03/09/08 09:06<@Myriad> i see we got hit the BHB
03/09/08 09:06<@Myriad> *by
03/09/08 09:19 * Kiwi|Away whistles
03/09/08 09:20<@Myriad> hello kiwi
03/09/08 09:21< Kiwi|Away> HI
03/09/08 09:22<@Myriad> you they guy that just joined?
03/09/08 09:23< Kiwi|Away> sure
03/09/08 09:24<@Myriad> cool
03/09/08 09:25<@Myriad> and safe to say i was thoroughly expecting that BHB attack
03/09/08 09:25<@Myriad> what class are you going
03/09/08 09:25<@Myriad> wizard?
03/09/08 09:25<@Myriad> or maybe lich with the HTH
03/09/08 09:26< Kiwi|Away> wizard duh
03/09/08 09:26< Kiwi|Away> staff ftw
03/09/08 09:26<@Myriad> :P
03/09/08 09:26<@Myriad> i've got one coming
03/09/08 09:26<@Myriad> level 10 atm
03/09/08 09:26<@Myriad> gonna have to find a new profession soon, approaching 500 boks read
03/09/08 09:31< Kiwi|Away> oh snap
03/09/08 09:31< Kiwi|Away> healing is always nice
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03/09/08 09:32-!- Myriad_ is now known as Myriad
03/09/08 09:33-!- mode/#duck [+o Myriad] by ChanServ
03/09/08 10:27<~Athelthral> (We thought Kiwi|Away was in the drunks because he was on #trd last time he was in #duck)
03/09/08 10:27<~Athelthral> Also, the person who just joined is Kazimir, Kiwi is lying
03/09/08 10:28<~Athelthral> And now must send an alt in to make up for it
03/09/08 10:28< Kiwi|Away> ruin mah fun : (
03/09/08 10:28< Kiwi|Away> i was breaking the ward for them on vicious carnage and didn't leave after and went to sleep so was in there a long time
03/09/08 10:29<~Athelthral> It's the truth, the only way to avoid being a lying liar is to join us :P
03/09/08 10:29< Kiwi|Away> i really do have an alto going wizard though :(
03/09/08 10:30< Kiwi|Away> 21 xp from level 19!
03/09/08 10:30<~Athelthral> Okay
03/09/08 10:30<@Myriad> Kiwi|Away stfu and join already
03/09/08 10:30<@Myriad> :P
03/09/08 10:31< Kiwi|Away> :(
03/09/08 10:31< Kiwi|Away> but then i'd feel bad about raiding you
03/09/08 10:31< Kiwi|Away> stupid tek took both flags >:{
03/09/08 10:31<@Myriad> why are you here anyway?
03/09/08 10:32<~Athelthral> We are going to have to raid you again
03/09/08 10:32<@Myriad> he's in the bastard BHB isn't he
03/09/08 10:32< Kiwi|Away> http://rafb.net/p/4Vrqet85.html
03/09/08 10:32< Kiwi|Away> but you can't clear :(
03/09/08 10:33< Kiwi|Away> i'm the bastard leader >.>
03/09/08 10:33<~Athelthral> I'm unsure as to why you'd only want to take one flag
03/09/08 10:33< Kiwi|Away> so we could raid again and have a 'reason'
03/09/08 10:33<~Athelthral> If we can clear we will, it's better balance that way
03/09/08 10:34< Kiwi|Away> nuh uh
03/09/08 10:34< Kiwi|Away> you got two times our flag and now we got two times yours >.>
03/09/08 10:34< Kiwi|Away> we're even XD
03/09/08 10:34<@Myriad> tbh, it's not up to anyone but the guy with the big sinyey earthquake button
03/09/08 10:34<@Myriad> <-
03/09/08 10:34<~Athelthral> Myriad: BASH THE BUTTON
03/09/08 10:35< Kiwi|Away> you were actually the second target we hit last night >.>
03/09/08 10:35<@Myriad> well laaa dee daaa
03/09/08 10:35<~Athelthral> Good for you
03/09/08 10:35<@Myriad> kinda not impressive
