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Oct 07 21:50:17 <Alphacheez> hey, he's back
Oct 07 21:50:38 <Sophomore> was ist?
Oct 07 21:50:45 * Semaphore gives channel operator status to Sophomore
Oct 07 21:50:47 <Alphacheez> how'd the restart go?
Oct 07 21:50:57 <Sophomore> not well. I h8 grub >_<
Oct 07 21:51:02 <johnf> inquiring linux minds want to know
Oct 07 21:51:06 <johnf> ugh, grub issues eh
Oct 07 21:51:09 <Sophomore> "GRUB Hard Disk Error"
Oct 07 21:51:10 <Sophomore> yeah
Oct 07 21:51:18 <johnf> ah, I haven't seen that one befoer
Oct 07 21:51:26 <johnf> but I see it maintains the nice and fucking vague tradition
Oct 07 21:51:36 <Sophomore> mostly because knoppix 5.2 with its 2.6.19.5 kernel and all-generic-ide has a different interpretation of BIOS drive numbers than the BIOS itself
Oct 07 21:51:41 <Sophomore> I fucking hate grub.
Oct 07 21:52:03 <johnf> did you get it to work?
Oct 07 21:52:10 <Sophomore> I think the grub authors should be pummelled in the face with baseball bats until they are either dead or willing to provide a proper set of error messages
Oct 07 21:52:13 <johnf> did you use the famous grub floppy to determine grub drive order?
Oct 07 21:52:13 <Sophomore> no
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Oct 07 21:52:24 <Sophomore> I have no idea what that is.
Oct 07 21:52:25 <johnf> can you get into the grub shell?
Oct 07 21:52:25 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: this is probably recoverable.
Oct 07 21:52:31 <Sophomore> johnf: no.
Oct 07 21:52:32 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: you boot grub off a floppy so it's using the bios
Oct 07 21:52:37 <LordHunter317> figure out what each drive is
Oct 07 21:52:45 <LordHunter317> and then you can update the device mapping on your linux install.
Oct 07 21:52:52 <Sophomore> well, I already know the proper device mapping
Oct 07 21:52:53 <LordHunter317> or, just reinstall from the floppy.
Oct 07 21:53:00 <Sophomore> grub in knoppix refuses to use said device mapping
Oct 07 21:53:10 <LordHunter317> you should be using grub from your chroot, always.
Oct 07 21:53:11 <Sophomore> because grub is an asstastic piece of shit
Oct 07 21:53:15 <LordHunter317> always, always, always, always.
Oct 07 21:53:18 <Sophomore> no, that doesn't work.
Oct 07 21:53:22 <LordHunter317> how does that not work?
Oct 07 21:53:25 <Sophomore> you need to use --root-directory=/blah
Oct 07 21:53:28 <LordHunter317> i've only done it a billion times.
Oct 07 21:53:31 <LordHunter317> no.
Oct 07 21:53:32 <Sophomore> because it depends on /etc/mtab.
Oct 07 21:53:33 <Sophomore> yes.
Oct 07 21:53:34 <LordHunter317> no.
Oct 07 21:53:37 <Sophomore> yes.
Oct 07 21:53:39 <LordHunter317> no.
Oct 07 21:53:44 <Sophomore> yes ad nauseam
Oct 07 21:53:44 <LordHunter317> waht the fuck did you run?
Oct 07 21:53:57 <Sophomore> grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda
Oct 07 21:54:07 <Sophomore> root-directory takes care of the chrooting
Oct 07 21:54:15 <Sophomore> inside the chroot it can't figure out what /boot is
Oct 07 21:54:23 <Sophomore> despite the fact that /proc and /dev are --bind mounted
Oct 07 21:54:29 <Sophomore> and /etc/mtab has an entry.
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Oct 07 21:54:32 <Sophomore> as does /etc/fstab.
Oct 07 21:54:35 <Sophomore> it's just too stupid
Oct 07 21:54:53 <Sophomore> I've actually NEVER been able to get grub to install from within a chroot, and I've ALWAYS had to use --root-directory
Oct 07 21:54:57 <LordHunter317> i didn't mtab inside /usr/sbin/grub-install.
Oct 07 21:55:00 <LordHunter317> didn't find, that is.
Oct 07 21:55:06 <LordHunter317> and you shouldn't use it once grub is is installed
Oct 07 21:55:10 <Sophomore> well, it does something that plain doesn't work
Oct 07 21:55:16 <Sophomore> can you start typing in English?
Oct 07 21:55:18 <LordHunter317> chroot in, run /sbin/grub, and run setup from within the shell.
Oct 07 21:55:24 <Sophomore> ugh
Oct 07 21:55:34 <Sophomore> grub-install is supposed to be the "right" way
Oct 07 21:55:35 <LordHunter317> that is, in fact, what grub-setup does to install the bootloader.
