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[2007-11-29 15:54] <johnw_> are you a staffer I can discuss this with?
[2007-11-29 15:54] === johnw_ <n=johnw@216.110.118.119> ``John Wiegley''
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[2007-11-29 15:54] <unic0rn> i'm not a staffer, but i'm helping them.
[2007-11-29 15:55] <johnw_> this concerns #lisp
[2007-11-29 15:55] <johnw_> there are ops there who have actually kickban'd newbies for continuing to ask "stupid questions"
[2007-11-29 15:56] <unic0rn> well
[2007-11-29 15:56] <unic0rn> it's their channel
[2007-11-29 15:56] <johnw_> ok, i was just wondering what freenode policy was
[2007-11-29 15:56] <unic0rn> there's no freenode/staff/* on access list for #lisp
[2007-11-29 15:56] <johnw_> as original founder of #emacs, I find that kind of attitude toward newcomers reprehensible
[2007-11-29 15:56] <unic0rn> so unless there's no some sort of clone attack or troll flood, i don't think staff will intervent
[2007-11-29 15:57] <johnw_> i figured it couldn't hurt to ask
[2007-11-29 15:57] <unic0rn> sure
[2007-11-29 15:57] <johnw_> my own response is a healthy ignore list
[2007-11-29 15:57] <johnw_> thanks unic0rn
[2007-11-29 15:57] <unic0rn> well
[2007-11-29 15:57] <unic0rn> you can always try to talk with ops of #lisp
[2007-11-29 15:57] <unic0rn> and suggest them reading freenode channel guidelines
[2007-11-29 15:57] <unic0rn> at http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[2007-11-29 15:57] <johnw_> having been insulted many times myself already, I prefer to avoid them entirely
[2007-11-29 15:58] <unic0rn> because this kind of behavior is against freenode policy/suggestions
[2007-11-29 15:58] <unic0rn> well
[2007-11-29 15:58] <unic0rn> there are channels which owners don't want any staff intervention
[2007-11-29 15:58] <unic0rn> and this is simply respected
[2007-11-29 15:58] <unic0rn> i'm not sure what's the situation with #lisp
[2007-11-29 15:58] <johnw_> i didn't realize
[2007-11-29 15:58] <unic0rn> but again, banning people belongs to #lisp ops free will
[2007-11-29 15:59] <unic0rn> they can do that, they own that channel, not freenode staff
[2007-11-29 15:59] <johnw_> ah
[2007-11-29 15:59] <johnw_> thanks again unic0rn
[2007-11-29 16:00] <unic0rn> staff intervenst mostly if there's some serious issue like trolling and flood or clone attack, and there's no channel op online
[2007-11-29 16:00] <unic0rn> no problem