03/09/08 10:35< Kiwi|Away> we raided someone and a few of us had a bit extra AP so i went to the closest SH and it was too low, then i went to the second closest and it was you
03/09/08 10:35< Kiwi|Away> you got raided by chance XD
03/09/08 10:36<~Athelthral> I should point out that if the roles were reversed there's no way you'd agree to just recap
03/09/08 10:36< Kiwi|Away> sure i would
03/09/08 10:36<@Myriad> you've raided us twice
03/09/08 10:36<~Athelthral> Like hell you would
03/09/08 10:36<@Myriad> we've raided you once
03/09/08 10:36< Kiwi|Away> we raided warseers a while ago
03/09/08 10:36<~Athelthral> You even wanted to raid us again, making it three raids to one
03/09/08 10:36<@Myriad> so i think i'm going to go with the earhtquake you to death option
03/09/08 10:36< Kiwi|Away> they raided us back but didn't clear, we raided them back but didn't clear, we called it even
03/09/08 10:37<@Myriad> see honor gained is not the only factor involved
03/09/08 10:37<@Myriad> we've had to suffer two peiods of a downed SH because of you
03/09/08 10:37< Kiwi|Away> it's not?
03/09/08 10:37<@Myriad> you have only had to suffer one period of a downed stronghold
03/09/08 10:37<@Myriad> you killed us all twice
03/09/08 10:37<@Myriad> we only killed you all once
03/09/08 10:37<@Myriad> see the way this is going
03/09/08 10:37<~Athelthral> Also, your example is flawed
03/09/08 10:37< Kiwi|Away> well if you raid us back and take our flag, then we'll have had two, and we'll raid back and you'll have no SH again...
03/09/08 10:38< Kiwi|Away> no it isn't >.>
03/09/08 10:38<@Myriad> and we'll raid you back again
03/09/08 10:38<~Athelthral> That's one raid each, this is two to one and you're proposing three to one is fair
03/09/08 10:38<@Myriad> not like we aren;t used to being raided
03/09/08 10:38< Kiwi|Away> how much honor did you get from our flag?
03/09/08 10:38<@Myriad> who has more to loose
03/09/08 10:38<@Myriad> we get 10 honor every time we clear you, you get what? one
03/09/08 10:38< Kiwi|Away> 5
03/09/08 10:39<@Myriad> ok, 5
03/09/08 10:39<@Thisbe> Does that mean you want to raid us 4 times for the 20 honour we gained?
03/09/08 10:39< Kiwi|Away> i think
03/09/08 10:39< Kiwi|Away> what level are you?
03/09/08 10:39<~Athelthral> Kiwi|Away: Your arguments just don't work
03/09/08 10:39< Kiwi|Away> [05:39] <Thisbe> Does that mean you want to raid us 4 times for the 20 honour we gained? <-- no i'm saying you should be satisfied with what you've got
03/09/08 10:40<@Myriad> Kiwi, not gonna happend basically
03/09/08 10:40<@Thisbe> If it will make you happier I will happily ask Odette or somebody to take away the double honour
03/09/08 10:40<~Athelthral> Kiwi|Away: Then stop threatening us and saying that you're supporting the balanced choice
03/09/08 10:40<~Athelthral> Because that's a load of rubbish
03/09/08 10:40< Kiwi|Away> i'm not threatening shit
03/09/08 10:40< Kiwi|Away> [05:36] <Myriad> so i think i'm going to go with the earhtquake you to death option
03/09/08 10:40<@Myriad> [10:37] <Kiwi|Away> well if you raid us back and take our flag, then we'll have had two, and we'll raid back and you'll have no SH again...
