01:06:12< smokey991> x_rob never did fix the login page
01:06:20< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: I'm going to.
01:06:26< Cap_J_L_Picard> I know he didn't.
01:06:41< smokey991> Cap_J_L_Picard: why thank you
01:06:50< smokey991> he blamed links for it not working
01:07:40< Cap_J_L_Picard> I've got another more experienced coder than x_rob. And I'm brushing up on non-interfering javascript atm.
01:08:23< smokey991> ah
01:08:23< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: x_rob gets in the way sometimes...
01:08:37< smokey991> well it's the way the data is posted i think he fixed the js problem
01:08:57< Cap_J_L_Picard> js is being used to post the data.
01:09:10< smokey991> ok
01:09:15< smokey991> then that's the probem :)
01:10:37< Cap_J_L_Picard> I was working on the reg page, but was making sure this kind of thing wouldn't happen with it when I accidently formatte\
d over it (I thought it was on /home partition not /)
01:10:53< smokey991> heh
01:11:01< smokey991> you had the reg page on /?
01:11:21< Cap_J_L_Picard> I had all the tlcms code on that partition.
01:11:34< smokey991> ah
01:11:37< smokey991> why?
01:11:39< Cap_J_L_Picard> had other smaller changes too that weren't committed.
01:11:53< smokey991> ah
01:11:59< Cap_J_L_Picard> where apache http_docs was pointed.
01:12:15< smokey991> well, i'm not doing any work with any more tlcms members :)
01:12:51< Cap_J_L_Picard> it's x_rob that's a problem.
01:13:04< smokey991> my code might suck but atleast it works :/
01:13:09< Cap_J_L_Picard> I would prefer if we moved to git for SCM too.
01:13:22< smokey991> i love git :D
01:13:30< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: Yeah, x_rob's sucks and doesn't work.
01:15:04< smokey991> though mine doesn't always work
01:15:10< smokey991> but it does before i release it
01:15:59< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: Exactly.
01:16:28< Cap_J_L_Picard> I would be happier to work with you over x_rob if only you documented your code.
01:16:40< smokey991> which is why i won't have my language released tomorrow like i wanted :(
01:16:44< smokey991> ah
01:16:48< smokey991> that's a problem with me
01:16:58< Cap_J_L_Picard> Maybe I should just fork tlcms...
01:17:05< smokey991> i go back and document when i'm done
01:17:46< smokey991> do you think tl would use it though?
01:18:14< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: I think they would if it's better.
01:18:38< Cap_J_L_Picard> I'm not happy with the hosting of the development server either.
01:19:19< sdubois92-laptop> so after i run make oldconfig, what do i do? make install?
01:19:20< smokey991> well, i host mine on a different server that allows only one db
01:19:31< smokey991> which is why tlcms had only one db when it started :)
01:22:37< sdubois92-laptop> was tlcms written from scratch?
01:23:03< smokey991> yea
01:23:17< sdubois92-laptop> is the code available?
01:23:23< smokey991> dunno
01:23:34< smokey991> should be
01:23:37< sdubois92-laptop> yes
01:23:54< sdubois92-laptop> is it licensed?
01:24:05< smokey991> dunno
01:24:09< sdubois92-laptop> who wrote it?
01:24:11< smokey991> i quit a good while back
01:24:39< smokey991> i wrote the base modules for the forum and wiki and was the one who started it
01:24:49< sdubois92-laptop> i know rob did a lot of it
01:24:54< Cap_J_L_Picard> sdubois92-laptop: Yes, and it's under gpl-v3
01:25:11< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: And we wanted it under one db.
01:25:11< sdubois92-laptop> eww
01:25:19< sdubois92-laptop> BSD license FTW
01:25:24< smokey991> i'd have rathered someone else do a lot of it
01:25:52< sdubois92-laptop> I still havent read v3
01:26:12< Cap_J_L_Picard> sdubois92-laptop: well, then you are in no position to make a comment.