Oct 07 21:55:42 <Sophomore> what grub-setup?
Oct 07 21:55:45 <Sophomore> grub-install.
Oct 07 21:55:51 <Sophomore> stop being such a lordhumper.
Oct 07 21:56:42 <Sophomore> btw I did install using the grub shell.
Oct 07 21:56:45 <Sophomore> the issue is this
Oct 07 21:57:02 <Sophomore> I booted off the CDROM
Oct 07 21:57:08 <Sophomore> so my PATA hard disk became 0x80
Oct 07 21:57:21 <Sophomore> and my SATA hard disk (<-- the one with the install) became 0x81
Oct 07 21:57:34 <Sophomore> when I'm booting off the hard disk the BIOS maps it to 0x80.
Oct 07 21:57:45 <Sophomore> this means that even the grub floppy won't get it right.
Oct 07 21:57:47 <LordHunter317> right, fine. so you can fix that, but you're not goign to be doing it with grub-install.
Oct 07 21:57:52 <LordHunter317> yes, it will.
Oct 07 21:57:56 <LordHunter317> the grugb floppy uses the BIOS mappings
Oct 07 21:57:59 <LordHunter317> how can it use anything else?
Oct 07 21:58:00 <Sophomore> what I need to do is to tell grub, look here, dipshit, THIS drive is going to be 0x80.
Oct 07 21:58:15 <Sophomore> the bios mappings differ based on what drive you're booting off.
Oct 07 21:58:25 <Sophomore> if you boot off a removable it's according to PCI scan
Oct 07 21:58:35 <Sophomore> if it boots off one of the hard disks my BIOS maps THAT to 0x80
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Oct 07 21:58:39 <Sophomore> to make windows happy.
Oct 07 21:58:47 <Sophomore> hence why the grub floppy will not work
Oct 07 21:58:49 <LordHunter317> you can still map from withing the floppy.
Oct 07 21:58:55 <Sophomore> because the mappings it sees are incorrect
Oct 07 21:59:05 <Sophomore> if so I can do it from the grub shell within knx too
Oct 07 21:59:09 <Sophomore> no floppy required.
Oct 07 21:59:14 <LordHunter317> and passing the d to the installer should make it irrelevant anyway.
Oct 07 21:59:26 <Sophomore> speak english pls
Oct 07 21:59:29 <johnf> in conclusion
Oct 07 21:59:31 <johnf> grub sucks
Oct 07 21:59:36 <Sophomore> yes. yes it does.
Oct 07 21:59:45 <Noth> johnf: the grub installer sucks, the rest of it is fine
Oct 07 21:59:46 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: build a valid, correct, sane device.map
Oct 07 21:59:50 <Sophomore> I swear, I haven't had half the issues with lilo that I've had with grub. sigh.
Oct 07 21:59:54 <cbaoth> Noth++
Oct 07 21:59:57 <johnf> Noth: nah, I'm inclined to disagree
Oct 07 21:59:59 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: it is a valid, correct, sane device.map.
Oct 07 22:00:03 <johnf> it sucks, it's installer sucks more
Oct 07 22:00:08 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: the problem is with grub itself
Oct 07 22:00:09 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: post it.
Oct 07 22:00:22 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: when I do setup (hd0,1) it doesn't refer to device.map.
Oct 07 22:00:25 <Noth> johnf: ah so you're taking the lh stance that everything sucks and you're just trying to decide on the level of sucktitude?
Oct 07 22:00:28 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: it goes straight to the BIOS
Oct 07 22:00:37 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: figures out, oh, this doesn't have stage1
Oct 07 22:00:42 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: and gives up
Oct 07 22:00:52 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: even though at boot time, that device IS what will have it
Oct 07 22:00:53 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: what the flying fuck are you talking about?
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Oct 07 22:01:10 <LordHunter317> in Linux, device.map is always used and preferred
Oct 07 22:01:12 <johnf> Noth: he didn't exactly invent that stance
Oct 07 22:01:16 <LordHunter317> you can tell it any mappings you fucking please.
Oct 07 22:01:19 <LordHunter317> and it will obey them.
Oct 07 22:01:24 <Noth> johnf: no, but he's the most vocal about it around here
Oct 07 22:01:25 <Sophomore> LordHunter317: not when setting up evidently.
Oct 07 22:02:33 <LordHunter317> that's not waht the documentation implies.
Oct 07 22:02:40 <LordHunter317> and without showing me exaclty what you ran, it's hard to tell
Oct 07 22:02:43 <LordHunter317> or the map file, for that matter.