03/09/08 10:41< Kiwi|Away> that's i'm sure just a lovely way of saying....i don't know what :/
03/09/08 10:41< Kiwi|Away> look, i just came to try to negotiate a less hostile situation
03/09/08 10:41< Kiwi|Away> you're the ones who want to continue the cycle
03/09/08 10:41<@Myriad> i think you just made it more hostile kiwi
03/09/08 10:42<@Thisbe> It's hard to argue that you're trying to defuse the situation right after raiding us
03/09/08 10:42<@Myriad> we aren't going to not raid you because of some bug on the game which we had no control over
03/09/08 10:43< Kiwi|Away> you had our flags, we wanted them, and we wanted honor
03/09/08 10:43<~Athelthral> Look, if making things even and ending the cycle was what you were concerned about then YOU would do a pure recap after we next raided you (if we succeed that is)
03/09/08 10:43< Kiwi|Away> we now have your flag, you want it, and have already got twice the honor we got
03/09/08 10:43< Kiwi|Away> that's pretty fair if you ask me, yet you want more
03/09/08 10:43<@Myriad> thing is kiwi, we don;t care if you raid us
03/09/08 10:43< Kiwi|Away> and i'm the one named greed XD
03/09/08 10:43<~Athelthral> You aren't interested in that, so stop claiming your idea is the balanced one
03/09/08 10:43<@Myriad> we'll either get raided by or someone else
03/09/08 10:43<@Myriad> so it doesn't really matter
03/09/08 10:44<~Athelthral> In short: We have absolutely no interest in increasing hostilities
03/09/08 10:44< Kiwi|Away> [05:43] <Athelthral> Look, if making things even and ending the cycle was what you were concerned about then YOU would do a pure recap after we next raided you (if we succeed that is) <-- so you get 30 honor and we get 10? nice
03/09/08 10:44<~Athelthral> But we're not meekly recapping against somebody who's attacking us.
03/09/08 10:44< Kiwi|Away> and you expect us to?
03/09/08 10:44<@Thisbe> Kiwi, you get less honour because you're higher level than us
03/09/08 10:45< Kiwi|Away> point?
03/09/08 10:45<@Thisbe> If you're really upset about the double honour, we'll ask someone to get rid of it
03/09/08 10:45<@Myriad> ok, kiwi, so if we asked odette to remove the extra 10 honor gained, then can we raid you?
03/09/08 10:46< Kiwi|Away> sure, but we'll raid back
03/09/08 10:46<@Myriad> why?
03/09/08 10:46< Kiwi|Away> and you're too small to not clear :/
03/09/08 10:46<@Thisbe> So, why exactly would you raid us again?
03/09/08 10:46<@Thisbe> You've raided us twice.
03/09/08 10:46<@Myriad> you've jyst completely ruined your whole arguement
03/09/08 10:46<@Thisbe> If we raid you again we'll have raided you twice.
03/09/08 10:46< Kiwi|Away> you had two of our fucking flags
03/09/08 10:46<@Myriad> and proved that it's nothing to do with the double honor gain
03/09/08 10:46<@Myriad> which wasn't our fault
03/09/08 10:46< Kiwi|Away> and then you'll have our flag again and we'll want it back...
03/09/08 10:46<@Thisbe> You could do a recap.
03/09/08 10:47< Kiwi|Away> i'm not breaking the fucking ward on a 16 man faction and not killing as many as i can, and with a 16 man faction that's everyone
03/09/08 10:47< Kiwi|Away> and i want schoonies guntable
03/09/08 10:47<@Thisbe> If you want to get it back without breaking the ward, we can arrange to have you in our SH before it goes back up
03/09/08 10:47<@Thisbe> Seriously, we get raided so often you're bound to be on at some point
03/09/08 10:48< Kiwi|Away> or you could just do a pure recap?
