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Oct 07 21:50:05 *	Sophomore (~Prototype@59.92.143.220) has joined #Linux
Oct 07 21:50:17 <Alphacheez>	hey, he's back
Oct 07 21:50:38 <Sophomore>	was ist?
Oct 07 21:50:45 *	Semaphore gives channel operator status to Sophomore
Oct 07 21:50:47 <Alphacheez>	how'd the restart go?
Oct 07 21:50:57 <Sophomore>	not well. I h8 grub >_<
Oct 07 21:51:02 <johnf>	inquiring linux minds want to know
Oct 07 21:51:06 <johnf>	ugh, grub issues eh
Oct 07 21:51:09 <Sophomore>	"GRUB Hard Disk Error"
Oct 07 21:51:10 <Sophomore>	yeah
Oct 07 21:51:18 <johnf>	ah, I haven't seen that one befoer
Oct 07 21:51:26 <johnf>	but I see it maintains the nice and fucking vague tradition
Oct 07 21:51:36 <Sophomore>	mostly because knoppix 5.2 with its 2.6.19.5 kernel and all-generic-ide has a different interpretation of BIOS drive numbers than the BIOS itself
Oct 07 21:51:41 <Sophomore>	I fucking hate grub.
Oct 07 21:52:03 <johnf>	did you get it to work?
Oct 07 21:52:10 <Sophomore>	I think the grub authors should be pummelled in the face with baseball bats until they are either dead or willing to provide a proper set of error messages
Oct 07 21:52:13 <johnf>	did you use the famous grub floppy to determine grub drive order?
Oct 07 21:52:13 <Sophomore>	no
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Oct 07 21:52:24 <Sophomore>	I have no idea what that is.
Oct 07 21:52:25 <johnf>	can you get into the grub shell?
Oct 07 21:52:25 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: this is probably recoverable.
Oct 07 21:52:31 <Sophomore>	johnf: no.
Oct 07 21:52:32 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: you boot grub off a floppy so it's using the bios
Oct 07 21:52:37 <LordHunter317>	figure out what each drive is
Oct 07 21:52:45 <LordHunter317>	and then you can update the device mapping on your linux install.
Oct 07 21:52:52 <Sophomore>	well, I already know the proper device mapping
Oct 07 21:52:53 <LordHunter317>	or, just reinstall from the floppy.
Oct 07 21:53:00 <Sophomore>	grub in knoppix refuses to use said device mapping
Oct 07 21:53:10 <LordHunter317>	you should be using grub from your chroot, always.
Oct 07 21:53:11 <Sophomore>	because grub is an asstastic piece of shit
Oct 07 21:53:15 <LordHunter317>	always, always, always, always.
Oct 07 21:53:18 <Sophomore>	no, that doesn't work.
Oct 07 21:53:22 <LordHunter317>	how does that not work?
Oct 07 21:53:25 <Sophomore>	you need to use --root-directory=/blah
Oct 07 21:53:28 <LordHunter317>	i've only done it a billion times.
Oct 07 21:53:31 <LordHunter317>	no.
Oct 07 21:53:32 <Sophomore>	because it depends on /etc/mtab.
Oct 07 21:53:33 <Sophomore>	yes.
Oct 07 21:53:34 <LordHunter317>	no.
Oct 07 21:53:37 <Sophomore>	yes.
Oct 07 21:53:39 <LordHunter317>	no.
Oct 07 21:53:44 <Sophomore>	yes ad nauseam
Oct 07 21:53:44 <LordHunter317>	waht the fuck did you run?
Oct 07 21:53:57 <Sophomore>	grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda
Oct 07 21:54:07 <Sophomore>	root-directory takes care of the chrooting
Oct 07 21:54:15 <Sophomore>	inside the chroot it can't figure out what /boot is
Oct 07 21:54:23 <Sophomore>	despite the fact that /proc and /dev are --bind mounted
Oct 07 21:54:29 <Sophomore>	and /etc/mtab has an entry.
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Oct 07 21:54:32 <Sophomore>	as does /etc/fstab.
Oct 07 21:54:35 <Sophomore>	it's just too stupid
Oct 07 21:54:53 <Sophomore>	I've actually NEVER been able to get grub to install from within a chroot, and I've ALWAYS had to use --root-directory
Oct 07 21:54:57 <LordHunter317>	i didn't mtab inside /usr/sbin/grub-install.
Oct 07 21:55:00 <LordHunter317>	didn't find, that is.
Oct 07 21:55:06 <LordHunter317>	and you shouldn't use it once grub is is installed
Oct 07 21:55:10 <Sophomore>	well, it does something that plain doesn't work
Oct 07 21:55:16 <Sophomore>	can you start typing in English?
Oct 07 21:55:18 <LordHunter317>	chroot in, run /sbin/grub, and run setup from within the shell.
Oct 07 21:55:24 <Sophomore>	ugh
Oct 07 21:55:34 <Sophomore>	grub-install is supposed to be the "right" way
Oct 07 21:55:35 <LordHunter317>	that is, in fact, what grub-setup does to install the bootloader.
