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[16:17:15] -> *jabbu* yt?
[16:21:16] *Jabbu* I beg your pardon?
[16:21:41] -> *Jabbu* I was asking if you were around.
[16:21:46] *Jabbu* Ah
[16:21:49] -> *Jabbu* I wanted to ask you about Aquardente.
[16:21:56] -> *Jabbu* Or, specifically, when he began to abuse his Op status.
[16:22:34] *Jabbu* Well, if you're going to ask questions like that you're wasting My time. If you have a complaint, register it clearly and, 
  preferably, with a logged example.
[16:22:51] -> *Jabbu* Very well. I'll have to do it a line at a time, if that's OK.
[16:22:58] *Jabbu* Of course
[16:23:43] -> *Jabbu* (original line lost, I advised BlondeChik, whose whois indicated a lesbian female domme, of the channel rules on such)
[16:23:50] -> *Jabbu* [13:56:02] *BlondeChik* sadly you are mistaken
[16:23:56] -> *Jabbu* [13:56:18] -> *BlondeChik* I'm afraid I'm not. See the /whois and the rules on the channel homepage.
[16:24:01] -> *Jabbu* [13:56:51] *BlondeChik* Dear one, I have been qualified by two ops in the last two days, I will take their lead
[16:24:09] -> *Jabbu* [13:56:59] -> *BlondeChik* Which ops would those be?
[16:24:13] -> *Jabbu* [13:57:17] *BlondeChik* Have a great day
[16:24:19] -> *Jabbu* [13:57:36] -> *BlondeChik* Which ops would those be?
[16:24:42] -> *Jabbu* After not receiving a reply for a second time, I advised Aquardente of the situation and asked if he was one of the ops in 
  question:
[16:24:49] -> *Jabbu* (again, original query line lost)
[16:24:54] -> *Jabbu* [14:01:31] *Aquardente* pardon?
[16:25:01] -> *Jabbu* [14:01:55] -> *Aquardente* I reminded her of the channel rules about female dommes, and she responded with "I have 
  been qualified by two ops in the last two days"
[16:25:10] -> *Jabbu* [14:03:02] *Aquardente* what rule about fem Doms? Are you refering to?
[16:25:14] -> *Jabbu* [14:03:31] -> *Aquardente* My understanding is that male subs and female Dommes were effectively prohibited.
[16:25:19] -> *Jabbu* [14:04:33] *Aquardente* Mac2 when did you become an Op on #FSS?
[16:25:24] -> *Jabbu* [14:05:19] -> *Aquardente* I never said I was, but I am quite capable of reading. If I'm mistaken in my understanding of 
  the rules as published, I thank you for the clarification.
[16:25:31] -> *Jabbu* [14:07:26] *Aquardente* from what I have read Mac2 you sure come off as if your really trying to be one, and frankly as 
  one of the 2 senior Ops of #FSS I will tell you only once, don't cross that line again
[16:25:36] -> *Jabbu* [14:08:24] -> *Aquardente* I merely asked whether you did or did not do your claim, because whether dommes are 
  respected or not, I would like to believe liars about the ops are *not*.
[16:25:42] -> *Jabbu* [14:08:59] -> *Aquardente* BTW, there's no need to compare credentials or dick lengths here - I created the first 
  US<>Euro IRC gateway in 1990 (catt.nscu.edu, if you recall) and have been IRCOpping for over a decade, so please don't confuse me for a petty 
  op-squabbler.
[16:25:54] -> *Jabbu* I was then banned with the following:
[16:26:08] -> *Jabbu* [14:11:55] * You were kicked from #femsubmissionsex by Dartanian (Banned: test@h-68-164-37-117.nycmny83.dynamic.c
  ovad.net trouble maker Perm)
[16:26:13] -> *Jabbu* I responded in private with:
[16:26:24] -> *Jabbu* [14:13:18] -> *Aquardente* Troublemaker? By asking if a user is lying *about* you? Are you fucking kidding me?
[16:26:32] -> *Jabbu* [14:13:45] -> *Aquardente* Please advise as to the e-mail address of the channel owner.
[16:26:36] -> *Jabbu* [14:13:50] *Aquardente* have a nice day
[16:26:41] -> *Jabbu* [14:13:56] -> *Aquardente* See above.
[16:26:48] -> *Jabbu* [14:16:00] -> *Aquardente* Should I take this as an active refusal to provide me with contact information for the channel 
  owner?
[16:26:53] -> *Jabbu* [14:17:58] -> *Aquardente* Very well.
[16:26:58] -> *Jabbu* [14:36:23] *BlondeChik* so are we clear now?
[16:27:02] -> *Jabbu* [14:47:06] -> *BlondeChik* That Aquardente is an ass overstepping his bounds? Yes, quite clear.
[16:27:10] -> *Jabbu* <end of sequence>
[16:27:33] -> *Jabbu* Now if you tell me I have no right to be pissed, I'll shut up. But I think I was quite respectful to Aqua until he got all bad-ass 
  on me for no reason.
[16:27:35] *Jabbu* First things first. Aquardente is right about one thing - It's not your business to check status on people, that's our job. 
[16:27:40] *Jabbu* So don't do it.
[16:27:53] *Jabbu* But I don't really see why you should have been banned.
[16:28:00] -> *Jabbu* If I see a user making a claim _about the ops_, I think I have a responsibility to check it with them, no?
[16:28:14] *Jabbu* Nope.
[16:28:25] -> *Jabbu* Very well - if you guys don't care, I won't care.
