (people saying mkv and mp4 doesn't work for them, since they'll see avi doesn't work any better)
<Nicholi> nahh...its barely above SD
<Nicholi> and no b-frames/etc/etc
<Nicholi> 856x480
<zkx> yeah, but see people are idiots and don't install codecs and splitters, they only have xvid installed and they think it's the containers fault it doesn't work
<Nicholi> hmmm true
<Nicholi> as friggin HUGE as DB's userbase is...i forget
<zkx> yes
<Nicholi> there will prolly be a shitton of complaints
<Infamous> there were
<Nicholi> even though its AVI
<Infamous> lots of feedback
<Infamous> :X
<zkx> which will in turn force people to install codecs and not bother other groups with god damn stupid questions
<Nicholi> Infamous in the channel? they don't have a forum do they
<zkx> and world will become a better place and all that
<Nicholi> hmm truly....
<Nicholi> i accept this notorious h.264 plot
<zkx> yes *strokes his beard*
<zkx> and by beard, i mean goatee
<Infamous> BAMM
<Infamous> AnimeNfo crashed
<Infamous> or died
<Nicholi> lol
<@TheFluff> 19:37:33 < Nicholi> he suddenly lost the use of his xvid encoding hand ? <--- best guess would be he's either doing it to annoy naruto fans or because it encodes faster on a multicore machine
<zkx> i prefer to believe in the conspiracy
06* zkx pets his single-core celeron
06* Nicholi trusts in the conspiracy
<Nicholi> it is the only slightly positive thing to come out of yucky H.264 in AVI :P
<Nicholi> millions of narutards now have to install CCCP
<Nicholi> if they switch to VLC though...
06* Nicholi blames zkx for the conspiracy!
<Nicholi> TheFluff donno...the 1.2 branches of xvid and all did get some threading
<Nicholi> i don't think it could be that much faster...even with his horrible x264 settings
<@TheFluff> I know and I tried it and it's 30fps vs 50 on my quadcore
<Nicholi> evul
<Nicholi> he could always use divx :P
<Nicholi> now 1000% faster
<Nicholi> than life