[01:09] <Trip> honestly
[01:09] <Trip> fuck "talk like a pirate day"
[01:09] <Trip> that's stupid
[01:09] <Trip> we need a "talk like a victorian englishman" day
[01:10] <LordHydronium> "We talked of the Ouran-Outang, and of Lord Monboddo's thinking that he might be taught to speak. Dr. Johnson treated this with ridicule."
[01:10] <LordHydronium> From Googling "ouran-outang".
[01:10] <Trip> XD
[01:12] <Havac> The JC down for anyone else?
[01:12] <LordHydronium> Not I.
[01:13] <Havac> Eh. I have to go to bed anyway.
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[01:13] <Trip> "Mr. Crosbie said, that Lord Monboddo believed the existence
[01:13] <Trip> of every thing possible; in short, that all which is in posse
[01:13] <Trip> might be found in esse."
[01:14] <Trip> The ape called the ouran-outang, approaches,
[01:14] <Trip> in external appearance, nearer to the human form,
[01:14] <Trip> than any other brute; and, from this circumstance,
[01:14] <Trip> it has sometimes obtained the appellation of "Man
[01:14] <Trip> of the Woods."
[01:14] <Trip> Brute
[01:14] <Trip> "sub-human brutes"
[01:14] <LordHydronium> YES
[01:15] <Trip> Valan must say this
[01:16] <LordHydronium> "Sub-human brutes", or the ouran-outang line? Both work for me.
[01:16] <Cull_Tremayne> Awesome.
[01:16] <Trip> Hell, any of it
[01:17] <Trip> "OF all animals yet known the ouran outang
[01:17] <Trip> bears the closest resemblance to man. This
[01:17] <Trip> resemblance is discovered more particularly
[01:17] <Trip> in his hands, feet, and ears, and in the absence
[01:17] <Trip> of a tail; but to a superficial observer
[01:17] <Trip> many others of his features are so like the
[01:17] <Trip> human, that some fanciful writers have been
[01:17] <Trip> tempted to consider him as man in his rudest
[01:17] <Trip> and most uncultivated state. A closer examination,
[01:17] <Trip> however, will detect marks of distinction
[01:17] <Trip> sufficiently strong to overthrow so
[01:17] <Cull_Tremayne> I kind of fine the new design of the fleet uniforms a little disconcerting.
[01:17] <Trip> humiliating an opinion, and to demonstrate
[01:17] <Trip> that, even in anatomical structure, there is a
[01:17] <Trip> wide difference between this animal and the
[01:17] <Trip> most savage of the human species."
[01:17] <Cull_Tremayne> *find
[01:17] <LordHydronium> "Most savage of the human species". 19th century cladistics FTW. XD
[01:18] <Trip> :D
[01:18] <Trip> I never knew google books had awesome victorian stuff
[01:20] <Trip> The nose
[01:20] <Trip> of the ouran outang is flatter, and his mouth
[01:20] <Trip> wider, than that of the negro ; his forehead is
[01:20] <Trip> more oblique ; his eyes are much closer ; the
[01:20] <Trip> distance between the nose and mouth is much
[01:20] <Trip> greater than in man, and his chin has no elevation
[01:20] <Trip> at the base. Neither has he any calf
[01:20] <Trip> to his legs, and, though he sometimes walks
[01:20] <Trip> on two, it is now certain that this attitude is
[01:20] <Trip> not natural to him.
[01:21] <LordHydronium> ...wow.
[01:22] <Cull_Tremayne> People actually wrote this stuff?
[01:22] <Jorrel> So, what is Trip posting?
[01:22] <LordHydronium> Victorian era books.
[01:22] <Trip> yeah
[01:22] <LordHydronium> Specifically ones that mention the ouran-outang.
[01:23] <Trip> they didn't belive in NPOV
[01:24] <Jorrel> Sweet.
[01:25] <Trip> It therefore appears to me that a creature of the ape or ouran outang kind is here intended; and that Satan made use of this creature as the most proper instrument for the accomplishment of his murderous purposes against the life and soul of man. Under this creature he lay hid, and by this creature he seduced our first parents, and drew off or slunk away from every eye but the eye of God....
