Session Start: Sat Oct 06 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: Gnauren
[00:01] <Gnauren> Well, are you going to tell me why it matters? =P
[00:01] <07schlumpf|_> Its just a bit strange, that the best ones never release something but a few screens and a promo 90% made in some other app without the wow-engine.
[00:02] <Gnauren> (I just want to know)
[00:02] <Gnauren> There were a bunch of Maya Renders in there with WoW Models and other assets
[00:02] <07schlumpf|_> I know.
[00:02] <Gnauren> Is that it, though?
[00:02] <07schlumpf|_> THat is what i meant ... Its just some machinima. Nothing to do with WorldBuilding ..
[00:03] <Gnauren> Well, it wasn't meant to be about World Building specifically
[00:03] <07schlumpf|_> It was about the whole Gm, i know ...
[00:03] <Gnauren> You'll notice a bunch of Exploration stuff if you watch it again
[00:03] <Gnauren> It also wasn't meant to show off things; it was simply a promo
[00:03] <Gnauren> Duracell doesn't show how their batteries work in their commercials
[00:03] <Gnauren> They rarely even show their batteries in things
[00:04] <07schlumpf|_> But it does not really show off something but a few clips out of some exploration-raw-videos and some work in maya ...
[00:04] <Gnauren> As far as I know, no one seems to have a problem with their promotions, so I don't see a problem with a general promotion of the community
[00:04] <Gnauren> That's the thing, though
[00:04] <Gnauren> It wasn't meant to show off
[00:04] <07schlumpf|_> mmh k ...
[00:04] <Gnauren> Which also goes back to why we don't release alot of things
[00:05] <Gnauren> Instead of spending all our time trying to figure out what next awesome thing to do so we can show off to the whole world and become mega superstars or whatever, we learn and make neat things we actually want to make
[00:06] <Gnauren> That is, we do what we do for fun or as a creative outlet or whatever, not so we can participate in a popularity contest
[00:06] <07schlumpf|_> i just wonder why you do that behind doors, that are secured that much.
[00:06] <Gnauren> We only became so secured because we had past issues
[00:06] <Gnauren> We didn't start out with PGP
[00:06] <Gnauren> And then a really icky person lied and tricked some poor guy into giving him his password
[00:06] <Gnauren> By changing it, giving, then changing it back
[00:06] <Gnauren> Who then stole the Toolkit and other stuff
[00:07] <07schlumpf|_> Whatever ...
[00:07] <Gnauren> That, among other things, is why we do stuff like PGP
[00:07] <Gnauren> Applications are a result of what we saw in Nogg-Aholic
[00:07] <Gnauren> All of it can be traced back to specific events
[00:07] <07schlumpf|_> mmmh ..
[00:08] <Gnauren> (Apps were meant to deter undesireables and keep participation up)
[00:08] <Gnauren> (That is, only the people that actually cared would apply, for the most part)
[00:09] <Gnauren> As for doing it behind closed doors, we obviously do things that can hurt people on live servers, especially explorers
[00:09] <Gnauren> One of the huge requests we had in Nogg-Aholic was a secret Exploration Section
[00:09] <Gnauren> Now they have it
[00:09] <Gnauren> (Since people were stealing their tutorials word for word and picture for picture)
[00:09] <Gnauren> (And getting things nerfed by using them for negative things)
[00:09] <07schlumpf|_> tutorials are nonesense nevertheless :p
[00:10] <Gnauren> Then you're saying you never learned anything from any tutorial ever?
[00:10] <07schlumpf|_> well ...
[00:10] <07schlumpf|_> not really.
[00:10] <Gnauren> Haha
[00:10] <07schlumpf|_> i learn the most things by just doing them
[00:10] <Gnauren> School is basically a giant tutorial =P
[00:11] <07schlumpf|_> i learned nearly nothing at school :p
[00:11] <07schlumpf|_> except french. an
[00:11] <Gnauren> You seem to be able to communicate well
[00:11] <07schlumpf|_> and failed with an R
[00:11] <07schlumpf|_> *E
[00:11] <Gnauren> Haha
[00:11] <Gnauren> What about English?
[00:11] <07schlumpf|_> mmh
[00:11] <07schlumpf|_> ~B
[00:11] <Gnauren> Even if you learned to speak it, you needed some refinement on the writing processes
[00:11] <Gnauren> That in itself came from a very long tutorial
[00:12] <Gnauren> Anyways, they aren't garbage
[00:12] <Gnauren> Not to mention that stealing them word for word and picture for picture without giving credit is copyright infringment
[00:12] <07schlumpf|_> when i say,taht tutorials are useless in some kind, i done think about general tutorials like how to speak.
[00:12] <07schlumpf|_> i just mean ...
[00:12] <07schlumpf|_> you dont need a tutorial telling you how to exactely spell a sentence and pronouce that one rihgt,
[00:13] <Gnauren> No, because I did it a long time ago =P
[00:13] <07schlumpf|_> basics - ok, too detailed going into nonsense - no, thanks.
[00:13] <07schlumpf|_> with too detailed i mean eg mmowned.
[00:13] <Gnauren> How do you mean "too detailed"?
[00:13] <07schlumpf|_> well ...
[00:13] <07schlumpf|_> explaining every stupid thing everyone could get by thinking about it.
[00:14] <Gnauren> Example? (Even if it's one you made up right now)
[00:15] <07schlumpf|_> such things as saying "save the file" by tellig every move you have to do
[00:15] <07schlumpf|_> file | save as | type in: ... | click save
[00:15] <07schlumpf|_> just stupid.
[00:16] <07schlumpf|_> that is what i hate when it comes to tuts.
[00:17] <07schlumpf|_> whatever .. i'm tired .. 0016 here ...
[00:18] <Gnauren> Haha
[00:18] <Gnauren> GMT-5 =P
[00:18] <07schlumpf|_> i know :p
[00:18] <Gnauren> Then why TIME me? o.O
[00:18] <07schlumpf|_> to know it xD
[00:18] <Gnauren> Haha
[00:18] <07schlumpf|_> i dont know everyone's timezone by heart :p
[00:19] <Gnauren> Yeah, I agree that you can put stupid things in Tutorials
[00:19] <Gnauren> But if you do it right, they're good
[00:19] <07schlumpf|_> yep.
[00:19] <Gnauren> They are awesome for education without personal involvement
[00:19] <Gnauren> (Like writing books =P)
[00:19] <07schlumpf|_> whilst i still like personal education more
[00:21] <07schlumpf|_> whatever
[00:21] <07schlumpf|_> 'll see you sometime .pü
[00:21] <Gnauren> Ok
[00:21] <Gnauren> Bye
[00:21] <07schlumpf|_> actually enjoyed that chat :P
[00:21] <Gnauren> Haha
[00:22] <Gnauren> See, we don't always have to have conversations that end up in ickyness
Session Close: Sat Oct 06 10:40:41 2007