##freebsd
<gongoputch> I will not and you can't make me.
<Asako> lol
<Asako> it's what I use
<comperr> Asako: I've been trying that
<comperr> and it fails
<gongoputch> Asako: I set it up like this http://bsdtips.utcorp.net/mediawiki/index.php/Run_Esd,_Arts,_Jack_and_OSS
<code64> eh i was thinking about trying to run a desktop bsd on my desktop...but i dunno :/
<Asako> cool, thanks
<Asako> looks like amarok won't play if jackd is running
<gongoputch> code64: the DT tools are in ports too
<gongoputch> code64: I just use FBSD as my desktop
<code64> well i just got freebsd up and running on my laptop with wireless working last night thanks to jpalmer
<gongoputch> yay
<code64> wireless was the main thing but yeah i am stoked about that
<gongoputch> what was the bug-a-boo?
<code64> edit /boot/loader.conf and /etc/rc.conf
<Asako> it's just annoying because only one thing can have sound open
<comperr> Asako: I have linux-firefox
<comperr> and it won't intall flash
<mulvane_> I use win32 firefox
<code64> i have that saved in a txt file and the whole irc chat from last night in case i have more problems (or re-install) lol
<Asako> comperr, I had to do it by hand
<gongoputch> Asako: did you READ that article?
<Asako> yeah, I'm reading it
<comperr> Asako: what did you have to do ?
<gongoputch> Asako: I have 3 things running sound
<gongoputch> you can set up more
<Asako> comperr, download the flash7 tar file
<code64> yeah but the thing with the desktop is that someone else uses it too but just to check their internet
<comperr> Asako: I tried that - but it says your os is not suported
<Asako> extract it and copy the plugin files to the linux-firefox plugin directory
<comperr> o
<code64> so that can be done on anyone
<Asako> yeah, you need to find a mirror
<Asako> or use adobe's ftp server
<comperr> aksis: I did use adobe's
<Asako> I can copy it to my server if you need it
<Asako> http://watters.ws/rpms/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
<comperr> Asako: I got it
<comperr> thanks :D
<comperr> now for sound hda
<Asako> no problem
<Asako> yeah, I'm trying to fix sound so I can watch videos and use amarok at the same time
* comperr I hate that 6.2 doesn't support it
<AcidSlep> allo!
<code64> hey AcidSlep
<gongoputch> Asako: are the vchans working?
<AcidSlep> I got those scsi drives working! yay!
<gongoputch> to allow multiple apps sound access?
<AcidSlep> what are you working on now code64?
<code64> well i am good to go on my laptop atm but i am looking to install something on the comp i am on now
<AcidSlep> install "something"
<AcidSlep> like a new os?
<code64> oh sorry lol
<code64> yeah
<AcidSlep> coo
<code64> either desktopbsd,freebsd,or pc-bsd
<mwc> Damn
<mwc> Got this this printing almost working
<code64> i am thinking something desktopy because someone else has to use it too
<AcidSlep> you can make freebsd desktopy
<AcidSlep> its just
<mwc> except that everything is transposed too far up the page (bout a quarter inch or so)
<AcidSlep> harder
<mwc> anybody seen that happen before (using foomatic-rip as the input-filter)
<code64> yeah i know but i don't want all that extra work
<AcidSlep> mwc: atleast it works
<AcidSlep> yeah
<code64> so i am deciding between desktopbsd and pc-bsd
<mwc> AcidSlep: yeah, but it cuts out a coupla lines of text
<AcidSlep> ive found desktop bsd to be alright
<code64> how bout pc-bsd?
<AcidSlep> never tried it
<Asako> hmm, looks like the xine port doesn't have jack support
<AcidSlep> Asako: for what?
<code64> in fact i don't even think the pc-bsd live cd worked for me from what i recall :/
<Asako> AcidSlep, amarok
<code64> a lot of them don't actually
<code64> i think there is something wrong with this computer
<gongoputch> code64: if you install FBSD and add applications, why do you need an "idiot proof" install? You are already past the idiot part ....
<code64> because this computer isn't just for my use
<Asako> once the desktop is running does it matter?
<gongoputch> Asako: you can just tell each naieve OSS app to use a different /dev/dspX.Y device
<Asako> yeah, amarok only lets you set /dev/dsp
<gongoputch> code64: but what is the difference WHAT installs it once you are running it?
<AcidSlep> lol why do you want amarok?
<code64> huh?
<Asako> because the interface rules
<gongoputch> Asako: you could use a shim then, e.g. esddsp
<Helio> code64: listen to me; if it's a FreeBSD 6.x release it's using, your rum card /will not work/ and it has nothing to do with what it is.
