(21:20:13) <@{Matteo}> okay so i wanted you guys here because i keep seeing things said but nothing done in relation to team recoil.
(21:20:37) <@{Matteo}> complaints are made but has anyone actually said something to those members in TR?
(21:21:45) <@{Christina}> well erica has said it will be taken care of at end of month due to the membership thing, but now they seem to be coming to events
(21:21:56) <@{Christina}> i mean event requirement
(21:23:07) <@{Matteo}> hmm
(21:23:21) <@{Christina}> i send reminders to everyone by pm if i see them on, specially about meetings, if i have a chance
(21:23:39) <@{Christina}> letter just logged on me during Saturdays
(21:24:22) <@{Terra}> probably just turned private off
(21:24:42) <@{Christina}> well then he did end up coming
(21:25:23) <@{Terra}> Ok
(21:25:33) <@{Christina}> frankly i dont really want any of them in cv anymore, revs was really nice and active before but is too busy with tr now, letter is nice but cv isnt his top priority either
(21:26:06) <@{Christina}> drewthema i think would be a good member if we had more uk events but he is also friends with letter and in tr
(21:26:28) <@{Matteo}> i'm just worried that people are going to get kicked from the clan with no warning
(21:26:49) <@{Terra}> It used to happen all the time
(21:27:21) <@{Christina}> they know about the event requirement
(21:27:38) <@{Christina}> Letter just seems to quit then rejoin
(21:28:07) <@{Terra}> When I first joined people were getting booted just for like making fun of someone after they were asked to stop, not sure what happened to that. (didn't have an events requirement then)
(21:33:19) <@punk_r0x3r> so i said i realise they know that there are event requirements but have they been notified that they need to think about their priorities with respect to the clan.
(21:34:02) <@{Christina}> i havent
(21:34:10) <@{Terra}> Me neither
(21:34:28) <@punk_r0x3r> thats my concern
(21:34:28) <@{Terra}> No one tells me anything, I didn't even know what team recoil was until like 2 weeks ago
(21:34:59) <@{Christina}> idk about erica or anyone else, but im tired of people behaving like children the event time thing is really pissing me off, look at the calendar
(21:35:10) <@{Christina}> instead they admit they dont go on site
(21:35:30) <@{Terra}> The "what time is event?" thing?
(21:35:55) <@punk_r0x3r> i always tell them to look on the calendar.
(21:35:59) <@{Christina}> the other day we were constantly being asked how long til event
(21:36:13) <@punk_r0x3r> and if they 'lag when trying to get on the site' i refer them to nutulkit
(21:36:22) <@{Terra}> Lol...
(21:36:23) <@punk_r0x3r> (limey)
(21:36:36) <@punk_r0x3r> it has a damn built in simple calendar that loads on sign in.
(21:36:52) <@{Terra}> If you lag while trying to get on the site, you'd lag while trying to get on runescape, so I don't think I believe that.
(21:37:11) <@{Terra}> IRC lags more than both
(21:37:25) <@{Christina}> actually i think what his problem is is that he opens too many pages which white screens rs and that is why he keeps dying
(21:37:32) <@{Terra}> Trust me, I'm the expert at lagging. lots of practice.
(21:37:59) <@{Terra}> I have a bunch of pics on my old computer of weird graphical glitches caused by lag
(21:38:02) <@{Terra}> XD
(21:38:43) <@{Terra}> Like running across the black space under monkey bars instead of climbing across, failing a log across water and walking on water
(21:39:05) <@{Terra}> That was one of my avatar's on a clan site for a while >_>
(21:39:09) <@{Terra}> me walking on water
(21:39:11) <@{Terra}> =P
(21:39:33) <@{Christina}> Im just tired of having to take their hand to get them to events, remind them of what is proper and all that shit
(21:39:53) <@{Terra}> I'm tired of a lot of things
(21:41:49) <@{Christina}> and then anime coming in and saying that crap tonight
(21:42:36) <@{Terra}> I liked it better when immature people were booted within like a week, rather than having people be expected to ignore them while the other person is questioning/attacking their intelligence, sexuality, etc.
(21:42:58) <@{Terra}> I'm going to TRY to argue less
(21:44:18) <@{Terra}> If I start like a private chat window and they start copy/pasting the argument or whatever I dunno what to do, since kbing people that aren't uh... I don't even know what we can kb people for anymore without it being abuse of power.
(21:44:20) <@punk_r0x3r> yeah i've been getting annoyed with some of the recent arguments
(21:44:42) <@{Christina}> I agree with you about your being a target i just dont want them in irc
(21:45:02) <@{Terra}> I don't want them at all
(21:45:33) <@punk_r0x3r> abuse of power is up to your peers, e.g. me, christina, teresa, jake..
