(01:32:00 PM) coz_: _dan_, ok well my suggestion for the desktop is not to upgrade but to clean install by downloading the gutsy cd and installing from there in the meantime you can make file backups of what you need
(01:32:29 PM) _dan_: sounds like way too muc work ;)
(01:32:35 PM) coz_: jinzo, right now I believe it should be failry stable however I use a repository based on the recent git
(01:32:40 PM) _dan_: my debian sid survived 3+ years so i take the risk
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(01:32:50 PM) _dan_: bzw whats the difference between gconf plugin and flat-line
(01:32:51 PM) coz_: _dan_, no really just install gutsy from the cd :)
(01:32:55 PM) _dan_: flat-line seems to fix everything
(01:33:03 PM) Amaranth: hopefully my repo will be updated to latest stuff in gutsy later today
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(01:33:21 PM) _dan_: Amaranth do u have the fusion-icon in your repo?
(01:33:25 PM) coz_: _dan_, the reason is upgradeing to gutsy with trevino's repo may cause some problems but I believe they can be fixed generally
(01:33:31 PM) Amaranth: _dan_: never
(01:33:31 PM) jinzo: I'll be using gentoo-xeffects overlay probably
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(01:33:41 PM) _dan_: Amaranth why?
(01:33:46 PM) Amaranth: _dan_: it's just a GUI duplicate of our script to start compiz
(01:33:52 PM) _dan_: coz_ well i can revert it back to original, with removing trev packages completely and purging conf (i think)
(01:34:05 PM) _dan_: Amaranth what is your script?
(01:34:41 PM) _dan_: i like fusion-icon alot, sitting in tray, i can click to disable compiz when paying games, simply reload, i ike it alot, cant u make it optional?
(01:35:00 PM) Amaranth: nope
(01:35:08 PM) Amaranth: you shouldn't have to stop compiz to play a game
(01:35:20 PM) _dan_: well
(01:35:23 PM) _dan_: but its that way
(01:35:39 PM) jinzo: so the fusion-icon is the repleacment for beryl-settings-manager ?
(01:35:58 PM) coz_: jinzo, no it is like the berlyl icon
(01:36:04 PM) _dan_: its the "same" as the nic beryl diamond sitting in tray
(01:36:14 PM) _dan_: i really do like it, got it instaled in utsy too
(01:36:16 PM) jinzo: that's what I meant
(01:36:18 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: There's so many reasons to add f-i to your repo, why wouldn't you?
(01:36:21 PM) coz_: jinzo, but that is for compiz fusion not beryl
(01:36:26 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: I don't like it
(01:36:30 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: And it's not in gutsy
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(01:36:47 PM) _dan_: Amaranth well of corse its your choice, i thought asking woudlnt hurt
(01:37:01 PM) coz_: _dan_, however you can indeed install the fusion icon
(01:37:05 PM) _dan_: but the fact that u dont like it, doenst mean other ppl wuldnt appreciate it alot
(01:37:06 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: That's seemingly haughty, considering it may help many users
(01:37:18 PM) _dan_: coz already did
(01:37:20 PM) _dan_: cant do without
(01:37:40 PM) _dan_: for various reasong, including gfx bugs need to reload, comfort etc etc
(01:37:41 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: My repo is only a backport
(01:37:47 PM) coz_: _dan_, good I think this is a really wonderful contribution by crdlb and it is a necessary choice for many people
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(01:37:50 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: ok
(01:38:03 PM) _dan_: i think so too
(01:38:16 PM) Amaranth: coz_: if it would just start compiz and not duplicate everything our script does it would probably be in universe
(01:38:16 PM) _dan_: i got it in debian repos by shame
(01:38:34 PM) coz_: Amaranth, ok that is good news that way people will have achoice :)
(01:38:35 PM) _dan_: Amaranth what is your script?
