[23:14] <jpetso> Bille: the difference between the kopete* and metacontact_* state icons is that the kopete* ones are for the actual user and the metacontact_* ones for the items in the contact list, right?
[23:15] <Stalwart> metacontact is fusion of several contacts into one contactlist item
[23:15] <Bille> jpetso: right, kopete_ is for the local users current state.
[23:15] <Bille> metacontact are the Hated Blue Heads on the contact list.
[23:15] <jpetso> Bille: just so that i get the point, why are those two different kinds of icons?
[23:16] <Bille> metacontact needs to be something relatively simple; if the user is not using Detailed contact list style there will be a lot of them
[23:16] <Bille> jpetso: simple. Me vs You. if you can't tell the difference between those you may become schizo [23:16] <jpetso> Bille: btw, i don't see any Hated Blue Heads because I'm using Lila [23:16] <Bille> yeah yeah
[23:17] <jpetso> (Lila go! Lila go! and Oxygen.)
[23:17] <Bille> well, kwwii did the hated blue heads for me when he was still at novell. i like them but nobody else seems to.
[23:17] <Bille> before we had them we had yellow smileys, which were ok, but a bit twee en masse.
[23:17] <Bille> and for a comparison: pidgin now uses coloured circles onlyl.
[23:17] <Bille> only
[23:18] * Bille uses HighContrast-SVG + Monochrome, but i'm weird.
[23:18] <jpetso> so does Lila, if you leave out the fact that it also does triangles instead of circles [23:18] <jpetso> ok, i think i got the point
[23:19] <Bille> alright. i'm open to suggestions, but i would be a bit afraid of being overwhelmed by a large number of very detailed icons.
[23:19] <jpetso> i still find it a bit unfortunate that there are two kinds of icons, but it's a sound reasoning
[23:19] <Bille> jpetso: i think if it was the same icon, people would think the Status action would have some effect on the metacontacts.
[23:20] <Bille> generally our icons show the item they act upon.
[23:21] <jpetso> Bille: let me have a look at how the icons in Tango look...
[23:21] <Bille> ah, Tango. the people who use a picture of a hard disk drive for Save As. clever folk, those.
[23:22] <jpetso> right, i hate that too
[23:22] <jpetso> but the naming spec is alright, mostly
[23:23] <jpetso> mostly. not universally. but it's the best we've got for achieving cross-desktop interoperability
[23:23] <Bille> view-preview is good btw
[23:24] <jpetso> neato
[23:24] <CIA-27> wstephens * r743146 kopete/trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/plugins/urlpicpreview/ (kopete_urlpicpreview.desktop ox32-app-urlpicpreview.png): Use standard icon instead of crystal legacy
[23:24] <Bille> jpetso: i appreciate your sorting these out, thanks.
[23:25] <jpetso> Bille: someone needs to help those poor theme creators, like i was once at a time
[23:26] <jpetso> Bille: the Kopete icons are not the easiest ones to figure out, don't know why
[23:26] <Stalwart> it's nice to discover bug in program you use once in a year [23:27] <jpetso> Bille: btw, could you please grep your Kopete sources for the "\"edit\"" icon and replace that with "object-edit"? the release-critical rename, you know [23:33] --> taupter-uni has joined this channel (i=c90953d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8affc12288f3a142).
[23:34] <taupter-uni> domme: ping
[23:37] <Bille> taupter-uni: cam was dispatched to me today
[23:38] <Bille> taupter-uni: sending you my bank details
[23:38] <cconnell> jpetso: appears that object-edit is good everywhere already
[23:39] <cconnell> jpetso: i just did grepping
[23:39] <jpetso> cconnell: oh, that's cool
[23:40] <jpetso> could be that Hiếu Hoàng (or whoever?) already fixed it
[23:40] <jpetso> i didn't know as i'm only subscribed to kdelibs, kdebase/runtime and kdevelop commits
[23:42] <jpetso> Bille: as far as i can see, both Pidgin and Adium use those "simple" icons only
[23:42] <taupter-uni> Bille: Nice. [23:43] <jpetso> Bille: what would you think about sticking to those and overlaying them on the "user" icon for the user state?
[23:43] <taupter-uni> Bille: I'm unable to check my e-mail right now (at uni). I'll see it and act upon asap.
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[23:44] <Bille> jpetso: if the 'user' icon is clear enough.
[23:44] <ahmed-tux> hi all
[23:44] <Bille> taupter-uni: no hurry, i don't know what postage will cost yet.
[23:44] <ahmed-tux> hi Bille and taupter-uni
[23:44] <taupter-uni> ahmed-tux: Hi, friend.
[23:45] <Bille> jpetso: one suggestion: just do a larger version of the very simple overlay icons we use for contact status
[23:45] <jpetso> Bille: clear enough, like, in which way approximately? (as compared to the current "user" icon in the actions category)
[23:45] <Bille> jpetso: and i think it's a good one
[23:45] <Bille> and overlay that with a 'user' icon for the different 'user' states.
[23:46] <jpetso> that's what i meant, yes
[23:46] <Bille> ok great
[23:46] <Bille> so you have the 1/4 dark clock for away
[23:46] <Bille> 3/4 dark for extended away
[23:46] * taupter-uni going out. See you soon, fellas.
[23:46] <ahmed-tux> how're you taupter-uni long time
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[23:46] <Bille> the "one way" sign for Busy/not available
[23:47] <Bille> we might need something different for offline.
[23:47] <Bille> maybe a dashed circle?
[23:47] <jpetso> and if the status icons are changed by selecting another theme, the user state icon always changes accordingly [23:47] <jpetso> now why did i close that pidgin tarball download.
[23:47] <jpetso> ugh
[23:48] * Bille finds a lot of "edit" s
[23:49] <Bille> all in ~ files though
[23:50] <jpetso> Bille: I also noticed that Kopete's SVN contains a "kopetestatusmessage" icon which is quite similar to the "edit" one
[23:50] <jpetso> Bille: don't know if you still use that, but
[23:51] <jpetso> Bille: if you do, you could change it to object-edit-status-message, then it uses this name if it exists and falls back to object-edit if it doesn't
[23:51] <Bille> ah, ok. good idea
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[23:53] <jpetso> Bille: Pidgin uses a gray "X" icon for the offline state, much like our "window-close" one
[23:55] <Bille> jpetso: ic
[23:56] <jpetso> Adium uses a red circle (3d), as far as i can see
[23:56] <jpetso> they're doing everything by color coding, it seems
[23:56] <jpetso> mac. ts.
[23:56] <Bille> which i hate
[23:56] <Bille> since i sit next to a colourblind guy