<nox-Hand> My reasons for buying the phone is now limited to "GPS, WIFI, LINUX (yays! can do what I want :D :D) TOUCHSCREEN"
<nox-Hand> The rest of it sorta disappears, think it'll be slow
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<kdean06> I'm almost doubting the validity of my reasoning now, honestly.
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<kdean06> "Free your phone" implied Free Software but it seem more and more of it is non-free.
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<mudyc> kdean06: why?
<kdean06> Why does it seem more and more of it is non-free?
<mjr> what is non-free?
<mjr> 'cept the gta01 gllin
<mjr> if you were expecting firmwares to be free, that was just unrealistic
<kdean06> I don't think so.
<mjr> so you are referring to firmware then
<kdean06> I don't see how expecting firmware to be free is any more unrealistic than expecting the xserver to be Free, or the dialer, or anything else.
<mjr> well, "more and more" isn't really descriptive, since the chip firmwares were never part of it
<Magon> firmware of chips inside is simply too complicated and propriretary..like most firmwares are
<mjr> then you're blind
<kdean06> Is that stated anywhere? I mean, that there's no expectation that the hardware would also be Free?
<Magon> fimrwares of non-CPU chips are probably always propriertaly
<mjr> and not likely to be productive conversation
<SpeedEvil> kdean06: in some countries, making the mobile firmware free is actually illegal if you're going to sell it.
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<Magon> same goes for any radio
<SpeedEvil> In most of the rest, it means you won't get certification.
<SpeedEvil> and can't sell it
<ajbrun> free = $$ or free = OS?
<kdean06> Libre
<SpeedEvil> free as in you can twiddle it
<SpeedEvil> and make it do 'bad' stuff.