03/09/08 10:48-!- Kiwi|Away was kicked from #duck by Myriad [coma back when you actually want to make a deal and stop being an arse]
03/09/08 10:48-!- Kiwi|Away [Kiwi@nw-A481CBAE.om.om.cox.net] has joined #duck
03/09/08 10:48< Kiwi|Away> apparently i want to stop being an ass :/
03/09/08 10:49<~Athelthral> Donkey!
03/09/08 10:50<~Athelthral> I don't think The Fat Duck will ever do a pure recap against a faction that raided us first, that's not the way we work
03/09/08 10:50<~Athelthral> (Of course, ideally you'd have actives and prevent us from clearing you. Which would stop everything nicely)
03/09/08 10:50< Kiwi|Away> it would?
03/09/08 10:51<@Myriad> well, then it get's chalked up as a failed raid
03/09/08 10:51<@Myriad> we have our flag back
03/09/08 10:51<@Myriad> and all is well with the world
03/09/08 10:52<@Myriad> except that you'd probably want to ht us again just for cracking your ward
03/09/08 10:52< Kiwi|Away> only if we got fucking vultured four times in an hour
03/09/08 10:52<~Athelthral> s/vultured/raided/
03/09/08 10:53<~Athelthral> And you really mean three, I don't think you can count the one Wild Hunt guy who wandered in because your allies retrieved their falg
03/09/08 10:53< Kiwi|Away> i can too >.>
03/09/08 10:54< Kiwi|Away> i'm beginning to like thisbes raid you 4 times idea...
03/09/08 10:54<@Myriad> kiwi, you're about a sentence away from kick/ban
03/09/08 10:54<@Myriad> and us raiding you
03/09/08 10:55< Kiwi|Away> you were going to do that anyway >.>
03/09/08 10:55<~Athelthral> Can you just look at it from our point of view
03/09/08 10:55< Kiwi|Away> i thought i had :/
03/09/08 10:56<~Athelthral> If somebody walked into #bhb, threatened you and then said not to raid you then you wouldn't take very kindly to it
03/09/08 10:56<~Athelthral> *to raid them
03/09/08 10:57< Kiwi|Away> [23:44] * Now talking on #duck
03/09/08 10:57< Kiwi|Away> [23:44] * Topic for #duck is: The Fat Duck | [15:49] <Athelthral> so I said "that was the hottest panda EVER, and Grugg was like "dude" and I was like "..."" | < potato> am I alt abusing any children right now :(
03/09/08 10:57< Kiwi|Away> [23:44] * Topic for #duck set by Athelthral at Fri Feb 29 17:53:07 2008
03/09/08 10:57< Kiwi|Away> [23:44] <Kiwi|Away> so, uh, since you got our flag twice last time
03/09/08 10:57< Kiwi|Away> [23:44] <Kiwi|Away> i figure if/when you get yours back you can't have ours and we'll be even >.>
03/09/08 10:58<@Thisbe> We don't really care about the number of flags we had. It was a bug, and like I said, we'll ask Odette to take it away if it bugs you that much.
03/09/08 10:59<@Myriad> kiwi, you clearly have no intention of reaching any sort of agreement
03/09/08 10:59<@Myriad> so why don't you just go away
03/09/08 10:59< Kiwi|Away> your agreement is you kill us all again
03/09/08 10:59< Kiwi|Away> :/
03/09/08 10:59<@Thisbe> Yes, because you've killed us twice before.
03/09/08 11:00<@Myriad> which under normal terms would be fine
03/09/08 11:00<@Thisbe> We'll stop after that if you stop.
03/09/08 11:00<@Myriad> you've got no basis for us not raiding you
03/09/08 11:00<@Thisbe> Given that you started it.
03/09/08 11:00< Kiwi|Away> i have no basis for you not getting your flag
03/09/08 11:00<@Myriad> you original excuse was that we got double honor, fine, we said we'd ask odette to take it away, you still don't want us to raid you fine
03/09/08 11:00<~Athelthral> Kiwi|Away: We fundamentally object to the you-kill-us we-don't-kill-you dynamic you're proposing
03/09/08 11:00< Kiwi|Away> getting ours is however , imo, something negotiable :/
03/09/08 11:00<@Myriad> well, not fine
03/09/08 11:01<@Thisbe> Kiwi|Away: We can arrange for you to get your flag back without taking down our ward.