Oct 07 21:55:42 <Sophomore>	what grub-setup?
Oct 07 21:55:45 <Sophomore>	grub-install.
Oct 07 21:55:51 <Sophomore>	stop being such a lordhumper.
Oct 07 21:56:42 <Sophomore>	btw I did install using the grub shell.
Oct 07 21:56:45 <Sophomore>	the issue is this
Oct 07 21:57:02 <Sophomore>	I booted off the CDROM
Oct 07 21:57:08 <Sophomore>	so my PATA hard disk became 0x80
Oct 07 21:57:21 <Sophomore>	and my SATA hard disk (<-- the one with the install) became 0x81
Oct 07 21:57:34 <Sophomore>	when I'm booting off the hard disk the BIOS maps it to 0x80.
Oct 07 21:57:45 <Sophomore>	this means that even the grub floppy won't get it right.
Oct 07 21:57:47 <LordHunter317>	right, fine.  so you can fix that, but you're not goign to be doing it with grub-install.
Oct 07 21:57:52 <LordHunter317>	yes, it will.
Oct 07 21:57:56 <LordHunter317>	the grugb floppy uses the BIOS mappings
Oct 07 21:57:59 <LordHunter317>	how can it use anything else?
Oct 07 21:58:00 <Sophomore>	what I need to do is to tell grub, look here, dipshit, THIS drive is going to be 0x80.
Oct 07 21:58:15 <Sophomore>	the bios mappings differ based on what drive you're booting off.
Oct 07 21:58:25 <Sophomore>	if you boot off a removable it's according to PCI scan
Oct 07 21:58:35 <Sophomore>	if it boots off one of the hard disks my BIOS maps THAT to 0x80
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Oct 07 21:58:39 <Sophomore>	to make windows happy.
Oct 07 21:58:47 <Sophomore>	hence why the grub floppy will not work
Oct 07 21:58:49 <LordHunter317>	you can still map from withing the floppy.
Oct 07 21:58:55 <Sophomore>	because the mappings it sees are incorrect
Oct 07 21:59:05 <Sophomore>	if so I can do it from the grub shell within knx too
Oct 07 21:59:09 <Sophomore>	no floppy required.
Oct 07 21:59:14 <LordHunter317>	and passing the d to the installer should make it irrelevant anyway.
Oct 07 21:59:26 <Sophomore>	speak english pls
Oct 07 21:59:29 <johnf>	in conclusion
Oct 07 21:59:31 <johnf>	grub sucks
Oct 07 21:59:36 <Sophomore>	yes. yes it does.
Oct 07 21:59:45 <Noth>	johnf: the grub installer sucks, the rest of it is fine
Oct 07 21:59:46 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: build a valid, correct, sane device.map
Oct 07 21:59:50 <Sophomore>	I swear, I haven't had half the issues with lilo that I've had with grub. sigh.
Oct 07 21:59:54 <cbaoth>	Noth++
Oct 07 21:59:57 <johnf>	Noth: nah, I'm inclined to disagree
Oct 07 21:59:59 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: it is a valid, correct, sane device.map.
Oct 07 22:00:03 <johnf>	it sucks, it's installer sucks more
Oct 07 22:00:08 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: the problem is with grub itself
Oct 07 22:00:09 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: post it.
Oct 07 22:00:22 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: when I do setup (hd0,1) it doesn't refer to device.map.
Oct 07 22:00:25 <Noth>	johnf: ah so you're taking the lh stance that everything sucks and you're just trying to decide on the level of sucktitude?
Oct 07 22:00:28 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: it goes straight to the BIOS
Oct 07 22:00:37 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: figures out, oh, this doesn't have stage1
Oct 07 22:00:42 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: and gives up
Oct 07 22:00:52 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: even though at boot time, that device IS what will have it
Oct 07 22:00:53 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: what the flying fuck are you talking about?
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Oct 07 22:01:10 <LordHunter317>	in Linux, device.map is always used and preferred
Oct 07 22:01:12 <johnf>	Noth: he didn't exactly invent that stance
Oct 07 22:01:16 <LordHunter317>	you can tell it any mappings you fucking please.
Oct 07 22:01:19 <LordHunter317>	and it will obey them.
Oct 07 22:01:24 <Noth>	johnf: no, but he's the most vocal about it around here
Oct 07 22:01:25 <Sophomore>	LordHunter317: not when setting up evidently.
Oct 07 22:02:33 <LordHunter317>	that's not waht the documentation implies.
Oct 07 22:02:40 <LordHunter317>	and without showing me exaclty what you ran, it's hard to tell
Oct 07 22:02:43 <LordHunter317>	or the map file, for that matter.
