[22:14] <kei-clone> why not allow -500 for top or bottom?
[22:14] <kei-clone> i think tat makes it more interesting
[22:14] <boursk> that would be bad for no 1 and no 2
[22:15] <kei-clone> no it wouldn't
[22:15] <boursk> no 1 would use -500 on player 2 and no 2 would use -500 on player 1
[22:15] <boursk> the joker has no effect
[22:15] <Kayrhandros> the idea is to nuke the guy up front, not the one on the back. for that you have to boost yourself
[22:15] <kei-clone> or
[22:15] <Kayrhandros> that's why i came up with the + and -
[22:16] <kei-clone> see
[22:16] <kei-clone> nuking poses a risk
[22:16] <kei-clone> if number 1 and number 2 hit each other
[22:16] <kei-clone> they'll let #3 get ahead
[22:16] <kei-clone> however
[22:16] <kei-clone> if #1 uses +
[22:16] <Kayrhandros> but if you boost yourself
[22:16] <kei-clone> then he'll maintain his lead
[22:16] <Kayrhandros> player 2
[22:16] <kei-clone> it's a strategic decision the player can make
[22:16] <Kayrhandros> can nuke you without risk
[22:17] <kei-clone> yup
[22:17] <kei-clone> like a chess game
[22:17] <kei-clone> :D
[22:17] <kei-clone> timing is all
[22:17] <Kayrhandros> :D
[22:17] <kei-clone> which is why
[22:17] <kei-clone> these will have to be PMd
[22:17] <boursk> basically if #1, #2 and #3 had equal poinst and all used the -500 on eachother it will end up in #3, #1, #2
[22:17] <Kayrhandros> thats a good idea
[22:18] <kei-clone> ooh good point boursk
[22:18] <Kayrhandros> that's too much math for my head at 2.15am
[22:18] <kei-clone> what do we do if there's equal scores?
[22:18] <Kayrhandros> ill just take it as granted
[22:18] <kei-clone> they won't be "above" or "below"
[22:18] <Kayrhandros> good point..
[22:18] <kei-clone> should we allow it for equal as well?
[22:18] <Kayrhandros> id say, they cant make use of number 1 and 2
[22:19] <boursk> above/below is on equal place?
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> which means they'd have to wait for the ranks to change
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> more interesting that way
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> i think
[22:19] <kei-clone> well
[22:19] <boursk> meh you can have the same points with more than 1 person
[22:19] <boursk> >.<
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> wait
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> then again
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> if it's in the end game
[22:19] <kei-clone> they probably won't change
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> that might no happen
[22:19] <kei-clone> if they're equal by endgame
[22:19] <Kayrhandros> ya
[22:19] <boursk> just the person who's placed higher/lower
[22:20] <kei-clone> oh
[22:20] <kei-clone> i got an idea
[22:20] <kei-clone> gimme sec
[22:20] <Kayrhandros> k
[22:20] <kei-clone> yea
[22:20] <kei-clone> option 1
[22:20] <kei-clone> +450
[22:20] <kei-clone> option 2
[22:20] <boursk> if #3 is filled with 2 people "above" is #2 and "below" is #5
[22:20] <kei-clone> at cost of -100, -500 for someone above, below, or tied
[22:20] <kei-clone> option 3 is the same
[22:21] <kei-clone> that way, there's some risk for nuking someone
[22:21] <kei-clone> or you could play it safe and put yourself ahead
[22:21] <Kayrhandros> hm.. there's always some risk. coz you may pass the person you nuked
[22:21] <Kayrhandros> and he nukes back in retaliation
[22:21] <kei-clone> it doesn't matter if you pass
[22:21] <kei-clone> since you can nuke above or below
[22:22] <boursk> basically switching places
[22:22] <Kayrhandros> i still think you should only nuke above.. and equally
[22:22] <boursk> that's what kay means with passes
[22:22] <kei-clone> right
[22:22] <kei-clone> in that case there's no net gain or loss
[22:22] <kei-clone> that will be something the players decide
[22:22] <kei-clone> like a chess game
[22:22] <boursk> how about more minus points for nuking above, but less for nuking below?
[22:23] <kei-clone> i think that will make it too complicated lol
[22:23] <Kayrhandros> ya
[22:23] <kei-clone> i dont' really see a reason for it either
[22:23] <Kayrhandros> gotta keep the rule somewhat simple
[22:23] <kei-clone> i think it's better to keep the options open
[22:23] <kei-clone> let the players decide
[22:23] <boursk> if you're already ahead you technically don't need to nuke below (unless you're #1)
[22:23] <Kayrhandros> ya
[22:24] <kei-clone> you could
[22:24] <kei-clone> if you were afraid some guy is catching up
[22:24] <Kayrhandros> in which case you would boost yourself
[22:24] <kei-clone> i know someone here had a beached ghost ship :)
[22:24] <boursk> sure, but in that case, isn't it better to lower the minus points for nuking below?
