<deadfire> I can't complain about fake grain. Still looks great.
<%b9AcE> I don't understand all this fiddling around. I just want it to look like it does on the source media.
<deadfire> Hmm
<deadfire> Well, then I guess you are satisified with SEPTiC releases?
<deadfire> Because I'm not. :-\
<%b9AcE> No? Bad AR and edge enhancements are not on source media?
<deadfire> Well, I've seen the same on some blind releases too
<deadfire> But I'm not trying to get into an argument about groups
<%b9AcE> Yes. It is common. I still don't understand why...
<+Ryoken> ESiR and CtrlHD .. and old iLL.. that's about all I get..
<deadfire> Same here Ryoken.. But I do get some SEPTiC releases
<deadfire> And of course, fix the sync before watching the SEP's :-P
<deadfire> I'm not a big fan of this new group Chakra, either
<@MartinRiggs> time for a short nap
<@MartinRiggs> see you later
<deadfire> Later
<deadfire> And that one 30 days of night that got put up on here by the R**District or whatever
<%b9AcE> To apply smoothing for easier compression, maybe I could understand but not like. But the rest, I just don't get it.
<deadfire> Meh
<%Ijiin> woha
<deadfire> I like a little grain whoring every now and again.
<deadfire> Makes some releases look phenomenal.
<deadfire> Movies that should have had it to begin with.
<%b9AcE> But that should be up to the director, not the encoder (in my opinion).
<deadfire> Well, a lot of the time, the director has no part in the encoding [remember, before we get blu-rays, they go through an encoding house]
----A CHALLENGER APPEARS----
<@xring> :))
<%b9AcE> Yeah, but if the people encoding to disc modifies the look of the movie, that is even worse. The goal as I see it should be to achieve an experience as much as possible like it would have been in the cinema.
<deadfire> Which is why I do enjoy grain.
<@xring> (19:01:54) <deadfire> I think I was going to get the ESiR rip but it looked like it had too much smoothing
<deadfire> .. Yes?
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<@xring> i wander what you would say if you got 2 movies for comparison
<deadfire> ...?
<deadfire> Excuse me?
<@xring> same ar and resolution
<@xring> septic and ctlrhd for example
<@xring> you could not see a difference in 4 time of 5
<@xring> there are bunch of septics encodes
<@xring> that look great
<deadfire> ..
<deadfire> [-02:10:47AM-] <Exhalmor> I'm sorry but at a certain point, I stop seeing a distinguishable difference in encodes
<@xring> and only problem is
<deadfire> You and that fellow seem to share that same mindset.
<deadfire> I, feel that is a slap in the face for the encoding group
<deadfire> CtrlHD put actual work into encoding
<@xring> :))
<@xring> sure they do
<deadfire> While a scene group like SEPTiC, just grab the source, run it through a command line, and upload it.
<deadfire> A scene group release will never hold a candle to an internal
<deadfire> Which is why I'd take a BLiND over SEPTiC anyday.
<deadfire> Despite people hating on it.
<@xring> thats fanboys talking
<deadfire> No, that's truth talking.
<@xring> like i said
<deadfire> Fuck scene groups.
<@xring> i could show you some movies
<deadfire> Go ahead.
<deadfire> And I'll show you EVERY SINGLE SEPTIC RELEASE LOSING SYNC
<@xring> where you did not notice difference
<deadfire> Why?
<+Ryoken> Internals > Scene . 99% of the time. fact.
<@xring> except ar and resolution
<deadfire> Because they don't actually review it.
<@xring> due stupid mod16 rules
<@xring> fanboys > scene
<@xring> 100% fact
<+Ryoken> I've downloaded my fair share of scene and been stuck waiting for an internal to get it done right..
<@xring> well prejudice plays an important part in all this
<@xring> its looks similar to hdbits fanboys
<@xring> but for example septics jesse james
<@xring> was ok
<@xring> they even cropped video to keep OAR
<@xring> and only 1 reason why ctrlhd is proper over it
<@xring> is resolution
<@xring> sync issues - maybe
<@xring> as its hddvd and they dont give some time for it
<+Ryoken> Every Reveille I've downloaded has had sync issues..
