(n=Max~@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined #grub Sep 21 09:56:27 <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. Is it possible to make a GRUB boot CD, and make that check a menu.lst on a different device (HD)? Sep 21 10:33:38 --> wibbit (n=<a href="/ym/Compose?To=douglasf@SAGW-PRIMARY.ARC.COM&YY=728&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b">douglasf@SAGW-PRIMARY.ARC.COM</a>) has joined #grub Sep 21 10:33:49 <wibbit> Good morning all Sep 21 10:33:51 <wibbit> Any one up? Sep 21 10:54:35 --> benanne (n=<a href="/ym/Compose?To=rijyiohe@41.176-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be&YY=728&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b">rijyiohe@41.176-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be</a>) has joined #grub Sep 21 11:02:05 <-- jeroney_ has quit () Sep 21 11:33:29 --> WindowsUninstall (n=<a href="/ym/Compose?To=WindowsU@host122-162-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it&YY=728&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b">WindowsU@host122-162-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it</a>) has joined #grub Sep 21 12:03:07 --> tschwinge (n=<a href="/ym/Compose?To=user@fencepost.gnu.org&YY=728&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b">user@fencepost.gnu.org</a>) has joined #grub Sep 21 12:29:54 <enouf> Maxdamantus: if you boot into the grub shell, and issue a "find /boot/grub/menu.lst" it should kick back all available, if they exist there and grub is installed properly Sep 21 12:30:12 <Maxdamantus> "Installed properly"? Sep 21 12:30:43 <enouf> Maxdamantus: grub doesn't know anything about File Systems so if located in an obscure place, it wont find it Sep 21 12:30:54 <Maxdamantus> I just want it to load the menu.lst from a specific HD. Sep 21 12:31:02 <Maxdamantus> I can't get the BIOS to boot from the HD. Sep 21 12:31:14 <Maxdamantus> This machine will boot that HD.. Sep 21 12:31:21 <Maxdamantus> And that machine will boot this machine's HD. Sep 21 12:31:26 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you could make teh Boot CD with your menu.lst files (IINM) Sep 21 12:31:29 <Maxdamantus> But that machine won't boot that machine's HD. Sep 21 12:31:45 <Maxdamantus> I was using a fd for a few months, but that's buggered now. Sep 21 12:31:56 <Maxdamantus> enouf, but then I can't edit them. Sep 21 12:32:12 <Maxdamantus> Since it needs to be a finalised CD-R to boot. Sep 21 12:32:14 <enouf> <a href="http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11" target=_blank >http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11</a> Sep 21 12:34:11 <Maxdamantus> enouf, that doesn't say how to make it automatically load menu.lst from a different device. Sep 21 12:34:30 <enouf> ofcourse it doesn't Sep 21 12:36:10 <enouf> Maxdamantus: i have no idea what that whole "this machine, that machine" is about, and would rather not know - yuo should reinstall grun to each "machine's" MBR on it's HDD that has Linux Sep 21 12:36:35 <enouf> s/grun/grub Sep 21 12:36:44 <Maxdamantus> I have two machines.. One is old, and I use it as a server for multiple things. Sep 21 12:36:54 <Maxdamantus> And that won't boot from it's own HD. Sep 21 12:37:02 <enouf> that doesn't make sense Sep 21 12:37:14 <Maxdamantus> I've tried installing GRUB and LILO. Sep 21 12:37:19 <Maxdamantus> And it just won't boot from the HD. Sep 21 12:37:30 <Maxdamantus> If I put that HD into this machine, it'll boot fine. Sep 21 12:37:34 <Maxdamantus> But it won't work on that. Sep 21 12:37:43 <enouf> that mean you only installed grub onto the non-server CompB's MBR and never into the server's compA MBR Sep 21 12:37:51 <Maxdamantus> And if I take the HD from this machine, and put it in that machine, it'll boot Ubuntu too. Sep 21 12:38:07 <Maxdamantus> Well, until it finds out that the devices specified in fstab don't exist. Sep 21 12:38:11 * enouf smacks forehead violent;y Sep 21 12:38:30 <enouf> against the desk Sep 21 12:38:44 <Maxdamantus> Non-server CompB's MBR? Sep 21 12:38:51 <Maxdamantus> It's installed in the MBR, believe me. Sep 21 12:39:00 <enouf> two == a + b Sep 21 12:39:15 <Maxdamantus> If I take out all HDs out of this computer, and put in the HD from the other computer, it'll boot the Gentoo install.. Sep 21 12:39:29 <Maxdamantus> Well, it'll boot GRUB. Sep 21 12:39:33 <Maxdamantus> Which will then boot Gentoo. Sep 21 12:39:55 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you