[19:13:34] <FrozenFire> I don't want to sound like I'm power hungry or anything. But I don't think I'm going to pay for the DNS, etc unless there's a rule regarding approving bans on staff with opers
[19:15:02] <FrozenFire> Because seeing as how the site staff do so much work, without getting any sort of gratitude, there should be some form of respect.
[19:15:19] <Kuja> respect even if the devs are bing fags?
[19:15:50] <FrozenFire> How has any dev ever been a "fag"
[19:16:03] <Kuja> I'm saying what if they were
[19:16:14] <FrozenFire> On IRC?
[19:16:19] <FrozenFire> Or in general
[19:16:21] <Kuja> well yeh
[19:16:24] <Kuja> on irc
[19:16:37] <FrozenFire> Then the ops on the official channel should ask an oper
[19:17:03] <FrozenFire> Because if a dev gets banned on an official channel, it generally creates drama like what is happening here
[19:17:10] <Kuja> there's 4 opers >.>
[19:17:15] <Kuja> and this isn't drama
[19:17:25] <FrozenFire> I'm just saying that I'm not going to pay for something that I don't have much of a say in
[19:17:57] <Kuja> besides that I could extrapolate it to say "if a dev acts in such a way to get banne don an official channel it causes 'drama'"
[19:18:14] <FrozenFire> I agree
[19:18:24] <FrozenFire> But the way I was acting wasn't valid for a ban
[19:18:31] <FrozenFire> Regardless of what Kage or ScrAm think
[19:18:42] <ScrAm> Um
[19:18:42] <FrozenFire> It was certainly grounds for a kick
[19:18:44] <FrozenFire> And a warning
[19:18:52] <Kuja> FrozenFire, have you read /rules?
[19:18:55] <ScrAm> Just because you're a dev, doesn't mean you get anything special.
[19:19:13] <ScrAm> Kage would've banned a normal person, so you're going to get banned too.
[19:19:15] <ScrAm> Get over it.
[19:19:15] <Kuja> Ops/opers can do whatever they have access to, if they want :|
[19:20:06] <FrozenFire> ScrAm: What you are missing here is the fact that if I'm going to pay for parts of HTS, and go to extreme measures to help HTS, I'm expecting some sort of gratitude
[19:20:19] <FrozenFire> I'm not saying that I want you to grovel at my knee's
[19:20:34] <weekend> :/
[19:20:37] <weekend> still no flooding
[19:20:41] <FrozenFire> I just think that staff should have a little more leeway than John Doe Noob
[19:20:49] <Kuja> FrozenFire, they do.
[19:20:55] <FrozenFire> Wouldn't seem so
[19:21:01] <Kuja> but not more leeway than a regular users
[19:21:09] <FrozenFire> Exactly
[19:21:31] <FrozenFire> Anyways
[19:21:33] <FrozenFire> That's what I'm saying
[19:21:47] <FrozenFire> I want that rule, or I'm not interested in continuing what I've been doing
[19:22:01] <weekend> :/
[19:22:16] <weekend> a rule saying staff > normal users is against everything HTS stands for
[19:22:41] <Kuja> I'll buy dns then >.>
[19:22:55] <FrozenFire> weekend, I'm not saying staff are > normal users
[19:22:57] <Kuja> with the rate the $'s at these days, it'll be like ?2 a month
[19:23:12] <weekend> more like 1.2
[19:23:15] <FrozenFire> I'm saying that staff bans should be approved by opers
[19:23:23] <FrozenFire> Not the douchebag chanops that are getting hired lately
[19:23:27] <weekend> no
[19:23:31] <FrozenFire> Actually, $5 per month
[19:23:33] <weekend> chanops job is to deal with channels
[19:23:34] <Kuja> well opers aren't always around
[19:23:44] <weekend> opers have absolutly no say in channels at all
[19:23:56] <weekend> except when the ops aren't around and someone is clearly breaking the channel rules
[19:23:57] <Kuja> weekend, you know that's not true :|
[19:24:00] <Kuja> heh^^
[19:24:09] <FrozenFire> You are just saying they don't
[19:24:18] <FrozenFire> They do excercise their powers in channels anyways
[19:24:19] <weekend> Kuja, around here all opers are also chanops in official channels
[19:24:30] <Kuja> weekend, true
[19:24:32] <FrozenFire> And, even if opers aren't around
[19:24:39] <FrozenFire> The ban should wait until one IS around
[19:24:47] <weekend> bans should never wait..
[19:24:58] <Kuja> FrozenFire, someone should be allowed to spam for another few hours till an oper gets on?
[19:25:06] <FrozenFire> If the reason for the ban has ceased to exist, then it should
[19:25:14] <FrozenFire> Kuja, I had already stopped "spamming"
[19:25:31] <FrozenFire> It was basically just about 10 lines of this:
[19:25:32] <FrozenFire> ... ?
[19:25:34] <FrozenFire> ;)
[19:25:35] <FrozenFire> ... ?
[19:25:37] <FrozenFire> ;)
[19:25:38] <FrozenFire> ... ?
