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[05:16] <felixhummel> hi!
[05:16] <felixhummel> me = dfm
[05:16] <felixhummel> had to identify and registered with real name...
[05:17] <Tyroth> as did I
[05:17] <Tyroth> you there?
[05:17] <felixhummel> ye
[05:18] <felixhummel> let's forget icq/aim and use irc
[05:18] <Tyroth> I haven't used ICQ in years
[05:18] <felixhummel> er...
[05:18] <Tyroth> I wonder if my ICQ # is still good
[05:18] <felixhummel> to contact u i need inet and a console irc client
[05:19] <Tyroth> I still remember it
[05:19] <Tyroth> use irssi
[05:19] <felixhummel> hey! who could forget. ;)
[05:19] <Tyroth> 62769880
[05:19] <Tyroth> thats my ICQ #
[05:19] <felixhummel> that would be "pacman -sY irssi"?
[05:19] <Tyroth> haven't used it since like 1999
[05:19] <Tyroth> no
[05:19] <Tyroth> pacman -Sy irssi
[05:19] <felixhummel> oops
[05:19] <felixhummel> hehe
[05:20] <Tyroth> pastebin.ca/746287
[05:20] <felixhummel> almost
[05:20] <Tyroth> pacman -S is th first part needed to download packages
[05:20] <felixhummel> so first one updates package list!?
[05:20] <Tyroth> y argument updates your local database
[05:20] <Tyroth> no
[05:20] <felixhummel> 2nd alsa
[05:20] <felixhummel> 3rd xorg and drivers
[05:20] <Tyroth> oh
[05:20] <Tyroth> pacman -Syu
[05:21] <felixhummel> yes
[05:21] <felixhummel> yes?
[05:21] <Tyroth> that updates your system if anything is out of date
[05:21] <Tyroth> but i always use FTP installs
[05:21] <Tyroth> when I used to use arch
[05:21] <felixhummel> like apt-get update
[05:21] <felixhummel> just shorter ;)
[05:21] <felixhummel> ok then
[05:21] <felixhummel> i need the ftp-iso
[05:21] <Tyroth> it saves you the hastle of setting up internet later
[05:21] <Tyroth> if you use DHCP
[05:22] <felixhummel> sure i do
[05:22] <Tyroth> what kernel driver does your ethernet use?
[05:22] <felixhummel> sec
[05:22] <Tyroth> mine uses forcedeth
[05:22] <Tyroth> my kernels been stripped down
[05:22] <Tyroth> so its only 1,333 KB image on my /boot partition
[05:23] <felixhummel> are you telling me your kernel is < 2KBytes?
[05:23] <Tyroth> no
[05:23] <Tyroth> 1.3 MBs
[05:23] <felixhummel> :)
[05:23] <felixhummel> too good to be true ;)
[05:23] <Tyroth> it is true though
[05:23] <felixhummel> where do i look this up?
[05:24] <Tyroth> look what up?
[05:24] <Tyroth> the driver you use?
[05:24] <felixhummel> the kernel mod of my ethernet card
[05:24] <felixhummel> ye
[05:24] <Tyroth> I found it out by cross-referencing modules
[05:24] <Tyroth> with lsmod
[05:24] <Tyroth> all my drivers are built into my kernel
[05:25] <Tyroth> except nvidia/madwifi
[05:25] <felixhummel> via_rhine
[05:25] <Tyroth> ah
[05:25] <felixhummel> i presume
[05:25] <Tyroth> the rhine
[05:25] <Tyroth> ethernet
[05:25] <felixhummel> :)
[05:25] <Tyroth> arch should auto-detect all your relevant hardware
[05:25] <felixhummel> sounds good
[05:25] <felixhummel> er...
[05:25] <Tyroth> hey, it autodetected my rhine-III card when i still used it
[05:26] <felixhummel> ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/distributions/archlinux/
[05:26] <Tyroth> do you ever rip your own audio CDs?
[05:26] <felixhummel> seldomly...
[05:27] <Tyroth> if you ever encode audio, at high bitrates, i'd suggest using musepack :)
[05:27] <felixhummel> ok
[05:27] <felixhummel> now i'm here
[05:27] <felixhummel> ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/distributions/archlinux/iso/latest/
[05:27] <felixhummel> do i use x64 (ye, /me got athlon64) or good ol i686
[05:27] <felixhummel> ?
[05:27] <Tyroth> use 64 bit if you dont use any of the apps that are 32 bit only
[05:27] <felixhummel> mhm
[05:28] <felixhummel> like... firefox?