goofed somewhere bit time, but believe me, it'll boot if done correctly Sep 21 12:40:38 <Maxdamantus> Well.. I'm fairly certain I've done it correctly. Sep 21 12:40:55 <enouf> Maxdamantus: your device.map files and #groot= entry needs examination, as well as /etc/fstab and menu.lst for each Sep 21 12:41:11 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you haven't Sep 21 12:41:30 <Maxdamantus> enouf, if it was the device.map, wouldn't it give something more than a GRUB read error? Sep 21 12:41:38 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you realize all those lines with only 1 # are actually read? Sep 21 12:41:48 <Maxdamantus> The BIOS won't even recognise that there is anything to boot. Sep 21 12:41:57 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you realize all those lines with 2 # are the ones that are not Sep 21 12:42:18 <enouf> in between the AUTOMAGIC stuff only Sep 21 12:42:29 <enouf> BEGIN and END Sep 21 12:42:55 * Maxdamantus boots the Gentoo LiveCD.. Sep 21 12:43:30 <Maxdamantus> I think these BIOS might be specifically designed for Windows actually. Sep 21 12:43:52 <enouf> Maxdamantus: <Maxdamantus> The BIOS won't even recognise that there is anything to boot. and <Maxdamantus> This machine will boot that HD.. and <Maxdamantus> And t hat machine will boot this machine's HD. ==== Totally inconsistent statements Sep 21 12:43:59 <Maxdamantus> Boot sequence has options such as "A", "C", "D", "A only", "C only", "D only" Sep 21 12:46:24 <enouf> i gotta get some sleep now for a few (even if i don't achieve it, i have to try) .. good luck, and remember to let know, .. i stay logged, will revisit Sep 21 12:50:39 <Maxdamantus> Fuck.. Perhaps this is why.. Sep 21 12:50:57 <Maxdamantus> device.map has "(hd0) /dev/hdc" Sep 21 12:51:06 * Maxdamantus thinks that should be /dev/hda Sep 21 12:52:17 <Maxdamantus> Damn it.. Rebooted before setting up grub. Sep 21 13:02:46 <Maxdamantus> No difference. Sep 21 13:05:46 <enouf> Maxdamantus: #groot= Sep 21 13:05:58 <Maxdamantus> * Now talking on #groot= Sep 21 13:06:08 <Maxdamantus> Wait. You didn't mean a channel did you? Sep 21 13:06:25 <enouf> in menu.lst Sep 21 13:06:35 <Maxdamantus> Oh. Sep 21 13:06:53 <Maxdamantus> Unfortunately, I accidentally left it to auto load.. Which boots the GUI by default. Sep 21 13:06:57 <Maxdamantus> Lemme reboot it again. Sep 21 13:07:18 <enouf> you really should learn the grub shell Sep 21 13:07:39 <enouf> (not that i'm an expert, but i can get around) Sep 21 13:07:41 <Maxdamantus> I know the basics of the grub shell.. Well, enough to make a simple installation. Sep 21 13:07:46 <enouf> no Sep 21 13:07:56 <enouf> well enough to fix things from there Sep 21 13:08:03 <enouf> and test from there Sep 21 13:08:14 <Maxdamantus> I can't get to a fucking grub shell. Sep 21 13:08:26 <Maxdamantus> I need to use the one on the Gentoo LiveCD. Sep 21 13:08:30 <enouf> ROFL == how did it boot to the Desktop, if it doesnt Boot? Sep 21 13:08:38 <Maxdamantus> enouf, it's the LiveCD. Sep 21 13:08:39 <enouf> what? Sep 21 13:08:43 <enouf> no no no no on Sep 21 13:08:44 <Maxdamantus> And it doesn't use GRUB there. Sep 21 13:08:46 <enouf> OMG Sep 21 13:09:05 * enouf shoots Maxdamantus Sep 21 13:09:24 <Maxdamantus> Zomg, why'd you do that? Sep 21 13:09:50 <enouf> <Maxdamantus> I can't get to a fucking grub shell. <-- WHAT THE FUCK is THAT! Sep 21 13:10:08 <Maxdamantus> Well. Not natively. Sep 21 13:10:16 <Maxdamantus> Only under Gentoo.. The "grub" command. Sep 21 13:10:27 <enouf> if you can boot the HDD, you certainly can get to the shell ..lol Sep 21 13:10:35 <Maxdamantus> I can't boot the HDD. Sep 21 13:10:39 <Maxdamantus> ... Sep 21 13:10:40 <enouf> OMG Sep 21 13:10:49 <Maxdamantus> That's what this whole thing is about. Sep 21 13:10:50 * enouf shoots Maxdamantus again Sep 21 13:10:57 <enouf> no it isn;t Sep 21 13:10:58 <Maxdamantus> The BIOS won't boot anything from this specific HD. Sep 21 13:11:06 <enouf> Bullshit Sep 21 13:11:39 <Maxdamantus> Well. The only thing I've known for it to boot directly off the HD, as instructed by the MBR is the NTLDR. Sep 21 13:11:48 <Maxdamantus> Because it had XP on it before. Sep 21 13:12:05 <Maxdamantus> But I used a floppy disk with GRUB on it to boot for a few months. Sep 21 13:12:15 <Maxdamantus> But now the FD drive is broken. Sep 21 13:14:52 <Maxdamantus> So.. I'm in a grub shell now.. What do you suggest I do? 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