[22:24] <kei-clone> no
[22:24] <kei-clone> the player has to make a choice
[22:24] <kei-clone> oh
[22:25] <kei-clone> i see what you mean
[22:25] <Kayrhandros> kei, do you mind linking me to the pastbin of the joker?
[22:25] <kei-clone> [22:01] <boursk> lol
[22:25] <kei-clone> ...
[22:25] <kei-clone> http://pastebin.ca/945510
[22:25] <boursk> :S
[22:26] <boursk> you're quoting my lol?
[22:26] <boursk> XD
[22:26] <Kayrhandros> there's something I wanna add to the rule
[22:26] <Kayrhandros> the same player cant be nuker more than "X" times
[22:26] <kei-clone> huh?
[22:26] <Kayrhandros> be nuked*
[22:26] <kei-clone> you can't use joker more than once anyway right?
[22:26] <kei-clone> oh
[22:26] <kei-clone> nah
[22:27] <kei-clone> i don't like it
[22:27] <Kayrhandros> well im just trying to prevent someone trying to mess up the game
[22:27] <kei-clone> i mean sure it might be bad for one guy but i think that would fit with the spirit of the joker
[22:27] <kei-clone> well, it would be pretty hard
[22:27] <kei-clone> cuz only a few ppl are qualified to nuke one guy
[22:28] <boursk> it's only after week 9, right? so that leaves week 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 to use the joker
[22:28] <boursk> it can't be that bad........
[22:28] <Kayrhandros> i guess
[22:28] <Kayrhandros> well, we need to reach an agreement point wise then
[22:28] <kei-clone> okay
[22:28] <boursk> first of all, are we going to allow nuking below?
[22:29] <kei-clone> here's my proposal
[22:29] <kei-clone> 1: +500
[22:29] <kei-clone> 2: -100/-700
[22:29] <kei-clone> 3: -500
[22:30] <kei-clone> alternatively, we could do (but the numbers won't be as round)
[22:30] <kei-clone> 1: +450
[22:30] <kei-clone> 2: -100/-600
[22:30] <kei-clone> 3: -500
[22:30] <kei-clone> above/below are both fair game
[22:31] <boursk> are we going to allow nuking below?
[22:31] <boursk> I thought kay was against it?
[22:31] <Kayrhandros> still am
[22:31] <kei-clone> i'm for it
[22:31] <kei-clone> i see no reason to restrict players
[22:31] <kei-clone> i'm all for choice here
[22:31] <kei-clone> one option is not better than the other inherently
[22:31] <boursk> so do I tiebreak, or are you using your admin powers?
[22:31] <boursk> :P
[22:32] <kei-clone> well
[22:32] <Kayrhandros> though i bet option 2 will be used a lot more
[22:32] <kei-clone> i'd prefer if kana or faust had somethign to say
[22:32] <Kayrhandros> faust and kana here?
[22:32] <SY|dinner> I'm semi here
[22:32] <SY|dinner> hi
[22:32] <SY|dinner> though
[22:32] <SY|dinner> not called for
[22:32] <Kayrhandros> wb
[22:32] <SY|dinner> >_>
[22:32] <kei-clone> u were at dinner =P
[22:32] <Faust721> yeah, but i really have nothing to say
[22:32] <Kayrhandros> yes
[22:32] <SY|dinner> bah I have not made dinner
[22:32] <Faust721> i'll take w/e you guys come up with
[22:32] <SY|dinner> I half made it
[22:32] <Kayrhandros> dont complain if you dont change your nick SY o_o
[22:32] <SY|dinner> found out I was missing something
[22:33] <SY|dinner> I just sat down xD
[22:33] * Kanashimi is currently not here, please leave a message after the beep
[22:33] <boursk> loool
[22:33] * boursk slaps Kanashimi around a bit with a large trout
[22:33] <kei-clone> you wanna allow nuking above or below faust?
[22:33] <SY|dinner> I am tired. had to run
[22:33] <SY|dinner> no one likes my jokes
[22:33] <SY|dinner> :P
[22:33] * SY|dinner goes back to making dinner
[22:33] <SY|dinner> >_>
[22:34] <Faust721> ummm
[22:36] <Faust721> wait, are you asking me whether we allow someone to choose both or are you asking me to pick one?
[22:36] * Kayrhandros goes get a drink (brb)
[22:36] <Kayrhandros> both
[22:36] <Kayrhandros> allow to nuke bellow or above
[22:36] <boursk> I think that nuking above is already set
[22:36] <Kayrhandros> player choses
[22:36] <kei-clone> yea
[22:36] <boursk> it's just a question if you want to allow nuking below
[22:37] <Faust721> yeah, i think we should allow it
[22:38] <boursk> hmmmm
[22:39] <kei-clone> okay, so it's decided?