Oct 07 22:02:56 <Sophomore> I can't paste immediately right now
Oct 07 22:03:01 <Sophomore> give me ten minutes
Oct 07 22:03:02 <johnf> windi: your russian friend are sending me more spam than ever to my work address
Oct 07 22:03:04 <johnf> tell them to stop
Oct 07 22:03:10 <johnf> or I will be forced to make an example of you
Oct 07 22:03:41 <johnf> (at least wierd unicode characters sort last, it makes it easy to remove them)
Oct 07 22:03:51 <Sophomore> it's immensely annoying to do all this shit because knoppix has zero evms support oob and my wonderful 256/64 means it takes fucking ages to apt-get update so I can finally install evms
Oct 07 22:04:05 <johnf> you used evms?
Oct 07 22:04:14 <Sophomore> for my root and home fses, yes
Oct 07 22:04:17 <Sophomore> for /boot, no
Oct 07 22:04:41 <Sophomore> (well, in the sense that it's a compatibility volume inside evms, but as far as anything else is concerned it's a regular partition with ext3)
Oct 07 22:05:01 <johnf> forgive me, compatability volume?
Oct 07 22:05:05 <johnf> where do you mount it out of?
Oct 07 22:05:13 <Sophomore> i.e. not a native EVMS volume
Oct 07 22:05:17 <johnf> is it a EVMS volume, a lvm volume, something else?
Oct 07 22:05:24 <Sophomore> it shows up as /dev/evms/sda2
Oct 07 22:05:25 <schweeb> yea, you lost me too
Oct 07 22:05:25 <johnf> because I know you were talking about growing and shit, right?
Oct 07 22:05:30 <Sophomore> it's a regular PC partition.
Oct 07 22:05:36 <Sophomore> /boot is specifically
Oct 07 22:05:49 <Sophomore> / and /home are LVM2 volumes managed by EVMS.
Oct 07 22:06:01 <johnf> ah, I see
Oct 07 22:07:23 <Sophomore> debian's grub has evms support
Oct 07 22:07:43 <Sophomore> so it can handle evms volumes as well as "compatibility" ones according to the boot guide on evms.sf.net
Oct 07 22:08:03 <Sophomore> er, no, the reference was on wiki.debian.org
Oct 07 22:08:09 <Sophomore> regarding doing an EVMS install
Oct 07 22:10:18 <johnf> hmm, but you don't really need the EVMS support
Oct 07 22:10:27 <johnf> as the volumes are LVM2, they're just managed by EVMS
Oct 07 22:10:28 <johnf> right?
Oct 07 22:10:32 <Sophomore> lvm would've been sufficient.
Oct 07 22:10:34 <Sophomore> yes
Oct 07 22:10:46 <Sophomore> in any case, I have no doubt I'd have seen the same issue with lvm
Oct 07 22:10:47 <johnf> of course, none of this is getting you closer to running grub
Oct 07 22:10:58 <Sophomore> since at this stage it's nowhere near even hitting the root fs
Oct 07 22:11:17 <Sophomore> and as far as grub is concerned /boot is a regular 1980s partition
Oct 07 22:11:48 <johnf> I miss the 80s
Oct 07 22:11:54 <johnf> things were simpler then
Oct 07 22:12:02 <johnf> of course, I was < 12, so that probably helped
Oct 07 22:12:21 <Sophomore> I feel as if I should just set up a GPT on this thing and go elilo
Oct 07 22:12:29 <Sophomore> my bios supports UEFI
Oct 07 22:12:44 <cbaoth> Fancy pants.
Oct 07 22:12:59 <johnf> hmm
Oct 07 22:13:03 <Sophomore> that probably has a better chance of working :p
Oct 07 22:13:04 <johnf> I guess that means mine does too
Oct 07 22:13:14 <Sophomore> yeah, it's an option in the BIOS setup
Oct 07 22:14:14 <cbaoth> Same mb?
Oct 07 22:14:35 <johnf> very similar
Oct 07 22:14:40 <johnf> i have mATX
Oct 07 22:14:42 <johnf> soph does
Oct 07 22:14:45 <johnf> doesn't
Oct 07 22:15:03 <johnf> wow, the E2160 even has EM64T
Oct 07 22:15:10 <cbaoth> nub.
Oct 07 22:15:17 <johnf> does ti have vt?
Oct 07 22:15:18 <cbaoth> It's Intel 64!
Oct 07 22:15:25 <Alphacheez> yes, E2160 is just missing VT and a huge chunk of cache
Oct 07 22:15:27 <cbaoth> I don't think so.
Oct 07 22:15:31 <johnf> ah, that's it
Oct 07 22:15:33 <cbaoth> E4xxx doesn't.
Oct 07 22:15:36 <johnf> cache is for nubs
Oct 07 22:15:43 <johnf> ;)
Oct 07 22:15:54 <johnf> hmm, there doesn't seem to be much I can do to speed boot on this
Oct 07 22:16:08 <Alphacheez> cache probably matters very little for streaming video processing, but I'm not sure
Oct 07 22:16:27 <cbaoth> So it wouldn't make sense for the pentium e's to have vt... of course, asking intel's product line to make sense might be asking a bit much.