<@xring> or as it bluray
<Celeborn> scene sucks
<@xring> scene improves
<Celeborn> improves what?
<@xring> itself
<@xring> encoding quality etc
<@xring> and one thing for sure sucks
<@xring> attitude
<@xring> prejudice to be exact
<Celeborn> yeah, they improve from impossible to watch to very bad
<@xring> and after all, ctrlhd is not a miravle
<@xring> miracle
<@xring> bunch of encoders with same profiles
<@xring> encoding over and over again
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<@xring> so please dont put esir and ctlhd on the sema chair:)
<@xring> same*
<+Ryoken> And yet it always looks better..
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<Celeborn> +1
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<deadfire> Alright
<deadfire> I'm back now
<deadfire> And, I'm still slightly irked that you called me a "fanboy"
<deadfire> I'm speaking purely from experience, over the past 6 months
<deadfire> From being only allowed scene released, to having the pleasure of experiencing internal rips
<deadfire> You claiming that all the encoders use the same profile in ctrlhd, is pure and utter bullshit
<deadfire> You have no right to judge a group based off of how you were treated over one of your releases.
<@xring> :))
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<deadfire> I've had one on one's hundreds of times with multiple CtrlHD encoders, all of which use their own methods, so your claim of "same profiles" is utter nonsense.
<@xring> sure
<deadfire> Xring, I saw how people treated you, and it wasn't right. But you can't take away countless hours of work from people, just because of your bad experience.
<@xring> my talks came from despair
<@xring> im glad that you solved my problem
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<deadfire> I'm not attempting to solve any problem.
<deadfire> It just seems like because of how you were treated, you'd prefer a scene release?
<deadfire> Like Ryoken said, every Reveille rls, sync issues.
<deadfire> As I said, every SEPTiC rls, sync issues
<deadfire> When it's a race, no one wins
<deadfire> You just get cold, lifeless encodes.
<deadfire> source -> command line -> upload
<Celeborn> agree
<@xring> im glad that you think that all i said is becouse of that accident with jesse james:))
<deadfire> Take sportcenter's encode of Apocalypto. He spent over 50 hours on that [of course that includes encoding time.. But on a q6600, it's a quick job]... In other words, he redid it over 3 times to get it proper and on-point.
<@xring> but generaly its sad that you dont give even a second to think that there might be a little bit of truth
<deadfire> Now, you take a scene release.. They only rerelease it if people in their own group notice a problem
<deadfire> Which a lot of the time, doesn't happen
<deadfire> For instance, Michael Clayton's release by SEPTiC
<Celeborn> scene rules are stupid and wrong
<deadfire> Had a sync fix
<deadfire> Now.... I have RARELY ever seen a sync fix come from this group
<deadfire> But yet, every one of their releases needs a sync fix
<Celeborn> they don't even watch it after they encode
<deadfire> Exactly.
<deadfire> So no, it's not fanboy. It's experience.
<deadfire> When you get fucked in the ass by wasting your credit, you tend to learn a thing or two.
<deadfire> A little bit of truth in what, xring? The fact that you are DEFENDING the scene?
<@xring> ffs :))
<deadfire> The fact that it appears your hatred has sprouted from this one incident?
<%Ijiin> lo lo lo lo
<@xring> first i dont give ashit about that incident
<Celeborn> who hates who?
<@xring> second
<Celeborn> i love everybody :)
<The_Coolest> http://fukung.net/v/6116/917471671_61f2f1bc19_o.jpg
<@xring> i wanted to say that some scene encodes are good enough
<@xring> that you could not see a difference
<Celeborn> specially when i'm drunk
<@xring> if it had same resolution
<@xring> and files were untaggeg
<Celeborn> sure
<@xring> d.
<Celeborn> but it's rare
<+Ryoken> No such thing as "Good Enough" when dealing with HD.. It's great.. or less than.
<@xring> so bashing scene generaly is lame
<deadfire> Well xring, you bashing CtrlHD for no reason at all is lame
<deadfire> I mean hell man
<deadfire> [-09:04:07AM-] <deadfire> But I'm not trying to get into an argument about groups
<deadfire> Then what did you do, the instant you joined the conversation?