<AcidSlep> it does not look that special...
<Asako> yeah
<code64> oh no this isn't for my laptop i got that taken care of
<code64> but yeah i do have to make sure that card works...
<Asako> I'd still have to rebuild the port most likely
<code64> this will be another bsd project
<code64> and 7.0 rc1 is out
<AcidSlep> hehe
<code64> thats whats on my laptop
<Asako> my laptop runs AntiX
<comperr> [comperr@starfx ~]$ linux-firefox
<comperr> Illegal instruction (core dumped)
<code64> my laptop has no X at all but what's antiX? no X ?
<comperr> Asako: thats what I get from flash
<code64> antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install linux live CD distribution based on MEPIS for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems.
<Asako> comperr, are you on a 64 bit system?
<code64> traitor!
<comperr> Asako: yes
<Asako> that could be the problem
<comperr> Asako: it should run 32 bit programs
<Asako> is linux-firefox 32 bit?
<comperr> I think so
<code64> it's 8bit kickin it old school NES style
<code64> :-p
<Helio> 6.3-RC2 has started hitting mirrors
<Asako> I can't really help much, all I did was copy the plugin files over
<comperr> I should probaly get some kind of live-cd just for flash :(
<Asako> restart firefox, everything is fine
<code64> you can call the live cd : where did it go?!
<code64> because it's FLASH!
<code64> lol
<Asako> lol
<code64> or call it "say cheese"
<Asako> I wish gnash worked better
<comperr> lol Asako
<Asako> comperr, I'm serious
<Asako> we need a decent open source flash player
<reverser> hi
<reverser> the fonts in firefox looks very very bad in freebsd
<reverser> and its tiny
<reverser> i know u can increase text size with alt + but it doesnt help
<reverser> still looks bad
<reverser> any ideas?
<comperr> Asako: I fully agree
<Zelest> reverser, cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/webfonts/ && make install clean
<reverser> thank you very much
<reverser> brb, reboot
<AcidSlep> i win!
<AcidSlep> oh wait
<AcidSlep> wt sorry
<gongoputch> so, turns out timemachine is not nearly as impressive as I thought. It does not backup files AS you edit them, just runs at intervals and backs up changes.
<Asako> so it's a cron job
<gongoputch> basically what rsync --backup does
<Asako> be cool if they used something like LFS
<gongoputch> Asako: to my understanding, essentially : Yes
<Asako> does anything besides NetBSD have that?
<gongoputch> it would be cool if they used something like kqueue and backed files up AS you editted them
<gongoputch> what is LFS?
<Asako> logged file system
<Asako> you can roll back the whole FS to any point in time
<gongoputch> that is NICE
<Asako> makes file writes kind of slow
<gongoputch> for "timemachine" like backups on FBSD, you could write a snapshot, wait until X time later, mount it, compare the live FS to the snapshot, save the difference, delete the snapshot, go to beginning
<gongoputch> OR for mirror + differences :
<reppie> LFS makes writes very fast
<gongoputch> rsync --backup --backup-directory=/backup/differences/2007/12/30
<reppie> i wish i was as cool as bruce lee
<Asako> me too
* gongoputch makes reppie as cool as bruce lee
<Asako> I may start taking taekwondo soon
<gongoputch> there
<reppie> i want to do a martial art
<Asako> reppie, yeah, they're nice to know
<Asako> think I'll start with taekwondo and take some judo later
<mulvane_> GRAH!!! I just want compiz to work..
<gongoputch> can you -union mount a nullfs ?
* comperr takes jujitsu
<comperr> and I have taken shotokon and krav-maga
<Asako> ITF style of course
<code64> i want to do kung fu
<Asako> better join a shaolin temple
<code64> how come?
<Asako> shaolin kung fu is the best in the world
<code64> yeah i'm asian!
<reppie> Asako how old are you
<code64> cauc asian hahahaha
<Asako> 28.5
<reppie> and you never did a martial art?
<Asako> nope
<reppie> i c
<reppie> why do you have this gay nickname anyway? :(
<code64> no one gets that joke ? (i thought it was pretty clever)
<Asako> reppie, no idea
<reppie> code64 ..
<Asako> my other name was taken
<code64> yes reppie?
<code64> lol
<reppie> Asako what's your other name?
<Asako> Blackknight
<comperr> what joke ?
<mulvane_> Its obviously to the point I should give up....
<ruinevil> hello
<ritalin> hai
* ruinevil has purchase https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665243973
<mwc> Weeee, printing works
<mwc> Asako: fwiw, I studied TKD for about 6 months
<Asako> yay
<Asako> mwc, is it good?