Oct 07 22:16:27 <johnf> probably depends, playback, doubtful
Oct 07 22:16:43 <johnf> cbaoth: /intel/any tech company/
Oct 07 22:17:00 <johnf> ref: ATI, AMD, Nvidia, etc...
Oct 07 22:17:06 <schweeb> oh boy
Oct 07 22:17:08 <Alphacheez> encoding also probably doesn't need much cache; just needs to keep the processor fed
Oct 07 22:17:13 <cbaoth> Streaming data, so you just want your codec + glue to fit in cache.
Oct 07 22:17:20 <schweeb> UAW may be striking against chrysler next... ;_;
Oct 07 22:17:34 <johnf> this box doesn't do anything other than play video
Oct 07 22:17:38 <schweeb> I may be crossing some picket lines to get to work
Oct 07 22:17:54 <johnf> though I may find a way to use that powerhouse of a proc a bit more
Oct 07 22:18:04 <Alphacheez> johnf: the E2160 is just for the frontend?
Oct 07 22:18:10 <johnf> yeah
Oct 07 22:18:13 <johnf> diskless frontend
Oct 07 22:18:19 <cbaoth> johnf: 1080p 'movies'
Oct 07 22:18:35 <johnf> cbaoth: to my SD tv?
Oct 07 22:18:39 <cbaoth> Yes.
Oct 07 22:18:48 <cbaoth> Over composite.
Oct 07 22:18:55 <johnf> lol
Oct 07 22:19:06 <johnf> with mono audio!
Oct 07 22:19:10 <Alphacheez> cbaoth: can you feel the data not being used? and you somehow relish in it...
Oct 07 22:19:50 <Alphacheez> send the audio over monochannel Hello Kitty earphones
Oct 07 22:20:03 <cbaoth> !g hello kitty tv
Oct 07 22:20:03 <Willow> URL: http://www.amazon.com/Hello-Kitty-13%2522-Color-KT2113/dp/B00009LZP8
Oct 07 22:20:24 <cbaoth> There's your new tv johnf.
Oct 07 22:20:36 <Alphacheez> I got my GF a Hello Kitty iPod Dock Speaker system, it's primary use is as a recharging station
Oct 07 22:21:04 <Alphacheez> hey, hello kitty is pretty fuckin' tech saavy
Oct 07 22:21:23 <Alphacheez> I wonder if she is as pedantic as LH317 or Sophomore...probably
Oct 07 22:22:12 <Alphacheez> that TV even comes with Rabbit Ears that sophomore is going on about
Oct 07 22:22:39 <phin> i dated a girl with a hello kitty waffle maker and toilet seat and all of that
Oct 07 22:22:43 <phin> that lasted about a day or 2
Oct 07 22:23:45 <yugami> my ex GF had a hello kitty vibrator
Oct 07 22:23:45 <johnf> ;p;
Oct 07 22:23:48 <yugami> much cooler
Oct 07 22:23:58 <johnf> ok, I'm out to see my grandmother
Oct 07 22:23:59 <johnf> bbl
Oct 07 22:24:18 <yugami> glad I could use the word vibrator right before he goes to his grandma's
Oct 07 22:24:56 <whiprush> heh
Oct 07 22:25:12 <yugami> wad up george
Oct 07 22:25:31 <whiprush> not much
Oct 07 22:25:32 <whiprush> you?
Oct 07 22:25:39 <yugami> just tinkering around
Oct 07 22:25:51 <yugami> http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtocc/
Oct 07 22:25:52 <Willow> Title: SourceForge.net: QtOpenCascade
Oct 07 22:26:08 <yugami> starting to work on this with a guy I've been talking to about it since last winter
Oct 07 22:26:16 <yugami> he hasn't uploaded the code yet
Oct 07 22:26:32 <whiprush> thought you weren't a Qt fan, heh
Oct 07 22:26:42 <yugami> best x-platform toolkit
Oct 07 22:26:43 <whiprush> but that was like 3 years ago now
Oct 07 22:27:14 <yugami> I still like gtkmm best in terms of architecture but this is crossplatform and qt's easier for that
Oct 07 22:27:34 <whiprush> we are missing the gnome summit!
Oct 07 22:28:08 <yugami> besides, he started the code, i just made it work on linux
Oct 07 22:28:21 <whiprush> coo
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Oct 07 22:28:57 <yugami> I've been using the agony that is qcad today to teach myself a lesson
Oct 07 22:29:26 <whiprush> hmmm, you know, I won't miss supporting cad packages
Oct 07 22:29:40 <yugami> where do you work now?
Oct 07 22:29:58 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: you ready for some help? because I need to disappear in a few minutes.
