[10:13] Vinnie: got a sec?
[10:15] Jimmy: y
[10:15] Jimmy: e
[10:15] Jimmy: p
[10:17] Vinnie: is there a way to install vmware tools in X?
[10:17] Jimmy: only
[10:17] Jimmy: oh
[10:17] Jimmy: no
[10:17] Vinnie: so not via console
[10:17] Jimmy: it's perl
[10:17] Jimmy: nope
[10:17] Vinnie: oh?
[10:17] Jimmy: why?
[10:17] Vinnie: just curious
[10:17] Jimmy: gui fag
[10:17] Vinnie: I know when you install vmware for winblows, it gets faster
[10:17] Vinnie: haha
[10:18] Vinnie: im making a dedicated backup box in vmware for laughzilla sites
[10:18] Vinnie: I do it on my production box but I dont feel right letting people ssh into it
[10:18] Vinnie: so now im just gonna make a whole new box for them to ssh into
[10:19] Vinnie: totally de3dicated to just backups
[10:19] Jimmy: what is the storage?
[10:19] Jimmy: a vm disk?
[10:19] Jimmy: or mounted drive to the vm?
[10:20] Vinnie: 100G
[10:20] Vinnie: gig whatever
[10:20] Jimmy: 100 gig vm?
[10:20] Vinnie: im just starting with a fresh install
[10:20] Vinnie: yea
[10:20] Jimmy: why?
[10:20] Vinnie: why not?
[10:20] Vinnie: I got tons of room
[10:21] Jimmy: why?
[10:21] Jimmy: all my vm's are 4gb
[10:22] Vinnie: heh too small
[10:26] Jimmy: why?
[10:26] Vinnie: why do you keep saying why?
[10:28] Jimmy: because i'm asking you a question
[10:28] Jimmy: to
[10:28] Jimmy: your statements
[10:29] Jimmy: let me rephrase my question
[10:30] Jimmy: why are you making the vm's 100GB
[10:30] Jimmy: why is 4GB too small?
[10:30] Vinnie: 10G /var
[10:31] Vinnie: 5G /tmp
[10:31] Vinnie: 5G /
[10:31] Vinnie: 40G for the backup
[10:31] Vinnie: and 40G for /usr
[10:31] Jimmy: 1GB /var
[10:31] Jimmy: 1g /tmp
[10:31] Jimmy: 5G /
[10:31] Jimmy: 4G /usr
[10:32] Jimmy: /backup remotely mounted from the host machine via smbfs
[10:32] Jimmy: that way you have a managable sized vm that you can backup.
[10:32] Vinnie: ok go ahewad and install all the qmail stuffs and tell me you dont start getting low on room
[10:32] Jimmy: my qmail has been running for 3 years on a 4GB vm
[10:33] Jimmy: minoru# df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a 248M 200M 28M 88% /
devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev
/dev/ad0s1e 248M 193M 35M 85% /tmp
/dev/ad0s1f 2.7G 2.2G 307M 88% /usr
/dev/ad0s1d 739M 630M 50M 93% /var
192.168.175.1:/mnt/hd/mail_store 192G 152G 31G 83% /usr/local/vpopmail
[10:33] Vinnie: yea thats just nuts
[10:34] Jimmy: nope... i can backup the entire vm using the vdk files in less than 15 minutes
[10:34] Vinnie: I dont like being more than 70% full or I can't sleep at night
[10:34] Vinnie: LOL
[10:34] Jimmy: let me know how long it takes you to back up your 100GB box... and lemme know how much data is corrupted during the backup because the data keeps changing
[10:35] Vinnie: why would it be corrupted?
[10:35] Jimmy: because data is being writting to the box if it's live during backup
[10:35] Vinnie: I been backing up laughzilla box on my production box for over a year with no problems
[10:36] Jimmy: so
[10:36] Vinnie: why would doing the same thing on vmware be any different?
[10:36] Jimmy: it wouldn't
[10:36] Jimmy: but would you wanna make a backup of the actual VM?
[10:36] Jimmy: I would
[10:36] Jimmy: incase something goes wrong with the box itself, you can start up the good copy
[10:37] Vinnie: I ,uh, eh, WHAT?!
[10:37] Jimmy: not to mention, how long does it take to make a snapshot?