<mwc> On reflection, I think I'd rather learn a martial art that focuses on breaking holds
<Asako> yeah
<mwc> TKD is virtually entirely striking
<Asako> that's why you train in grappling too
<jpaetzel> tkd is a fun sport
<mwc> Now, TKD looks cool
<Asako> judo, BJJ, whatever
<mwc> I just don't see ever using striking
<jpaetzel> not very useful against virtually any other fighting style.
<mwc> If I'm in the position to strike, I'll just flee
<Asako> I dunno
<ruinevil> its intesive tho
<mwc> if I can't flee, then I need to break a hold
<mwc> then I flee
<reverser> hi
<ruinevil> hello
<Asako> be nice if we had a krav maga school around
<jpaetzel> i'm a purple belt in tkd
<reverser> i installed the webfonts thing, but still the fonts aren't good
<mwc> There's a krav maga school in this city actually
<mwc> about a 20 minute bike ride
<Asako> yeah, problem with TKD is somebody can just grab your leg
<jpaetzel> the hopkido guys we train with have far more real-world skills
<mwc> On a serious note...
<reverser> the firefox fonts look very bad :P
<Asako> yes they do
<mwc> I've installed firefox from ports (7.0RC1)
<mwc> and it won't run
<ruinevil> get the ms corefonts
<ruinevil> >.>
<mwc> firefox just dies with not even a peep to stderr
<reverser> how do i get it? i've only used freebsd for 6h
<mwc> same with the package
<reverser> never used linux/unix before
<jpaetzel> mwc: will it start as root?
<mwc> jpaetzel: haven't tried... do that now
<mwc> jpaetzel: it does
<ruinevil> now run it as a user
<ruinevil> >.>
<reverser> ruinevil, where can i find "ms corefonts"?
<ruinevil> i bet itll work now
<ruinevil> hmmmm
<mwc> ruinevil: won't run, same failure mode as befor
<mwc> e
<ruinevil> doesnt appear that freebsd has it
<jpaetzel> I think the fix is rm -rf ~/.firefox
<ruinevil> i guess webfonts
<ruinevil> you do own a copy of windows right
<mwc> jpaetzel: in my homedir? doesn't exist
<ruinevil> somewhere
<reverser> is that what i need to type?
<ruinevil> http://www.freshports.org/x11-fonts/webfonts
<reppie> http://zip.4chan.org/a/src/1199047668807.jpg
<moshisushi> reppie: 4chan ska dö!
<jpaetzel> mwc: it's some dotdir...maybe .mozilla
<reverser> how do i copy a text from bitchx?
<mwc> jpaetzel: it was indeed mozilla
<mwc> thank you, now i need to go have a shower
<ruinevil> what is your console program?
<reverser> xterm i think
<mwc> and wipe away the shame of having run firefox as root
<ruinevil> highlight it?
<mwc> they don't make water scalding enough ;(
<ruinevil> ask jpaetzel
<ruinevil> i dont use xterm
<reverser> i've already installed that port /x11-fonts/webfonts but still it looks bad
<reverser> and i modified the xorg.conf
<reverser> i added one line
<mwc> reverser: you should be able to use the standard X copying routine
<mwc> highlight the text in one window
<reverser> how do i do that?
<reverser> i can't copy and paste to firefox
<ruinevil> do you have antialiasing on?
<mwc> using the left muse button
<mwc> click and drag in the xterm
<reverser> not working
<mwc> then to paste it, just middle click on the firefox
<mwc> *on the text field in firefox
<reverser> now it's working. thank you.
<reverser> sorry if i'm repeating myself but do anyone have any idea how i can get the fonts to look better?
<reverser> (in firefox)
<reverser> i can take a print screen and show you
<mwc> sure
<reverser> how do i take a prnt-screen?
<reverser> i can google, sorry
<reverser> im just lazy today
<ruinevil> antialiasing makes stuff pretty~
<ruinevil> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-fonts.html#ANTIALIAS
<reverser> okay
<ruinevil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeType
<ruinevil> that may also peak your interests
<reverser> advaced sh*t :p
<ruinevil> pique?
<ruinevil> meh
<ruinevil> i fail
<reverser> how do i get the sound working?
<reverser> do i need to download any drivers?
<spaz> reverser, no, this isn't windows
<spaz> :P
<spaz> gimme a minute
<reverser> and if yes, how to i know which drivers i need?
