<BearPerson> oh, eh, hello synd (or a good lookalike), I'm not sure I can give you a cloak 8)
<mytmouse> Why?
<BearPerson> If you're synd, you're not really supposed to be able to be on freenode 8)
<mytmouse> Huh?
<BearPerson> the tor spamming we had wasn't really that nice
<BearPerson> and coming in a bit before to watch them doesn't really look good either
<mytmouse> So what makes you think I'm "synd" ?
<BearPerson> several things
<BearPerson> one, he has used this exact nick to request a cloak from me not too long ago
<BearPerson> second, he also did not follow any nicksetup steps prior to asking
<BearPerson> third, you're on his channels 8)
<BearPerson> sorry dude, but spam about running shemale escort services does tend to sink in deep and stick for a while
<mytmouse> So, anything substantial?
<BearPerson> not really something that makes people well-inclined and trusting
<BearPerson> nope, which is why you're still alive 8)
<mytmouse> That's what I thought
<mytmouse> So, cloak please?
<BearPerson> nope
<mytmouse> Why not?
<BearPerson> bad feeling
<mytmouse> And a cloak enables me to do what?
<mytmouse> Cloak my host from non-staffers
<BearPerson> yah
<mytmouse> I'm fully aware that Freenode does not cloak it from staff
<mytmouse> So what's the problem?
<BearPerson> that I think you're synd
<BearPerson> and synd shouldn't be on freenode
<mytmouse> Even if I *were* synd
<mytmouse> Why can't I have a cloak?
<BearPerson> and people who are not on freenode can't have cloaks 8)
<mytmouse> What does a cloak enable me to do that you don't want me able to do?
<BearPerson> synd is not supposed to be here at all
<mytmouse> But I am on Freenode
<BearPerson> for now
<mytmouse> I'm asking you what does a cloak enable me to do that you don't want me able to do
<mytmouse> Can you answer that w/o saying "but synd shouldn't be on Freenode" ?
<BearPerson> it is in some way a sign of accepting the client as a legal client/connection/person on freenode
<mytmouse> Oh is it? I wasn't aware at all that the Freenode guidelines said that at all
<mytmouse> Or are you just making this up to dodge my point?
<BearPerson> I'm saying that for you to get a cloak, I have to actively cloak you
<mytmouse> And I'm asking you what does a cloak enable me to do that you don't want me able to do
<BearPerson> as we do remove cloaks for spamming and trolling, I do not think I should set a cloak on someone I believe to be exactly that
<mytmouse> Why do you remove cloaks?
<mytmouse> What does that accomplish?
<BearPerson> people might not want their host to show because they are afraid of people doing vigilante replies to their spam
<mytmouse> Huh?
<mytmouse> What does that accomplish?
<mytmouse> Why do you remove cloaks?
<mytmouse> You have yet to answer
<BearPerson> also, it's symbolical
<mytmouse> A cloak is symbolical?
<BearPerson> a cloak is in a way the network hiding your hostname
<mytmouse> So is a proxy and Tor
<BearPerson> but that's not freenode hiding your hostname
<mytmouse> Why do you remove cloaks?
<mytmouse> What does that accomplish?
<BearPerson> "freenode refuses to hide your hostname or show your affiliation with some project if you refuse to be nice to people" 8)
<mytmouse> And where does that say that in the Freenode guidelines
<mytmouse> Or did you just make that up?
<BearPerson> they're guidelines, not rules
<BearPerson> this isn't a law book that you can read through and discover loopholes
<mytmouse> So did you just make up that rule?
<mytmouse> You are being extremely vague
<BearPerson> feel free to complain about it to staff at freenode dot net, but I'm applying what I consider "common sense"
<mytmouse> Common sense?
<mytmouse> What does removing a cloak do?
<BearPerson> extrapolating from existing rules and practices to a specific case
<BearPerson> technically, it causes services to issue a SETHOST command with ".dns" as a parameter
<mytmouse> And you Staff can look behind cloaks
<BearPerson> we can, that is true
<mytmouse> So what's the point in removing them?
<BearPerson> people on channels aren't staff
<mytmouse> So you want people's IPs exposed to everyone?
<BearPerson> sorry, I have stuff to do 8)
<BearPerson> like, eat
<mytmouse> Uh huh.