Oct 07 22:30:13 <whiprush> yugami: I work on ubuntu now fulltime
Oct 07 22:30:33 <Semaphore> LordHunter317: http://pastebin.ca/729215
Oct 07 22:30:35 <Willow> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729215
Oct 07 22:30:44 <Semaphore> LordHunter317: as you can see grub seems to completely ignore device.map
Oct 07 22:30:50 <yugami> oh THATS why it's goind down hill
Oct 07 22:30:58 <yugami> ;)
Oct 07 22:30:58 <whiprush> heh
Oct 07 22:31:13 <LordHunter317> Semaphore: sda is the sata drive?
Oct 07 22:31:20 <Semaphore> yes
Oct 07 22:31:34 <LordHunter317> if so, why the bloddy hell did you install to the IDE drive?
Oct 07 22:31:40 <Semaphore> I didn't.
Oct 07 22:31:43 <Semaphore> that's the thing.
Oct 07 22:31:48 <LordHunter317> i see you listing (hd0) and installing to (hd1).
Oct 07 22:31:51 <Semaphore> yes
Oct 07 22:31:54 <Semaphore> notice find?
Oct 07 22:32:01 <Semaphore> that looks for /grub/stage1.
Oct 07 22:32:08 <Semaphore> there is exactly one instance of it.
Oct 07 22:32:13 <Semaphore> on the SATA drive.
Oct 07 22:32:28 <LordHunter317> i don't think that's meant to be used inside Linux.
Oct 07 22:32:50 <Semaphore> let me pastebin what happens when I try to install on (hd0,1), which is what it is when it's booting off that hard disk.
Oct 07 22:33:19 <yugami> whiprush, so what do you do for ubuntu?
Oct 07 22:34:00 <Semaphore> LordHunter317: then what is?
Oct 07 22:34:02 <Semaphore> http://pastebin.ca/729218
Oct 07 22:34:03 <Willow> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729218
Oct 07 22:34:14 <Semaphore> note how it doesn't find /grub/stage1
Oct 07 22:34:28 <Semaphore> (because that's a 75GB partition on the IDE drive)
Oct 07 22:34:37 <Semaphore> (which doesn't have grub on it)
Oct 07 22:35:41 <LordHunter317> and if you run the shell and explicitly give the device.map?
Oct 07 22:35:47 <whiprush> yugami: community development stuff, specifically with upstreams (kde, gnome, xorg, etc)
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Oct 07 22:36:17 <yugami> fun
Oct 07 22:36:23 <yugami> putting up with whiny bitches all day
Oct 07 22:36:28 <whiprush> heh
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Oct 07 22:36:58 <Semaphore> http://pastebin.ca/729222 <--w00t
Oct 07 22:36:59 <Willow> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729222
Oct 07 22:37:05 <Semaphore> thanks for the idea
Oct 07 22:37:18 <LordHunter317> it ought to use that anyway, odd it didn't.
Oct 07 22:37:22 <LordHunter317> /anyway/
Oct 07 22:37:22 <Semaphore> I had no idea grub shell was too retarded to be able to automatically use /boot/grub/device.map[
Oct 07 22:37:26 <LordHunter317> as a backup
Oct 07 22:37:31 <whiprush> yugami: lots of travel soon though
Oct 07 22:37:33 <whiprush> should be fun
Oct 07 22:37:35 <LordHunter317> you can try running within the shell:
Oct 07 22:38:12 <LordHunter317> #
Oct 07 22:38:13 <LordHunter317> install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu
Oct 07 22:38:13 <LordHunter317> #
Oct 07 22:38:18 <LordHunter317> whoops, sorry, one sec
Oct 07 22:38:47 <Semaphore> that's kind of what it ran itself :p
Oct 07 22:38:54 <LordHunter317> install /grub/stage1 d (hd1) (hd1)1+16 p (hd1,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst
Oct 07 22:38:59 <LordHunter317> note how I added the 'd'
Oct 07 22:39:02 <Semaphore> hd1?
Oct 07 22:39:06 <Semaphore> hd0.
Oct 07 22:39:14 <LordHunter317> Semaphore: this is from before, when it wasn't using the device.map.
Oct 07 22:39:40 <LordHunter317> 'd' tells grub to not just look at the drive it booted off, but to search for where it ought to be.
Oct 07 22:39:50 <Semaphore> grub> install /grub/stage1 d (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.>
Oct 07 22:39:50 <Semaphore> grub>
Oct 07 22:39:54 <Semaphore> no news is good news?
Oct 07 22:39:58 <LordHunter317> well, yes.
Oct 07 22:40:02 <Semaphore> k
Oct 07 22:40:16 <LordHunter317> anyway, as I was going to say,running it wiht that 'd' with or without the device.map ought to fix it if the device.map by itself didn't.