(01:38:47 PM) Amaranth: coz_: it's not in universe
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(01:38:55 PM) Amaranth: _dan_: /usr/bin/compiz
(01:39:02 PM) _dan_: ah ok
(01:39:12 PM) _dan_: well icon is more comfortable to use
(01:39:17 PM) _dan_: with emerald gtk-decorater etc
(01:39:26 PM) _dan_: and done by simply clicking
(01:39:34 PM) _dan_: but i guess thats a matter of what ones prefer
(01:39:39 PM) coz_: Amaranth, ah I see well personally having the ability to close compiz fusion and reloading it would seem to be necessary choices done you think?
(01:39:48 PM) coz_: dont
(01:39:54 PM) Amaranth: coz_: not at all
(01:40:03 PM) Amaranth: coz_: i don't stop compiz unless i logout
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(01:40:26 PM) jinzo: thats you,... but some ppl prefer it the other way around
(01:40:46 PM) coz_: Amaranth, well i think a situation depending on hardware limitations some people do indeed need to have the option to stop compiz running so as not to compete for video resources
(01:40:47 PM) Amaranth: jinzo: If they have any reason to stop it that's a bug
(01:40:53 PM) Amaranth: This discussion is over.
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(01:40:57 PM) jinzo: especially when compiz and compiz-fusion don't reac the 1.0 milestone ( for me that is )
(01:41:11 PM) jinzo: yeah, exactly, dunno now, but when I used beryl... there was quite some bugs :)
(01:41:44 PM) coz_: well the dicsussion is always open on this end and indeed depending on system hardware sutting down fusion is a necessary option so as not to compete for system resources with a game
(01:41:58 PM) Amaranth: coz_: It is not going to happen.
(01:42:05 PM) Amaranth: coz_: Thus the discussion is worthless.
(01:42:07 PM) coz_: Amaranth, well i will hep others make it happen
(01:42:16 PM) coz_: on their systems
(01:42:22 PM) Amaranth: coz_: You will help others steal my private key and upload to my repo?
(01:43:12 PM) jinzo: sounds liek fun :P
(01:43:26 PM) coz_: Amaranth, no my point is that this will be necessary for some people's sytems leaving it outas an option is not a good appraoch so I will help be able to have the option of shutting down fusion
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(01:43:33 PM) Amaranth: s/fusion/compiz/
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(01:44:12 PM) coz_: people appreciate more option not cutting them down
(01:44:20 PM) _dan_: fusion-icon helped me alot and saved me lotsa worrys, so it did for others i dont understand why u ar such a hardlinder on it :O
(01:44:33 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: I'm sure you must have your reasons, but I've yet to hear a valid agrument why fusion-icon would not be in any repo
(01:44:54 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: I just told you, it does what our script does but in different ways
(01:45:10 PM) coz_: Amaranth, does the script allow user choices and options
(01:45:18 PM) jinzo: scottDkoDer, mejbi couse there's an more "man" way to do the same :P ( the joke should be hidden somewhere there )
(01:45:22 PM) Amaranth: coz_: Nope
(01:45:26 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: That isn't a valid argument. Is your script copyrighted?
(01:45:31 PM) coz_: Amaranth, then in my opinion it is not valid
(01:45:32 PM) Amaranth: coz_: It picks the best options based on your hardware
(01:45:38 PM) _dan_: Amaranth no one sayng your script is bad, but wasnt the freedom of choice always the spirit of linux?
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(01:45:45 PM) Amaranth: Discussion over.
(01:45:50 PM) coz_: Amaranth, you still need choices for at the very lease turning it off and on
(01:45:57 PM) Amaranth: I am not going to keep defending myself.
(01:46:07 PM) Amaranth: You have a choice, get compiz from somewhere else.
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(01:46:11 PM) coz_: Amaranth, understood you can stop if you wish :)
(01:46:29 PM) Amaranth: Just don't expect support from Ubuntu for running it or upgrading to gutsy.