01:26:19< sdubois92-laptop> hehe
01:26:22< Cap_J_L_Picard> and saying you don't like
01:26:26< sdubois92-laptop> i was just kidding
01:26:36< smokey991> i haven't read it either
01:27:04< Cap_J_L_Picard> something about is something you can't do unless you participated in the creation process.
01:27:45< smokey991> eh?
01:27:49< Cap_J_L_Picard> "You're not a big fan of checkpatch, I see."
01:27:50< Cap_J_L_Picard> \u2014 Andrew Morton, in an October 18th, 2007 message on the Linux Kernel mailing list.
01:27:54< smokey991> didn't understand that
01:28:08< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: there was a public consultation process.
01:28:14< smokey991> ah
01:28:27< Cap_J_L_Picard> in fact the whole licence was written that way.
01:28:36< smokey991> i can't say i like the tlcms layout
01:28:40< Cap_J_L_Picard> for the people by the people.
01:28:49< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: I don't, blame x_rob.
01:28:54< smokey991> heh
01:29:01< smokey991> blame x_rob for everything
01:29:04< sdubois92-laptop> do i run make after make oldconfig?
01:29:17< smokey991> yes, unless you wanna tweak it
01:29:22< smokey991> then make menuconfig
01:30:27< Cap_J_L_Picard> make && make modules_install && make install
01:30:53< sdubois92-laptop> Cap_J_L_Picard: too late :(
01:30:55< smokey991> i don't do the last one
01:31:21< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: you manually install?
01:31:22< smokey991> should i upgrade ndiswrapper?
01:31:24< smokey991> yea
01:31:35< smokey991> i like to name it different
01:31:42< smokey991> i keep every kernel i ever had
01:31:54< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: Auto keeps them.
01:32:17< Cap_J_L_Picard> just changes the one in grub.conf adds a link to the old one.
01:32:25< smokey991> ah
01:32:27< Cap_J_L_Picard> it always uses linking.
01:32:33< smokey991> does the same with lilo
01:33:18< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: Well, it links a new one to vmlinuz, the old link is renamed vmlinuz_old or something...
01:33:21< penguinator> bang
01:33:24< Cap_J_L_Picard> so probably.
01:33:26< smokey991> ah
01:33:30< smokey991> hey penguinator
01:33:35< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: hey.
01:33:38< smokey991> i will keep doing it manually
01:33:40< penguinator> Cap_J_L_Picard: hi
01:34:08< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: I'm thinking of forking tlcms away from x_rob.
01:34:18< smokey991> and i may join him
01:35:03< smokey991> hehehe
01:35:09< Cap_J_L_Picard> Will move to git for SCM.
01:35:41< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: Wondered if you would be willing to host the fork too?
01:35:59< smokey991> may release my languages code soon
01:36:13< Cap_J_L_Picard> but repos and bugtracker will probably move elsewhere.
01:36:28< Cap_J_L_Picard> when we can at least.
01:36:37< penguinator> umm
01:36:38< penguinator> why?
01:36:53< smokey991> we are unhappy with rob's code
01:36:57< smokey991> and it's not working properly
01:37:05< smokey991> and him not caring to fix it
01:37:12< penguinator> why don't you fix it?
01:37:14< Cap_J_L_Picard> um, x_rob moans a lot writes code that doesn't work then we fix it for him.
01:37:15< penguinator> you all have write access
01:37:27< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: We do, we are fed up of doing so.
01:37:39< Cap_J_L_Picard> when he should think first.
01:38:19< Cap_J_L_Picard> he can't even get XHTML to remain valid or even parsable (not actually that difficult).
01:38:33< Cap_J_L_Picard> and he is now depending on javascript.
01:38:46< smokey991> which is bad with how he is using it
01:39:17< penguinator> hmm
01:39:29< Cap_J_L_Picard> and I told him not to upload it to the teenlug server until I fixed something else, which he refused to let me do (I was\
in bristol that day with limited internet connection).