[16:28:26] *Jabbu* If you see a user breaking the rules, you should tell an Op.
[16:28:35] -> *Jabbu* That's precisely what I thought I did.
[16:28:39] -> *Jabbu* and caught shit for it.
[16:28:39] *Jabbu* We'll handle the status-checking, that's why we're here.
[16:28:45] *Jabbu* What rule did you think she was breaking?
[16:28:55] *Jabbu* Female Dommes are allowed here.
[16:29:09] -> *Jabbu* OK - would it not have been enough for him to simply tell me that?
[16:29:17] -> *Jabbu* Because I was quite certain that wasn't the case, but very well, my error.
[16:29:26] -> *Jabbu* and I said that it might be my mistake in my original dialog with him.
[16:29:35] -> *Jabbu* but the abuse-of-power issue is what chaps my ass a bit.
[16:31:40] -> *Jabbu* So what do you recommend here? I think it was an unfair ban, you don't see justification for a ban - who do I appeal to 
  here? vix?
[16:32:14] *Jabbu* No one
[16:32:35] -> *Jabbu* *blink* Say again?
[16:32:48] *Jabbu* Jigga is the channel owner. If you *really* want to complain, go ahead, but I doubt anything will come of it, particularly 
  because of the circumstances
[16:33:03] -> *Jabbu* The 'circumstances'? He made a bad call.
[16:33:12] *Jabbu* No, *you* made a bad call
[16:33:19] *Jabbu* And he got irritated with you for it
[16:33:27] -> *Jabbu* Irritation != justification for a ban.
[16:33:40] -> *Jabbu* If he'd opped one of *my* channels, he'd be shitlisted for such behavior.
[16:33:44] *Jabbu* So again, I don't think the ban was justified, but it's not like he did it for *nothing*
[16:33:46] *Jabbu* Well, he's not
[16:33:51] -> *Jabbu* and I'm shocked it flies here, since I've always regarded this channel as one of the saner ones.
[16:34:15] *Jabbu* Meh, everyone ops slightly different and has different buttons
[16:36:05] -> *Jabbu* Ops rules are inviolate and documented on any good channel, and I was certain this was one of them. Attitude and emotion 
  aren't factors. They don't lead to good judgment. But you answered my question, I'll discuss with Jigga.
[16:38:15] *Jabbu* Again, this issue doesn't involve Me so I don't really have a strong opinion on it either way...
[16:38:47] *Jabbu* but for someone who seems to have a solid grasp on the dynamics and considerations involved with opping, I find it strange 
  that you are performing Op duties on a channel you're not actually Opping in.
[16:40:45] -> *Jabbu* If someone comes to me privately and says "hey, Jabbu gave me a cookie" and I ask you if it's true, I'm not performing Op 
  duties. I'm verifying something I was told. That is not a subtle distinction.
[16:40:59] -> *Jabbu* I did NOT, at any point, ask the user to be removed for being a domme. I asked if her story was true.
[16:41:12] -> *Jabbu* There's a time where common sense plays a role here.
[16:42:06] *Jabbu* Umm, you said the first thing you did was advise BlondeChik about the rules.
[16:42:09] *Jabbu* Not your job.
[16:42:18] *Jabbu* That checking stuff? That's not what I'm talking about.
[16:42:27] *Jabbu* If you feel that someone's spreading rumours by all means check it out
[16:42:50] *Jabbu* But the whole reason this started is because *you* were questioning BlondeChik's status, which is *not* your job.
[16:43:09] -> *Jabbu* And that's precisely what I did, *based on my understanding of the channel rules*. Besides that, we are a _community_. 
  Opping is not a "job". It's something people are assigned to do, and quite honestly, it's a PITA.
[16:43:21] -> *Jabbu* But it is _everyone's_ responsibility to keep the channel a safe and enjoyable place for everyone.
[16:43:30] *Jabbu* Because you consider it a PITA doesn't mean everyone else does.
[16:43:36] *Jabbu* I honestly don't mind it at all
[16:43:47] *Jabbu* And it's NOT everyone's responsibility to check status.
[16:44:27] *Jabbu* You are *not* an op in this channel, you're certainly not the channel owner. We do status checks so no one else has to.
[16:44:29] -> *Jabbu* *sigh* I'm not going to debate the finer points of community contribution and hive mentality. I'll leave it at the key points: I 
  followed up on a story I was given and was banned for it. The ban had nothing to do with me checking status.
[16:44:51] * Jabbu sighs
[16:45:06] -> *Jabbu* Let's assume, for the purpose of argument, you're right.
[16:45:37] -> *Jabbu* Is it SOP to instantly perma-ban someone for doing a status check without understanding people are going to get their 
  panties in a wad about it?
[16:45:42] *Jabbu* Then the only thing I would have done differently is I wouldn't have banned you.
[16:45:47] -> *Jabbu* Do you want me to concur that's not an abuse of power? Because I can't.
[16:46:23] -> *Jabbu* What I did wasn't dangerous. I find Aquardente to be rogue. That's dangerous. If this WERE my channel, he'd have no place 
  on it, and I intend to communicate that to the owner. What they do with that information is up to them.
[16:47:06] -> *Jabbu* And I apologize for getting you caught up in this, I know you're in the middle. All I wanted was a second opinion, and I 
  appreciate your feedback (both pro and con).
[16:47:24] *Jabbu* thank you, it's nice to know that someone can respect intelligent dialogue :)
[16:47:26] * Jabbu tips His cap
[16:47:38] -> *Jabbu* *nods in return*