Conversation with Josh Whitney on Thu 25 Oct 2007 08:36:48 PM EDT:
(07:36:48 PM) Josh Whitney:
let me know if i forgot anything in the room. tell justin i wont be ready to be moved out until after tomorrow afternoon. thank you.
(07:36:48 PM) You <AUTO-REPLY>:
I'm not here right now
(08:27:23 PM) You:
howdy sorry i was in class when you sent me a message
(08:29:08 PM) You:
actually yes, you forgot to grab your yogurt which has now made the room smell like cheese. You've also not cleaned up the trash from the floor that you left. You also haven't gotten up the pepsi from weeks ago when you spilled on courtney's laptop.
(08:29:57 PM) You:
please take care of this, i don't know if the staff will charge you or not if they have to do it....that's how it's been done at other dorms I've stayed at.
(08:30:44 PM) You:
(pepsi on the floor. it got sticky and dirty and stuff)
(08:30:56 PM) Josh Whitney:
ahh i see. ill swing by tomorrow morning and throw out the yogurt. i think some of my things went missing today so ill need to look for them too.
(08:31:21 PM) You:
that's fine. and what about the floor?
(08:31:28 PM) Josh Whitney:
if i have time before class
(08:31:38 PM) Josh Whitney:
i have a busy day tomorrow
(08:32:33 PM) You:
you can't leave a mess when you move out of a place. it's just not done. look, i'm not sure how you can get off playing a victim or something. I'm not really sure why you're angry. But be respectful. You're an adult. Please clean up your mess.
(08:32:55 PM) You:
I shouldn't have to do it for you.
(08:33:21 PM) Josh Whitney:
right. im telling you time is needed, just like you need time to repay me.
(08:33:46 PM) You:
Repay you what? I gave you written notice that your connection fee was not a security deposit. Where _are_ you in your head?
(08:34:08 PM) Josh Whitney:
did i sign an agreement today? no
(08:34:22 PM) You:
You don't have to. It wan't a security deposit.
(08:34:29 PM) You:
I can prove that.
(08:34:30 PM) You:
lol
(08:34:40 PM) Josh Whitney:
ok but you told me you would repay me the money
(08:34:45 PM) Josh Whitney:
in a verbal agreement
(08:35:09 PM) You:
Don't play like this. You'll just get pissed off and won't get anything out of it. I changed my mind after you left. Had I payed you it would have been a gift. I've already told you that.
(08:35:31 PM) You:
Verbal agreements apply to things owed. You were owed nothing.
(08:35:45 PM) You:
Thank you for getting your fridge, though.
(08:35:52 PM) Josh Whitney:
and you preach integrity. practice your own gospel
(08:36:07 PM) You:
Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is looking. I've done nothing wrong.
(08:36:16 PM) Josh Whitney:
you are right now
(08:36:23 PM) You:
What are you deprived of that is owed to you?
(08:36:36 PM) Josh Whitney:
30$ for a service that i cant use
(08:36:56 PM) You:
You can. You chose not to. I suspended you. Suspension is not cancelation.
(08:36:58 PM) Josh Whitney:
25$ would be fair for the one month that i did use it
(08:37:27 PM) Josh Whitney:
a reasonable rounding down
(08:38:35 PM) You:
I think you're viewing this as me having cut you off completely. I suspended your internet for two days. That doesn't entitle you to your connection fee back if you decide not to reconnect. I don't think you're misunderstanding things. You don't read, man.
(08:38:51 PM) You:
A connection fee is to initiate service.
(08:39:02 PM) Josh Whitney:
it was also a hardware fee
(08:39:10 PM) Josh Whitney:
which i cannot use now
(08:39:22 PM) You:
because you backed out.
(08:39:28 PM) Josh Whitney:
so unless you want to pay me i am entitled to half of the hardware
(08:39:41 PM) You:
lol i dont think so.
(08:39:52 PM) You:
you haven't....thought this out...have you?
(08:40:08 PM) Josh Whitney:
to be honest you caught me in the middle of cleaning my room
(08:40:21 PM) Josh Whitney:
i dont sit around and think these things up like you
(08:40:48 PM) You:
"think these things up"? no, I just pay attention and read things when I see them. It's like linux.
(08:41:03 PM) You:
and you Immed ME. wtf lol
(08:41:15 PM) Josh Whitney:
i asked a question
(08:41:35 PM) Josh Whitney:
then you escalated from there with your reply
(08:41:57 PM) Josh Whitney:
or rather after i gave my time frame
(08:42:38 PM) Josh Whitney:
this has all turned into a pissing contest
(08:42:45 PM) Josh Whitney:
lmai
(08:42:47 PM) You:
well, im not really sure where you get off thinking that a) you're entitled to any connection fee refund at all, ever for not repaying your half of the bill (effectively cancelling your internet connection prematurely and without paying a prorated bill) b) morally in the right for not cleaning up your mess when moving
(08:42:49 PM) Josh Whitney:
lmao*
(08:43:12 PM) You:
for you it has. I'm calm, here. Im just not going to get bogarted around. Own up, man.