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[01:25] <Trip> ...Such a creature answers to every part of the description in the text: it is evident from the structure of its limbs and their muscles that it might have been originally designed to walk erect, and that nothing less than a sovereign controlling power could induce them to put down hands in every respect formed like those of man, and walk like those creatures whose claw-armed paws prove them...
[01:25] <Trip> ...to have been designed to walk on all fours. Dr. Tyson has observed in his anatomy of an ouran outang, that the seminal vessels passed between the two coats of the peritoneum to the scrotum, as in man; hence he argues that this creature was designed to walk erect, as it is otherwise in all quadrupeds. The subtlety, cunning, endlessly varied pranks and tricks of these creatures, show them,...
[01:25] <Trip> ...even now, to be more subtle and more intelligent than any other creature, man alone excepted. Being obliged now to walk on all fours, and gather their food from the ground, they are literally obliged to eat the dust; and though exceedingly cunning, and careful in a variety of instances to separate that part which is wholesome and proper for food from that which is not so, in the article...
[01:25] <Trip> ...of cleanliness they are lost to all sense of propriety; and though they have every means in their power of cleansing the aliments they gather off the ground, and from among the dust, yet they never in their savage state make use of any, except a slight rub against their side, or with one of their hands, more to see what the article is than to cleanse it. Add to this, their utter aversion...
[01:25] <Trip> ...to walk upright; it requires the utmost discipline to bring them to it, and scarcely anything irritates them more than to be obliged to do it. Long observation on some of these animals enables me to state these facts.
[01:25] <Trip> woah
[01:25] <Trip> way long
[01:25] <Trip> But it's loltastic
[01:26] <Jorrel> Dear Waru...
[01:26] <Trip> (it's on why satan's an ouran-outang, not a snake
[01:26] <Jorrel> So, what is it with the ouran outang?
[01:26] <Cull_Tremayne> Orangutan=racial epithet.
[01:26] <Trip> Well
[01:27] <Trip> Of all the animals yet known, he bears the closest resemblence to Man
[01:27] <Cull_Tremayne> In a very very primitive explanation.
[01:27] <LordHydronium> "Long observation on some of these animals enables me to state these facts." lol
[01:27] <Trip> Yeah, the best (or worst) part?
[01:28] <Trip> http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkegen3.htm
[01:28] <Trip> It seems to be provided without any irony whatsoever
[01:28] <Trip> on a modern web site
[01:28] <Trip> as a bible study tool
[01:28] <LordHydronium> o_O
[01:29] <Trip> be afraid
[01:29] <Trip> or amused
[01:29] <LordHydronium> Who says "ouran outang" nowadays? Who?
[01:29] <Trip> I'm thinking it's a 19th c text
[01:30] <Trip> provided to modern readers
[01:30] <LordHydronium> Ah, OK.
[01:30] <Cull_Tremayne> dude, scary.
[01:30] <LordHydronium> Reads like it.
[01:30] <Trip> which is just as scary
[01:30] <Trip> Ah, here you go
[01:30] <Trip> the author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Clarke
[01:31] <LordHydronium> I want to see an Imperial write about alien species in this style.
[01:32] <Trip> yeah
[01:32] <Trip> with accompanying lithographs
[01:32] <LordHydronium> "The Wookiee is like man in form, but his brutish strength and diminished intellect distinguish him from his nobler cousin."
[01:32] <Trip> "Ouo-kee"
[01:32] <Trip> maybe
[01:32] <LordHydronium> Yes. :D
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[01:36] <LordHydronium> "There is a peculiar property of the men of Cheunh: their skin has retained a noticeable blue pallor. It bids us ask whether this is the work of the Maker, or whether, being a people of impropriety, they have earned such a disfiguring mark by their own actions."
[01:37] <Trip> :D
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[01:46] <Trip> "There lives in the marshes of Naboo a most peculiar speciesof beings; they resemble nothing so much as a commen garden-toad poured into the form of a man, and, indeed, walk in an erect fashin not dissimilar to ours. The most curious trait of these frog-men, however, is by far the clamour they emit when alarmed-- a squeaky, boistrous sound that sounds not dissimilar to His Imperial Majesty's...
[01:46] <Trip> ...Basic, though mangled in brutish fashion. It is however without doubt that this does not constitue true speech, whatever flights of fancy some artists may court, for this foppish creature is clearly without the wits possessed of even the most base of the sub-human races."