Oct 07 22:02:56 <Sophomore>	I can't paste immediately right now
Oct 07 22:03:01 <Sophomore>	give me ten minutes
Oct 07 22:03:02 <johnf>	windi: your russian friend are sending me more spam than ever to my work address
Oct 07 22:03:04 <johnf>	tell them to stop
Oct 07 22:03:10 <johnf>	or I will be forced to make an example of you
Oct 07 22:03:41 <johnf>	(at least wierd unicode characters sort last, it makes it easy to remove them)
Oct 07 22:03:51 <Sophomore>	it's immensely annoying to do all this shit because knoppix has zero evms support oob and my wonderful 256/64 means it takes fucking ages to apt-get update so I can finally install evms
Oct 07 22:04:05 <johnf>	you used evms?
Oct 07 22:04:14 <Sophomore>	for my root and home fses, yes
Oct 07 22:04:17 <Sophomore>	for /boot, no
Oct 07 22:04:41 <Sophomore>	(well, in the sense that it's a compatibility volume inside evms, but as far as anything else is concerned it's a regular partition with ext3)
Oct 07 22:05:01 <johnf>	forgive me, compatability volume?
Oct 07 22:05:05 <johnf>	where do you mount it out of?
Oct 07 22:05:13 <Sophomore>	i.e. not a native EVMS volume
Oct 07 22:05:17 <johnf>	is it a EVMS volume, a lvm volume, something else?
Oct 07 22:05:24 <Sophomore>	it shows up as /dev/evms/sda2
Oct 07 22:05:25 <schweeb>	yea, you lost me too
Oct 07 22:05:25 <johnf>	because I know you were talking about growing and shit, right?
Oct 07 22:05:30 <Sophomore>	it's a regular PC partition.
Oct 07 22:05:36 <Sophomore>	/boot is specifically
Oct 07 22:05:49 <Sophomore>	/ and /home are LVM2 volumes managed by EVMS.
Oct 07 22:06:01 <johnf>	ah, I see
Oct 07 22:07:23 <Sophomore>	debian's grub has evms support
Oct 07 22:07:43 <Sophomore>	so it can handle evms volumes as well as "compatibility" ones according to the boot guide on evms.sf.net
Oct 07 22:08:03 <Sophomore>	er, no, the reference was on wiki.debian.org
Oct 07 22:08:09 <Sophomore>	regarding doing an EVMS install
Oct 07 22:10:18 <johnf>	hmm, but you don't really need the EVMS support
Oct 07 22:10:27 <johnf>	as the volumes are LVM2, they're just managed by EVMS
Oct 07 22:10:28 <johnf>	right?
Oct 07 22:10:32 <Sophomore>	lvm would've been sufficient.
Oct 07 22:10:34 <Sophomore>	yes
Oct 07 22:10:46 <Sophomore>	in any case, I have no doubt I'd have seen the same issue with lvm
Oct 07 22:10:47 <johnf>	of course, none of this is getting you closer to running grub
Oct 07 22:10:58 <Sophomore>	since at this stage it's nowhere near even hitting the root fs
Oct 07 22:11:17 <Sophomore>	and as far as grub is concerned /boot is a regular 1980s partition
Oct 07 22:11:48 <johnf>	I miss the 80s
Oct 07 22:11:54 <johnf>	things were simpler then
Oct 07 22:12:02 <johnf>	of course, I was < 12, so that probably helped
Oct 07 22:12:21 <Sophomore>	I feel as if I should just set up a GPT on this thing and go elilo
Oct 07 22:12:29 <Sophomore>	my bios supports UEFI
Oct 07 22:12:44 <cbaoth>	Fancy pants.
Oct 07 22:12:59 <johnf>	hmm
Oct 07 22:13:03 <Sophomore>	that probably has a better chance of working :p
Oct 07 22:13:04 <johnf>	I guess that means mine does too
Oct 07 22:13:14 <Sophomore>	yeah, it's an option in the BIOS setup
Oct 07 22:14:14 <cbaoth>	Same mb?
Oct 07 22:14:35 <johnf>	very similar
Oct 07 22:14:40 <johnf>	i have mATX
Oct 07 22:14:42 <johnf>	soph does
Oct 07 22:14:45 <johnf>	doesn't
Oct 07 22:15:03 <johnf>	wow, the E2160 even has EM64T
Oct 07 22:15:10 <cbaoth>	nub.
Oct 07 22:15:17 <johnf>	does ti have vt?
Oct 07 22:15:18 <cbaoth>	It's Intel 64!
Oct 07 22:15:25 <Alphacheez>	yes, E2160 is just missing VT and a huge chunk of cache
Oct 07 22:15:27 <cbaoth>	I don't think so.
Oct 07 22:15:31 <johnf>	ah, that's it
Oct 07 22:15:33 <cbaoth>	E4xxx doesn't.
Oct 07 22:15:36 <johnf>	cache is for nubs
Oct 07 22:15:43 <johnf>	;)
Oct 07 22:15:54 <johnf>	hmm, there doesn't seem to be much I can do to speed boot on this
Oct 07 22:16:08 <Alphacheez>	cache probably matters very little for streaming video processing, but I'm not sure
Oct 07 22:16:27 <cbaoth>	So it wouldn't make sense for the pentium e's to have vt... of course, asking intel's product line to make sense might be asking a bit much.