(08:43:19 PM) Josh Whitney:
what part of the bill didnt i pay. we didnt get one yet
(08:43:30 PM) Josh Whitney:
likewise. own up.
(08:43:33 PM) You:
we will. and you used some of the service I'll be paying for.
(08:43:39 PM) You:
rather "I" will
(08:43:50 PM) You:
i won't be asking for that.
(08:44:01 PM) You:
i also won't be asking for storage for the fridge.
(08:44:03 PM) Josh Whitney:
that is your choice, but know i offer to pay for my time
(08:44:15 PM) Josh Whitney:
that was an accidental oversight
(08:45:02 PM) You:
It....really doesn't matter. Is *is*, even it was an accident. I don't blame ya, and notice I'm not asking for anything. All I want is you to clean up your mess if this is the result of your little tantrum.
(08:45:30 PM) Josh Whitney:
tantrum. i think not. i am only doing what i think is best for the both of us.
(08:46:13 PM) You:
that's fair. I could believe that if you weren't so god damned volatile about the whole thing. Trying to play money games and what-not.
(08:46:44 PM) You:
If you'd have said "hey, im hurting, i need like 100 bucks" i'd have had my dad send me some cash for you.
(08:47:04 PM) Josh Whitney:
i just want what is rightfully mine. that is all.
(08:47:23 PM) You:
If you can convince me civilly and rationally that you're entitled to money, I'll pay you.
(08:47:28 PM) Josh Whitney:
if you had say a cd of mine, it would be no different
(08:48:27 PM) Josh Whitney:
something i let you use in a joint effort, under the impression that i would be using it as well. i am not using the internet nor will i be able to in the future
(08:48:49 PM) You:
you will not be able to because you decided to pull out
(08:49:10 PM) Josh Whitney:
i decided to based on the change in living situation. not becuase i didnt want to anymore
(08:49:36 PM) Josh Whitney:
had i been staying in the room i would have refunded the $15 after the 2 day suspension
(08:50:12 PM) You:
ok, that's great. but *you* still made that decision. That doesn't obsolve you from personal accountability.
(08:50:14 PM) Josh Whitney:
i decided it would be easier to do that then to request you to either wirelessly or through a cable provide me with a connection
(08:50:30 PM) Josh Whitney:
would you rather do that?
(08:50:37 PM) Josh Whitney:
your choice
(08:51:08 PM) You:
if you came to me tomorrow with the money i would let you reestablish your connection, yes.
(08:51:22 PM) You:
because it's been two days, and you've respected my wishes on the matter.
(08:51:34 PM) Josh Whitney:
but would you provide me with a means to connect because you are the provider?
(08:52:12 PM) You:
absolutely. in 15 minute spurts to avoid overuse of services.
(08:52:34 PM) Josh Whitney:
that is a pathetic answer. you who loves 24 hour uptime
(08:52:53 PM) Josh Whitney:
that is not the service that i agreed to
(08:53:00 PM) Josh Whitney:
nor paid for
(08:53:01 PM) You:
well, to be honest, you've been a pain in my ass. if everything were cool again, then my answer would be "yes, absolutely"
(08:53:24 PM) You:
but i doubt you can do that. so no. i'd make it difficult.
(08:53:41 PM) Josh Whitney:
fair enough. i will be choosing the refund then.
(08:54:07 PM) Josh Whitney:
i just needed to hear your intentions
(08:54:08 PM) You:
lol what? why would you get a refund? I paid you your half of this month's bill that you haven't even paid yet.
(08:54:27 PM) Josh Whitney:
why would you do that?
(08:54:37 PM) You:
because i wanted to put responsibility in your hands.
(08:55:04 PM) You:
as for your connection fee, buddy, you're just wrong. you got connected. you paid the fee to be connected. you ended the connection. it is a loss you chose. you did not have to.
(08:55:25 PM) You:
this is consequence. and owning up to it and taking care of it is responsibility.
(08:55:31 PM) Josh Whitney:
it dosnt say in the letter that is what the 15$ is for
(08:55:38 PM) Josh Whitney:
and i paid for hardware too, not just a connection
(08:55:48 PM) You:
what hardware are you talking about, anyway?
(08:55:51 PM) You:
the cable modem?
(08:55:55 PM) Josh Whitney:
modem, cables, etc
(08:56:13 PM) You:
the modem isn't owned by me, it's owned by time warner. you paid for a connection fee. ill see if i can find the bill.
(08:56:54 PM) You:
you're just picking away at this man. I'm serious. look at yourself. you're like a kid lately.
(08:57:16 PM) You:
im not being mean-- i mean that. i have so much more respect for you than to see you act like this.
