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[20:23:43] <Daviey> hey thomas'
[20:23:48] <thomas> hey
[20:24:36] <thomas> are we making different teams?
[20:24:46] <thomas> ie, blueprint team, bug team, etc?
[20:24:52] <davemorris> I'd rather not
[20:24:57] <Daviey> thomas.. yeah - you will be in the /dev/null team :)
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[20:25:05] <thomas> well line 12 confuses me
[20:25:12] <foxbuntu> gobby
[20:25:17] <malimonc> linxe 12 is empty
[20:25:27] <Daviey> fox o/
[20:25:37] <thomas> 13
[20:25:41] <foxbuntu> ok so what are we looking at?
[20:25:43] <malimonc> 13 is empty too..
[20:25:54] <thomas> the red line
[20:26:01] <Daviey> fox, open document list
[20:26:04] <malimonc> haha
[20:26:09] <Daviey> "Task List"
[20:26:30] <foxbuntu> k
[20:26:46] <malimonc> i still feel like we are missing things
[20:27:34] <davemorris> Daviey, you still need to setup your mythtv planet!
[20:27:42] <malimonc> www.mythtvnews.com?
[20:27:42] <Daviey> Yes!
[20:27:46] <malimonc> its already setup
[20:27:53] <Daviey> mail.. was thinking "planetmythtv.com"
[20:27:56] <Daviey> keep it hush tho
[20:28:13] <malimonc> i dont see any usefulness in a second one?
[20:28:36] <Daviey> malimonc, and who can submit to it?
[20:28:50] <malimonc> the guy running it has feeds that he follows
[20:28:51] <malimonc> i think
[20:28:57] <malimonc> our PR womanager should ask
[20:28:58] <Daviey> it's a blog.. not a proper planet
[20:29:06] <malimonc> okay so the best way i see this working, we should break up everything into a 'primary' and 'secondary'
[20:29:10] <malimonc> person to go to for it
[20:29:29] <Daviey> be back in 2.
[20:29:42] <malimonc> so for the first item, submiting upstream bugs
[20:29:56] <malimonc> i was going to nominate DaveMorris primary, and then tgm4883 secondary
[20:30:12] <thomas> what am i being nominated for?
[20:30:13] <Daviey> laga, has good links with upstream
[20:30:26] <thomas> upstream bugs
[20:30:33] <malimonc> that's true
[20:30:41] <malimonc> but he doesn't like people
[20:30:53] <malimonc> so that's why that didn't seem to make sense to make him have to deal with bug reports...
[20:30:54] <malimonc> hm
[20:31:51] <malimonc> well how about we'll leave DaveMorriss to be primary
[20:31:57] <malimonc> and laga secondary then?
[20:31:57] * davemorris wonders how laga has a gf if he doesn't like people
[20:32:15] <malimonc> that way if DaveMorris isn't sure about something
[20:32:20] <malimonc> laga takes care of it
[20:32:51] <davemorris> I need to understand those stacktraces stuff, so if the boss (superm1) can send me on a course ;)
[20:33:41] <malimonc> haha. well we can about that at a later point. i can try to explain what i understand on them
[20:34:09] <malimonc> at this point assuming you learn to understand what they are, can you manage to be primary on submitting upstream then?
[20:35:31] <malimonc> now I would think we should all triage though
[20:35:38] <malimonc> there is no reason for leaving that to one person.
[20:35:54] <malimonc> if you have an idea where something should go, or what priority to set, or needs more information: do it
[20:36:32] <malimonc> Okay next item
[20:36:39] <malimonc> PR Manager
[20:36:53] <davemorris> mrmonday?
[20:36:59] <Daviey> All help.. but one person who calls the shots
[20:38:00] <malimonc> well 'manager' probably needs to be a bit more involved
[20:38:07] <malimonc> than just an editor for one publication
[20:40:17] <foxbuntu> I would agree, that person needs to ensure that all infomariton publicy released from the team meets a certian standard
[20:40:51] <davemorris> so will that cover what I put in my blog about mythbuntu as well then?
[20:41:16] <thomas> i dont think so davemorris, i would think official announcments and such
[20:41:43] <Daviey> Yeah.. you can put what you want DaveMorris.. just nothin' official
[20:41:59] <Daviey> can we speed up the pace a bit?
[20:42:08] <malimonc> well answer mrmonday
[20:42:09] <malimonc> on irc
[20:42:12] <malimonc> that's what i'm waiting on here
[20:42:16] <Daviey> eek
[20:42:23] <Daviey> I was waiting _to_ answer him!
[20:42:24] <Daviey> :)
[20:42:47] <thomas> who is mrmonday?
[20:42:51] <davemorris> Daviey holds it up and moans at us to move onlone
[20:44:50] <Daviey> shall we move on whilst waiting
[20:44:58] <malimonc> okay sounds good.
[20:45:02] <malimonc> mirror list contacts
[20:45:12] <malimonc> as of right now, its a bit of a mess come every release
[20:45:18] <davemorris> does troy have irc?
[20:45:21] <Daviey> fox.. change your colour :)
[20:45:28] <foxbuntu> :P
[20:45:42] <malimonc> we need one person to be in charge of pushing/pulling releases around, so there is no confusion
[20:45:50] <malimonc> daviey i say you be primary and ben secondary
[20:46:14] <Daviey> Mario.. not sure what you mean
[20:46:36] <Daviey> ah, sync'ing mirrors?
[20:46:43] <malimonc> daviey well you be the contact person for all of the mirror related items
[20:46:47] <malimonc> and making sure they are getting synced
[20:46:51] <malimonc> doing the pushes that are necessary
[20:46:52] <Daviey> sure
[20:47:02] <malimonc> so come release we just say daviey: do it
[20:47:06] <malimonc> and it gets done
[20:47:12] <Daviey> I'm pretty much doing that atm already :)
[20:47:37] <malimonc> well for the final ISO, there was a thread of mails and lots of manual checking around
[20:47:40] <malimonc> so just to prevent confusion
[20:47:43] <thomas> to add to the iso releases, since we are keeping stats, is it possible to hide the directory contents?