[05:28] <Tyroth> I can think of 2 off the top of my head
[05:28] <Tyroth> no
[05:28] <Tyroth> firefox can be compiled under 64 bit
[05:28] <Tyroth> but kiss flash player goodbye
[05:28] <felixhummel> :/
[05:28] <Tyroth> do you even use it?
[05:28] <felixhummel> as a multi-media-youtube-kiddie i'll probably need it
[05:29] <felixhummel> how big is the gain anyways?
[05:29] <Tyroth> i've heard of people mananaging to use the open source flash player
[05:29] <Tyroth> very small
[05:29] <Tyroth> wine is good
[05:29] <Tyroth> but'
[05:29] <Tyroth> 32 bit only
[05:29] <felixhummel> so i'll stick with i686 and everything will be fine (if a little slower)
[05:29] <Tyroth> mainly flash player/wine/zsnes that i know of being 32 bit only
[05:30] <felixhummel> so the difference between core and ftp is that the latter sets up inet with dhcp automagically and gets core packages on-the-fly right?
[05:30] <Tyroth> yea
[05:30] <felixhummel> ok
[05:30] <Tyroth> but core can still do FTP install
[05:30] <Tyroth> it uses the same installer
[05:31] <Tyroth> just core comes packed with packages
[05:31] <Tyroth> you don't need to install the devel section of core if
[05:31] <Tyroth> you dont plan to need gcc, etc
[05:31] <felixhummel> that's really cool. a distro with ~30 megs
[05:31] <felixhummel> i will need gcc
[05:31] <felixhummel> eventually
[05:31] <Tyroth> so install the entire devel section
[05:31] <Tyroth> you can probably pick arch's base down a bit more if you want to
[05:32] <Tyroth> like remove file system utils for file systems your not using
[05:32] <felixhummel> sounds reasonable
[05:32] <Tyroth> remove vim and just use nano
[05:32] <Tyroth> arch installed vim and nano for editors
[05:32] <felixhummel> never
[05:32] <felixhummel> ;)
[05:32] <Tyroth> installs
[05:32] <felixhummel> vice versa
[05:32] <felixhummel> vim own
[05:32] <felixhummel> s
[05:33] <Tyroth> if you ever want an easy to use source distro
[05:33] <felixhummel> maybe i'll use gvim
[05:33] <Tyroth> try out lunar-linux.org
[05:33] <felixhummel> it can copy and paste without mouse, right?
[05:33] <Tyroth> I don't know.
[05:33] <Tyroth> I use mouse a lot
[05:33] <felixhummel> :/
[05:33] <Tyroth> more than you
[05:33] <Tyroth> I use keyboard/mouse about the same
[05:33] <felixhummel> that you can be sure of
[05:34] <Tyroth> I'm a windows immigrate :P
[05:34] <Tyroth> immigrant*
[05:34] <Tyroth> or however you spell it
[05:34] <felixhummel> i have 90/10 kb/mouse and want 99.9/0.1
[05:34] <felixhummel> me too
[05:34] <felixhummel> i started with c64, then dos, then windows up to xp, then debian, then ubuntu (and a small trip to LFS)
[05:35] <Tyroth> you'll probably like the Eterm terminal
[05:35] <Tyroth> it has some nifty visual effects
[05:35] <Tyroth> and very configurable
[05:35] <Tyroth> and lightweight
[05:35] <felixhummel> i don't like visual effects :)
[05:35] <felixhummel> i like lightweight
[05:35] <felixhummel> and i like configurable
[05:35] <Tyroth> well it has some nifty backgrounds
[05:35] <felixhummel> and i like keyboard shortcuts
[05:35] <Tyroth> for the text to overlap
[05:35] <Tyroth> thats about it for visual effects
[05:35] <felixhummel> and i like syntax highlighting
[05:36] <Tyroth> Eterm also properly handles key commands to terminal
[05:36] <Tyroth> felix: Eterm has a built-in phrase selector
[05:36] <felixhummel> that's the thing with vi. you can do about anything with it, but every little change needs much time and reading...
[05:36] <felixhummel> a phrase selector?
[05:36] <felixhummel> so i can select without mouse?
[05:36] <Tyroth> so it can be used in every terminal app that doesn't support it
[05:36] <Tyroth> i assume it can be brought up without mouse somehow
[05:37] <Tyroth> but the only way I know of to bring it up is
[05:37] <Tyroth> use menu
[05:37] <Tyroth> Eterm has a lot of programming functioniality
[05:38] <Tyroth> other decent terminals might be
[05:38] <Tyroth> mrxvt if you like tabs
[05:38] <Tyroth> urxvt also supports tabs if you enable the built-in perl extension
[05:38] <felixhummel> eterm's the extendend version of rxvt which is a slimmed down version of xterm :D
[05:39] <felixhummel> that's funny
[05:39] <felixhummel> i don't need tabs
[05:39] <Tyroth> i like Eterm for its nifty background :)
[05:39] <Tyroth> instead of bleh black
[05:40] <Tyroth> oroborus is very configurable
[05:40] <felixhummel> i need yakuake or ...