(08:57:16 PM) Josh Whitney:
im only trying to get what is mine
(08:57:52 PM) You:
in that case you have a bucket of yogurt and some trash on the floor. if it isn't cleaned up I'll have staff do it, and they'll probably bill you a couple hundred bucks for it. please do this tomorrow.
(08:58:10 PM) Josh Whitney:
i told you when i can do it.
(08:58:18 PM) Josh Whitney:
i cant make that time tomorrow.
(08:58:30 PM) You:
you need to get it done before you're moved out officially.
(08:58:35 PM) Josh Whitney:
just like you said you would repay me in 30 days.
(08:58:38 PM) You:
i really don't want to do that to you.
(08:58:57 PM) Josh Whitney:
im not officially moved out yet you dont need to worry
(08:59:31 PM) Josh Whitney:
but i have other things i need to do now. see you tomorrow morning.
(09:00:23 PM) You:
can you make this a priority? i wouldn't want anyone to think you're intentionally drawing it out or being difficult to be spiteful.
(09:00:40 PM) Josh Whitney:
oh no blackmail possibly?
(09:00:43 PM) You:
a room mate that wants to get away from someone usually does it in an hour.
(09:01:04 PM) You:
no, im reminding you that your actions have consequences. I'm seeing through this, you know.
(09:01:33 PM) You:
I really think administrative intervention is necessary. I'm logging this conversation-- and all others afterwards.
(09:01:36 PM) Josh Whitney:
oh i see. they do have consequences yes. but i have a schedule and priorities i need to see to first.
(09:01:45 PM) Josh Whitney:
i already have buddy
(09:01:58 PM) Josh Whitney:
;]
(09:02:06 PM) Josh Whitney:
just to be safe
(09:02:12 PM) You:
I will be talking to Dean Swett tomorrow to expedite your removal. Please be done with the floor and your trash before then.
(09:02:33 PM) You:
End of conversation.
(09:02:36 PM) Josh Whitney:
if i have time before class certainly
(09:02:41 PM) Josh Whitney:
night
(09:02:53 PM) You:
(then show up early)
(09:03:06 PM) Josh Whitney:
kma
(09:03:31 PM) You:
kma?
(09:03:39 PM) Josh Whitney:
sorry?
(09:03:46 PM) You:
what does "kma" mean?
(09:03:54 PM) Josh Whitney:
oh i dont know
(09:03:57 PM) Josh Whitney:
didnt see it there
(09:04:07 PM) You:
interesting. what time are you coming by tomorrow?
(09:04:16 PM) Josh Whitney:
when i get there. depends on traffic
(09:04:26 PM) You:
can you give me a rough estimate?
(09:04:31 PM) You:
4,5,6,7,8?
(09:04:38 PM) Josh Whitney:
construction and such. ill do my best
(09:04:42 PM) Josh Whitney:
thats all i can offer
(09:04:57 PM) Josh Whitney:
i expect your best as well.
(09:05:08 PM) You:
what do you mean?
(09:05:30 PM) Josh Whitney:
cooperation. maybe enlightenment about the things i cant seem to find from the dorm.
(09:06:04 PM) You:
uhm....that's weird.. I was at class from 6-9, and your dad helped you move out. what's missing, ill look for it?
(09:06:44 PM) Josh Whitney:
ill let you know tomorrow. i didnt realize they were missing until they got home so it could have happened at any point during the day.
(09:06:56 PM) Josh Whitney:
i want to make sure i have a complete list. you know how it is
(09:06:57 PM) You:
oh. missing things that you can't mention?
(09:07:04 PM) You:
can you give me an example of an item?
(09:07:18 PM) Josh Whitney:
tomorrow morning i most certainly will.
(09:07:26 PM) You:
lol cute. you're so full of shit. but ok.
(09:07:45 PM) You:
make sure you have a staff member with you when you come up.
(09:07:50 PM) Josh Whitney:
i already have the list made. i dont want to tell and then have something possibly happen to them in the event they turn up.
(09:08:08 PM) Josh Whitney:
thats all
(09:08:10 PM) You:
Right. Because my integrity is questionable.
(09:08:15 PM) Josh Whitney:
i didnt say that
(09:08:20 PM) You:
that's fine. please have the RD with you.
(09:08:39 PM) Josh Whitney:
its still my room remember. i can come and go as i need
(09:08:45 PM) Josh Whitney:
if i see him though ill have him come
(09:08:57 PM) Josh Whitney:
sorry, our room
(09:09:31 PM) You:
I shouldn't have to deal with this. I graduated high school 4 years ago. I am advising you not to enter this room without a staff member.
(09:09:49 PM) Josh Whitney:
ill take your advise into consideration.
(09:10:03 PM) You:
Thank you, good night. get some sleep or something. jesus.
(09:10:22 PM) Josh Whitney:
you too. jehova.
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