01:39:44< penguinator> what were you going to fix?
01:39:57< Cap_J_L_Picard> To allow both username and email login.
01:40:02< penguinator> he fixed it
01:40:07< penguinator> but now it dosn't work
01:40:14< Cap_J_L_Picard> exactly.
01:40:18< penguinator> he was annoyed at you, and so thought it a joke to set it up and not tell you
01:41:29< smokey991> which is...
01:41:33< smokey991> stupid
01:41:40< penguinator> why?
01:41:53< smokey991> he put it up without fixing it?
01:42:07< penguinator> i feel like teenlug needs to re-evaluate it's prioroties/what it is trying to be
01:42:12< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: Very stupid when it doesn't work.
01:42:17< Cap_J_L_Picard> <<<<<<< .mine
01:42:17< Cap_J_L_Picard> if (validate_email($email,0))
01:42:17< Cap_J_L_Picard> {
01:42:17< Cap_J_L_Picard> $res = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM users WHERE `email` = '$email'");
01:42:20< Cap_J_L_Picard> }
01:42:23< Cap_J_L_Picard> else (validate_email($email,0))
01:42:25< Cap_J_L_Picard> {
01:42:28< Cap_J_L_Picard> $res = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM users WHERE `name` = '$email'");
01:42:31< Cap_J_L_Picard> }
01:42:33< Cap_J_L_Picard> =======
01:42:36< Cap_J_L_Picard> $res = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM users WHERE (`email` = '$email' OR `name` = '$email')");
01:42:39< Cap_J_L_Picard> >>>>>>> .r173
01:42:41< Cap_J_L_Picard> that's a diff of code difference between his fix and mine.
01:42:52< Cap_J_L_Picard> although I have a few things to add.
01:43:05< smokey991> wait, which is yours?
01:43:08< penguinator> hmmm ok
01:43:12< Cap_J_L_Picard> .mine
01:43:13-!- blobaugh [n=mommy_de@dialup-226-7.lacey.reachoneinternet.net] has joined #teenlug
01:43:23< Cap_J_L_Picard> like or die()
01:43:36 * penguinator thinks maybe we should talk to x_rob about it
01:43:56< smokey991> the top one works?
01:44:00< smokey991> penguinator: why?
01:44:07< smokey991> he isn't going to do anything
01:44:38< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: Didn't have time to try it before he started fucking around with server, so decided at that point I would giv\
e up on him.
01:44:38< penguinator> i'm not sure the teenlug website should really exist
01:45:24< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: I think tlcms needs to continue for other reasons, and a web frontend to our community is essential.
01:45:45< penguinator> for other reasons?
01:45:56< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: The other thing is your server gets a bit bogged down with flyspray.
01:46:08< penguinator> yea, well, it needs revamping
01:46:13< penguinator> i just don't have time (as usual)
01:46:17< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: A CMS with this feature set was needed anyway.
01:46:18< smokey991> why not remove flyspray?
01:46:34< penguinator> Cap_J_L_Picard: for what?
01:46:39< penguinator> we really arn't utilizing tlcms
01:46:55< smokey991> penguinator: others can use it if they want
01:46:56< penguinator> if the website went away, and all that was left was the irc channel, would things be too much different?
01:46:59< Cap_J_L_Picard> I know others inerested in utilising it.
01:47:06< penguinator> Cap_J_L_Picard: really?
01:47:10< Cap_J_L_Picard> s/in/int/
01:47:13< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: yes.
01:47:22< Cap_J_L_Picard> even teensonlinux are.
01:47:29< penguinator> ok
01:47:36< smokey991> because we rock :)
01:47:39< Cap_J_L_Picard> needs a lot of work and x_rob not helping much.
01:47:48< penguinator> i don't really see the need for a new cms
01:47:53< Cap_J_L_Picard> it's not ready to be on the site yet.