[20:47:45] <malimonc> you've got the formal title for that nw
[20:48:17] <malimonc> so once we get a mail server setup
[20:48:17] <Daviey> thom, sure
[20:48:30] <thomas> k
[20:48:31] <malimonc> lets point mirrors@mythbuntu.org to you and ben
[20:48:35] <malimonc> CC both of you
[20:48:50] <Daviey> mario - I nearly set up a mailserver on mythbuntu.org the other day - but wanted to run it past you lot
[20:49:11] <malimonc> daviey i think at this point yeah go for it
[20:49:15] <malimonc> we're in need of it
[20:49:22] <thomas> mail server sounds good
[20:49:29] <malimonc> and we should have a private development address that automatically CC's all of us
[20:49:39] <Daviey> wasn't sure that was the best box tho - being webserver and all.. suppose it's low traffic tho
[20:49:41] <malimonc> for stuff that shouldn't be discussed on ubuntu-mythtv
[20:50:09] <Daviey> Well mailman.. but closed archives rather than cc
[20:50:09] <malimonc> daviey, do you have contact information right now for all the mirrors, or are you missing anything?
[20:50:14] <foxbuntu> Daviey we can move it later if need be
[20:50:23] <malimonc> daviey yeah that works
[20:50:30] <Daviey> Mario, have no contact details really
[20:50:37] <Daviey> Mario, i'll compile a list
[20:50:50] <malimonc> daviey okay, we'll make sure that you have everyones information then
[20:50:58] <Daviey> Should we keep a list of stuff on a private wiki, or on here?
[20:51:19] <malimonc> well private stuff like what?
[20:51:38] <Daviey> erm, contact details of mirror masters etc
[20:51:49] <malimonc> you can hold on to all that information
[20:51:56] <malimonc> no need to give it out to everyone on the team even
[20:51:58] <Daviey> ie, if i die - what happens :P
[20:52:02] <malimonc> well you and ben
[20:52:06] <Daviey> fair nuff
[20:52:12] <malimonc> that's the reason why i say primary and secondary for all the items here
[20:52:43] <malimonc> okay next item DNS control
[20:52:50] <malimonc> ben is the only one with this for now
[20:52:55] <Daviey> currently soley ben'
[20:53:09] <malimonc> i think that again it should be daviey and ben once we move to third party DNS
[20:53:13] <malimonc> with ben being primary
[20:53:21] <Daviey> for sure
[20:54:03] <malimonc> okay torrents
[20:54:11] <malimonc> tgm4883 you're all over that
[20:54:25] <davemorris> I can go seconday since I've done it once :)
[20:54:29] <malimonc> lets host the tracker on our backup server
[20:54:33] <malimonc> on jumpkick's box
[20:54:38] <malimonc> we can just host it outside drupal
[20:54:43] <malimonc> in some other application
[20:54:46] <Daviey> Have we got ack to do that with jumpkick?
[20:54:58] <malimonc> well it won't be any more intensive then hosting a website
[20:55:00] <malimonc> its not going to seed
[20:55:02] <malimonc> just tracker
[20:55:14] <Daviey> sure - but maybe we should ask him first
[20:55:24] <malimonc> okay probably a good idea
[20:55:27] <davemorris> can't we track on mythbunu.org
[20:55:29] <malimonc> tgm4883 you have contact info for him?
[20:55:33] <davemorris> since that only has www
[20:55:40] <thomas> for jumpkick?
[20:56:00] <Daviey> davemorris: I don't want mythbuntu.org to be doing too much - other than website.. but i suppose we could
[20:56:05] <malimonc> i agree
[20:56:11] <malimonc> mythbuntu.org really needs to be limited how much it can do
[20:56:26] <thomas> i agree
[20:56:30] <Daviey> mailserver and webserver only atm
[20:56:33] <malimonc> in the event that something dies anywhere, i'd prefer to take down as little as possible with it
[20:56:38] <thomas> the site holds up well during release
[20:56:38] <Daviey> we could trail torrent tracking...
[20:56:38] <malimonc> well and its an rsync server
[20:56:39] <malimonc> for ISOs
[20:57:01] <foxbuntu> I could host a mail server from home
[20:57:07] <Daviey> Mario: I also grab mysql dump and rsync www every 4 hrs
[20:57:15] <malimonc> yeah
[20:57:22] <davemorris> btw are those backups been built
[20:57:39] <malimonc> okay so torrents on backup server provided we get a +1 from jumpkick
[20:57:50] <malimonc> tgm4883: i'll get you his information, and let him know you're in charge of that.
[20:57:59] <thomas> k
[20:58:02] <davemorris> coz I'm not grabbing any in the fileformat superm1 game me
[20:58:13] <malimonc> davemorris, that changed a lot
[20:58:22] <malimonc> daviey's got it under control for now
[20:58:46] <Daviey> \o/
[20:58:52] <Daviey> It's a little dirty atm
[20:58:53] <thomas> is jumpkicks box the backup for www?
[20:59:00] <malimonc> tgm4883: we'll need to get dns for tracker.mythbuntu.org for jumpkick's box
[20:59:00] <Daviey> thom, yes
[20:59:01] <malimonc> yeah
[20:59:03] <thomas> k
[20:59:18] <Daviey> thomas, untested tho atm!
[20:59:24] <Daviey> but it _should_ work
[20:59:27] <thomas> ok
[20:59:31] <malimonc> okay next item
[20:59:35] <malimonc> announcements to website
[20:59:54] <thomas> PR monger
[21:00:06] <malimonc> PR manager is stil waiting on hearin mrmonday
[21:00:07] <Daviey> Now.. we didn't really get clearance to add our feed to the planet...
[21:00:13] <thomas> right
[21:00:20] <thomas> but that should be something that the PR manager does
[21:00:20] <malimonc> did we get some bad flac for that?
