On Thursday 14 February 2008 5:44:05 pm Craig Huffstetler wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> There will not be an official programmer of Ubuntu Team South Carolina.
> No team has an official programmer that I know of. With all due respect,
> I am not challenging you on this matter but I find it hard to believe
> that you "*know*" that many programming languages.
>
> Many of the Linux kernel developers (including Linus Torvalds himself)
> of the Ubuntu platform that work at Canonical -- NOT Torvalds -- only
> know about 3 main programming languages (C/C++, Java, and Perl...perhaps
> older programming languages but they do not go around and advertising
> it) and dabble in the rest. HTML, JavaScript, Ruby on Rails and any
> other mark up syntaxes are not considered programming languages.
>
> The main programming languages now a days are mainly: C/C++ and mainly
> C# (but C# is an entirely different beast), Java (and everything that is
> contained in Java which I can not even name but some that we utilize in
> our environment at work are: Java Servlets, Java Beans, J2EE, Velocity
> Toolkit, Swing and anything else in JSR168). Java is the main hit for
> developers it seems. C/C++ is the main hit for some other
> developers...and C++/ASP and .NET are a major hit for those utilizing
> Microsoft platforms, including governmental organizations even though
> many are making a switch over.
>
> The operator status in the channel and the ability to edit/add to
> ubuntusc.com was given to you because you came to me with a desire to
> help Ubuntu Team South Carolina. It has been quite a few months now and
> I have given you quite a few powers, but I have not seen much in return.
> No ideas, no feedback, no turn around -- all I have seen is more
> requests for more power.
>
> Requests for power and the request to keep power (simply based on power)
> simply worries me. I am not usually a person that is put in a position
> to worry often about people who I put in leadership positions, but I am
> at a fork in the road. I have a few other active members now who are
> volunteering to take over as webmaster and web designer for ubuntusc.com.
>
> I am inclined to give them this role since right now it does not seem to
> be filled by any one person (unless I step in again and fill it).
>
> Any one person can edit content, contribute content and add to content
> -- this is the purpose of a Content Management System -- this is why we
> have Joomla!
>
> This is not why we need a web developer or designer.
>
> Over the past 2 - 4 months you have *asked for* (in order)
> - Operator status (and I asked you to contribute to the team and I
> thought you would)...
> -- This was provided.
> - Webmaster role.
> -- This was provided. I believe some minor modifications were made
> within the Content Management environment that was already setup and
> working by your predecessor and myself.
> - Forum moderator status.
> -- This was provided.
> - Administrator status on Launchpad.net
> -- This was provided.
>
> Now you are asking for even more roles yet you have not even given back
> to the team in any fashion? What do you expect the answer to be? I
> consider some of this my fault, really, to begin with. It all started
> with granting operator status and it seemed to go down hill from there.
>
> I have never had anyone in my entire life ASK for so many roles of
> power. I, personally, have always found a phrase concerning power
> corrupting an individual (and absolute power corrupting absolutely) to
> be right on the money.
>
> You have triggered a few alarm bells in my mind at this point. So really
> at this point in Ubuntu Team South Carolina I am just going to ask you
> to provide me with a few proofs of concept. You have said that you "know:"
>
> C/C++
> Visual Basic
> QuickBASIC
> Ruby
> Perl
> HTML
> CSS
> Java
> Javascript
> Some Coldfusion
> C#
> J#
> PHP
> Pascal
> TI-BASIC
>
> Please provide proof that you know most, if not all, of these
> programming languages in some form whether it be from current or past
> work examples. A lot of this has arisen because of questionable things
> (such as the constant /need /for more and more authority and power even
> after it is given to you) and things that seem out of the realm of
> possibility (such as a T3 line in your house along with a DSL line).
> Most working adults in this nation can hardly afford to pay their DSL or
> Cable bills and you are saying you have a T3 line (which is way above a
> standard T1 line, mind you -- which would still be highly questionable).
>
> I look forward to seeing your list of provided work samples and/or
> feedback in regards to this. If you have any feedback into your "need"
> or "drive" behind the lust for power, I would not mind the an
> explanation at this point.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Craig Huffstetler
>
> Jesse N. Richardson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 13 February 2008 2:42:00 pm you wrote:
> >> Dear Jesse,
> >> *
> >> RE: Role(s) with Team SC*
> >>
> >> I would like to discuss your roles when it comes to Ubuntu Team SC. This
> >> mainly comes down to the original role of the website. I have noticed
> >> that the website graphics and maintenance of anything behind the scene
> >> hasn't really changed much since you became involved. The Joomla! engine
> >> is something that was previously setup by Antonio Vertigo who is still a
> >> member of Ubuntu SC.