(21:45:42) <@{Terra}> Yeah well
(21:45:43) <@punk_r0x3r> as far as i am concerned.
(21:46:01) <@punk_r0x3r> if you feel someone needs to take a break from the channel feel free to remove them.
(21:46:36) <@{Terra}> That one night I was informed it would have been abuse of power to kick vul. With some of what he said in that nice one sided flame war I could have probably pressed charges in a real life court
(21:46:50) <@{Terra}> And won
(21:46:50) <@{Christina}> and if they copy paste into the cv channel then i agree to any kbing. isnt there a timer that we can use?
(21:47:24) <@{Terra}> Which is why he's blocked on my MSN list, and on my ignore list in game
(21:47:45) <@punk_r0x3r> who said it would have been an abuse of power?
(21:47:49) <@{Terra}> Star
(21:48:12) <@punk_r0x3r> sorry but if someone is attacking you, kick them.
(21:48:27) <@{Terra}> That was my thought as well
(21:49:03) <@punk_r0x3r> and yes christina, i have a tb script.
(21:49:11) <@punk_r0x3r> temp ban
(21:49:18) <@punk_r0x3r> ~tb
(21:49:31) <@punk_r0x3r> [21:48] -CVBot- Temp Ban Format ~tb <seconds> <banned nick> <hostname>
(21:49:42) <@punk_r0x3r> its a bit complicated right now :-\
(21:50:15) <@{Terra}> When I first joined, if what had happened recently happened back then, vul would have definitely been banned from the clan, not just irc, and Limey, Jake, and myself may have been as well after today.
(21:50:32) <@{Terra}> So it's a little different now...
(21:51:19) <@{Terra}> I remember sitting in the cbox before I joined, and someone started making threats, and all of a sudden just stopped
(21:51:55) <@{Christina}> i think the people in the clan are generally good it is just that some butt heads alot (kinda worried about vul and range with that)
(21:51:57) <@{Terra}> And then someone just said "banned" and viola they were banned
(21:52:33) <@punk_r0x3r> yeah... unfortunately things change.
(21:52:59) <@punk_r0x3r> but i keep seeing erica saying "enforce the irc rules". so do as she says and enforce them.
(21:53:16) <@{Terra}> My problem is I don't back down unless they prove me wrong, and I don't let them change the argument to prove something I never argued for in the first place, and they don't like that.
(21:53:21) <@{Terra}> >_<
(21:53:39) <@{Terra}> Which isn't really a problem except the people who argue with me argue like people in the rants forums
(21:54:21) <@{Terra}> Who will quote a shakespearean sonnet about apples to prove that the sky is purple
(21:54:44) <@{Terra}> Or to prove that cheese is harder than steel
(21:55:01) <@{Terra}> Or some other ridiculous thing that no one in their right mind would believe
(21:55:50) <@{Terra}> "I dunno, stale cheese is pretty hard"
(21:57:30) <@{Terra}> And then after being proven wrong like 40 times without proving themselves right, they "compromise" by offering a more extreme version of their argument.
(21:39:33) <@{Christina}> Im just tired of having to take their hand to get them to events, remind them of what is proper and all that shit
(21:39:53) <@{Terra}> I'm tired of a lot of things
(21:41:49) <@{Christina}> and then anime coming in and saying that crap tonight
(21:42:36) <@{Terra}> I liked it better when immature people were booted within like a week, rather than having people be expected to ignore them while the other person is questioning/attacking their intelligence, sexuality, etc.
(21:42:58) <@{Terra}> I'm going to TRY to argue less
(21:44:18) <@{Terra}> If I start like a private chat window and they start copy/pasting the argument or whatever I dunno what to do, since kbing people that aren't uh... I don't even know what we can kb people for anymore without it being abuse of power.
(21:44:20) <@punk_r0x3r> yeah i've been getting annoyed with some of the recent arguments
(21:44:42) <@{Christina}> I agree with you about your being a target i just dont want them in irc
(21:45:02) <@{Terra}> I don't want them at all
(21:45:33) <@punk_r0x3r> abuse of power is up to your peers, e.g. me, christina, teresa, jake..
(21:45:42) <@{Terra}> Yeah well
(21:45:43) <@punk_r0x3r> as far as i am concerned.
(21:46:01) <@punk_r0x3r> if you feel someone needs to take a break from the channel feel free to remove them.
(21:46:36) <@{Terra}> That one night I was informed it would have been abuse of power to kick vul. With some of what he said in that nice one sided flame war I could have probably pressed charges in a real life court
(21:46:50) <@{Terra}> And won
(21:46:50) <@{Christina}> and if they copy paste into the cv channel then i agree to any kbing. isnt there a timer that we can use?