[21:00:56] <Daviey> I justified it in my head, as it was only Ubuntu Members (those entitled in their own right to blog there) adding stories... As there has been no probs.. this shouldn't be a problem
[21:01:14] <malimonc> okay so no worries there
[21:01:23] <malimonc> so PR manager is the *only* person that can do announces
[21:01:28] <malimonc> once that person is decided upon
[21:01:44] <thomas> yes
[21:01:52] <thomas> although we should probably have a backup
[21:01:55] <thomas> like everything else
[21:02:06] <malimonc> well there will be a backup PR manager under that task
[21:02:09] <malimonc> yeah
[21:02:20] <malimonc> okay so until pr manager is decided we'll hold off listing that
[21:02:30] <malimonc> next item access piv to what server
[21:02:58] <malimonc> currently there are a lot of ssh keys in ~/.ssh on jumpkick's box
[21:03:04] <malimonc> and there are a few accounts on mythbuntu.org
[21:03:15] <malimonc> and we can all pretty much modify anything on mythbuntu.org
[21:03:32] <malimonc> not that there has been a problem with this, but it needs to be tightened
[21:03:35] <malimonc> so that there is accountability
[21:03:41] <Daviey> +1
[21:03:47] <malimonc> so who actually needs access to jumpkick's box?
[21:03:51] <foxbuntu> *Webdev Team* so to speak
[21:03:56] <thomas> torrent team
[21:04:01] <malimonc> and that's it
[21:04:02] <malimonc> right?
[21:04:10] <thomas> wheres teh mail server
[21:04:12] <foxbuntu> yup
[21:04:18] <Daviey> torrent team, just need scp/sftp access?
[21:04:35] <Daviey> mailserver - mythbuntu.org atm
[21:04:37] <thomas> well we have to setup the tracker, but after that yea
[21:04:50] <malimonc> well.
[21:05:05] <malimonc> so i'll take my access out of there
[21:05:05] <Daviey> I wonder if any one person should have write access to both main and backup
[21:05:07] * davemorris finally gets ssh access :)
[21:05:09] <thomas> Daviey, mailserver is on the canonical box?
[21:05:20] <Daviey> thomas, no - frink's
[21:05:21] <malimonc> no its the wimax guy's
[21:05:24] <Daviey> current www server
[21:05:26] <thomas> ah
[21:05:27] <thomas> ok
[21:05:43] <malimonc> daviey does your backup need to allow you access stlil?
[21:05:49] <malimonc> or is it all automated now
[21:05:57] <Daviey> automated -but NASTY
[21:06:01] <malimonc> does it need sudo
[21:06:03] <malimonc> or anything like that
[21:06:04] <Daviey> ps -A | grep cron
[21:06:05] <Daviey> no
[21:06:10] <malimonc> okay then this is what we do
[21:06:17] <malimonc> we make two new accounts
[21:06:22] <malimonc> for tgm and davemorriss
[21:06:33] <davemorris> a torrent group
[21:06:37] <malimonc> yeah
[21:06:46] <malimonc> and give tgm sudo
[21:06:51] <malimonc> take it away from 'mythbuntu'
[21:06:59] <malimonc> make mythbuntu's shell /dev/null
[21:07:22] <malimonc> and then remove any unnecessary ssh keys from the box
[21:07:31] <Daviey> this is frinks?
[21:07:35] <davemorris> do you resticted ssh to keys and ip's or just keys?
[21:07:35] <malimonc> this is jumpkicks'
[21:07:46] <malimonc> just keys i say
[21:07:49] <Daviey> erm.. do we have sudo access to jk's?
[21:07:56] <malimonc> i do
[21:08:08] <Daviey> oh
[21:08:09] <malimonc> i'm going to take that off of myself though
[21:08:13] <malimonc> after we give this to tgm
[21:08:29] <Daviey> so it was you that broke crontab!
[21:08:30] <Daviey> :)
[21:08:39] <malimonc> well crontab ain't broke for root
[21:08:40] <malimonc> haha
[21:08:43] <malimonc> anyway
[21:08:50] <malimonc> that sound sensible?
[21:09:02] <foxbuntu> yup
[21:09:15] <thomas> hmm
[21:09:18] <malimonc> so if we ever need to do anything else with the box, we'll have to go through the torrent guys
[21:09:24] <malimonc> if the backups fail etc
[21:09:27] <Daviey> Mario.. i need a proper cronjob
[21:09:35] <thomas> i havent used it, but libaache2-mod-bt appears to be a tracker module
[21:09:39] <malimonc> daviey okay we'll get that setup before all the access is revoked
[21:10:02] <malimonc> okay next set of boxes
[21:10:12] <Daviey> Mario.. currently a nohup shell script looping forever + sleep 4h
[21:10:13] <malimonc> any mirrors, only daviey and ben should have access
[21:10:18] <davemorris> can we set the keys on mythbuntu to auto sync to launchpad keys?
[21:10:19] <malimonc> yuck :)
[21:10:37] <malimonc> davemorris that sounds like an innovative idea
[21:10:41] <Daviey> davemorris.. should be able to
[21:11:56] <Daviey> arg.. backend crashed brb
[21:12:13] <malimonc> okay next after jjumpkick's and mirrors
[21:12:26] <davemorris> someone best fix it quick before the other 1/2 kills him :P
[21:12:42] <malimonc> we need to decide on access main www
[21:12:56] <malimonc> i'll be primary on that.
[21:13:15] <foxbuntu> mario - I will take secondary
[21:13:19] <malimonc> okay
[21:13:32] <malimonc> anyone else need any access still to /bin/sh?
[21:13:36] <malimonc> daviey i know you had it
[21:14:25] <Daviey> :(
[21:14:33] <malimonc> do you need it for anything still?
[21:14:56] <Daviey> I think so..
[21:15:10] <malimonc> w/ sudo?
[21:15:15] <Daviey> hmm
[21:15:30] <Daviey> unsure - i'd i'm maintiaing the mailserver element - possibly
[21:15:53] <malimonc> well perhaps foxbuntu you want to maintain mailserver items?
[21:15:59] <malimonc> you set up mailman before?
[21:16:00] <malimonc> or no
[21:16:43] <davemorris> we gonna get our mythbuntu.org addresses back then?