> >>
> >> I am just wondering what are the active roles you would like to have
> >> when it comes Ubuntu SC. I would like you to continue to develop the
> >> Ubuntu SC web site, including graphics and other side projects. We're
> >> going to be sticking with the current chat room (as it is the official
> >> chat room) and the forums (as it is also official) so those links will
> >> remain static. But we can build around those...
> >> *
> >> RE: Role Possibility - Second Unofficial Chit-Chat Meeting? Possibility?
> >> Start would be in mid-March or mid-April.*
> >>
> >> Also, you can take up the roll of leading the second "unofficial" chat
> >> monthly meetings which will take place between the 13th and the 20th of
> >> each month. There won't be a set agenda for these; and they will be
> >> informal. But they will be excellent just for people to get together and
> >> chat their hearts out. It will be a time that people KNOW other people
> >> will be on other IRC (hopefully) and be able to get come on, at their
> >> will (if they want to), and just chit chat about how things are going in
> >> their lives and things like that.
> >>
> >> And I'd like to know your other thoughts on where you see your role
> >> going within the team and how you'd like to get there. As you can tell,
> >> I'd like you to remain web site developer and maintainer but I haven't
> >> seen much activity on this front so I didn't know if this was something
> >> that you wanted to hand off to someone else? It is not a problem if you
> >> do.
> >>
> >>
> >> *---------------------*
> >>
> >> Let me know if you have any questions in regards to the above.
> >>
> >> *---------------------*
> >>
> >> Also let me when is the best time to chat about your role going forward
> >> with Ubuntu Team South Carolina. I would really like to know where you
> >> see yourself in the next few months and exactly what you would like to
> >> do (* *LIKE** being the keyword and also keep in mind what are **GOOD
> >> AT** and what you **LIKE** to do is probably the best thing for you -
> >> since this will keep your interest and you will have *FUN* at it!).
> >> That's my motto.
> >>
> >> Starting points:
> >>
> >> What programming languages do you know and which do you consider your
> >> favorites? That might be a starting point.
> >>
> >> From there, what do you see yourself doing in 3 - 6 years? What are
> >> doing now and in the next few years will definitely help your resume
> >> when you graduate high school (for colleges) and then again when you go
> >> to get a job when you graduate college! Believe me, it worked for me. It
> >> really does help a lot. What you are doing now molds your future.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Craig
> >
> > OK. I understand. And I am sorry if the bot keeps bugging you about the
> > topic. I will try to not change the topic as much as possible. Concerning
> > the roles of Ubuntu SC I would like to keep being the Co-Team Leader.
> > Also I would like to still be able to be operator of #ubuntu-us-sc. Also,
> > I would like to be the lead programmer of Ubuntu SC (if there is such, if
> > not then I would like to create such a "job"). I would also like to keep
> > the ability to edit the http://www.ubuntusc.com/ website, if possible.
> >
> > I will now list the things that I am good at(if you understand what I
> > mean):
> >
> > Programming (more on this later)
> > Web Design
> > Some Graphic Design things (little knowledge through; still learning)
> > Other things (I just don't know exactly how to word them)
> >
> > As for the programming languages that I know of; I have listed them
> > below:
> >
> > C/C++
> > Visual Basic
> > QuickBASIC
> > Ruby
> > Perl
> > HTML
> > CSS
> > Java
> > Javascript
> > Some Coldfusion
> > C#
> > J#
> > PHP
> > Pascal
> > TI-BASIC
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> > Signed,
> >
> > Flare
> >
> > Jesse N. Richardson/Flare183/Richardson183
> > ---------------------------
> > Jesse N. Richardson (Flare)
> > Linux jesse-desktop 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007
> > i686 GNU/Linux
> >
> > Kubuntu 7.10
> > You Rock and You Rule!
Dear Craig,
I understand what you are saying. I don't want any more roles than what I
already have. But if there is anything else that you need from me just ask. I
also understand that you really can't believe me when I say that I know 13
(or around that number) programming languages. Well, to tell you the truth I
know some about each but I know the most in C/C++. I didn't really me to brag
and I am sorry for this. Forgive me. But I would like to keep my current
roles and to leave it at that. I'm sorry that I got carried away. So, I'm
sorry. I hope you understand.
Signed,
Flare
----------------------------
Jesse N. Richardson (Flare)
Linux jesse-desktop 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 i686
GNU/Linux
Kubuntu 7.10
You Rock and You Rule!