[05:40] <Tyroth> yakuake?
[05:40] <Tyroth> whats that
[05:41] <felixhummel> you know quake, the game?
[05:41] <Tyroth> heard of it
[05:41] <Tyroth> but i'd expect someone like to like mud gaming more than anything ;p
[05:41] <felixhummel> mud?
[05:41] <Tyroth> you*
[05:41] <Tyroth> Multi User Dungeon
[05:41] <felixhummel> omg
[05:41] <felixhummel> :D
[05:42] <Tyroth> its completely text based
[05:42] <felixhummel> i enjoy slaughtering people with railgun and rocket on 3d maps at high speed
[05:42] <Tyroth> o_O
[05:42] <Tyroth> just saying it might be your style
[05:42] <Tyroth> :)
[05:43] <Tyroth> mudconnect.com if you want an index of muds
[05:43] <felixhummel> on topic: quake has the console
[05:43] <felixhummel> it drops of the top of the screen to the middle
[05:43] <felixhummel> and yakuake emulates this for X
[05:43] <felixhummel> so instead of having loads of windows, you have ONE window at the top of the screen
[05:44] <Tyroth> if your a programmer, you'd probably love fvwm :p
[05:44] <felixhummel> http://images.google.de/images?q=yakuake&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:de:unofficial&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
[05:44] <Tyroth> icewm is also nice
[05:44] <felixhummel> mhm
[05:45] <Tyroth> has built-in keyboard hotkeys
[05:45] <felixhummel> i was thinking about ratpoison
[05:45] <Tyroth> ion might also work
[05:45] <felixhummel> and the hotkeys argument... well, xbindkeys (decoupling logic from presentation is good)
[05:46] <Tyroth> I swear, lxpanel is a lot like icewm's panel
[05:46] <Tyroth> except it can be themed by gtk2
[05:46] <felixhummel> i don't need themes
[05:46] <felixhummel> lol
[05:46] <felixhummel> i'm like a purist
[05:46] <Tyroth> arch also has sawfish
[05:46] <felixhummel> maybe i even leave X as it is and run firefox in the frame buffer
[05:47] <felixhummel> is that even possible?
[05:47] <Tyroth> i doubt it
[05:47] <Tyroth> firefox uses gtk2
[05:47] <Tyroth> which relys on xorg to function
[05:48] <felixhummel> http://mail.directfb.org/pipermail/directfb-dev/2006-January/001433.html
[05:48] <felixhummel> says it's possible
[05:48] <felixhummel> but you'd have to run X on top of the fb
[05:48] <felixhummel> and that would be really stupid
[05:49] <felixhummel> good thing i got a laptop here. this way we can chat and i can install simultaneously
[05:50] <Tyroth> o_o
[05:51] <felixhummel> what's the don't panic thing?
[05:51] <Tyroth> its the codename
[05:52] <Tyroth> of this series
[05:52] <Tyroth> you might like firebox when its next release is out
[05:52] <felixhummel> and why is latest linked to 2007-08 when 2007-10 is out?
[05:52] <felixhummel> what's that?
[05:53] <Tyroth> its the 2nd release of that CD
[05:53] <Tyroth> its a revision
[05:53] <felixhummel> oh
[05:53] <felixhummel> ok
[05:53] <Tyroth> firebox is a window manager
[05:53] <felixhummel> ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/distributions/archlinux/iso/
[05:53] <Tyroth> very minimalistic
[05:53] <felixhummel> latest links to 2007.08
[05:53] <Tyroth> more keyboard driven
[05:53] <Tyroth> but not a tiling WM
[05:54] <felixhummel> but real latest is 2007.10
[05:54] <felixhummel> wtf?
[05:54] <Tyroth> has alt+tab and a configurable dynamic menu
[05:54] <Tyroth> felix, thats the DATE
[05:54] <Tyroth> go by the name
[05:54] <felixhummel> huh?
[05:55] <felixhummel> tyroth, i KNOW that 2007.08 and 2007.10 are dates
[05:55] <felixhummel> but felix wonders why the latest folder links to 2007.08 instead of 2007.10
[05:55] <felixhummel> and felix thinks that maybe tyroth has an explanation.
[05:55] <felixhummel> :P
[05:56] <Tyroth> who knows...
[05:56] <Tyroth> all that matters is the ISOs date
[05:57] <Tyroth> lxpanel also has a cpu monitor built into it... heh
[05:57] <felixhummel> probably someone forgot to update the link
[05:57] <felixhummel> while cd's burning i'll tar my lungs...