[21:17:05] <Daviey> davemorris.. i was thinking $role@mythbuntu.org
[21:18:38] <davemorris> whatabout davemorris@mythbuntu.org as well?
[21:18:53] <malimonc> yeah we should
[21:18:53] <Daviey> can't see why not
[21:19:05] <malimonc> i like role@mythbuntu.org too
[21:19:13] <malimonc> to automatically send to the right person
[21:19:14] <davemorris> +1
[21:19:34] <Daviey> np
[21:19:53] <malimonc> okay well whenever foxubuntu gets back, if you can handle mailman and mail server we'll let you do that
[21:20:03] <malimonc> otherwise we leave daviey on main www for that too
[21:20:46] <malimonc> next item of business
[21:20:55] <malimonc> priv to drupal
[21:21:04] <malimonc> we all have unrestricted rights to do *anything* right now
[21:21:12] <malimonc> so who needs to be able to do what?
[21:21:22] <davemorris> has that been a problem thus far?
[21:21:23] <thomas> PR team needs to post
[21:21:28] <Daviey> we should all be able to write unpublished stuff
[21:21:34] <davemorris> I'd still like to view everything
[21:21:37] <Daviey> but no priv to publish
[21:21:39] <malimonc> it hasn't been a problem, but i dont want to let it turn into one
[21:21:41] <davemorris> maybe not change it
[21:21:49] <thomas> torrent team either needs to be able to edit download page, or can forward to webdev team
[21:22:02] <thomas> webdev team obviously needs access
[21:22:14] <malimonc> okay so PR manager gets to publish any post
[21:22:18] <malimonc> webdev can edit any post
[21:22:19] <Daviey> Surely a fixed url.. $releasename.torrent ?
[21:22:38] <malimonc> and torrent can edit download page
[21:22:54] <Daviey> mario.. you know how to restrict it?
[21:22:58] <malimonc> Yes
[21:23:02] <malimonc> i need to make subteams for it
[21:23:05] <malimonc> i can handle that
[21:23:13] <malimonc> but i cant revoke my permissions since i'm user 1
[21:23:23] <malimonc> so i guess i'm part of webdev :)
[21:23:27] <Daviey> That can be changed :)
[21:24:05] <thomas> there also need to be a page on mythbuntu.org with all the teams
[21:24:05] <malimonc> tgm4833 you're in it with me
[21:24:06] <Daviey> I want to be careful we don't too restrict the team here..
[21:24:25] <malimonc> well that's true
[21:24:26] <thomas> mario, what am i in?
[21:24:42] <malimonc> well maybe we shouldnt lock it down that much
[21:24:44] <malimonc> how about instead
[21:24:47] <malimonc> we can all "edit" pages
[21:24:52] <malimonc> just only PR can publish
[21:24:58] <davemorris> can we 'sudo' to edit
[21:25:05] <davemorris> it'll prevent mistakes :)
[21:25:11] <malimonc> 'show preview'
[21:25:14] <malimonc> there is a button for that
[21:25:19] <malimonc> to make it necessary
[21:25:44] <thomas> shouldn't webdev also be able to adjust modules and such?
[21:25:49] <foxbuntu> mario - put me in webdev for artwork and such
[21:26:06] <malimonc> tgm, fox, well i'm not sure we should still break that up
[21:26:09] <malimonc> because what is the benefit then
[21:26:17] <malimonc> as daviey was saying by restricting it too much
[21:26:29] <foxbuntu> (sorry I got pulled away just catching up)
[21:26:37] <malimonc> vote?
[21:26:42] <thomas> ok
[21:26:45] <thomas> options?
[21:27:04] <malimonc> for lots restriction or for just make PR manager only one that can make new posts, everyone else can edit
[21:27:09] <malimonc> (option 1 or 2)
[21:27:12] <malimonc> i say 2
[21:27:19] <Daviey> 2
[21:27:25] <davemorris> do we need to include laga in the vote? ie the winner has got to have more than a 1 vote margin?
[21:27:34] <malimonc> just vote already
[21:27:37] <malimonc> and we'll see if we need to
[21:27:49] <foxbuntu> 2
[21:27:55] <thomas> 1, otherwise who adds modules
[21:27:55] <davemorris> 2
[21:27:56] <Daviey> I really don't want this getting too political
[21:28:10] <malimonc> that's 4 2's
[21:28:23] <malimonc> okay so adding modules needs to be done by someone with access to the www server
[21:28:26] <malimonc> either me or fox
[21:28:28] <malimonc> or daviey
[21:28:34] <thomas> right
[21:28:49] <malimonc> i'll leave turning them on and off as it is right now too
[21:29:01] <malimonc> the only thing that should get restricted is the ability to publish new posts
[21:29:31] <thomas> ok +1
[21:29:49] <malimonc> okay next item is tighten weekly builds?
[21:29:51] <malimonc> what's that mean?
[21:29:53] <malimonc> who put that there
[21:30:01] <Daviey> o/
[21:30:13] <Daviey> Currently it's not scripted+cron
[21:30:16] <Daviey> it should be
[21:30:26] <malimonc> well someone's SSH key needs to be used then somewhere
[21:30:39] <Daviey> erm.. a "builder" lp user
[21:30:56] <malimonc> well we had one, but that information for his ssh key went down with imbrandon's box
[21:31:03] <Daviey> yup
[21:31:31] <malimonc> daviey how about you just become the primary pusher
[21:31:44] <malimonc> and cron it on one of your boxes
[21:32:04] * davemorris giggles, Daviey is the pusher of mythbuntu ;)
[21:32:08] <malimonc> haha
[21:32:13] <foxbuntu> lol
[21:32:14] <davemorris> makes it sound like a drug
[21:32:22] <malimonc> it really is...
[21:32:23] <thomas> well it is addictive
[21:32:28] <foxbuntu> well we need to get more people addicted to it
[21:32:57] <malimonc> of course
[21:33:04] <malimonc> that's what PR manager is supposed to do...