Oct 07 22:16:27 <johnf>	probably depends, playback, doubtful
Oct 07 22:16:43 <johnf>	cbaoth: /intel/any tech company/
Oct 07 22:17:00 <johnf>	ref: ATI, AMD, Nvidia, etc...
Oct 07 22:17:06 <schweeb>	oh boy
Oct 07 22:17:08 <Alphacheez>	encoding also probably doesn't need much cache; just needs to keep the processor fed
Oct 07 22:17:13 <cbaoth>	Streaming data, so you just want your codec + glue to fit in cache.
Oct 07 22:17:20 <schweeb>	UAW may be striking against chrysler next... ;_;
Oct 07 22:17:34 <johnf>	this box doesn't do anything other than play video
Oct 07 22:17:38 <schweeb>	I may be crossing some picket lines to get to work
Oct 07 22:17:54 <johnf>	though I may find a way to use that powerhouse of a proc a bit more
Oct 07 22:18:04 <Alphacheez>	johnf: the E2160 is just for the frontend?
Oct 07 22:18:10 <johnf>	yeah
Oct 07 22:18:13 <johnf>	diskless frontend
Oct 07 22:18:19 <cbaoth>	johnf: 1080p 'movies'
Oct 07 22:18:35 <johnf>	cbaoth: to my SD tv?
Oct 07 22:18:39 <cbaoth>	Yes.
Oct 07 22:18:48 <cbaoth>	Over composite.
Oct 07 22:18:55 <johnf>	lol
Oct 07 22:19:06 <johnf>	with mono audio!
Oct 07 22:19:10 <Alphacheez>	cbaoth: can you feel the data not being used? and you somehow relish in it...
Oct 07 22:19:50 <Alphacheez>	send the audio over monochannel Hello Kitty earphones
Oct 07 22:20:03 <cbaoth>	!g hello kitty tv
Oct 07 22:20:03 <Willow>	URL: http://www.amazon.com/Hello-Kitty-13%2522-Color-KT2113/dp/B00009LZP8
Oct 07 22:20:24 <cbaoth>	There's your new tv johnf.
Oct 07 22:20:36 <Alphacheez>	I got my GF a Hello Kitty iPod Dock Speaker system, it's primary use is as a recharging station
Oct 07 22:21:04 <Alphacheez>	hey, hello kitty is pretty fuckin' tech saavy
Oct 07 22:21:23 <Alphacheez>	I wonder if she is as pedantic as LH317 or Sophomore...probably
Oct 07 22:22:12 <Alphacheez>	that TV even comes with Rabbit Ears that sophomore is going on about
Oct 07 22:22:39 <phin>	i dated a girl with a hello kitty waffle maker and toilet seat and all of that
Oct 07 22:22:43 <phin>	that lasted about a day or 2
Oct 07 22:23:45 <yugami>	my ex GF had a hello kitty vibrator
Oct 07 22:23:45 <johnf>	;p;
Oct 07 22:23:48 <yugami>	much cooler
Oct 07 22:23:58 <johnf>	ok, I'm out to see my grandmother
Oct 07 22:23:59 <johnf>	bbl
Oct 07 22:24:18 <yugami>	glad I could use the word vibrator right before he goes to his grandma's
Oct 07 22:24:56 <whiprush>	heh
Oct 07 22:25:12 <yugami>	wad up george
Oct 07 22:25:31 <whiprush>	not much
Oct 07 22:25:32 <whiprush>	you?
Oct 07 22:25:39 <yugami>	just tinkering around
Oct 07 22:25:51 <yugami>	http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtocc/
Oct 07 22:25:52 <Willow>	Title: SourceForge.net: QtOpenCascade
Oct 07 22:26:08 <yugami>	starting to work on this with a guy I've been talking to about it since last winter
Oct 07 22:26:16 <yugami>	he hasn't uploaded the code yet
Oct 07 22:26:32 <whiprush>	thought you weren't a Qt fan, heh
Oct 07 22:26:42 <yugami>	best x-platform toolkit
Oct 07 22:26:43 <whiprush>	but that was like 3 years ago now
Oct 07 22:27:14 <yugami>	I still like gtkmm best in terms of architecture but this is crossplatform and qt's easier for that
Oct 07 22:27:34 <whiprush>	we are missing the gnome summit!
Oct 07 22:28:08 <yugami>	besides, he started the code, i just made it work on linux
Oct 07 22:28:21 <whiprush>	coo
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Oct 07 22:28:57 <yugami>	I've been using the agony that is qcad today to teach myself a lesson 
Oct 07 22:29:26 <whiprush>	hmmm, you know, I won't miss supporting cad packages
Oct 07 22:29:40 <yugami>	where do you work now?
Oct 07 22:29:58 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: you ready for some help?  because I need to disappear in a few minutes.