[19:25:40] <FrozenFire> ;)
[19:25:42] <Kuja> /ban FrozenFire spam
[19:25:48] <FrozenFire> And then we stopped when it wasn't funny anymore
[19:25:51] <Kuja> tbh I would've done it there :|
[19:25:53] <weekend> bans aren't just to stop flooding
[19:26:01] <weekend> they are also punishment for past flooding
[19:26:14] <FrozenFire> Which should wait until an oper is available
[19:26:26] <weekend> :/
[19:26:28] <weekend> no
[19:26:31] <weekend> that makes no sense at all
[19:26:36] <FrozenFire> Sure it does
[19:26:38] <FrozenFire> Anyways
[19:26:48] <FrozenFire> I'm just saying
[19:27:04] <FrozenFire> I don't plan on even opening anything to do with HTS work until there is something like that in place
[19:27:24] <Kuja> bye then :>
[19:27:33] <Kuja> remember to rm -rf on your way out :>
[19:27:40] <FrozenFire> I don't plan to
[19:27:52] <FrozenFire> I'm not trying to say I'm leaving
[19:27:59] <FrozenFire> I'm saying that this is something that I believe has to be done
[19:28:11] <FrozenFire> And I'm going to force it if necessary
[19:28:22] <weekend> well I'm afraid you are very very wrong and trying to do something against irc
[19:28:28] <weekend> wich is also something you have no say in whatsoever
[19:28:32] <Kuja> trying to force something is not a good idea
[19:28:35] <weekend> irc is a totaly seperate entity
[19:28:37] <Kuja> that's called blackmail
[19:28:38] <FrozenFire> Mmk, but I do have say regarding the site
[19:28:45] <FrozenFire> And I can remove your access weekend
[19:28:49] <FrozenFire> Because that's what I do have say in
[19:28:51] <weekend> FrozenFire, maybe
[19:28:55] <ScrAm> uh
[19:29:02] <ScrAm> weekend hasn't done anything wrong for you to remove his access.
[19:29:26] <FrozenFire> I can choose who is a developer on the site
[19:29:35] <FrozenFire> That's my region of "authority"
[19:29:38] <ScrAm> Yeah, and if you're going to be an ass right now, the site is going to fail worse than it is now.
[19:29:40] <FrozenFire> Just like weekend can say who is oper
[19:29:54] <ScrAm> "Zomg, you banned me on IRC! You're off of the staff!"
[19:30:05] <FrozenFire> I'm not saying I'm going to rm his access
[19:30:08] <Kuja> FrozenFire, and I could probably yet ss to remove you from that position of influence, specially if you're going to be an ass and abuse it
[19:30:26] <FrozenFire> That's fine
[19:30:27] <weekend> FrozenFire, I sugest you disconnect and leave irc for a few hours and think about this before you say something you won't like
[19:30:36] <FrozenFire> weekend, I have thought this through
[19:30:40] <FrozenFire> I've been thinking since last night
[19:30:49] <ScrAm> you've been thinking since last night?
[19:30:51] <ScrAm> Dude, it was a fucking ban.
[19:30:55] <weekend> then you should know that trying to force your rules on irc will not end well
[19:30:56] <weekend> for you
[19:31:08] <ScrAm> Shit, I forgot about it until I saw you guys arguing about it.. again.
[19:31:29] <FrozenFire> I'm just tired of having to deal with some of these douchebag chanops
[19:31:53] <weekend> you don't have to deal with them, they deal with you
[19:31:55] <Kuja> FrozenFire, even I would've banned you for what you said you did :|
[19:32:02] <weekend> same
[19:32:03] <ScrAm> hmm
[19:32:05] <ScrAm> want me to find logs?
[19:32:07] <weekend> yes
[19:32:17] <ScrAm> k, let me get them real quick.