[21:33:20] <davemorris> I'm gonna so mrmonday isn't interested
[21:33:29] <davemorris> shall we advertise on the site?
[21:33:36] <foxbuntu> great...new item for PR - * Push MythBuntuCrack
[21:34:19] <malimonc> well mrmonday might just be afk right now
[21:34:23] <malimonc> i nominate tgm4883's gf
[21:34:25] <malimonc> as primary
[21:34:30] <malimonc> and laga's as secondary
[21:34:42] <thomas> sounds good
[21:34:52] <foxbuntu> sex sells
[21:34:53] <thomas> i'll let her know
[21:34:58] <Daviey> laga's gf is ugly tho
[21:35:01] <malimonc> lol
[21:35:04] <foxbuntu> lmao
[21:35:12] <Daviey> this better not be logged :P
[21:35:18] <davemorris> thomas I need a 1 to 1 with the PR manager to sort out my image ;)
[21:35:28] <malimonc> i just made such a sexist assumption though right there thinking that tgm4883's gf is good with english.
[21:35:29] <malimonc> is she?
[21:35:32] <davemorris> !pastebing
[21:35:43] <thomas> yea
[21:35:49] <davemorris> daviey and my g/f?
[21:35:57] <Daviey> up a tree
[21:36:08] <malimonc> dav*: tgm4883's is younger and probably cuter :)
[21:36:15] * malimonc ducks
[21:36:31] <Daviey> Shall we have a review session?
[21:36:32] <davemorris> mines 22
[21:36:35] <thomas> well of course, she's from the USA
[21:36:38] <malimonc> haha!
[21:36:42] * davemorris wonders how much younger thomas is?
[21:36:53] <thomas> mines 23
[21:36:53] * foxbuntu thinks we better *get off* tgm's gf since I only have 45 mins left
[21:36:57] <davemorris> anyway back on topic
[21:37:02] <malimonc> okay yeah anyway
[21:37:09] <malimonc> if we can get some english folks to step up for that
[21:37:10] <malimonc> ask around
[21:37:16] <malimonc> we'll leave that as open for now
[21:37:28] <malimonc> artwork stuff, want to talk about that now fox?
[21:37:36] <foxbuntu> sure
[21:38:04] <foxbuntu> we have started moving into a unified theme (troy_s) and its going to be very retro
[21:38:36] <davemorris> got some screens?
[21:38:36] <foxbuntu> we are going to work towards MythTV, the UI for Install, Website (everything) looking the same
[21:38:46] <foxbuntu> yes...let me paste links in IRC
[21:39:53] <Daviey> Will this include mythweb?
[21:40:22] <malimonc> foxbuntu, how is this any different than before?
[21:40:26] <malimonc> then a few days ago?
[21:40:27] <foxbuntu> in 0.21 yes
[21:40:52] <foxbuntu> mario what do you mean?
[21:41:09] <malimonc> i thought there was going to be mock ups of an interface and stuff
[21:41:20] <foxbuntu> we havent gotten that far
[21:41:22] <malimonc> with an idea for gtk theme, or a myth them
[21:41:34] <foxbuntu> remember we wanted to show the team the theme direction
[21:41:52] <malimonc> but i thought you were going to show applying that to see what was possible
[21:41:55] <malimonc> hmph okay.
[21:42:10] <malimonc> well what do people think of it?
[21:42:36] <foxbuntu> btw the USplash will be animated exactly like that
[21:42:49] <davemorris> I'm a bit concered about a retro theme with an international user base
[21:42:58] <malimonc> how does that account for if your boot process takes more than 6-7 seconds?
[21:43:00] <Daviey> I think it looks good... but I am concerned it's too "bright"
[21:43:06] <thomas> i like the usplash. I'm ok with the wallpaper. I'm a little concerned with not having a ubuntu logo
[21:43:21] <thomas> foxbuntu corrected me earlier that it is not required
[21:43:39] <Daviey> well.. i don't think we should drop ties with ubuntu
[21:43:43] <thomas> i think that I would prefer it incorporated somewhere though
[21:43:47] <malimonc> thomas i see what you mean though: I would feel more at ease with the ubuntu logo somewhere in it
[21:43:53] <davemorris> +1 for ubuntu logo of some sort
[21:43:53] <Daviey> I think we should show something to say "Hey I'm a ubuntu derivative"
[21:44:13] <malimonc> what about like a hanging ubuntu off a tv antenna?
[21:44:20] * davemorris thinks of a father/son icon thing
[21:44:21] <malimonc> like the antenna goes through the center
[21:44:23] <foxbuntu> well We were planning on adding a *powered by Ubuntu some wheres in there
[21:44:55] <thomas> brb
[21:44:58] <foxbuntu> I can certianly work with troy on makking it fit
[21:45:07] <malimonc> also, how does this look against a white or black background?
[21:45:14] <davemorris> maybe the box the TV came in has Ubuntu plastered over it
[21:45:23] <malimonc> because i can see a lot of areas that the verticle stripes won't work
[21:45:41] <Daviey> Mario.. will it "clash" with your house?
[21:45:46] * malimonc ducks
[21:45:49] <foxbuntu> mario...actually we plan to use it against the wallpaper
[21:45:54] <Daviey> you need a new makeup set Mario
[21:46:09] <malimonc> makeup?
[21:46:17] <foxbuntu> somethign other than black/white
[21:47:00] <malimonc> fox but i mean there are a lot of other areas that the logo needs to be used
[21:47:04] <malimonc> not just in the install
[21:47:05] <malimonc> on the website
[21:47:08] <malimonc> on launchpad
[21:47:08] <foxbuntu> so over all...minus some tweaking...and a ubuntu logo somewheres....team +1?
[21:47:10] <malimonc> on planet
[21:47:34] <foxbuntu> mario...we are going to work all that out
[21:48:01] <foxbuntu> we are intending on a unified theme so we know all the places it has to be
[21:48:06] <davemorris> is it worthwhile having 2 themes which are completly different, ie 1 retro, 1 sleek modern so people can choose?
