Yahoo! Messenger (10/29/2007 4:29:01 PM): boxer_pups4eva has joined the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger (10/29/2007 4:29:01 PM): Katherine has joined the conference.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:29:16 PM): Hiya.
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:29:22 PM): helloo
Katherine (10/29/2007 4:29:37 PM): Hi.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:29:53 PM): Kay, question. "Who owns Code Lyoko?"
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:30:48 PM): Moonscoop... Taffy... Antefilms. right?
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:30:52 PM): Indeed.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:31:06 PM): If they own Code Lyoko, it means they made the Episodes.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:31:17 PM): Now who owns the music people use?
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:31:50 PM): the artists? the music ppl... the ppl who made then music like band players.... i think.. idk
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:31:57 PM): Exactly.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:32:52 PM): So then why all the fights online? We don't own the music, and we don't own the clips. We may own our 'concept' of what we put in the video. Like listen to a song, get an idea, the idea we don't own, but when we make the video. 'The way' we made it we do. But over all, the clips, the song, the stuff in it. You think that would hold up in court?
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:33:22 PM): "Mr.Judge he/she stole my song or my video clips". They'd laugh at you, they wouldn't even consider that a case.
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:33:41 PM): wow. who would do tht?
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:33:57 PM): Nobody, it'd be stupid too. But fighting over it, is almost the exact same thing.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:34:26 PM): The true owners are those that made the things, and liscensed them. Anyone can put them together, but the one that created the materials to be used, are the one's that can trul say it's theirs.
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:34:36 PM): *truly
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:35:33 PM): oooooh
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:35:39 PM): ya
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:36:15 PM): So even if someone does use someone else's video's. Not saying anyone did, I'm just saying it in a rhetorical way. The stuff in the video, is no more theirs, then it is the person before them.
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:36:52 PM): i just dont like it when ppl steal someone elses video and uses their clips
Yahoo! Messenger (10/29/2007 4:36:53 PM): aelitadagostino has joined the conference.
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:36:58 PM): tht makes me mad
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:13 PM): i just now saw that invite
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:15 PM): my bad
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:18 PM): >______>
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:37:23 PM): But the clips don't belong to that person. They belong to moonscoop. The clips are overall in the end, Moonscoops.
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:37 PM): huh whats goin on?!
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:37:43 PM): but ppl will take the stuff u work forever on,
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:37:50 PM): Ack...I don't want to repeat myself. One sec, I'll pastebin what was said before.
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:38:15 PM): is someone crying in here?!
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:38:27 PM): Huh?
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:38:43 PM): http://pastebin.ca/754405 <--There, that was said before you joined.
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:38:44 PM): wtf is goin on dang i'm sorry for not seein the invite
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:38:53 PM): No prob. Read that to catch up.
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:39:17 PM): i dont wanna read ick
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:39:20 PM): O.o
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:39:23 PM): lol
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:39:33 PM): i think i got a clue
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:40:21 PM): I'll sum it up then. Clips of Code Lyoko, belong to Moonscoop, Songs belong to artists who make them, the material in a video belongs to the person that created the material. Any person can make a video, by putting that material together. But in the end, it can't stand up in court, of clip stealing claims. Since the clips belong to Moonscoop.
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:40:48 PM): is someone upset because we are trying to defend the fact that people keep taking credit for our fan-vids that obiously we worked very hard on but when people take them its like stealing fan-tising thus forth is not cool and taking credit for amvs and arrangments of clips i will not put up with?
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:41:18 PM): gosh dang it regina you type faster than me
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:41:20 PM): :
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:41:24 PM): Lol
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:41:27 PM): **
boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:41:28 PM): lol
HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:42:06 PM): The arrangement of clips, when someone uses them, they normally re-arrange them from what I see, so how is it stealing clips?
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:07 PM): but am i right?!
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:15 PM): .........
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:19 PM): how it is stealing is
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:28 PM): the fact people have different brains
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:30 PM): BRAINS!