[19:32:20] <Kuja> :>
[19:33:03] <FrozenFire> I know I don't have access to IRC, but I do have access to the site. It's going to be a balance. If devs don't have respect on IRC official channels, then IRC staff won't have respect or access to the site
[19:33:24] <Kuja> FrozenFire, you went about this the wrong way, threats were definatly not the best plan
[19:33:31] <FrozenFire> I didn't start with threats
[19:33:37] <Kuja> Surely you would've known that
[19:33:38] <weekend> you did
[19:33:45] <FrozenFire> I started with asking for a very reasonable rule
[19:33:49] <Kuja> your whole argument is based on you want something, or else
[19:34:12] <Kuja> you could've asking in a way that we would've actually agreed with you
[19:34:15] <Kuja> such as
[19:34:20] <FrozenFire> Basically, it's gotten to the point where all this drama is really paying a toll on my conscience
[19:34:32] <Kuja> "That devs should have some access to the official channels"
[19:34:44] <Kuja> There's even precedent for that, seen as it was like that a few years back
[19:34:54] <FrozenFire> Kuja, that's already been discussed
[19:35:03] <ScrAm> here's the ban: http://pastebin.ca/770942
[19:35:04] <FrozenFire> And like usual
[19:35:12] <FrozenFire> weekend in his divine glory shot it down
[19:35:15] <FrozenFire> Because it's his domain
[19:35:19] <FrozenFire> And nobody gets a say
[19:35:25] <weekend> its not a mather of it being my domain
[19:35:33] <weekend> at all
[19:35:39] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:35:45 * Joe (Joe@HTSUser-9BE1F2BB.hackthissite.org) has joined #help
[19:35:40] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:35:55 <Joe> !help noabuse
[19:35:40] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:35:56 <moo> !kb kage
[19:35:41] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:35:57 * HTS-Bot sets ban on *!*@We.Dont.Shit.Where.We.Eat
[19:35:41] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:35:57 * HTS-Bot has kicked Kage from #help (Requested)
[19:35:41] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:36:01 * Joe has quit (Quit: die)
[19:35:43] <ScrAm> Nov 11 21:36:10 <Zod> that was low FF
[19:35:49] <Kuja> I'll back weekend whatever he does
[19:35:58] <Kuja> so he always has 50% of the votes on irc
[19:35:59] <Kuja> :P
[19:36:02] * Kuja pets
[19:36:10] <weekend> you just keep wanting rules that give you more access even though those rules have been desided on before and are totaly against anything this irc stands for
[19:36:21] <FrozenFire> I don't want more access
[19:36:33] <FrozenFire> I want more respect for the fact that I run the whole freaking site...
[19:37:03] <Kuja> besides, no op's going to want to think "oshi- this guy is a dev, or is he? is this nick some dev under another alias? should i get an oper to come?"
[19:37:12] <Kuja> they just think 'stfu'
[19:37:42] <FrozenFire> Seems to me, there's a chanserv "Protect" leve
[19:38:00] <Kuja> +a?
[19:38:01] <weekend> +a
[19:38:03] <weekend> :/
[19:38:06] <Kuja> :\
[19:38:22] <FrozenFire> I thought there was a way of making it so a user can't be banned
[19:38:27] <FrozenFire> Without giving them access
[19:38:39] <weekend> +e
[19:38:41] <Kuja> exempt?
[19:38:45] <FrozenFire> yep
[19:38:47] <Kuja> but any op can remove it
[19:38:55] <FrozenFire> Just tell them not to ;)
[19:38:59] <Kuja> :\
[19:39:00] <FrozenFire> If they remove it
[19:39:11] <FrozenFire> Then obviously they know that they are banning a staff member
[19:39:25] <weekend> they are alowed to ban a staff member
[19:39:27] <weekend> in fact
[19:39:29] <weekend> if they didn't
[19:39:30] <weekend> i'd fire them
[19:39:35] <Kuja> xD
[19:39:45] <weekend> if I flooded I expect to be banned and kicked
[19:39:51] <weekend> sure, it won't work
[19:39:52] <ScrAm> actually
[19:39:56] <weekend> but they need to try
[19:39:58] <ScrAm> weekend: I did see some spam by you in there yesterday. :P
[19:40:04] <FrozenFire> weekend, that just pisses people off
[19:40:06] <FrozenFire> And creates drama
[19:40:10] <weekend> idd, they should have kicked me
[19:40:32] <Kuja> FrozenFire, it doesn't create drama if the person kicked doesn't make a big thing about it
[19:40:38] <Kuja> if they accept that they deserved it
[19:40:42] <FrozenFire> s/kicked/banned
[19:40:48] <FrozenFire> And refused to remove the ban
[19:40:59] <weekend> bans get removed in their own time
[19:41:08] <FrozenFire> Nope, he said it wasn't going to be removed
[19:41:20] <Kuja> FrozenFire, it's called spite :p if someone asked me to remove a ban right after I put it on I'd leave it on for n extra few days
[19:41:20] <ScrAm> heh
[19:41:21] <ScrAm> weekend..
[19:41:30] <FrozenFire> Well, anyways
[19:41:39] <FrozenFire> I'll just be idling until something happens
[19:41:41] <ScrAm> http://pastebin.ca/770953
[19:41:42] <ScrAm> <_<
[19:41:43] <FrozenFire> I don't really care what
[19:41:55] <FrozenFire> I've got more important things to work on than HTS
[19:42:01] <weekend> I know ScrAm, they had to take it to #hackthissite
[19:42:12] <FrozenFire> I just generally focus on HTS because I used to enjoy it
[19:42:18] <FrozenFire> But now it's all drama
[19:42:21] <FrozenFire> like usual
[19:42:48] <Kuja> FrozenFire, you made it drama
[19:42:55] <FrozenFire> That's fine
[19:43:02] <FrozenFire> And I plan on just walking away for a while
[19:43:14] <FrozenFire> And let the fact that there's nobody to upkeep the site come to term
[19:43:22] <Kuja> martyr >.<
[19:43:28] <FrozenFire> Nope
[19:43:30] <FrozenFire> Pacifist ;)
[19:43:43] <FrozenFire> By doing absolutely nothing, I'm making a point