Oct 07 22:40:22 <LordHunter317> as it changes the searching.
Oct 07 22:40:29 <LordHunter317> hopefully this works, though.
Oct 07 22:40:36 <Semaphore> time to give it the old college try
Oct 07 22:40:38 <Semaphore> brb
Oct 07 22:40:53 <LordHunter317> ok, i ought to be here for a minute or two when you come back.
Oct 07 22:45:10 <windi> you need to do a /name LordHumper
Oct 07 22:45:23 <LordHunter317> pretty sure my gf would agree with that.
Oct 07 22:45:49 <Sophomore> well, it managed to get to stage2
Oct 07 22:46:13 <Sophomore> now when I try to boot the kernel grub bitches about not being able to find the root fs (which is on lvm)
Oct 07 22:46:50 <LordHunter317> i'ts probably trying to set the root to / instead of /boot
Oct 07 22:46:54 <LordHunter317> which you can fix.
Oct 07 22:47:03 <Sophomore> ?
Oct 07 22:48:05 <LordHunter317> the grub 'root' command is superflorous to booting the kernel.
Oct 07 22:48:17 <LordHunter317> it's actually not necessary for anything, it just saves you from absolute paths.
Oct 07 22:48:28 <Sophomore> still not following you
Oct 07 22:48:36 <LordHunter317> what iscommand is grub failing on?
Oct 07 22:48:37 <windi> you put / on lvm?
Oct 07 22:48:40 <LordHunter317> a 'root' command
Oct 07 22:48:44 <LordHunter317> or the 'kernel' command?
Oct 07 22:48:46 <Sophomore> it's not a syntax issue.
Oct 07 22:48:54 <Sophomore> "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition."
Oct 07 22:49:03 <LordHunter317> but on what line?
Oct 07 22:49:29 <Sophomore> it lists both
Oct 07 22:49:50 <Sophomore> the root line, followed by grub saying "this is partition type 0x8e)
Oct 07 22:49:52 <Sophomore> followed by
Oct 07 22:49:54 <Sophomore> the kernel line
Oct 07 22:50:00 <Sophomore> then "Error 17".
Oct 07 22:50:02 <Sophomore> hm.
Oct 07 22:50:03 <LordHunter317> and the root line is?
Oct 07 22:50:07 <Sophomore> I may have the root line wrong
Oct 07 22:50:08 <Sophomore> let me go check
Oct 07 22:50:11 <LordHunter317> that;'s what I'm telling you.
Oct 07 22:50:21 <LordHunter317> root is likely pointing to the / partition, not /boot
Oct 07 22:50:23 <Sophomore> you're clear as mud, has anyone told you that?
Oct 07 22:50:23 <LordHunter317> point it at /boot
Oct 07 22:50:41 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: the 'root' grub command is equivalent to 'cd' for grub, ok?
Oct 07 22:50:59 <LordHunter317> you don't even have to use it.
Oct 07 22:51:17 <LordHunter317> if you say (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-2.6.22-whatever root=blah
Oct 07 22:51:22 <Sophomore> that was it, as well as another thing
Oct 07 22:51:32 <LordHunter317> err kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-whatever root=blah
Oct 07 22:51:34 <Sophomore> it was listed as /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.img
Oct 07 22:51:35 <Sophomore> the thing is
Oct 07 22:51:40 <Sophomore> this is generated by update-grub
Oct 07 22:51:58 <Sophomore> so I need some way to tell _update-grub_ to do the right thing generating these entries
Oct 07 22:52:08 <LordHunter317> edit the menu.lst
Oct 07 22:52:11 <LordHunter317> fix the groot= line
Oct 07 22:52:24 <Sophomore> that's one part
Oct 07 22:52:27 <Sophomore> how do I fix the other?
Oct 07 22:52:40 <Sophomore> (where it provides absolute pathnames to the kernel and initramfs)
Oct 07 22:53:02 <LordHunter317> I think it's smart enough to do the right thing.
Oct 07 22:53:08 <Sophomore> ok, let me tryh
Oct 07 22:53:11 <Sophomore> this thing is booting :D
Oct 07 22:53:12 <LordHunter317> least, when I was running /boot and LVM on /, it did.
Oct 07 22:53:23 <Sophomore> thanks for the help btw
Oct 07 22:53:28 <LordHunter317> bo
Oct 07 22:53:30 <LordHunter317> err np
Oct 07 22:54:08 <LordHunter317> just run update-grub and check the file it generates after making the change.
Oct 07 22:54:14 <Sophomore> ugh, the splashscreen renders in text mode
Oct 07 22:54:27 <Sophomore> (ew)
Oct 07 22:54:48 <Sophomore> think I need fbcon and a vga= line
Oct 07 22:54:57 <LordHunter317> the grub splashscreen?