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(01:46:34 PM) _dan_: no one is attacking u, so no need to defend, sry if u understood it that way
(01:46:37 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: I'm not asking for your defense, but a reason as to why you would not want a gui to your script
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(01:46:58 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: Because I don't want it.
(01:47:05 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: That is the only reason I need, it is my repo.
(01:47:10 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: Might you right I similar app?
(01:47:19 PM) scottDkoDer: write*
(01:47:47 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: System->Preferences->Appearance, Desktop Effects tab
(01:47:55 PM) coz_: well ok guys it appears that this discussion is not going to be resolved here or anywhere so Amaranth is correct about stopping th e conversation however the reson to stop is that it may now interfere with support so lets stop for now and if y ouguys need to continue go over to #compiz-fusion-offtopic
(01:48:04 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: Might you write a similar app or is there a program that would provide the same functionality that would be acceptable?
(01:48:13 PM) _dan_: System->Preferences->Appearance, Desktop Effects tab doenst work for me
(01:48:17 PM) _dan_: crashes compiz
(01:48:19 PM) _dan_: fusion.icon dont
(01:48:20 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: The app is not needed.
(01:48:23 PM) _dan_: doenst
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(01:48:34 PM) Amaranth: _dan_: Actually it probably refuses to run compiz, you have an x3000?
(01:48:39 PM) _dan_: no
(01:48:42 PM) _dan_: it crashes
(01:48:45 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: Soory, but what about desktop effects?
(01:48:47 PM) _dan_: if i start with it it starts
(01:48:50 PM) _dan_: when i move a window it crashed
(01:48:52 PM) _dan_: crashes
(01:48:56 PM) jinzo: why would you need an app, if you can write ( draw) your own animation :P
(01:48:58 PM) Amaranth: _dan_: nvidia 100.14.11
(01:49:07 PM) _dan_: fusion.icon doesnt, so i *need* it
(01:49:17 PM) _dan_: Amaranth no was former dirver, didnt try it out with .19 yet
(01:49:25 PM) coz_: _dan_, however that driver has a full screen video bug and will not allow full screen video
(01:49:32 PM) coz_: _dan_, the best driver is still 9755
(01:49:41 PM) scottDkoDer: Amaranth: No offense, but with your practices, you would never make a good president "Who cares what the people want!!"
(01:49:42 PM) scottDkoDer: ;-)
(01:49:45 PM) _dan_: 9755 doenst work for me on lyptop due to BWB
(01:50:02 PM) coz_: _dan_, ok then use the one that works best on that system
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(01:50:10 PM) _dan_: its the .19 for now
(01:50:19 PM) Amaranth: coz_: what bug with fullscreen video?
(01:50:20 PM) coz_: _dan_, cool :)
(01:50:32 PM) Amaranth: scottDkoDer: Actually I'd be great, they ignore what the 'people' want too
(01:50:38 PM) _dan_: only thing is i need to manually modprobe since gutsy laods false module on bootup
(01:51:07 PM) coz_: Amaranth, it does not allow full screen viideo it draws stipes and also has the inability to allow full screen video on dual monitors as well exaggerating the stipes
(01:51:13 PM) coz_: stripes
(01:51:17 PM) Amaranth: coz_: works _great_ here
(01:51:40 PM) coz_: Amaranth, most people have already experienced this new improved bug so it is definitly there
(01:51:41 PM) jinzo: a typical linux anwser
(01:52:06 PM) Amaranth: *sigh*
(01:52:12 PM) jinzo: :]
(01:52:20 PM) Amaranth: I wish I could make xchat not notice me when someone says my name here
(01:52:23 PM) _dan_: Amaranth i can try the desktop effect thingie with new driver on my laptop if u wnat to
(01:52:24 PM) jinzo: no effense, but I belive in freedom of choice...
(01:52:36 PM) Amaranth: Fuck this.
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(01:52:53 PM) coz_: that is one way to make sure your name isnt highlighted in xchat
(01:53:03 PM) robbins61: does kxdocker work with beryl? Is there something better than kxdocker now for a mac os x style dock?