[10:37] Vinnie: im not making a backup iof the vm
[10:37] Vinnie: maybe I wasn't clear
[10:37] Jimmy: you should
[10:37] Vinnie: [10:21] Vinnie: im making a dedicated backup box in vmware for laughzilla sites
[10:38] Vinnie: meaning I am making a vmware freebsd box for laughzillas backups
[10:38] Jimmy: yes
[10:38] Jimmy: i know
[10:38] Jimmy: i know i know
[10:38] Vinnie: ok ok
[10:38] Jimmy: root@gozu:/usr/local/VirtMach# du -sh *
17G Hideki_webserv_ii
11G Minoru
17G Minoru_ii
8.1G TinyDNS Box
11G Yuzuki_cudb
8.1G Yuzuki_fuck_nick
11G hideki_webserv
6.3G shinbo_radius
6.0G shinbo_radius.2
2.1G test
[10:38] Jimmy: that is all my vm's
[10:38] Jimmy: and thier sizes
[10:38] Jimmy: ok, none of them are 4gb
[10:38] Jimmy: my bad
[10:39] Jimmy: no, actually they are, cause they have snapshots
[10:39] Jimmy: lemme put it like this
[10:39] Jimmy: Minoru is my qmail box
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[10:39] Jimmy: root@gozu:/usr/local/VirtMach# ls -al Minoru
total 10545396
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-10-10 01:45 ./
drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 4096 2007-10-10 03:29 ../
-rw------- 1 root root 5368709120 2007-10-03 02:50 FreeBSD-flat.vmdk
-rw------- 1 root root 9819 2007-10-03 02:53 FreeBSD.png.sav
-rw------- 1 root root 343 2007-10-03 02:50 FreeBSD.vmdk
-rw------- 1 root root 4891607040 2007-10-10 01:27 FreeBSD.vmdk.REDO_d0yu9a
-rw------- 1 root root 0 2007-10-03 02:55 FreeBSD.vmsd
-rw------- 1 root root 537895883 2007-10-03 02:53 FreeBSD.vmsn
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1537 2007-10-05 15:45 FreeBSD.vmx*
-rw------- 1 root root 1274 2007-10-03 02:53 FreeBSD.vmx.sav
[10:39] Jimmy: -rw------- 1 root root 8664 2007-10-10 01:27 nvram
-rw------- 1 root root 8664 2007-10-03 02:35 nvram.sav
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25532 2007-10-05 15:30 vmware-0.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19977 2007-10-05 15:05 vmware-1.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26235 2007-10-05 14:59 vmware-2.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36846 2007-10-10 01:28 vmware.log
[10:40] Jimmy: the FreeBSD.vmdk.REDO_d0yu9a 4GB file is a snapshot
[10:40] Jimmy: 5.0G 2007-10-03 02:50 FreeBSD-flat.vmdk is the actual VM
[10:41] Jimmy: i can `cp Minoru Minoru.backup` in about 10 minutes or less
[10:41] * Vinnie starts swimming
[10:41] Jimmy: heh
[10:41] Jimmy: then i have a fresh copy of the box...
[10:41] Vinnie: hold on
[10:42] Jimmy: at that point, i can go and fuck around with updating shit or whatever and if i break something I just stop the vm, delete it, copy the backup back into the original folder and wha-la... all done
[10:43] Jimmy: all i'm saying is... you could just make a 10 or 20GB VM, and within the VM mount a share from the host box. (which i'm assuming is a windows box)
[10:44] Jimmy: that way your vm is static (other than logs, no data is written to the actual machine)
[10:44] Vinnie: ohhhh
[10:44] Vinnie: I see
[10:44] Vinnie: I get it now
[10:44] Jimmy: yeah, i know it's hard to explain
[10:44] Vinnie: so make a share in winblows, mount it, and backup to that location
[10:44] Jimmy: not your fault...
[10:44] Jimmy: yes
[10:44] Jimmy: YES!!!
[10:44] Vinnie: gotcha
[10:44] Jimmy: that way the VM is just like... doing a job
[10:45] Vinnie: well im gonan stop this right now
[10:45] Vinnie: rethink it a bit
[10:45] Vinnie: thanks for that
[10:45] Jimmy: yep
[10:45] Jimmy: just my 2 cents
[10:45] * Vinnie hands mintee a $1
[10:45] Jimmy: i was trying to explain that to mut the other day and he wasn't getting it either
[10:45] Jimmy: i just don't want a damn 100GB file on my machine ya know...
[10:45] Jimmy: heh
[10:46] Vinnie: got it