01:47:53< penguinator> there's already so many
01:48:23< Cap_J_L_Picard> not that integrate forum, wiki, blog, gallery like we do...
01:48:48< penguinator> ?
01:48:51< Cap_J_L_Picard> wiki needs change history to be added to be a propper wiki.
01:49:02< penguinator> yea
01:49:12< penguinator> nobody worked on it though since like august
01:49:14< smokey991> yea :) was just a quick throw togeather
01:49:18< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: It's usually mediawiki and phpbb hacked to the same user database.
01:49:23< smokey991> had no time
01:49:25< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: I have been.
01:49:29< smokey991> have plenty of time now
01:49:43< Cap_J_L_Picard> Just not commiting dodgy code.
01:49:57< Cap_J_L_Picard> when I knew there were issues with it.
01:50:06< smokey991> well... i did
01:50:15< smokey991> but when i did i knew that's the last i would work on it
01:50:26< smokey991> and fixed it for my own cms :D
01:50:34< Cap_J_L_Picard> And I was also getting ready for first year in university.
01:50:50< penguinator> hmmmmmmm
01:51:30< Cap_J_L_Picard> I then accidently formated over it and am still in the process of setting apache up how I like it.
01:51:39< penguinator> i feel like all the working on tlcms is worthless though, if we have nobody in the community to use it
01:51:52< smokey991> penguinator: others can use it
01:52:01< penguinator> yea... i guess, but
01:52:43< Cap_J_L_Picard> I know a community I'm creating will use it, I think the teenlug community would too if it was good enough to be truly u\
seable.
01:53:13< penguinator> i feel like teenlug should have a meeting
01:53:18< penguinator> so we can decide what we want to do
01:53:26< penguinator> but maybe
01:53:27< penguinator> i dunno
01:53:30< penguinator> i'm confused now
01:53:33< Cap_J_L_Picard> "You know, you really are supposed to understand the code you are modifying..."
01:53:34< Cap_J_L_Picard> \u2014 Al Viro, in an October 26th, 2007 message on the Linux Kernel mailing list.
01:53:41< sdubois92-laptop> penguinator: TlCon
01:53:47< smokey991> how did x_rob become the project leader anyway?
01:53:48< penguinator> sdubois92-laptop: YES!
01:53:55< penguinator> smokey991: becuase nobody else cared about it
01:53:59< penguinator> and he stepped up
01:54:17< smokey991> ah
01:54:34< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: He sort of didn't just started stepping on my toes while I was very busy so I ignored him.
01:55:00< smokey991> ah
01:55:02< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: I did, it was just those particular few weeks.
01:55:18< penguinator> when?
01:55:34< smokey991> :) i didn't and by now i figure i wouldn't even be familiar with the code anymore
01:55:55< Cap_J_L_Picard> smokey991: I'm thinking of forking of a few revisions ago too.
01:55:57< penguinator> Cap_J_L_Picard: Did you mention to zach that you don't think the code is ready?
01:56:05< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: Yes.
01:56:11< penguinator> what did he say?
01:56:14< Cap_J_L_Picard> and told x_rob that
01:56:19< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: not much.
01:56:51< Cap_J_L_Picard> at the time I was trying to get finance and room and everything for university.
01:57:07< Cap_J_L_Picard> Which you can see is quite a big task.
01:57:12< penguinator> ok
01:57:56< Cap_J_L_Picard> I mentioned it isn't ready a lot, but no-one took any notice and I didn't have the time to go into details that were nee\
ded.
01:59:13< penguinator> me thinks you should write an e-mail expressing your concerns to Zach if you want to change something about how teenlug use\
s the cms.
02:00:30< Cap_J_L_Picard> penguinator: x_rob always picks the time I'm not available to do these big things. Like I was in bristol, when I had an \
internet connection I was arguing to x_rob not to put it on the server, got back at campus (~4 hours later) to find him cursing over simple depend\
ancy problems.