(21:47:24) <@{Terra}> Which is why he's blocked on my MSN list, and on my ignore list in game
(21:47:45) <@punk_r0x3r> who said it would have been an abuse of power?
(21:47:49) <@{Terra}> Star
(21:48:12) <@punk_r0x3r> sorry but if someone is attacking you, kick them.
(21:48:27) <@{Terra}> That was my thought as well
(21:49:03) <@punk_r0x3r> and yes christina, i have a tb script.
(21:49:11) <@punk_r0x3r> temp ban
(21:49:18) <@punk_r0x3r> ~tb
(21:49:31) <@punk_r0x3r> [21:48] -CVBot- Temp Ban Format ~tb <seconds> <banned nick> <hostname>
(21:49:42) <@punk_r0x3r> its a bit complicated right now :-\
(21:50:15) <@{Terra}> When I first joined, if what had happened recently happened back then, vul would have definitely been banned from the clan, not just irc, and Limey, Jake, and myself may have been as well after today.
(21:50:32) <@{Terra}> So it's a little different now...
(21:51:19) <@{Terra}> I remember sitting in the cbox before I joined, and someone started making threats, and all of a sudden just stopped
(21:51:55) <@{Christina}> i think the people in the clan are generally good it is just that some butt heads alot (kinda worried about vul and range with that)
(21:51:57) <@{Terra}> And then someone just said "banned" and viola they were banned
(21:52:33) <@punk_r0x3r> yeah... unfortunately things change.
(21:52:59) <@punk_r0x3r> but i keep seeing erica saying "enforce the irc rules". so do as she says and enforce them.
(21:53:16) <@{Terra}> My problem is I don't back down unless they prove me wrong, and I don't let them change the argument to prove something I never argued for in the first place, and they don't like that.
(21:53:21) <@{Terra}> >_<
(21:53:39) <@{Terra}> Which isn't really a problem except the people who argue with me argue like people in the rants forums
(21:54:21) <@{Terra}> Who will quote a shakespearean sonnet about apples to prove that the sky is purple
(21:54:44) <@{Terra}> Or to prove that cheese is harder than steel
(21:55:01) <@{Terra}> Or some other ridiculous thing that no one in their right mind would believe
(21:55:50) <@{Terra}> "I dunno, stale cheese is pretty hard"
(21:57:30) <@{Terra}> And then after being proven wrong like 40 times without proving themselves right, they "compromise" by offering a more extreme version of their argument.
(21:58:08) <@{Terra}> "let's compromise and say that cheese AND peanut butter are both harder than diamonds"
(21:58:33) <@punk_r0x3r> but there isn't just one side to this. you talk down to people a lot of times which makes them feel the need to be defensive.
(21:58:50) <@{Terra}> When? o.O
(21:59:45) <@punk_r0x3r> i see it all the time, terra :-\
(21:59:58) <@{Terra}> When?...
(22:00:11) <@{Terra}> I can't fix it if I don't know what you're talking about
(22:00:52) <@{Christina}> you do really it is kinda like about the harry potter thing last night that everyone but you took as an insult toward vul
(22:01:08) <@punk_r0x3r> ^^
(22:02:14) <@{Christina}> I dont know if it would really be something i would want you to get rid of because i love your quick wit and sarcasm but some of the things you say do sound harsh
(22:02:25) <@{Terra}> Well
(22:02:33) <@punk_r0x3r> really i don't want it to seem like we're ganging up on you. but it is something you do. just like vul and his vulgarity... ironic enough.
(22:02:42) <@{Terra}> With vul I'm probably going to be a little harsh
(22:02:49) <@{Terra}> btw
(22:03:28) <@{Terra}> does anyone talk to him to set a better example, cuz last I checked he still has full qc powers except for op in irc, which brett never had either.
(22:03:38) <@punk_r0x3r> i don't blame you X-D put the ass in his place. but at the same time, not in the clan chat.
(22:03:44) <@{Terra}> Well
(22:03:54) <@{Terra}> I can't do it elsewhere cuz I blocked him everywhere else
(22:03:57) <@{Terra}> =P
(22:05:15) <@{Terra}> I'm just kinda questioning why he still has qc powers without any of the responsibility.
(22:05:50) <@{Terra}> Or did they change the honored member thing?
(22:05:58) <@{Christina}> i have talked to him on occasion when he has gotten out of line, but i am friends with him also
(22:06:15) <@{Christina}> i think that is kinda what erica was ?ing today
(22:06:30) <@punk_r0x3r> don't ask me. i tend not to take responsibility for the forums.
(22:07:26) <@{Christina}> i think what we need is a full qc meeting with everyone present so that things will get resolved
(22:07:38) <@{Terra}> I personally think the honored member group has too much power with too little responsibility
(22:08:02) <@{Terra}> Vul's the only one in that group who's really active at all