03/09/08 11:01-!- mode/#duck [+b *!*@nw-A481CBAE.om.om.cox.net] by Myriad
03/09/08 11:01<@Myriad> impress me or your going away for good
03/09/08 11:02<~Athelthral> Kiwi|Away: You didn't really start this on a very good footing by mentioning you wanted to leave one flag so you could justify raiding us again
03/09/08 11:03-!- mode/#duck [-b *!*@nw-A481CBAE.om.om.cox.net] by Athelthral
03/09/08 11:04< Kiwi|Away> so you want to raid us no matter what, you want to kill us no matter what, but do you need to take our flag no matter what?
03/09/08 11:05<~Athelthral> Brief conferring inside the hive mind returns "Yes".
03/09/08 11:05<~Athelthral> If you're interested in ending it at that point then come and talk to us
03/09/08 11:05< Kiwi|Away> *face palm*
03/09/08 11:05<~Athelthral> If you want to stick to the notion that you should have the right to raid us more times than we raid you then feel free to come hit us again
03/09/08 11:06<@Thisbe> Kiwi, why don't you try asking an impartial person what he thinks of the situation
03/09/08 11:06< Kiwi|Away> fine talk to odette about the honor and whatever i don't care any more there's no negotiation going to happen and i've stopped having fun
03/09/08 11:07< Kiwi|Away> hmmm @thisbe
03/09/08 11:07<@Thisbe> Kiwi, if the BHB were in our position there's no way you'd not raid us again
03/09/08 11:07< Kiwi|Away> you might be surprised
03/09/08 11:07<@Thisbe> The only people who would choose not to raid you again would be people cowed by the idea of being raided by the BHB
03/09/08 11:09<@Thisbe> I must confess I still don't quite understand why you think we ought not to raid you again. If it's the double honour, that can be dealt with.
03/09/08 11:09< Kiwi|Away> [06:06] <Kiwi|Away> fine talk to odette about the honor and whatever i don't care any more there's no negotiation going to happen and i've stopped having fun
03/09/08 11:10< Kiwi|Away> unless there's anything else i'll leave
03/09/08 11:11<~Athelthral> Nothing
03/09/08 11:11< Kiwi|Away> and i'll consider the "get flag back cause being where you are when you setup"
03/09/08 11:11<@Thisbe> Okay
03/09/08 11:11-!- Kiwi|Away [Kiwi@nw-A481CBAE.om.om.cox.net] has left #duck [Leaving]
03/09/08 11:13<@Myriad> sorry i got a little angry
03/09/08 11:15<@Thisbe> No problem, he was being infuriating
03/09/08 11:15<@Thisbe> He didn't want to admit he was wrong
03/09/08 11:16<@Myriad> i probably went to far with the banning him things but i haven't been having a good weekend and with the bullshit that was the warriors radi last night i wasn't in the mood to be taking shit
03/09/08 11:19<~Athelthral> Go and nuke the vaults or something, I hear it's therapeutic
03/09/08 11:19<@Myriad> see, at first i thought he was just having a luagh, and was all "haha, we're even on flags now, no need to raid us back aren't we having fun"
03/09/08 11:20<@Myriad> then he got all serious
03/09/08 11:21<@Myriad> well, i would go and inflict somepain but the pirates killed my DO in the night so i can't even do that
03/09/08 11:21<@Myriad> and his armour degraded and i have to go source a MR potion now
03/09/08 11:23<@Myriad> i'd say we could make a post in chafin and ask odette to remove the extar 10 honor as a sign of good faith to the BHB, but if Kiwi is in charge it'll get us nowhere