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:35 PM): alot of people
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:40 PM): cannot find ways to cut them
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:45 PM): in a way it matches
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:50 PM): thats why they go out
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:56 PM): and find everyone elses videos
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:59 PM): and uses them
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:01 PM): *use
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:09 PM): and think everything is just allright
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:14 PM): but when people take
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:17 PM): other peoples art
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:19 PM): it hurts
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:25 PM): it seriously does
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:31 PM): now
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:39 PM): ok people take my gifs all the time
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:43 PM): put they're names on it
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:48 PM): and bgs as well
aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:53 PM): i'm ok with that but
aelitadagostino: when people go too far
aelitadagostino: and think they can just take peoples fan videos
aelitadagostino: that becomes a threat to our work
aelitadagostino: i see many many peoples videos
aelitadagostino: get stolen
aelitadagostino: its not cool
aelitadagostino: cause i wonder how everyone else is feeling
aelitadagostino: and it dont feel good
aelitadagostino: not at all
aelitadagostino: idk about you uys
aelitadagostino: *guys
aelitadagostino: but i make my videos to make everyone else happy
aelitadagostino: but when they steal the videos
aelitadagostino: not so happy anymore
aelitadagostino: that ruins the fun
aelitadagostino: of there only being one vide
aelitadagostino: like that
aelitadagostino: on youtube
aelitadagostino: one fun video
aelitadagostino: people can enjoy
aelitadagostino: OMFG I FEEL LIKE A PREACHER!!!!!
aelitadagostino: some body come alive and say somethin!!!!!!!!!
Katherine: ...
boxer_pups4eva: u talk a lotttt
aelitadagostino: >_>
aelitadagostino: yes
boxer_pups4eva: u ots lots tah say
aelitadagostino: ..i'm sorry
boxer_pups4eva: **gots
hikaru_xana: But if the fights keep up, youtube will see it as us claiming the video's our our's, true, but they'll see it as us claiming the clips....Which is why they want to take them down.
boxer_pups4eva: but thts
boxer_pups4eva: why
aelitadagostino: what makes me even more mad in which i want it to stop complettely
boxer_pups4eva: we say we dont own anything
Katherine: I can I please say something to barbara...
aelitadagostino: is i want people to stop asking where the clips are from ! it says on my channel! it says everything! grrr
boxer_pups4eva: yes
boxer_pups4eva: my yes was to katerine
boxer_pups4eva: lol
boxer_pups4eva: **katherine
aelitadagostino: i kno
aelitadagostino: >_>
boxer_pups4eva: ok making sure
Katherine: Errm, right...
aelitadagostino: i'm scared man
Katherine: :S
aelitadagostino: are you gonna Chew my face off kat?
boxer_pups4eva: lol
Katherine: Errm, I haven't stolen anyones clips kay?
aelitadagostino: yess you have
Katherine: I got the episodes.
aelitadagostino: i have a keen eye for detail
Katherine: From what hikaru has suppiled with websites.
aelitadagostino: dont remember that
aelitadagostino: dont say that geeze!
aelitadagostino: I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES!
aelitadagostino: my la'mour video
aelitadagostino: ghdaspfoi
aelitadagostino: *l'amour
Katherine: That was ages ago/
Katherine: We had this voer.
aelitadagostino: nope
Katherine: Gee.
Katherine: >_>
aelitadagostino: i saw it
aelitadagostino: on la passion
Katherine: My turn to type
aelitadagostino: i saw it
Katherine: No.
Katherine: NO!
aelitadagostino: mmhmmm
Katherine: I DIDN'T!
Katherine: WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS!
aelitadagostino: i saw it are you calling me a freakin liar!
aelitadagostino: I SAW IT!
Katherine: I'M NOT!
Katherine: I DIDN'T!
aelitadagostino: I SAW ALOT OF PEOPLES VIDEO!
Katherine: LIKE HIKARU SAID
aelitadagostino: S
Katherine: TJHERES ONLY 90 EPISODES REALEASED SO FAR.
aelitadagostino: omfg
Katherine: Fgs/
aelitadagostino: fgs/ to you too
Katherine: I'm in the middle of changging the formats atm.
Katherine: To wmv
Katherine: Instead of avi.
aelitadagostino: *sigh*
Katherine: So I can make videos faster.
Katherine: Hikaru is helping me./
aelitadagostino: ok
Katherine: Why can't you understand this?
Katherine: WHY?!
aelitadagostino: why cant you?!?
aelitadagostino: I"M NOT LYING!
aelitadagostino: your going off topic oofff
Katherine: I FEEL SO MAD THAT THIS!
aelitadagostino: I FREAKIN SAW IT~!
Katherine: SO MAD!
aelitadagostino: ARE YOU FREAKIN LYING TO ME!
aelitadagostino: STOP SAYING ITS NOT IN THERE BECAUSE IT IS!
