<Diablo-D3> what are you doing?
<nenolod> i'm only following orders.
<Diablo-D3> whos?
<nenolod> in the interest of transparency, i'm electing to not disclose that at this time.
<Diablo-D3> Then Im going to have a conversation with dotslasher.
<nenolod> okey dokey. have fun with that.
<Diablo-D3> I dont care if he ordered it or not.
<nenolod> out of curiosity, have you considered why this is happening instead of who is doing it to you?
i mean, i'm just curious ;)
<Diablo-D3> it dotslasher is up to something, then a) Im going to put my foot up his ass, and b) disconnect from the network
I don't have time to babysit another lilo
s/it/if/
<nenolod> well, it's not dotslasher.
<Diablo-D3> then Im going to have dotslasher get rid of whoever it is
the network has enough problematic opers, it doesn't need more
<nenolod> i believe everyone agrees with the above statement
<Diablo-D3> I was implying you.
<nenolod> it's not me either. :)
<Diablo-D3> You aren't exactly the easiest to get along with person
<nenolod> as far as $network vs. Diablo-D3 goes, i haven't made a final decision on that
<Diablo-D3> since when was this $network vs me?
I freely donated my services to the network, and I can just as easily take it back.
<nenolod> since you kept chargin' ya laser
<Diablo-D3> You do realize I haven't actually done anything, right?
Unlike that fucktard last month who decided to jupe my server connection to Nigma
<nenolod> just this morning you threatened to take the network with you if you didn't get 100% control
<Diablo-D3> facepalm
you need to learn when Im joking and when Im not
if Im going to smash a network, I do so without warning.
and since its somewhat important that this network functions, then obviously I'm not going to take it down
<nenolod> i didn't say take it down, i said take it over
<Diablo-D3> why would I take it over?
<nenolod> well, things are usually easier if you're a dictator
and i know you're not dumb enough to not know that
<Diablo-D3> as long as dotslasher doesn't become an egotistical fucktard who confuses himself as a god, then shit is fine
<nenolod> and other people do too
<Diablo-D3> actually, shit is not easier as a dictator
its easier to be the guy controlling the dictator
that way, when shit gets out of hand, you simply get a new dictator and the status quo is preserved
<nenolod> interesting
<Diablo-D3> this network, however, isn't big enough to even have a dictator
dotslasher sure as hell isn't one
nor are you
and for the record, neither am I
now, I plan on this network eventually becoming that big
but it doesn't even have a thousand users yet
we're far away from freenode and oftc and networks that size
<nenolod> dude, we're just some guys running this network for fun
<Diablo-D3> and thats the way it should stay
<nenolod> well, some people feel you are making it less fun
<Diablo-D3> I can think of at least a dozen people who would say that, and they can all fuck themselves
some people on this network are just assholes
and those people really should leave
but if I try to get rid of them, then I'm suddenly the bad guy
honestly, I think this is how freenode started out
the assholes tried to yank what clueful people freenode had around
and then shit blew up rather spectacularly.
little networks don't blow up, they just implode
you should know this better than I do
<nenolod> you're amusing
<Diablo-D3> what?
<nenolod> you keep thinking our path is similar to freenode
it isn't
as i said, "we're just some guys running this place for fun"
<Diablo-D3> yes, and I said it should stay that way
but having 30k users and still being some guys having fun aren't mutually exclusive
<nenolod> there is nothing fun to running freenode, i can assure you of that
<Diablo-D3> and you know why? because of the douchebags
<nenolod> no
<Diablo-D3> how can you possibly say no?
its not because its hard to admin, thats for damned sure
<nenolod> uh
freenode is run on bad hardware and worse connections
it is harder to admin than you think
hyperion doesn't run itself like charybdis does
<Diablo-D3> I think you missed the point of what I was saying
the douchebags continue to keep it that way
if I was running the show, hyperion would be out because its a gigantic security risk, and the hardware would be out
and theres no way that Im ever getting to be the head of freenode staff, so its 1000x easier to just make this network actually work right
<nenolod> then you admit you want to run the show
<Diablo-D3> not really
<nenolod> yes, really.
<Diablo-D3> its sorta like being root, but never actually sudoing anything.
I don't need to micromanage staff
<nenolod> yes, but you still want to be root.