<reverser> hehe, okay :)
<spaz> kldload snd_driver; cat /dev/sndstat
<Asako> snd_driver locks up my box
<spaz> then kldunload snd_driver; kldload (whatever driver works)
<spaz> Asako, not here
<spaz> but i load the proper driver :P
<Asako> me too
<ruinevil> or you can read your system specs
<Asako> reverser, what kind of sound card?
<ruinevil> and figure out what you need
<ruinevil> >.>
<Asako> and check out the handbook section on sound
<mwc> I was really, really impressed with how sound was handled under freebsd
<mwc> and I thought ALSA was brainless
<Belliash> Your FTP down?
<spaz> heh
<ruinevil> oss is more so
<spaz> yes, oss is ugh
<mwc> nah, I love how the kernel does mixing
<spaz> >_>
<spaz> heh
<Belliash> spaz: from spaznet?
<mwc> and the vchans
<spaz> Belliash, ages ago
<spaz> i shut it down a while ago due to lack of activity
<spaz> wait...you're kash, aren't you?
<Belliash> no, i'm not :P
<spaz> hmm
<reverser> spaz what do i need to type afterkldunload snd_driver; kldload?
<spaz> reverser, cat /dev/sndstat
<spaz> and see what sound driver you should load
<Belliash> can anyone tell me what's wrong with ftp.freebsd.org ?
<spaz> Belliash, worksforme (R)
<reverser> okay thank you so much
<Asako> Belliash, it's probably busy
<spaz> reverser, sound works now?
<spaz> reverser, kldload'ing snd_driver is a bit of a kludge, you should find your proper sound card
<spaz> and load that from now on
<spaz> :)
<mwc> reverser: and put it in /boot/loader.conf
<mwc> sound_load="YES" # Digital sound subsystem
<mwc> snd_ich_load="YES" # Intel ICH
<mwc> replace snd_ich with your actual driver
<reverser> thank you but i don't understand 100%
<reverser> is newpcm my driver?
<spaz> Belliash, oh i remember you now!
<code64> Belliash: i had the same problems
<reverser> ] [##freebsd(+cnrt)]
<reverser> [Lag 0] [O/1 N/299 I/0 V/0 F/0] [U:a:S:b:h]
<code64> use another ftp
<spaz> #arcon, wasn't it?
<reverser> [##freebsd] prometh# kldload snd_driver; cat /dev/sndstat
<reverser> FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm)
<Belliash> spaz: right
<Belliash> spaznet was nce but too many netsplits
<code64> Belliash: for some reason if you notice if you're trying to go to that server like doing pkg_add -r or something it is ftp://ftp.freebsd.org
<spaz> Belliash, we fixed those
<spaz> but too little too late
<code64> which doesn't exist
<spaz> so we called it quits
<code64> just choose a different ftp
<code64> same thing happend to me
<Asako> you can change the pkg_root
<Belliash> spaz: i think You can join your server to freenode as U wish
<reverser> how do i save this conversation?
<spaz> Belliash, nah
<spaz> i haven't the time anymore
<code64> copy/paste ?
<Belliash> btw: what is LiveFS?
<spaz> i'll just sit quietly as an observer and not a ruler
<spaz> livefs?
<spaz> never heard of it
<code64> mean either
<reverser> how can i copy all the text? because i can't scroll all the text
<Belliash> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/7.0-RC1-amd64-livefs.iso
<code64> live file system
<code64> ?
<Asako> live cd sounds like
<Belliash> has only 380MB
<Belliash> 280*
<code64> http://user.berklix.org/~dgw/
<reverser> sorry for my dumbness, i'veonly used freebsd for like 6h and i'm _totally_ new to *nix
<reverser> :P
<ruinevil> what about linux?
<code64> what about it?
<reverser> never used it
<ruinevil> how did you install freebsd reverser
<code64> reverser: i chose bsd over linux
<reverser> bootonly
<code64> i am a newb too
<reverser> okay, cool :)
<reverser> i found a tutorial on freebsd.se (.se = sweden)
<code64> yeah i did my research and i used ubuntu for like a day like a year ago lol
<code64> and didn't find it interesting except for tux racer (you gotta admit that game is cool) lol
<reverser> heh, nice. =)
<code64> but yeah i read up a lot about BSD and linux
<ruinevil> did you install a desktop environment?
<code64> i tried openbsd for a bit
<code64> didn't get too far into it but i set up internet and a windows manager
<reverser> hehe, i see
<reverser> i installed fluxbox
<code64> it's actually on my mac still right now, thinking about trying to put freebsd powerpc port on it
<reverser> ok, håll käften nu tack. :p
<code64> yeah but i like freebsd and the community is really great
<Asako> can't beat the docs
<reverser> ok, i don't know yet. but i find freebsd pretty advanced :P
<code64> and yeah documentation is crazy
<reverser> but with a great documenation
<Asako> yeah, it's advanced
<Asako> that's why I like it
<code64> well yeah but also read up on freebsd
<Asako> I do miss some features that Linux has
<mwc> Asako: like what?