Oct 07 22:55:45 <chip> man. Chicago and Philly both got swept.
Oct 07 22:56:00 <LordHunter317> my friend next cube over is going to be pissed.
Oct 07 22:56:11 <chip> I don't even know who to pull for now.
Oct 07 22:56:42 <johnnyace> I was shopping for a radio control car for my nephew, and I found a tank loaded with 10 nerf missles.
Oct 07 22:56:51 <johnnyace> Best uncle, ever.
Oct 07 22:57:21 <chip> motherfucker. LSU won yesterday too.
Oct 07 22:58:56 <LordHunter317> Sophomore: the grub splashscreen you can't do anything about.
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Oct 07 23:03:29 <yugami> johnnyace, sweet
Oct 07 23:06:36 <Semaphore> LordHunter317: going to try fbcon with a vga= mode setting
Oct 07 23:06:45 <Semaphore> LordHunter317: and thanks, groot fixed both issues
Oct 07 23:06:53 <Semaphore> wish grub were as smart as update-grub :p
Oct 07 23:07:11 <LordHunter317> Semaphore: for the grub splashimage? won't work.
Oct 07 23:07:16 <LordHunter317> it's displayed by grub, not the kernel.
Oct 07 23:10:28 <windi> stupid resume question, if a company I worked at once got renamed, I put the old name on, right?
Oct 07 23:10:47 <boskone> That's enough twilight princess for one day; this part sucks w/o arrows
Oct 07 23:10:54 <schweeb> windi: I would imagine so
Oct 07 23:11:02 <boskone> windi: both, I would think. Something like Original Name (now New Name)
Oct 07 23:11:12 <LordHunter317> windi: do they still trade under the old name?
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Oct 07 23:11:34 <LordHunter317> seems better to be current trading name (formerly blah)
Oct 07 23:12:42 <windi> stupid russian owners renaming the company
Oct 07 23:12:46 <boskone> Maybe; I figure it would be better to use old (now new) so that they know that you worked for 'em under the old name
Oct 07 23:12:56 <LordHunter317> it seems obvious if you use both
Oct 07 23:13:06 <boskone> !8 twilight princess or ffvii
Oct 07 23:13:06 <Willow> boskone: Both/All.
Oct 07 23:13:07 <LordHunter317> but i'd make the name they're going to find your former employer under more prominent.
Oct 07 23:13:19 <boskone> not at _all_ helpful
Oct 07 23:13:28 <cbaoth> windi: Putin Corp?
Oct 07 23:13:32 <windi> rol
Oct 07 23:13:34 <windi> no
Oct 07 23:13:38 <windi> random oligarch corp
Oct 07 23:13:47 <windi> actually
Oct 07 23:13:56 <windi> the old name was Strom Telecom
Oct 07 23:14:14 <windi> the new name is Sitronics Telecom Solutions, part of Sitronics, part of ASC Sistema
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Oct 07 23:15:50 <windi> er AFK Sistema
Oct 07 23:15:59 <boskone> ...afk? rofl
Oct 07 23:16:01 <boskone> ominous name
Oct 07 23:16:06 <windi> ASC is a telecom company based in my home village
Oct 07 23:16:28 <boskone> "128/64 service: 2 chickens, 1 goat setup fee"
Oct 07 23:16:44 <windi> rol no
Oct 07 23:17:02 <boskone> that'd be awesome, though
Oct 07 23:17:06 <windi> they do recording shit
Oct 07 23:17:07 <boskone> unprofitable, but awesome
Oct 07 23:17:11 <boskone> ah
Oct 07 23:17:17 <windi> http://www.asctelecom.com/english/index_e.html
Oct 07 23:17:18 <Willow> Title: ASC telecom - Communications Recording and Quality Monitoring
Oct 07 23:27:34 <johnf> ooh
Oct 07 23:27:37 <johnf> Sophomore: you all grubed up now?
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Oct 07 23:29:40 <johnf> grub has caused us a lot of issues too
Oct 07 23:29:49 <johnf> "can't find stage 1.5" my fucking ass
Oct 07 23:30:07 <cbaoth> Beats LI LI LI LI LI LI LI LI
Oct 07 23:30:14 <johnf> lol
Oct 07 23:30:25 <johnf> my personal favourite was always:
Oct 07 23:30:29 <johnf> LI<hex abortion>
Oct 07 23:30:31 <cbaoth> Or the dreaded LI 01 01 01 01 01 01
Oct 07 23:30:33 <schweeb> cbaoth++
Oct 07 23:31:06 <cbaoth> That's not to say that grub is flawless, installation is poop.