Katherine: I'VE BEEN CRYING FOR FOUR HOURS TODAY 'CAUSE OF WHATS HAPPENING!
aelitadagostino: I KNO MY VIDEOS MORE THAN ANYONE!
aelitadagostino: well
aelitadagostino: its no my fault
hikaru_xana: Completely copying a video is understandable. But if it's similiar, then it can't really be claimed, can it? There are only 90 episodes of CL and only some certain amount of effects. People may just be using the same effect and or scenes....Can you show examples of both video's? *trying to stay neutral*
aelitadagostino: regina
aelitadagostino: why muct you be soo ehhhhhhhh whats the word...descriptive ? no
aelitadagostino: um
aelitadagostino: idk the word but
aelitadagostino: Fan-vids can be claimed just not all the way
Katherine: Why don't you understand me?
aelitadagostino: the arrangements can be
aelitadagostino: (*sigh*
aelitadagostino: IM STICKING UP FOR MYSELF
aelitadagostino: BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS
Katherine: Sorry, I had lag.
aelitadagostino: THEY CAN JUST WALK ALL OVER ME!
hikaru_xana: Trying to see it from both sides here, and help get a compromise.
aelitadagostino: i am
aelitadagostino: FREAKIN
aelitadagostino: SICK
aelitadagostino: OF THE STUPIDITY
aelitadagostino: on youtube
aelitadagostino: so much DRAMA!
hikaru_xana: I think what AMV's are, is what they call 'Intellectual Property'. Meaning if you took the exact same music video it'd be wrong (though not much you could do to stop them) but remixing or remaking is perfectly acceptable.
Katherine: I should of never returned to youtube anyhow... -.-
aelitadagostino: ALL I WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY! and all they do is cant do things for themselves and use everyone elses "ART"
Katherine: Nobody has welcomed me much.
hikaru_xana: Or at least, that's what it would be considered as in a official court or trial...
aelitadagostino: never take clips from in which you dont kno the source
aelitadagostino: may i repeat
aelitadagostino: ?!
aelitadagostino: once is enough
hikaru_xana: Hmm.
hikaru_xana: Let's see it from another view then.
Katherine: I'm sorry, if you think I copied. I couldn't be anymore. But I never stole anyones clips...
aelitadagostino: yes i can prove it one sec
aelitadagostino: dont say anything
aelitadagostino: or type
aelitadagostino: i'm gonna prove this
hikaru_xana: You say, it's art, and that the person remixing it is in the wrong. Take it from the person that created the music then. That's their art, and when we use it in video's we're remxing it...wouldn't that be the same in AMV's?
hikaru_xana: Ack, that entered before I saw your message. Stupid lag, sorry.
aelitadagostino: ok
aelitadagostino: veryone
aelitadagostino: grr
aelitadagostino: *everyone
aelitadagostino: open 2 new browser windows please
Katherine: Barbara... Look, I'm sorry if you think I'm copying. But I'm not. I'm just using episodes like everyone else. I'm sorry if it looks similar... Yes my old videos have clips that are taken...
aelitadagostino: i'm proving it
Katherine: Do as you please.
Katherine: I give up.
aelitadagostino: open 2 windows please
Katherine: My life is a drang.
Katherine: You live thousands of miles away
aelitadagostino: dont turn emo on us
aelitadagostino: and btw
aelitadagostino: i hate labels
Katherine: You can't do anything to me anyhow. You're the least of my worries.
Katherine: I have to many.
Katherine: I really give up.
Katherine: I REALLY GIVE UP!
aelitadagostino: dont
Katherine: I HATE MY LIFE
Katherine: GAAAAAH
aelitadagostino: dont
Katherine: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
Katherine: FGS
Katherine: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
aelitadagostino: me?
aelitadagostino: your the one freakin out
Katherine: I MIGHT ASWEL GO AND DO MY WRISTS AGAIN.
Katherine: MAYBE ILL DIE THIS TIME
aelitadagostino: geeze
aelitadagostino: dont do that
aelitadagostino: thats satan talkin
Katherine: I do it all the time. 'Cause I have hell in r/l and online too.
Katherine: This is getting to much for me.
aelitadagostino: well
aelitadagostino: i dont want any of my friends to die
aelitadagostino: ok>?
Katherine: You actually consider me as a friend?
Katherine: O.O!
aelitadagostino: yeah!?
Katherine: Now thats something.
aelitadagostino: hello?!
aelitadagostino: i dont leave my friends
aelitadagostino: no matter how much they make me angry
aelitadagostino: besides
aelitadagostino: um
aelitadagostino: lauren
Katherine: It's jsut I don't sreal clips
aelitadagostino: she dont count
Katherine: OMG MY COMPTUER IS GUNNA D/C
aelitadagostino: do you guys still have your windows up?