Oct 07 22:30:13 <whiprush>	yugami: I work on ubuntu now fulltime
Oct 07 22:30:33 <Semaphore>	LordHunter317: http://pastebin.ca/729215
Oct 07 22:30:35 <Willow>	Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729215
Oct 07 22:30:44 <Semaphore>	LordHunter317: as you can see grub seems to completely ignore device.map
Oct 07 22:30:50 <yugami>	oh THATS why it's goind down hill
Oct 07 22:30:58 <yugami>	;)
Oct 07 22:30:58 <whiprush>	heh
Oct 07 22:31:13 <LordHunter317>	Semaphore: sda is the sata drive?
Oct 07 22:31:20 <Semaphore>	yes
Oct 07 22:31:34 <LordHunter317>	if so, why the bloddy hell did you install to the IDE drive?
Oct 07 22:31:40 <Semaphore>	I didn't.
Oct 07 22:31:43 <Semaphore>	that's the thing.
Oct 07 22:31:48 <LordHunter317>	i see you listing (hd0) and installing to (hd1).
Oct 07 22:31:51 <Semaphore>	yes
Oct 07 22:31:54 <Semaphore>	notice find?
Oct 07 22:32:01 <Semaphore>	that looks for /grub/stage1.
Oct 07 22:32:08 <Semaphore>	there is exactly one instance of it.
Oct 07 22:32:13 <Semaphore>	on the SATA drive.
Oct 07 22:32:28 <LordHunter317>	i don't think that's meant to be used inside Linux.
Oct 07 22:32:50 <Semaphore>	let me pastebin what happens when I try to install on (hd0,1), which is what it is when it's booting off that hard disk.
Oct 07 22:33:19 <yugami>	whiprush, so what do you do for ubuntu?
Oct 07 22:34:00 <Semaphore>	LordHunter317: then what is?
Oct 07 22:34:02 <Semaphore>	http://pastebin.ca/729218
Oct 07 22:34:03 <Willow>	Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729218
Oct 07 22:34:14 <Semaphore>	note how it doesn't find /grub/stage1
Oct 07 22:34:28 <Semaphore>	(because that's a 75GB partition on the IDE drive)
Oct 07 22:34:37 <Semaphore>	(which doesn't have grub on it)
Oct 07 22:35:41 <LordHunter317>	and if you run the shell and explicitly give the device.map?
Oct 07 22:35:47 <whiprush>	yugami: community development stuff, specifically with upstreams (kde, gnome, xorg, etc)
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Oct 07 22:36:17 <yugami>	fun
Oct 07 22:36:23 <yugami>	putting up with whiny bitches all day
Oct 07 22:36:28 <whiprush>	heh
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Oct 07 22:36:58 <Semaphore>	http://pastebin.ca/729222 <--w00t
Oct 07 22:36:59 <Willow>	Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729222
Oct 07 22:37:05 <Semaphore>	thanks for the idea
Oct 07 22:37:18 <LordHunter317>	it ought to use that anyway, odd it didn't.
Oct 07 22:37:22 <LordHunter317>	/anyway/
Oct 07 22:37:22 <Semaphore>	I had no idea grub shell was too retarded to be able to automatically use /boot/grub/device.map[
Oct 07 22:37:26 <LordHunter317>	as a backup
Oct 07 22:37:31 <whiprush>	yugami: lots of travel soon though
Oct 07 22:37:33 <whiprush>	should be fun
Oct 07 22:37:35 <LordHunter317>	you can try running within the shell:
Oct 07 22:38:12 <LordHunter317>	#
Oct 07 22:38:13 <LordHunter317>	install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu
Oct 07 22:38:13 <LordHunter317>	#
Oct 07 22:38:18 <LordHunter317>	whoops, sorry, one sec
Oct 07 22:38:47 <Semaphore>	that's kind of what it ran itself :p
Oct 07 22:38:54 <LordHunter317>	install /grub/stage1 d (hd1) (hd1)1+16 p (hd1,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst
Oct 07 22:38:59 <LordHunter317>	note how I added the 'd'
Oct 07 22:39:02 <Semaphore>	hd1?
Oct 07 22:39:06 <Semaphore>	hd0.
Oct 07 22:39:14 <LordHunter317>	Semaphore: this is from before, when it wasn't using the device.map.
Oct 07 22:39:40 <LordHunter317>	'd' tells grub to not just look at the drive it booted off, but to search for where it ought to be.
Oct 07 22:39:50 <Semaphore>	grub> install /grub/stage1 d (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.>
Oct 07 22:39:50 <Semaphore>	grub>
Oct 07 22:39:54 <Semaphore>	no news is good news?
Oct 07 22:39:58 <LordHunter317>	well, yes.
Oct 07 22:40:02 <Semaphore>	k
Oct 07 22:40:16 <LordHunter317>	anyway, as I was going to say,running it wiht that 'd' with or without the device.map ought to fix it if the device.map by itself didn't.