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Oct 07 23:35:15 <windi> heh
Oct 07 23:35:26 <windi> "good" old lilo
Oct 07 23:35:42 <lostnihilist> meh, grub has never been as painful as LILO, despite some minor installation issues (especially w/ xfs)
Oct 07 23:35:43 <windi> I remember installing a new kernel and then forgetting to run lilo
Oct 07 23:35:52 <cbaoth> windi++
Oct 07 23:35:56 <lostnihilist> done that
Oct 07 23:36:18 <lostnihilist> i've also seen lilo mess with my MBR enough to make windows think i had stolen it
Oct 07 23:36:43 <lostnihilist> that was actually my last windows install. i just got so pissed that I could be kicked out of my own computer I just formatted on top of it
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Oct 07 23:46:12 <Alphacheez> i am sexually attracted to my mother
Oct 07 23:46:24 <Alphacheez> she has nice tatas
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Oct 07 23:53:32 <johnf> you disgust me
Oct 07 23:55:06 <Alphacheez> my roommate has an interesting sense of humor
Oct 07 23:55:14 <johnf> and access to your keyboard?
Oct 07 23:55:17 <Alphacheez> yes
Oct 07 23:55:37 <johnf> http://bash.org/?5775
Oct 07 23:55:39 <Willow> Title: QDB: Quote #5775
Oct 07 23:56:05 <TheRock|Home> pwned
Oct 07 23:56:14 <Alphacheez> exactly
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Oct 07 23:56:28 <johnf> I assume tatas = titties
Oct 07 23:56:33 <TheRock|Home> yes
Oct 07 23:56:50 <TheRock|Home> haven't you seen the breast cancer awareness stuff?
Oct 07 23:56:57 <TheRock|Home> 'save the ta-tas'?
Oct 07 23:57:21 <Alphacheez> johnf is clearly a barbarian for not knowing such vocab
Oct 07 23:57:40 <boskone> TheRock|Home: there's a place in town that's selling pink "I <3 (*)(*)" shirts
Oct 07 23:57:42 <chip> TheRock|Home: canadians are above such vocabulary.
Oct 08 00:00:08 <johnf> boskone: lol
Oct 08 00:00:48 <TheRock|Home> boskone, rol
Oct 08 00:01:08 <TheRock|Home> note to self: beat roommate badly
Oct 08 00:01:27 <Alphacheez> oh man, this episode of TNG is hilarious; the planet of people who have sex at the drop of a hat, the outfits are o.O
Oct 08 00:01:48 <TheRock|Home> pics
Oct 08 00:02:31 <Alphacheez> the episode is called "Justice" I'm looking now
Oct 08 00:02:39 <Alphacheez> it's season 1 episode 8
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Oct 08 00:05:35 <johnf> bbl, parents
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Oct 08 00:20:20 <Alphacheez> Worf: "With earth females I must restrain myself too much, they are quite fragile." ROL
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Oct 08 00:26:07 <windi> I don't know whether to laugh or cry at star trek sex jokes
Oct 08 00:26:35 <Alphacheez> it's so blatantly bad, I love it
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Oct 08 00:31:37 <ninkendo> are the linux virtual terminals (ctrl+alt+f1-f6) disabled on purpose in gutsy?
Oct 08 00:31:43 <ninkendo> because they're not there for me.
Oct 08 00:32:04 <ninkendo> but they work when I boot single-user and do "init 2"
Oct 08 00:33:26 <ninkendo> hmm, it might have something to do with the vga=795 option I'm choosing
Oct 08 00:33:34 <ninkendo> or maybe the splash option disables vt's now
Oct 08 00:35:49 <rick_h> I had that issue early in gutsy
Oct 08 00:36:43 <schweeb> ninkendo: try using chvt
Oct 08 00:37:05 <schweeb> ninkendo: I've had an issue where the key shortcuts just don't work
Oct 08 00:37:25 <schweeb> or you can use ps to see if there are gettys running
Oct 08 00:42:38 <Interlude> Alphacheez: isn't that what he loved about dax?
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Oct 08 00:44:42 <Alphacheez> Interlude: I think so
Oct 08 00:45:08 <pulsar> ninkendo, if I'm not mistaken this is an nvidia driver side effect
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Oct 08 00:45:35 <pulsar> effects my fc6 too
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Oct 08 01:03:16 <Sophomore> ninkendo: it's an issue with xorg 7.3 I think
Oct 08 01:03:23 <Sophomore> (along with the aggravating keyboard leds issue)
Oct 08 01:03:48 <Sophomore> ninkendo: it works if you use Alt-SysRq R to switch the keyboard to raw mode prior to the ctrl-alt-fn keystroke
Oct 08 01:04:31 <Sophomore> I've had to resort to using a keyboard leds applet in my kicker panel
Oct 08 01:04:38 <emou> gg lunix
Oct 08 01:04:43 <Sophomore> goddamn xorg 7.3 was a very rushed release
Oct 08 01:04:51 <Sophomore> buggy piece of crap