<@xring> i have my reasons
<deadfire> You began bashing.
<@xring> and all those reasons are not related to me personaly
<deadfire> You went as far as to say CtrlHD uses the same scripts for encoding? I mean come on man, how much more hatred can you express that you have to lie?
<deadfire> If anything, SCENE groups use the same encoding parameters.
<@xring> lol
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<deadfire> Like I said earlier, when it's a race, nobody wins
<deadfire> I didn't try and start shit xring, hell I even tried to avoid having this whole group argument
<deadfire> But you pushed it, for no reason at all.
<deadfire> And you called me a fanboy? On what grounds?
<@xring> i pushed it with my hatred:))
<@xring> ffs i have a real life
<@xring> and thing to hate there
<@xring> or love
<deadfire> I mean come on man, sure seems like you were just blindly trying to start shit about anything
<@xring> i was trying to tell you some things that are true
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<@xring> but looks like i did not succeed
<deadfire> ... OK, so I guess because I fucking prefer to have enjoyable content I don't have a real life?
<deadfire> You tried to pass off lies and opinions as truth.
<@xring> lies
<@xring> sure:)
<deadfire> And calling someone a fanboy, who you claim to be showing the light to, isn't helping your cause
<@xring> i had worked on my plan to spread som lies
<tJev> deadfire: is it anything wrong with beeing a fanboy?
<deadfire> Whatever xring. You go ahead and believe whatever you want. Go ahead, tell more lies and try and talk shit on things that don't appreciate you. I'm done man
<@xring> how else i can call anyone who bashes scnene just becouse its scene
<@xring> :)))
<+Ryoken> Fanboi is something who loves something without reason.. thus it's always an insult..
<deadfire> Exactly.
<@xring> yes thats an insult
<deadfire> I have experience.
<@xring> sure you do
<deadfire> Honestly man, you are a prick.
<deadfire> I tried avoiding this whole spiel
<deadfire> But no, you had to fucking push it
<deadfire> I don't get it
<@xring> and your experience became a standart
<deadfire> I like this place
<deadfire> And I like the people, but your ignorance is just unfathomable.
<@xring> my ignorance:))
<deadfire> Yes.
<tJev> what does infathomable mean?
<tJev> *un
<deadfire> of depth; not capable of being sounded or measured @ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=unfathomable ( http://www.google.com/search?q=define:unfathomable )
<@xring> ignorance is to tell that all scene sucks
<@xring> thats what i was trying to say
<tJev> ok
<deadfire> Ignorance is to support something that doesn't care about what they release, but rather cares about the time in which they release it.
<@xring> i did not support anything
<tJev> !user deadfire
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<@xring> you need to start read what iwrite
<deadfire> Well, when I can hardly understand it, it becomes slightly hard to read it.
<deadfire> But, if you are saying that it is ignorant to say "all scene sucks", then that is supporting it.
<@xring> its client side problem
<deadfire> Yea... Your mIRC makes you mispell your statements.
<@xring> youre escalating this shit
<deadfire> I have more then ONCE tried to drop this shit
<@xring> and that is strating to annoy me
<deadfire> Do you think I want to argue with someone who has power?
<deadfire> No, because you can easily ban me.
<deadfire> I already stated I like this place, I like the people. I've tried multiple times to change the subject.
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<deadfire> Yet, you keep pushing this issue. So you obviously have something to prove.
<deadfire> It's incredulous, and I'm over it.
<tJev> or perhaps he is just bored...
<@xring> or maybe i have my believes
<deadfire> Beliefs. EXACTLY>
<deadfire> So stop trying to pass them off as facts.
<tJev> or maybe you hate deadfire
<tJev> :P
<@xring> and i cant be such lame to ban someone just for other opinion
<@xring> its enough that we have hdbits besides
<@xring> where some get bans
<@xring> for most ridiculious reasons
<deadfire> Well, if you called me a fanboy for no reason other then to try and mock me biasly, I can imagine you slung worse things to those who humiliated your release.