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(01:53:20 PM) coz_: robbins61, you can try kiba dock
(01:53:28 PM) robbins61: alright
(01:53:30 PM) jinzo: or awn
(01:53:41 PM) coz_: robbins61, however if you want to get kiba up and rinning i woujld talke with a fellow named ghostcube
(01:53:44 PM) _dan_: well, its his repo after all
(01:53:50 PM) _dan_: just a bit sad it wont make it into gutsy
(01:54:01 PM) coz_: robbins61, he likes and runs kiba really well and can help with the configuration of it for you
(01:54:06 PM) jinzo: _dan_, it's not the problem it's his repo, noone forces him to do anything
(01:54:30 PM) jinzo: but I refuse to belive, someone with that influence doesen't let ppl chose
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(01:54:38 PM) robbins61: alright, htanks man
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(01:54:43 PM) _dan_: i am not getting why he is so aggresiv about it, no one attacked him or his script or anything
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(01:54:55 PM) coz_: ok guys we all know the situaion with the repos so lets get on with support here
(01:55:03 PM) _dan_: after all i think everybody is thankfull for his work
(01:55:07 PM) jinzo: allright :)
(01:55:10 PM) _dan_: oki
(01:55:11 PM) jinzo: any gentoo users in here ?
(01:55:19 PM) _dan_: i tried it once jinzo ;)
(01:55:28 PM) coz_: or take the discussion to #compiz-fusion-offtopic for now please I am not trying to make this a demand so please lets get off that topic
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(01:55:31 PM) sgt-d: it's still emerging world something
(01:55:41 PM) Amaranth: All better now. coz_ is on ignore
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(01:55:57 PM) jinzo: Amaranth, we didn't try to offend you or attack you or your work
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(01:56:09 PM) jinzo: we all appreciate your work
(01:56:41 PM) Amaranth: coz_: This is my channel, don't try it.
(01:57:01 PM) coz_: Amaranth, I am not trying anything but understand you cant either
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(01:57:16 PM) coz_: the thpic over repos is now closed
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(01:57:24 PM) mode (+o coz_ ) by ChanServ
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(01:57:56 PM) sgt-d: who let the dogs out
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(01:58:08 PM) coz_: amy disagreements over this will be taken to #compiz-fusion-offtopic
(01:58:12 PM) jinzo: sgt-d, some nasty bug that may bee
(01:58:37 PM) ***sgt-d thinks coz_ and Amaranth are secretly the same person...
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(01:58:45 PM) sgt-d: jk sup ppl :)
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(01:58:55 PM) zul777: hey guys, got problem with compiz fusion, I can't move windows, other effects are ok
(01:59:07 PM) sgt-d: u see decorations?
(01:59:16 PM) zul777: yeah
(01:59:20 PM) sgt-d: and, does alt + left clicking allow you to move the window?
(01:59:20 PM) _dan_: there is a plugin
(01:59:22 PM) _dan_: called move windows
(01:59:26 PM) sgt-d: jep
(01:59:31 PM) zul777: it's enabled
(01:59:32 PM) _dan_: try that (but just a guess)
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(02:00:00 PM) Amaranth: ap
(02:00:01 PM) Amaranth: eek
(02:00:02 PM) Amaranth: wtf
(02:00:08 PM) mode (-b #compiz-fusion!*@* ) by Amaranth
(02:00:37 PM) jinzo: hihi :D
(02:00:58 PM) demon_spork: !winblows
(02:00:59 PM) FusioBot: demon_spork: Ask Google about winblows, it knows everything!
(02:01:04 PM) _dan_: whats up with the 3d world plugin atm? stopped working some weeks ago
(02:01:11 PM) mode (+b *!*@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345!##windows ) by Amaranth
(02:01:12 PM) BlueDevil: which repos should i install compiz-fusion from? (running feisty)
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(02:01:17 PM) Amaranth: all better now