Oct 07 22:40:22 <LordHunter317>	as it changes the searching.
Oct 07 22:40:29 <LordHunter317>	hopefully this works, though.
Oct 07 22:40:36 <Semaphore>	time to give it the old college try
Oct 07 22:40:38 <Semaphore>	brb
Oct 07 22:40:53 <LordHunter317>	ok, i ought to be here for a minute or two when you come back.
Oct 07 22:45:10 <windi>	you need to do a /name LordHumper
Oct 07 22:45:23 <LordHunter317>	pretty sure my gf would agree with that.
Oct 07 22:45:49 <Sophomore>	well, it managed to get to stage2
Oct 07 22:46:13 <Sophomore>	now when I try to boot the kernel grub bitches about not being able to find the root fs (which is on lvm)
Oct 07 22:46:50 <LordHunter317>	i'ts probably trying to set the root to / instead of /boot
Oct 07 22:46:54 <LordHunter317>	which you can fix.
Oct 07 22:47:03 <Sophomore>	?
Oct 07 22:48:05 <LordHunter317>	the grub 'root' command is superflorous to booting the kernel.
Oct 07 22:48:17 <LordHunter317>	it's actually not necessary for anything, it just saves you from absolute paths.
Oct 07 22:48:28 <Sophomore>	still not following you
Oct 07 22:48:36 <LordHunter317>	what iscommand is grub failing on?
Oct 07 22:48:37 <windi>	you put / on lvm?
Oct 07 22:48:40 <LordHunter317>	a 'root' command
Oct 07 22:48:44 <LordHunter317>	or the 'kernel' command?
Oct 07 22:48:46 <Sophomore>	it's not a syntax issue.
Oct 07 22:48:54 <Sophomore>	"Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition."
Oct 07 22:49:03 <LordHunter317>	but on what line?
Oct 07 22:49:29 <Sophomore>	it lists both
Oct 07 22:49:50 <Sophomore>	the root line, followed by grub saying "this is partition type 0x8e)
Oct 07 22:49:52 <Sophomore>	followed by
Oct 07 22:49:54 <Sophomore>	the kernel line
Oct 07 22:50:00 <Sophomore>	then "Error 17".
Oct 07 22:50:02 <Sophomore>	hm.
Oct 07 22:50:03 <LordHunter317>	and the root line is?
Oct 07 22:50:07 <Sophomore>	I may have the root line wrong
Oct 07 22:50:08 <Sophomore>	let me go check
Oct 07 22:50:11 <LordHunter317>	that;'s what I'm telling you.
Oct 07 22:50:21 <LordHunter317>	root is likely pointing to the / partition, not /boot
Oct 07 22:50:23 <Sophomore>	you're clear as mud, has anyone told you that?
Oct 07 22:50:23 <LordHunter317>	point it at /boot
Oct 07 22:50:41 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: the 'root' grub command is equivalent to 'cd' for grub, ok?
Oct 07 22:50:59 <LordHunter317>	you don't even have to use it.
Oct 07 22:51:17 <LordHunter317>	if you say (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-2.6.22-whatever root=blah 
Oct 07 22:51:22 <Sophomore>	that was it, as well as another thing
Oct 07 22:51:32 <LordHunter317>	err kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-whatever root=blah
Oct 07 22:51:34 <Sophomore>	it was listed as /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.img
Oct 07 22:51:35 <Sophomore>	the thing is
Oct 07 22:51:40 <Sophomore>	this is generated by update-grub
Oct 07 22:51:58 <Sophomore>	so I need some way to tell _update-grub_ to do the right thing generating these entries
Oct 07 22:52:08 <LordHunter317>	edit the menu.lst
Oct 07 22:52:11 <LordHunter317>	fix the groot= line
Oct 07 22:52:24 <Sophomore>	that's one part
Oct 07 22:52:27 <Sophomore>	how do I fix the other?
Oct 07 22:52:40 <Sophomore>	(where it provides absolute pathnames to the kernel and initramfs)
Oct 07 22:53:02 <LordHunter317>	I think it's smart enough to do the right thing.
Oct 07 22:53:08 <Sophomore>	ok, let me tryh
Oct 07 22:53:11 <Sophomore>	this thing is booting :D
Oct 07 22:53:12 <LordHunter317>	least, when I was running /boot and LVM on /, it did.
Oct 07 22:53:23 <Sophomore>	thanks for the help btw
Oct 07 22:53:28 <LordHunter317>	bo
Oct 07 22:53:30 <LordHunter317>	err np
Oct 07 22:54:08 <LordHunter317>	just run update-grub and check the file it generates after making the change.
Oct 07 22:54:14 <Sophomore>	ugh, the splashscreen renders in text mode
Oct 07 22:54:27 <Sophomore>	(ew)
Oct 07 22:54:48 <Sophomore>	think I need fbcon and a vga= line
Oct 07 22:54:57 <LordHunter317>	the grub splashscreen?