<@xring> and you got again to it
<@xring> read:
<@xring> i dont care about it
<deadfire> ...
<@xring> its pathetic and even funny
<deadfire> You are the most hypocritical man I have ever met.
<@xring> that whole hdbits leet encoders
<@xring> bashed release, sized thice less
<deadfire> Thank you for this conversation. But good lord, I can't continue this. You hate on something blindly, support something that shouldn't be supported, then when you are called out on it, "I don't care" "I'm not defending anything"
<@xring> for quality
<@xring> and claimed that i used filters:))
<@xring> take your time to read it again
<deadfire> So you go ahead and live in your land where you claim you don't have time to worry about things, but then bash on them.. But I won't give into your blindness.
<@xring> maybe you will understand something
<@xring> blindness?
<@xring> ffs thats you that one whos blind
<@xring> i was trying to tell some facts that might be true
<@xring> and at least they deserve some consideration
<deadfire> opinions*
<@xring> facts
<tJev> lol
<deadfire> a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty
<tJev> you guys are killing me..
<@xring> fact 1 - some scene encodes are good
<deadfire> Opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty
<deadfire> [-09:39:00AM-] <@xring> or maybe i have my believes
<deadfire> [-09:41:45AM-] <deadfire> You are the most hypocritical man I have ever met.
<@xring> fact 2 - you could not tell the difference between your praised group and scene encode
<deadfire> professing feelings or virtues one does not have
<@xring> go ahead
<@xring> trach me some basic things
<Agamemnon> talking about ESiR, are we?
<%b9AcE> Wow. A B-2 plane has crashed. They cost $7.5 billion U.S. a piece...
<@xring> how to live and act
<+Ryoken> and ctrlhd and septic and reveille..
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<tJev> b9AcE: yeah i heard about it earlier this day
<deadfire> I'm not trying to teach you ANYTHING. I'm quoting things you say, and showing that you contradict yourself constantly! You are the one who claims you are trying to TEACH ME!
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<@xring> well its you that one who has 6 months experience
<@xring> and ive been looking at scene encodes from the begining
<deadfire> DANG IM IMPRESSED.
<@xring> and i can tell how they improved
<@xring> and i can tell that you cant see it
<@xring> as you clam that it all sucks
<deadfire> Xring, you are foolish beyond all belief.
<~siulas> break it ffs
<deadfire> I'm done.
<Agamemnon> hehe
<deadfire> I've ignored you.
<deadfire> I've tried to drop this plenty of times, but you resort to personal attacks.
<Agamemnon> and he knows how to get you going, doesnt he? :)
<@xring> you are too stupid to understand what im saying
<deadfire> If I wanted to attack you personally, I could have gone and mocked your grammar or anything of that nature. I could have blindly just attacked your releases. But I'm a bigger man then that. Yet you call me a fanboy, say that because I've been in internal groups for 6 months that I have no experience.
<Agamemnon> hehe
<@xring> grammar:)
<@xring> grammar my ass
<+Ryoken> Improved.. from utter shit to .. ? Improved does not mean they are as good as nonscene... and I've been around for more than 6months.. I can tell the diff between a 1080 and 720 movie on my 1366x768 tv.. so I can see the diff between a septic and a blind and a ctrlhd and esir encodes..
<deadfire> !addquote <@xring> take your time to read it again | <@xring> maybe you will understand something | <@xring> ffs thats you that one whos blind
-BHD-bot- Chi Chinga...
<deadfire> Anyways.
<deadfire> How is everyones day?
<tJev> great :D
<Agamemnon> better seeing a fight like this :)
<deadfire> :-)
<deadfire> I'm just glad I'm still here, and not banned.
<+Ryoken> There's still time deadfire ;)
<deadfire> I didn't want to get involved in a fight, regardless of authority.
<%b9AcE> xring would never band someone for stating their opinion.
<tJev> well, like xring mentioned he doesnt ban ppl for random reasons
<%b9AcE> ban*
<Agamemnon> exactly
<~siulas> i do... :D
^^^^^ Lovely mind-set.
<deadfire> By the way, xring, sportcenter said hi