Katherine: Sorry if I go off.
Katherine: :S
hikaru_xana: I've got Firefox open.
aelitadagostino: ok well in one of those 2 windows
aelitadagostino: will you please insert this
aelitadagostino: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwVtWrx2ldE
aelitadagostino: and slide to the time
aelitadagostino: eh one sec
Katherine: Errr.
Katherine: I can't, my computer is crashing.
Katherine: Omg, 00:04am I need to start my homework...
aelitadagostino: ..........your just leavein so you wont see it!
aelitadagostino: >___<
hikaru_xana: I can take screenshots..if need be...
Katherine: No.
aelitadagostino: no lol
Katherine: I'm staying.
Katherine: I'm closing my account anyhow.
Katherine: So this will being interesting for me.
hikaru_xana: *sigh* Don't do that, and by the way...from a google search a day or two ago. There are sites that everyone on youtube are on, and anyone can 'save' a persons video.
aelitadagostino: AHHH!!!!!!!!
aelitadagostino: found it!
aelitadagostino: eh
aelitadagostino: whatever
aelitadagostino: but
aelitadagostino: what i'm sayin is
Katherine:
Katherine: I need a razor...
aelitadagostino: you used my l'amour video even if you didnt kno it
aelitadagostino: because i turned the clip
Katherine: ?
aelitadagostino: of aelita upsidedown and it triggered my memory
aelitadagostino: when shes falling
Katherine: o =
Katherine: OMG
aelitadagostino: yeaaaaaaaaah
aelitadagostino: but
Katherine: That's easy.
aelitadagostino: i can tell these things
Katherine: Gee.
aelitadagostino: yes i kn
aelitadagostino: *kno
aelitadagostino: but why would you just suddenly do that
Katherine: You can say as you please. I give up. I don't steal. End of.
aelitadagostino: it was part of the clip
aelitadagostino: .....................................how about we just save the trouble
aelitadagostino: and say
aelitadagostino: do you still use those clips
Katherine: No.
aelitadagostino: pinkaelitahopper sent you?
Katherine: I use episodes.
Katherine: Nope.
Katherine: I deleted.
Katherine: When I told you.
Katherine: I don't lie.
aelitadagostino: hmmm i see the same material
Katherine: I told you.
aelitadagostino: in every video tho
aelitadagostino: episodes
Katherine: Yeah.
aelitadagostino: have un-limited
aelitadagostino: possiblilities
Katherine: 'Cause.
aelitadagostino: but how come i always see the same
boxer_pups4eva: wow lots of writing
Katherine: I'm in the middle converting episodes!
Katherine: I can only use certain ones.
aelitadagostino: how about
aelitadagostino: instead of saying
Katherine: And I've had a lot of difficuity lately.
aelitadagostino: IMPORT INTO COLLECTIONS
Katherine: With my computer.
Katherine: And switching.
aelitadagostino: just drag the ep
aelitadagostino: click play
aelitadagostino: watch it
aelitadagostino: and whenever you see a scene
aelitadagostino: YOU like
aelitadagostino: click the split button
aelitadagostino: and keep going
hikaru_xana: That takes forever.
aelitadagostino: thats what i do
Katherine: I don't use wmm.
aelitadagostino: HAHAHA
aelitadagostino: no it doesnt
aelitadagostino: it takes but a fe mins for me
aelitadagostino: instead of wating for
aelitadagostino: a HUGE 170 MB ep to load
aelitadagostino: just cut it yourself
aelitadagostino: dont be so lazy
aelitadagostino: and let the computer do everything for you
aelitadagostino: thats why we got brains
Katherine: But doesn't that kinda' ruin it?
aelitadagostino: which are more complex than supercomputers
aelitadagostino: how? what ruin hhuhh? wtf are you talkin about
Katherine: 'Cause.
Katherine: You have parts of an episode then.
aelitadagostino: .......