Oct 07 22:55:45 <chip>	man. Chicago and Philly both got swept.
Oct 07 22:56:00 <LordHunter317>	my friend next cube over is going to be pissed.
Oct 07 22:56:11 <chip>	I don't even know who to pull for now.
Oct 07 22:56:42 <johnnyace>	I was shopping for a radio control car for my nephew, and I found a tank loaded with 10 nerf missles.  
Oct 07 22:56:51 <johnnyace>	Best uncle, ever.
Oct 07 22:57:21 <chip>	motherfucker. LSU won yesterday too.
Oct 07 22:58:56 <LordHunter317>	Sophomore: the grub splashscreen you can't do anything about.
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Oct 07 23:03:29 <yugami>	johnnyace, sweet
Oct 07 23:06:36 <Semaphore>	LordHunter317: going to try fbcon with a vga= mode setting
Oct 07 23:06:45 <Semaphore>	LordHunter317: and thanks, groot fixed both issues
Oct 07 23:06:53 <Semaphore>	wish grub were as smart as update-grub :p
Oct 07 23:07:11 <LordHunter317>	Semaphore: for the grub splashimage? won't work.
Oct 07 23:07:16 <LordHunter317>	it's displayed by grub, not the kernel.
Oct 07 23:10:28 <windi>	stupid resume question, if a company I worked at once got renamed, I put the old name on, right?
Oct 07 23:10:47 <boskone>	That's enough twilight princess for one day; this part sucks w/o arrows
Oct 07 23:10:54 <schweeb>	windi: I would imagine so
Oct 07 23:11:02 <boskone>	windi: both, I would think.  Something like Original Name (now New Name)
Oct 07 23:11:12 <LordHunter317>	windi: do they still trade under the old name?
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Oct 07 23:11:34 <LordHunter317>	seems better to be current trading name (formerly blah)
Oct 07 23:12:42 <windi>	stupid russian owners renaming the company
Oct 07 23:12:46 <boskone>	Maybe; I figure it would be better to use old (now new) so that they know that you worked for 'em under the old name
Oct 07 23:12:56 <LordHunter317>	it seems obvious if you use both
Oct 07 23:13:06 <boskone>	!8 twilight princess or ffvii
Oct 07 23:13:06 <Willow>	boskone: Both/All.
Oct 07 23:13:07 <LordHunter317>	but i'd make the name they're going to find your former employer under more prominent.
Oct 07 23:13:19 <boskone>	not at _all_ helpful
Oct 07 23:13:28 <cbaoth>	windi: Putin Corp?
Oct 07 23:13:32 <windi>	rol
Oct 07 23:13:34 <windi>	no
Oct 07 23:13:38 <windi>	random oligarch corp
Oct 07 23:13:47 <windi>	actually
Oct 07 23:13:56 <windi>	the old name was Strom Telecom
Oct 07 23:14:14 <windi>	the new name is Sitronics Telecom Solutions, part of Sitronics, part of ASC Sistema
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Oct 07 23:15:50 <windi>	er AFK Sistema
Oct 07 23:15:59 <boskone>	...afk?  rofl
Oct 07 23:16:01 <boskone>	ominous name
Oct 07 23:16:06 <windi>	ASC is a telecom company based in my home village
Oct 07 23:16:28 <boskone>	"128/64 service: 2 chickens, 1 goat setup fee"
Oct 07 23:16:44 <windi>	rol no
Oct 07 23:17:02 <boskone>	that'd be awesome, though
Oct 07 23:17:06 <windi>	they do recording shit
Oct 07 23:17:07 <boskone>	unprofitable, but awesome
Oct 07 23:17:11 <boskone>	ah
Oct 07 23:17:17 <windi>	http://www.asctelecom.com/english/index_e.html
Oct 07 23:17:18 <Willow>	Title: ASC telecom - Communications Recording and Quality Monitoring
Oct 07 23:27:34 <johnf>	ooh
Oct 07 23:27:37 <johnf>	Sophomore: you all grubed up now?
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Oct 07 23:29:40 <johnf>	grub has caused us a lot of issues too
Oct 07 23:29:49 <johnf>	"can't find stage 1.5" my fucking ass
Oct 07 23:30:07 <cbaoth>	Beats LI LI LI LI LI LI LI LI
Oct 07 23:30:14 <johnf>	lol
Oct 07 23:30:25 <johnf>	my personal favourite was always:
Oct 07 23:30:29 <johnf>	LI<hex abortion>
Oct 07 23:30:31 <cbaoth>	Or the dreaded LI 01 01 01 01 01 01
Oct 07 23:30:33 <schweeb>	cbaoth++
Oct 07 23:31:06 <cbaoth>	That's not to say that grub is flawless, installation is poop.