<Diablo-D3> not forever, hell no
that'd get on my nerves
the day to day running of an IRC network is not something I want to do
I'd rather fix freenode, and then step back and watch the damned thing run smoothly for once
<nenolod> yes, but at this point in time, you want to be root.
<Diablo-D3> compare it to this network
shit runs smoothly
<nenolod> that has nothing to do with you
<Diablo-D3> nope, but I dont have to prod anyone to fix shit
thats the way shit /should/ be
shit should work
and a network the size of freenode can work without the levels of maintence those fucktards put into it
nenolod: like I said
I want someone else to be running the show when shit works
<nenolod> "ok"
<Diablo-D3> so I only have to beat him/her with a hammer when shit breaks
<nenolod> . o O (you're not helping your case, really.)
<Diablo-D3> no, you just think I'm sort of evil schemer
I'm not
<nenolod> i don't think that
i have other things to do than care in any particular way about the politics in staticbox
<Diablo-D3> as do I
which is why you delinking from caspar pisses me off
<nenolod> i only did that to protect staticbox's #1 chat server from access outages whenever you fucked up for the last time
<Diablo-D3> heh, and its only #1 because you fucked with DNS.
<nenolod> i just pointed irc.atheme.org at staticbox GeoIRC pool
<Diablo-D3> then why is everyone on sacredspiral?
<nenolod> cause dotslasher removed your server from DNS due to concerns with your attitude
infact, your attitude is why we are having this conversation /right now/
i really had expectations of doing something productive this morning
<Diablo-D3> Heh.
So why am I even bothering to link here anymore?
<nenolod> I don't know. Why are you?
<Diablo-D3> Well, apparently not because the network needs a reliable high bandwidth server, since apparently no one uses it anymore.
<nenolod> if you failed to notice, irc.sacredspiral.co.uk is also a reliable high bandwidth server
having something useful is not enough. one must also act with hubris should they wish to be a successful admin.
<Diablo-D3> wow neno, take your own damned advice for once
need I remind you of sidhe?
<nenolod> the reason why sidhe was linked was because two admins were not available to seek alternate routes
i attempted to coordinate on several occasions alternate routes
<Diablo-D3> then they get temporarily shut off until they reroute.
which is what I originally suggested
<nenolod> that's not a good solution as it inconveniences those users
<Diablo-D3> all 12 of them?
<nenolod> that's correct.
<Diablo-D3> then you global notice on those servers and tell them to switch servers
<nenolod> that's not how it works around here
many people have a very close tie to the servers they are on because they are linked by specific communities
<Diablo-D3> by the admins not being accessible, that inconvenienced a hell of a lot more users than those 12
<nenolod> if you say so.
but anyway, you have to act with elegance
sorry, i said hubris before. hubris is what you are presently acting with. 8)
<Diablo-D3> This is why I usually don't join staffs of projects
The politics piss me off.
<nenolod> something makes me think that you do that to yourself. 8)
<Diablo-D3> not really, because I tend to ignore it
I dont have time for politics
<nenolod> that's the problem, really. you can't ignore wetware.
<Diablo-D3> oh yes I can
<nenolod> well if you do, then that comes with consequences, like the discussion we are presently having
<Diablo-D3> if some oper is butthurt because I ignored him when he started whining that my ideas conflicted with his, then too bad
and if dotslasher is butthurt because I wanted to make the network more accessible to it's users, then he can go fuck hinself
<nenolod> i don't think anyone is butthurt. i do think that most people feel that you conflict with our network's mission, ideals, and goals.
<Diablo-D3> and the mission, ideals and goals of this network are a subset of one ultimate goal
an irc network that doesnt suck
and guess what, the network is currently failing that goal pretty damned hard
<nenolod> no, the network's goal is to "have fun"
<Diablo-D3> having fun is a subset of not sucking.
<nenolod> no, see,
we don't really care if the network sucks or not.
many users and admins feel that we are failing in our single goal to provide a safe chatting environment where nobody feels intimidated since we made the decision to link you in.
so yes, i'm glad that we indeed agree that we are failing hard on one specific goal
where we differ is on what that goal is
anyway, thank you for your time
i can now vote with confidence on the decision on whether or not to delink you