Katherine: Not the whole thing.
aelitadagostino: you also dont have the pointless clips
aelitadagostino: if you use your brain
aelitadagostino: WHILE on the computer
hikaru_xana: But what if you're trying to convey an idea?
aelitadagostino: it makes you much smarter
aelitadagostino: ..........
aelitadagostino: dont think of the clips
aelitadagostino: think of the song
hikaru_xana: Such as match lyrics. Clips you like, don't always match the lyrics.
aelitadagostino: this is a chees moment
aelitadagostino: ...
aelitadagostino: be the music
aelitadagostino: feel the rhythm
aelitadagostino: LOL
aelitadagostino: dont think of CL
aelitadagostino: or eps
aelitadagostino: just concentrate
aelitadagostino: on the music
hikaru_xana: Er, I stick to lyrics more then beat. If the clips don't match, then...they can't be used.
aelitadagostino: and the clips WILL come to you
hikaru_xana: Each to his or her own though.
Katherine: I agree with hikaru...
aelitadagostino: ....................................
aelitadagostino: there it goes
aelitadagostino: i agree
aelitadagostino: i'm tired of that
Katherine: O.O
Katherine: I'll shut up then.
aelitadagostino: everyone makes me sick
Katherine: That's what I usually do.
aelitadagostino: i feel like i wanna throw up
aelitadagostino: dang
Katherine: Welcome to my life.
Katherine: >_>
aelitadagostino: no
aelitadagostino: i dont wanna be in your life i am ME, not you
Katherine: Sure.
aelitadagostino: i will not interfear with your life
aelitadagostino: i am a person
Katherine: You are right now.
boxer_pups4eva: im gunna go now.......................
boxer_pups4eva has left the conference.
aelitadagostino: far away from you
Katherine: Very true.
aelitadagostino: dont let people
aelitadagostino: get to you
aelitadagostino: only if you've done bad things
Katherine: People always get me down.
Katherine: ] '=
aelitadagostino: me too
aelitadagostino: but still
hikaru_xana: Eh, Anyone can use my clips, songs, video's, whatever. Because in the end, they make what they make. But it's not the exact same. A song or video can be done by several people. But each person has their own way of doing it.
aelitadagostino: anyone can use clips
Katherine: And I usually get told bad things for good stuff...
aelitadagostino: but its nice to ask people
aelitadagostino: before the usage of yoour clips on the timeline for a long period of length
aelitadagostino: well
aelitadagostino: NOT MINE!
aelitadagostino: but
aelitadagostino: MOONSCOOPS
aelitadagostino: clips
aelitadagostino: in
aelitadagostino: an
aelitadagostino: ORDERLY
aelitadagostino: fashion
aelitadagostino: done by
aelitadagostino: yours truly
aelitadagostino: so dont go sayin i said they were
aelitadagostino: MINE
aelitadagostino: >________>
Katherine: Errm, lol?
aelitadagostino: no laughing
aelitadagostino: i will barf on youz
aelitadagostino: LOL
aelitadagostino: eeze
aelitadagostino: here it goes
Katherine: It'll have to travel a distance
Katherine: x]
aelitadagostino: EH crap i laughed
aelitadagostino: XD haha
aelitadagostino: i wanna barf!! !
hikaru_xana: Eh...*actually sick* Damn weather.
Katherine: My homework looks great... A blank page... It's been looking like that for week, and it has to be handed in tomorrow... Well today (00:19am)
aelitadagostino: i'm sick too
aelitadagostino: your not alone >___>
Katherine: I was sick.
Katherine: Errm, last week.
Katherine: IN MY HOILDAYS!
Katherine: Omg... Where the heck is my pencil case... O.O
aelitadagostino: O_o
Katherine: >_> I'll use my brothers...
Katherine: He'll never know.
aelitadagostino: LOL
Katherine: I hope.
Katherine: = S
Katherine: Arrg, wireless is gunna' d/c again! ] =<
hikaru_xana: As for clicking and dragging. That's fun..but this way shall prevail! Finally found a decent clip splitter.
aelitadagostino: who in this chatroom
hikaru_xana: Us 3.
aelitadagostino: wait
aelitadagostino: i wasnt finished
aelitadagostino: lol
Katherine: LMAO.
hikaru_xana: Oh, read that wrong.
Katherine: I think lyokogurl44 got bored.
Katherine: >_>
aelitadagostino: Who in this chat room, usually talks. writes and types in complette sentences. Raise your hand.
aelitadagostino: now tell me if you rose your hand.
hikaru_xana: *raises hand*
aelitadagostino: xD
aelitadagostino: *parcially raises hand* lol
Katherine: My computer is weird...
Katherine: *BANGS!*
aelitadagostino: yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
aelitadagostino: ok
aelitadagostino has left the conference.
Katherine: Lol. Lets close this.
dolphingirl199945 has left the conference.