[21:48:14] <Daviey> foxbuntu.. can you check this stuff in to lp?
[21:48:19] <thomas> davemorris, i don't think so
[21:48:26] <malimonc> er only if its svg check it in
[21:48:32] <malimonc> dont check in any other formats i'd think
[21:48:41] <Daviey> agree
[21:48:43] <foxbuntu> agreed
[21:48:46] <thomas> i think 1 for now, make it real good. Then modern for Hardy +1
[21:48:49] <Daviey> but a build script :)
[21:48:53] <foxbuntu> I have a branch for artwork already
[21:49:11] <foxbuntu> agreed
[21:49:30] <foxbuntu> we can make a sweet theme for Hardy and then look to the future for options beyond that
[21:49:39] <Daviey> Ah.. Is there a reason "team mythbuntu" doesn't own all the working branches?
[21:49:53] <malimonc> its all about who pushed them first
[21:49:59] <malimonc> it just needs to be overriden
[21:50:06] <malimonc> anyone in ~mythbuntu can modify those though
[21:50:26] <foxbuntu> so to be clear +1 keep moving then?
[21:50:47] <davemorris> next item
[21:50:56] <foxbuntu> ^^
[21:51:03] <Daviey> foxbuntu: Do we really have much of a choice? I mean, so much has been done that we cannot justify dropping them
[21:51:15] <thomas> i'd have to see how the ubuntu logo looks on it, but +1 here
[21:51:44] <foxbuntu> if you guys "hate" it then yes...but don't feel forced into it
[21:52:01] <foxbuntu> but if its tweaks then we will keep it going
[21:52:05] <malimonc> fox for the next meeting can you have the logo in place?
[21:52:11] <malimonc> and some applications
[21:52:12] <malimonc> of it
[21:52:20] <foxbuntu> I can try
[21:52:21] <malimonc> like showing how it would fit on the website or LP
[21:52:26] <malimonc> or on the ISO boot
[21:52:28] <Daviey> foxbuntu.. it looks polished.. i do like it.. But I also have reservations.. I quite like DaveMorris's ideas of a sleek and 50's
[21:52:31] <davemorris> well lets put it this way. The theme looks good for retro, but I'm a modern kinda guy over here in the UK
[21:53:01] <malimonc> fox: i mean have the "ubuntu" logo included
[21:53:07] <foxbuntu> ok...so as tgm put it...retro for Hardy and options in Hardy +1
[21:53:23] <thomas> foxbuntu, and add the ubuntu logo
[21:53:26] <foxbuntu> mario will do
[21:53:35] <Daviey> Well would it be too much work to also ship juski's?
[21:53:36] <malimonc> fox, i really think options should be available for hardy though.
[21:53:49] <Daviey> What concerns me.. it might be too radical for 'reviews'
[21:53:50] <malimonc> because not everyone is going to like this
[21:54:00] <foxbuntu> mario...we will have to see if we can get all the artwork done in that time
[21:54:05] <malimonc> i think during the installer perhaps
[21:54:09] <thomas> Daviey, i suggest we have test groups for that
[21:54:09] <malimonc> give an option for "retro"
[21:54:13] <malimonc> or for modern
[21:54:21] <Daviey> mario +1
[21:54:25] <Daviey> ^ at ubiquity
[21:54:28] <malimonc> exactly
[21:54:42] <malimonc> the only problem is what usplash do you use initially?
[21:54:49] <malimonc> and what logo do you put everywhere?
[21:54:50] <thomas> mario, have that in Hardy +1, for Hardy have Retro or original and ship juski's
[21:54:52] <foxbuntu> ok guys...we will nail all the artwork in for this retro theme and then move towards a modren polished kinda theme
[21:55:18] <malimonc> fox, when you guys sort out the GTK, make sure that it still fits well generally
[21:55:23] <malimonc> with using juski's
[21:55:50] <thomas> as this meeting is pushing an hour, i suggest we have an artwork meeting later on when we have some mockups with the suggested additions
[21:55:58] <malimonc> haha: 'retro or original'
[21:56:02] <malimonc> what's the diff!
[21:56:15] <malimonc> retro or standard
[21:56:15] <thomas> mario, well original being gutsy
[21:56:18] <malimonc> probably better wording
[21:56:21] <thomas> yea
[21:56:24] <thomas> better wording
[21:56:28] <Daviey> On another note... When juski offered his theme to us - He got quite upset with they was it was rejected by some members of the team
[21:57:00] <davemorris> NEXT TOPIC
[21:57:05] <malimonc> yeah if anything like that happens in the future, please hold any reservations until the person giving us free work is gone
[21:57:11] <thomas> Daviey, while I appreciate his work, I don't think he can expect everyone to like it
[21:57:21] <thomas> mario +1
[21:57:24] <malimonc> feel free to let the reservations out later.
[21:57:25] <davemorris> +1
[21:57:29] <Daviey> no.. but we didn't need to be quite so rude
[21:57:36] <malimonc> okay lets put off any remaining items for next meeting
[21:57:39] <malimonc> since we are at an hour
[21:57:42] <Daviey> wait 1
[21:57:43] <malimonc> and such
[21:57:48] <davemorris> NEXT TOPIC!!!!!
[21:57:48] <Daviey> What are the remaining items
[21:57:58] <Daviey> Whats left..
[21:58:00] <thomas> artwork meeting later?
[21:58:02] <Daviey> sure
[21:58:06] <malimonc> testing, merchandies, calendar, pr manager
[21:58:25] <malimonc> and approval of blueprints
[21:58:25] <davemorris> is it possible to setup auto testing of stuff to save us manually doing it?
[21:58:26] <thomas> so TESTING
[21:58:35] <Daviey> T-shirts.. me and DaveMorris have been talking about this
[21:58:51] <malimonc> do you guys want to discuss this stuff now, or can we just delay it?
[21:58:59] <foxbuntu> I will take on part of the testing on hardware as in a short few months I will have hardware laying around
[21:59:00] <Daviey> nothin urgent
[21:59:00] <thomas> now is fine for me
[21:59:02] <davemorris> don't mind
[21:59:19] <malimonc> well i need to be somewhere soon....