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Oct 07 23:34:23 <Noth>	-
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Oct 07 23:35:15 <windi>	heh
Oct 07 23:35:26 <windi>	"good" old lilo
Oct 07 23:35:42 <lostnihilist>	meh, grub has never been as painful as LILO, despite some minor installation issues (especially w/ xfs)
Oct 07 23:35:43 <windi>	I remember installing a new kernel and then forgetting to run lilo
Oct 07 23:35:52 <cbaoth>	windi++
Oct 07 23:35:56 <lostnihilist>	done that
Oct 07 23:36:18 <lostnihilist>	i've also seen lilo mess with my MBR enough to make windows think i had stolen it
Oct 07 23:36:43 <lostnihilist>	that was actually my last windows install. i just got so pissed that I could be kicked out of my own computer I just formatted on top of it
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Oct 07 23:46:12 <Alphacheez>	 i am sexually attracted to my mother
Oct 07 23:46:24 <Alphacheez>	she has nice tatas
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Oct 07 23:53:32 <johnf>	you disgust me
Oct 07 23:55:06 <Alphacheez>	 my roommate has an interesting sense of humor
Oct 07 23:55:14 <johnf>	and access to your keyboard?
Oct 07 23:55:17 <Alphacheez>	yes
Oct 07 23:55:37 <johnf>	http://bash.org/?5775
Oct 07 23:55:39 <Willow>	Title: QDB: Quote #5775
Oct 07 23:56:05 <TheRock|Home>	pwned
Oct 07 23:56:14 <Alphacheez>	exactly
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Oct 07 23:56:28 <johnf>	I assume tatas = titties
Oct 07 23:56:33 <TheRock|Home>	yes
Oct 07 23:56:50 <TheRock|Home>	haven't you seen the breast cancer awareness stuff?
Oct 07 23:56:57 <TheRock|Home>	'save the ta-tas'?
Oct 07 23:57:21 <Alphacheez>	johnf is clearly a barbarian for not knowing such vocab
Oct 07 23:57:40 <boskone>	TheRock|Home: there's a place in town that's selling pink "I <3 (*)(*)" shirts
Oct 07 23:57:42 <chip>	TheRock|Home: canadians are above such vocabulary.
Oct 08 00:00:08 <johnf>	boskone: lol
Oct 08 00:00:48 <TheRock|Home>	boskone, rol
Oct 08 00:01:08 <TheRock|Home>	note to self: beat roommate badly
Oct 08 00:01:27 <Alphacheez>	oh man, this episode of TNG is hilarious; the planet of people who have sex at the drop of a hat, the outfits are o.O
Oct 08 00:01:48 <TheRock|Home>	pics
Oct 08 00:02:31 <Alphacheez>	the episode is called "Justice" I'm looking now
Oct 08 00:02:39 <Alphacheez>	it's season 1 episode 8
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Oct 08 00:05:35 <johnf>	bbl, parents
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Oct 08 00:20:20 <Alphacheez>	Worf: "With earth females I must restrain myself too much, they are quite fragile." ROL
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Oct 08 00:26:07 <windi>	I don't know whether to laugh or cry at star trek sex jokes
Oct 08 00:26:35 <Alphacheez>	it's so blatantly bad, I love it
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Oct 08 00:31:37 <ninkendo>	are the linux virtual terminals (ctrl+alt+f1-f6) disabled on purpose in gutsy?
Oct 08 00:31:43 <ninkendo>	because they're not there for me.
Oct 08 00:32:04 <ninkendo>	but they work when I boot single-user and do "init 2"
Oct 08 00:33:26 <ninkendo>	hmm, it might have something to do with the vga=795 option I'm choosing
Oct 08 00:33:34 <ninkendo>	or maybe the splash option disables vt's now
Oct 08 00:35:49 <rick_h>	I had that issue early in gutsy
Oct 08 00:36:43 <schweeb>	ninkendo: try using chvt
Oct 08 00:37:05 <schweeb>	ninkendo: I've had an issue where the key shortcuts just don't work
Oct 08 00:37:25 <schweeb>	or you can use ps to see if there are gettys running
Oct 08 00:42:38 <Interlude>	Alphacheez: isn't that what he loved about dax?
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Oct 08 00:44:42 <Alphacheez>	Interlude: I think so
Oct 08 00:45:08 <pulsar>	ninkendo, if I'm not mistaken this is an nvidia driver side effect
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Oct 08 00:45:35 <pulsar>	effects my fc6 too
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Oct 08 01:03:16 <Sophomore>	ninkendo: it's an issue with xorg 7.3 I think
Oct 08 01:03:23 <Sophomore>	(along with the aggravating keyboard leds issue)
Oct 08 01:03:48 <Sophomore>	ninkendo: it works if you use Alt-SysRq R to switch the keyboard to raw mode prior to the ctrl-alt-fn keystroke
Oct 08 01:04:31 <Sophomore>	I've had to resort to using a keyboard leds applet in my kicker panel
Oct 08 01:04:38 <emou>	gg lunix
Oct 08 01:04:43 <Sophomore>	goddamn xorg 7.3 was a very rushed release
Oct 08 01:04:51 <Sophomore>	buggy piece of crap