[22:39] <kei-clone> come on, people need to sleep
[22:39] <kei-clone> not me of course =P
[22:40] <boursk> >.<
[22:40] * Kayrhandros takes aim at kei's face
[22:40] <boursk> I'm going to be against nuking below too then
[22:40] <Kayrhandros> its settled then
[22:41] <Kayrhandros> update the rule to allow it
[22:41] <boursk> oh?
[22:41] <boursk> weren't you against it as well kay?
[22:41] <Kayrhandros> oh wait i thought you said you were ok with it
[22:41] <Kayrhandros> my eyes are failing me
[22:41] <boursk> <~boursk> I'm going to be against nuking below too then
[22:42] <Kayrhandros> it's almost 3am
[22:42] <Kayrhandros> ...
[22:42] <kei-clone> ...
[22:42] <boursk> the "too" probably caught your eye, I guess
[22:42] <Kayrhandros> and i got up at 6
[22:42] <kei-clone> we can't pass this with 3 votes
[22:43] <boursk> well basically 4, since you voted yourself as well
[22:43] <kei-clone> well no
[22:43] <kei-clone> because i only break ties
[22:43] <boursk> loool
[22:43] <kei-clone> but even if i counted
[22:43] <kei-clone> that's less than 5
[22:43] <kei-clone> okay
[22:43] <kei-clone> here's what we gonna do
[22:43] <kei-clone> hold on
[22:43] <kei-clone> sister's birthday
[22:44] <boursk> make a poll on the club?
[22:44] <kei-clone> bback in 5
[22:44] <Kayrhandros> blah
[22:44] <boursk> with a mass mail to everyone?
[22:44] <Kayrhandros> im gonna go to bed then
[22:44] <kei-clone> is the scores settled otherwise/
[22:44] <kei-clone> ?
[22:44] <kei-clone> because if that's teh only issue
[22:44] <kei-clone> we can settle it in teh club
[22:44] <kei-clone> then i can start registrations moving
[22:45] <Faust721> we gotta determine the qualifying anime
[22:45] <kei-clone> pick a proposal, or offer an alternate
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:29] <kei-clone> here's my proposal
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:29] <kei-clone> 1: +500
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:29] <kei-clone> 2: -100/-700
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:29] <kei-clone> 3: -500
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:30] <kei-clone> alternatively, we could do (but the numbers won't be as round)
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:30] <kei-clone> 1: +450
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:30] <kei-clone> 2: -100/-600
[22:45] <kei-clone> [22:30] <kei-clone> 3: -500
[22:45] <Kayrhandros> is the eligible anime list done?
[22:45] <boursk> why the -100 again?
[22:45] <Kayrhandros> -100 to you
[22:45] <Kayrhandros> for using it
[22:45] <boursk> why?
[22:46] <kei-clone> since ur getting a bigger net gain in points
[22:46] <kei-clone> but gives you a risk
[22:46] <kei-clone> taht a 3rd person may pull ahead
[22:46] <boursk> so why not make it equal?
[22:47] <boursk> and a third person won't pull ahead if you can't nuke down
[22:49] <Kayrhandros> well guys.. im really going to bed now. im ok with the point sets, im just not ok with nuking down. but ill leave that in your hands
[22:50] <Kayrhandros> cya tomorrow
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[22:50] <Kayrhandros> actually, im ok with the first* point sets
[22:50] <Kayrhandros> lol
[22:50] <Kayrhandros> i really need some sleep
[22:50] <Kayrhandros> =P
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[22:51] <boursk> it all boils down to #1 and #2. if we don't allow nuking you're going to allow or not allow #2 to get a slight point advantage from using the joker. if we're going to allow nuking down, using the joker won't affect #1 and #2
[22:57] <kei-clone> [22:46] <boursk> so why not make it equal?
[22:57] <kei-clone> [22:47] <boursk> and a third person won't pull ahead if you can't nuke down
[22:57] <kei-clone> i think it's better if that possibility exists
[22:57] <kei-clone> that would be the reason someone would choose option 1
[22:58] <boursk> what possibility?
[22:58] <kei-clone> that a third person might pull ahead
[22:59] <kei-clone> that choosing option 2 would drag both players down
[22:59] * Faust721 is now known as Faust721|Shigofumi
[22:59] <kei-clone> arite i'll put it up for a poll then
[22:59] <kei-clone> which scoring scheme u prefer?
[23:00] <boursk> it depends on whether we allow nuking below or not
[23:01] <kei-clone> i see
[23:01] <boursk> go with scheme 1 if nuking below is allowed
[23:01] <kei-clone> okay, i'll put up a poll
[23:01] <boursk> if not.....hmmmm
[23:02] <boursk> +500, -500/-600 (either one, I can't decide), -500