[21:59:22] <Daviey> Well i need to take the dog out for a wee in a moment
[21:59:25] <thomas> i'm sitting in my car, but am fine
[21:59:26] <malimonc> so i would prefer if we could delay it
[21:59:37] <thomas> it would take me about 25 minutes to drive home
[21:59:44] <malimonc> we hit a lot of topics though so i'm glad we got all this hammered out
[22:00:08] <foxbuntu> I will not be able to join another meeting until sometime...well Sat afternoon now
[22:00:14] <foxbuntu> I am tied up all night tonight
[22:00:16] <thomas> that would be tomarrow
[22:00:22] <thomas> foxbuntu, kinky
[22:00:27] <davemorris> lol
[22:00:28] <Daviey> ah wait!
[22:00:41] <foxbuntu> tgm....you should meet my wife ;)
[22:00:49] <Daviey> Mario is going to be waiving our flag at UDS..
[22:00:56] <davemorris> fobuntu, whats the address then?
[22:00:57] <Daviey> What is the plan?
[22:01:15] <thomas> mario, how much longer you have?
[22:01:30] <malimonc> here?
[22:01:35] <malimonc> or you mean in general until i die?
[22:01:36] <foxbuntu> artwork meeting TBD...I want to have troy involved in that
[22:01:37] <davemorris> br uds
[22:01:39] <thomas> lets briefly hit on the remaining topics
[22:01:42] <thomas> mario, both
[22:01:43] <thomas> :)
[22:02:14] <malimonc> ughm, okay fine let me run to the bathroom quickly, and call my friend and tell him i'll be a bit late
[22:02:21] <foxbuntu> I have one quick topic
[22:02:26] <thomas> real quick, go
[22:02:27] <Daviey> Pizza!
[22:02:55] <thomas> calendar team, Who?
[22:03:04] <thomas> real light workload
[22:03:16] <Daviey> thomas for president of cal team
[22:03:18] <thomas> just who adds and updates and invites events
[22:03:22] <thomas> ok
[22:03:23] <foxbuntu> With the upcoming business I am throwing together for this...how and what would you guys be comfortable with on the website for exspoure for my business?
[22:03:33] <thomas> I would also like a secondary in the UK or germany
[22:03:37] <thomas> for verifying times
[22:03:40] <thomas> since I suck with UTC
[22:03:58] <davemorris> why the fuck does google calander think I'm on GMT!
[22:04:01] <malimonc> fox i've got mixed feelings about that as we've discussed on pm
[22:04:04] <Daviey> thomas.. I'll dbl check stuff if you want
[22:04:11] <thomas> foxbuntu, I'd suggest a link/logo with the rest of the logos on there
[22:04:16] <thomas> Daviey, sound good
[22:04:22] <foxbuntu> mario I am just getting everyone else's view on it
[22:04:23] <thomas> check the nov 4th one
[22:04:42] <thomas> testing
[22:05:06] <Daviey> fox.. I'm unsure - I wish you the best of luck.. but i'm not sure it's fair for us to 'endorse' you
[22:05:09] <thomas> continue with alpha feedback
[22:05:19] <davemorris> re testing: I was wondering if it could be automatted?
[22:05:33] <Daviey> I mean.. I run a consultancy for SME's- mostly linux server stuff... can i put that on there?
[22:05:38] <thomas> Daviey thats all wrong. We can endorse him if he sends us test units :)
[22:05:49] <foxbuntu> daviey, well I will be giving back if traffic is driven to me
[22:05:49] <Daviey> hell yeah
[22:06:22] <thomas> can anyone answer davemorris question
[22:06:29] <Daviey> If thats the case.. we would need to endorse any company that provides us demo units (for keeps) :)
[22:06:44] <Daviey> DaveMorris.. what sort of testing?
[22:06:48] <thomas> Daviey, that brings me to suggesting a hardware team
[22:06:52] <foxbuntu> I.E. paying for things such as non-profit incoroporation down the road should that be a need, more hosting/mirroring if needed ect ect
[22:06:56] <Daviey> o/ I'll join
[22:06:59] <thomas> one that would contact a few companies for test hardwar
[22:07:08] <thomas> such as pcHDTV, HDHomerun, etc
[22:07:11] <davemorris> like installing the iso into virtual box via dogtail and then some shell scripts to make sure it's all installed correctly
[22:08:01] <Daviey> Davemorris - good idea... but would that save much time over doing it yourself?
[22:08:19] <davemorris> well if we could set it up for the daily builds
[22:08:20] <Daviey> I mean "Next.. Next.. Username, Password, Next, Next ,Next" Installed :)
[22:08:29] <davemorris> I've not used dogtail though, it's python
[22:08:32] <foxbuntu> did anyone catch that ^^
[22:08:54] <davemorris> but we can use it to test for regression bugs you see
[22:09:17] <Daviey> yeah.. thats true
[22:09:38] <davemorris> when ever a bug is fixed, we stick a test into make sure it doesn't appear again
[22:10:17] <thomas> sounds good to me
[22:10:37] <Daviey> agreed
[22:10:42] <thomas> ok
[22:10:45] <malimonc> well i've got my reservation here: its fine to have a business that is selling an open source product, but if we are going to be endorsing it on the website, we have to have a good reason to do so
[22:10:47] <thomas> next
[22:11:05] <thomas> mario +1
[22:11:17] <malimonc> because we are all putting in an awfully large amount of free time ourselves to it
[22:11:18] <thomas> thats why i suggested also having reviews of hardware
[22:11:26] <thomas> which is why we need test units
[22:11:34] <malimonc> that can work
[22:11:42] <foxbuntu> mario I figure if we "partner" we can make it a 2-way street
[22:11:44] <davemorris> +1 Although I'm happy for it to be blogged about and say that the 'company' is helping mythbuntu etc
[22:11:45] <thomas> oh wait, i just suggested that in my head :)
[22:11:49] <thomas> forgot to type it up
[22:12:11] <thomas> ok, merchandise?