[05:57] <felixhummel> brb
[05:57] <felixhummel> [05:57] <Tyroth> lxpanel also has a cpu monitor built into it... heh
[05:58] <felixhummel> that one sat
[05:58] <felixhummel> i'm sold
[05:59] <Tyroth> it also has a clock and system tray
[05:59] <Tyroth> tasklist
[05:59] <Tyroth> application launch bar
[05:59] <Tyroth> and menu
[05:59] <Tyroth> you can change its appearance by changing the GTK2 theme
[05:59] <Tyroth> if you so desire
[06:00] <Tyroth> at the very least i'd suggest changing the font
[06:00] <Tyroth> with gtk2_prefs from the pacman repo
[06:01] <Tyroth> lxpanel also has a pager, minimize all windows button, and spacing pieces
[06:01] <Tyroth> I typically disable the pager though
[06:01] <Tyroth> I only need 1 workspace
[06:01] <Tyroth> if you enjoy classic SNES games, etc
[06:02] <Tyroth> you'll enjoy emulators like zsnes and fceultra
[06:02] <felixhummel> re
[06:02] <Tyroth> zsnes is my preferred linux snes emulator
[06:02] <Tyroth> has a nice GUI to go with it
[06:02] <Tyroth> its own GUI
[06:02] <felixhummel> you're a living arch linux wiki ;)
[06:03] <Tyroth> it even works in the framebuffer
[06:03] <Tyroth> if you enable it
[06:03] <Tyroth> arch disables the framebuffer by default
[06:03] <felixhummel> how do i enable it then?
[06:03] <Tyroth> pass the right command to the kernel during bootup
[06:04] <Tyroth> its documented in the grub menu
[06:04] <Tyroth> if you edit it
[06:04] <Tyroth> I'd suggesting enabling more than 256 colors though =p
[06:04] <Tyroth> zsnes looks ugly if you only use 256
[06:07] <Tyroth> theres also a GUI version of links that can use the framebuffer
[06:07] <Tyroth> but its not really worth the trouble
[06:08] <felixhummel> i study CS and my Fachhochschule (college?) has windows, so i stick with firefox and google browser sync
[06:09] <felixhummel> i.e.: X with firefox and lxpanel
[06:11] <Tyroth> firebox has a dynamic window
[06:11] <Tyroth> comes up in the middle of screen when you hit the hotkey
[06:11] <Tyroth> then you select what app to launch
[06:11] <felixhummel> nice
[06:11] <Tyroth> but its a bit buggy atm
[06:11] <felixhummel> where's it's page? couldn find it at google
[06:12] <Tyroth> i suggest waiting until next release
[06:12] <felixhummel> ok
[06:12] <Tyroth> firebox.intuxication.org
[06:12] <Tyroth> the easy configurator is GUI mouse
[06:12] <Tyroth> but
[06:12] <Tyroth> once you get it right
[06:12] <Tyroth> you dont need to fiddle with it again
[06:12] <Tyroth> :)
[06:13] <felixhummel> so what WM do you use atm?
[06:13] <Tyroth> oroborus
[06:13] <Tyroth> o_o
[06:13] <felixhummel> yeah
[06:13] <felixhummel> i forgot ;)
[06:13] <Tyroth> but its so minimalistic
[06:13] <Tyroth> its useless without supplemenetal programs
[06:14] <Tyroth> ROX is a good file manager for example
[06:14] <Tyroth> it can act as a place to store iconified/minimized windows
[06:14] <Tyroth> hasa background manager
[06:14] <Tyroth> and a panel setup
[06:15] <Tyroth> man i really cut my finger bad
[06:15] <Tyroth> luckily i contained it before it got on anything
[06:15] <Tyroth> x_x
[06:18] <Tyroth> hello?
[06:18] <felixhummel> yeye
[06:18] <felixhummel> i'm still here
[06:18] <Tyroth> so how slow is your CD burner? 1x? XD
[06:18] <felixhummel> question is: how do i get started fast?
[06:18] <felixhummel> :D
[06:18] <felixhummel> cd is done
[06:19] <Tyroth> started on what?
[06:19] <felixhummel> x
[06:19] <Tyroth> ...?
[06:19] <Tyroth> why are you talkin about xorg when you haven't even installed eyt
[06:20] <felixhummel> never mind
[06:20] * Tyroth boggles.
[06:21] <felixhummel> ok
[06:21] <felixhummel> i'll begin installing then
[06:21] <felixhummel> brb
[06:21] <Tyroth> bootup live cd
[06:21] <Tyroth> etc
[06:21] <felixhummel> ye