<code64> but..people don't switch to freebsd or linux (well maybe linux) to double click icons on their desktop
<reverser> how do i copy all the text in a terminal window?
<Asako> LVM, but I just need to learn GEOM
<code64> if they did that they'd stick with windows
<Asako> software raid, etc.
<code64> it's to feel the raw power of the command line!
<mwc> Asako: isn't Vinum more comparable to LVM?
<nainef> w00t
<Asako> vinum is dead
<mwc> Oh, didn't see that in the handbook when I read it
<code64> that's where all the great hackers come from not "double clicking" an icon
<Asako> it was removed in FreeBSD 6
<code64> oh and in the handbook chapter 3 is basic unix stuff
<code64> for new people :D
<code64> like you and me
<Asako> there is a volume manager, I just don't know it
<reverser> the reason to why i installed c is because im trying to learn c
<nainef> hehehe
<reverser> and because its challenging (spelling?) and funny with new things
<Asako> I'm going to build a RAID 10 NAS with FreeBSD
<Asako> all I need is about $600
<nainef> it gets cheaper all the time ..
<reverser> hmm, i need to buy a faster computer. i started to compile pidigin for like an hour ago and its still working :P
<code64> hey reverser also lucky for you a brand new book came out which i got yesterday Absolute FreeBSD 2nd edition
<reverser> oh really? :) i'll take a look at it
<slaytanic> gvinum is the VM now.
<code64> well that's because you're instyalling from ports (which people say is the right way to go just takes a while)
<slaytanic> And you can use GEOM to mirror/stripe/concat drives.
<code64> but there is also packages
<mwc> reverser: it's not just pidgin, it's also all its dependencies
<code64> pre-compiled binaries only thing is you can't customize it as much as ports
<code64> (i have learned a lot in the less than a week i've used freebsd i just realized) lol
<Asako> it never ends
<reverser> hehe
<Asako> I've been running linux/bsd for over 10 years
<Asako> still learn new things every day
<reverser> it's always funny to learn new things
<reverser> but i'm kind of mentally retarded so it takes me very long time to learn new things
<reppie> http://people.freebsd.org/~ssouhlal/testing/touch-20071230.diff
<reverser> thank you code64! :)
<code64> np
<reverser> can you please tell me how i copy every line of text in a terminal window?
<code64> if you're using fluxbox you should be able to copy/paste in an xterm i thought..
<Asako> yeah, just select the text
<reverser> yes but i can't mark all the lines
<nainef> man I am so glad I tweaked my kernel for this older notebook, this thing is a lot faster now...
<Asako> reverser, you can't drag the mouse?
<reverser> Asako: i can, but i can't mark more then a few lines
<nainef> whoa
<reverser> code64 : i'll take a look at it :)
<Asako> yeah, you have to scroll up and copy the rest
<nainef> that is extremly odd
<Asako> or set your irc client to log
<reverser> Asako: i can't
<Asako> huh?
<Asako> shift + pgup
<Asako> or scroll lock then page up
<mwc> Hmmmmm
<reverser> hmm still not working
<reverser> im doing it wrong i think
<reverser> ill try again
<Asako> yeah
<mwc> I've set CPUTYPE?=pentium4 in my /etc/make.conf
<Asako> in xterm you can even use the mouse wheel
<mwc> but I'm not seeing any -mcpu options in the scrollby of build world
<nainef> that has to be set in xorg.conf
<nainef> in reference to Asako
<Asako> yeah
<reverser> thank you
<Asako> I figured xorg would do that by default now
<nainef> hehehe
<Asako> I still have the same config file from a few years ago
<reverser> etly as an observer and not a ruler
<reverser> <spaz> livefs?
<reverser> <spaz> never heard of it
<reverser> <code64> mean either
<reverser> <reverser> how can i copy all the text? because i can't scroll all the text
<reverser> <Belliash> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/7.0-RC1-amd64-livefs.iso
<code64> huh?
<Asako> paste flood
<reverser> sorry
* iNick feels the tital wave pass
<code64> *tastes the paste.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm paste*
<nainef> heheh
<reverser> can anyone please paste the channel log from when i joined the chanel at pastebin?
<Asako> sure, I guess
<iNick> do it in #flood or something though