[22:12:12] <malimonc> are you thinking partnering a foundation and corporation then?
[22:12:27] <Daviey> Yeah.. I'm happy for foxbuntu to say his company is helping the development
[22:12:51] <davemorris> if you blog it right and people search for buying mythbuntu you'll be at the top easy
[22:12:54] <foxbuntu> mario that or make them more a division of one or the other
[22:12:59] <davemorris> search for myhtbuntu and my blog is #10
[22:13:00] <malimonc> i can see that working a lot better if we become a foundation
[22:13:20] <foxbuntu> guys...put it this way
[22:13:21] <malimonc> and then you donate to the foundation etc
[22:13:21] <Daviey> erm.. I think we should keep money out of mythbuntu.
[22:13:42] <Daviey> and any money we do take.. needs to have a strong justification
[22:13:49] <Daviey> ie server space / bandwidth
[22:13:49] <davemorris> it's alot easier without money involved
[22:13:52] <thomas> no bounties
[22:14:14] <foxbuntu> if the webite helps generate revenue for my business my business will give back to the community it came from to help with things that require money
[22:14:19] <davemorris> no need for accountants, balance/profit sheets etc
[22:14:26] <Daviey> if somebody sets a bounty to an individual developer... thats not our concern.. providing code is gpl'd :)
[22:14:32] <Daviey> but not bounty to mythbuntu core
[22:14:34] <thomas> right
[22:14:43] <thomas> but we dont' need that on the website really
[22:14:55] <malimonc> well so how about this then: donations only in the form of bandwidth and hardware?
[22:15:05] <Daviey> atm yes
[22:15:26] <thomas> mario, yes, with the note that donating hardware doesn't guarentee a good review
[22:15:40] <Daviey> Now.... we could look into a download page that says "$location (provided by Jackass Hosting Inc)"
[22:15:47] <foxbuntu> mario is that is going to work (and in the near future it could) then we have to talk about making the team a foundation, because I can't donant to thin air
[22:15:58] <davemorris> Merchedise - here me and Daivey where thinking of getting some t-shirts done up with the logo and mythbuntu name on it, it prob wouldn't make sense to ship them to the US though. We where thinking of having them for the dev teams as such
[22:16:05] <thomas> no, but you can donate to me :)
[22:16:06] <malimonc> fox do you have an eta on when you are doing this business thing?
[22:16:20] <malimonc> davemorris, i really like that idea
[22:16:27] <Daviey> DaveMorris.. we can have them ready for next UDS.. and taken them with us :)
[22:16:31] <foxbuntu> it should be a legal enitiy end of this month
[22:16:32] <thomas> davemorris, sounds good
[22:16:44] <malimonc> case badges would be cool too
[22:16:44] <foxbuntu> and I hope to build my Demo machine in Dec
[22:16:50] <thomas> business cards?
[22:16:53] <malimonc> but if the logo is going to be changing, probably not a good idea eyt
[22:17:00] <malimonc> yeah i'd like to do business cards too
[22:17:00] <Daviey> Mario, not sure how successfull juski's case badges were
[22:17:03] <davemorris> you going to UDS then Daviey?
[22:17:05] <Daviey> I did purchase 3 actually
[22:17:09] <thomas> agreed, no merchandise until after the artwork meeting
[22:17:13] <Daviey> davemorris, next uds for sure
[22:17:18] <malimonc> yay :)
[22:17:23] <malimonc> hopefully i get invited to that one too :)
[22:17:48] <thomas> who started this document?
[22:17:51] <foxbuntu> mario - to answer your question, I hope to have the website live mid Jan
[22:17:53] <malimonc> me
[22:17:57] <malimonc> why tgm?
[22:18:01] <thomas> can you post the log somewhere
[22:18:07] <thomas> in case we need to refer back?
[22:18:14] <davemorris> foxbuntu, dontations for traveling people to UDS would prob be easier than setting up a foundation
[22:18:17] <malimonc> am i the only one who gets the log made?
[22:18:35] <thomas> well if i log out and back in i think it disappears
[22:18:37] <thomas> let me check
[22:18:37] <Daviey> no
[22:18:46] thomas has left
[22:18:55] <Daviey> server logs every 60secs.. but anybody can "Save Document" to local hd
[22:19:07] <Daviey> thomas.. no server persistent
[22:19:09] <malimonc> does that save the log though?
[22:19:14] <Daviey> yeah..
[22:19:16] <malimonc> or just the doc...
[22:19:23] thomas has joined
[22:19:25] <Daviey> it's in /srv/mythbuntu.org/gobby
[22:19:28] <foxbuntu> guys as much as I would love to write out checks from the business for random things to random people, in-order for my accountant to not kill me, I have to donanate it to something like a foundation
[22:19:29] <malimonc> i see
[22:19:49] <malimonc> tgm?
[22:19:51] <malimonc> log there?
[22:19:55] <thomas> nope
[22:19:58] <thomas> wait
[22:20:00] <thomas> where
[22:20:02] <Daviey> Shall we leave funding / sponsership to next meeting?
[22:20:04] <thomas> its not in here
[22:20:08] <thomas> Daviey +1
[22:20:09] <malimonc> yeah lets leave it for next meeting
[22:20:10] <malimonc> +2
[22:20:11] <foxbuntu> +1
[22:20:16] <foxbuntu> +43
[22:20:21] <Daviey> It's been 3.5 hrs since i started mythbuntu related chat
[22:20:23] <malimonc> no, i get +2 because i'm me
[22:20:26] <malimonc> egads
[22:20:31] <malimonc> this is has been a long afternoon
[22:20:33] <thomas> last
[22:20:35] <davemorris> we finshed?
[22:20:36] <malimonc> okay we done ?
[22:20:38] <Daviey> YES
[22:20:38] <malimonc> i say so
[22:20:39] <thomas> pr manager
[22:20:42] <malimonc> next time
[22:20:45] <Daviey> END MEETING
[22:20:46] <thomas> last topic
[22:20:48] <Daviey> Thanks for comming