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20:45:12 <@Obby> Tsukatu, do you have any proof that masturbation is necessary to be physically and emotionally healthy?
20:46:13 <@Tsukatu> It's a pretty well-known principle that stifling your most natural desires as a human being leads to psychoses.
20:46:19 <@Tsukatu> It really is Psych 101.
20:46:25 <@Tsukatu> Like, that's where you learn about it.
20:46:48 <@Obby> Lust is the most natural desire?
20:46:50 <@Tsukatu> ...before proceeding to learn about how a plethora of mental conditions readily stem from stifling of natural urges.
20:46:58 <@Tsukatu> Lust is /a/ natural desire.
20:47:09 <@Tsukatu> Dude, it's biology. It's WHY we're alive today - you're saying it's not a natural desire?
20:47:19 <@Obby> Funny. I thought that eating and sleeping where more important than a few minutes of feeling good.
20:47:23 <@Tsukatu> Neanderthals didn't have hardcore porn to get them hooked on sex, Obby.
20:47:26 <@Obby> Masturbation is not why we are alive.
20:47:30 <@Obby> Sex is why we are alive.
20:47:34 <@Obby> Very different things.
20:47:38 <@Tsukatu> They're both under the umbrella of 'lust', sir.
20:47:45 <@Obby> Neanderthals did not sit around masturbating.
20:47:51 <@Tsukatu> Whaaa?
20:47:52 <@Obby> And sex, when proper, is not lust.
20:47:55 <@Tsukatu> Of /course/ they did.
20:47:57 <@Tsukatu> How could they not?
20:48:10 <@Tsukatu> It's pretty natural, and they didn't actually have any silly "moral" reasons to resist.
20:48:27 <@Obby> You're right. They had real life issues. Like finding food.
20:48:43 <@Obby> You have absolutely no proof that ancient man sat around masturbating.
20:48:45 <@Tsukatu> Obby, how much time out of the day do you spend gathering food?
20:48:55 <@Obby> Total?
20:49:01 <@Tsukatu> Would you say it's, a) your whole day, or b) not your whole day.
20:49:11 <@Obby> I'd say anywhere from 1-2 hours.
20:49:26 <@Tsukatu> How long do you think it'd take you and a bunch of your friends to stalk a deer?
20:49:30 <@Obby> Think about it Tsukatu, neanderthals weren't evolved. They focused on staying alive.
20:49:32 <@Tsukatu> Few hours at most, maybe?
20:49:58 <@Obby> You assume 1 deer would be enough to sustain a 5-15000 calorie diet.
20:50:09 <@Tsukatu> Obby, do you seriously believe that neanderthals didn't feel lust? And do you /seriously/ think that sex has ANY roots aside from lust?
20:50:38 <@Tsukatu> Sex is the epitome of a lustful activity. It is, like, the definition of a purely lustful activity.
20:50:50 <@Obby> :agape:
20:50:52 <@Tsukatu> You can also toss in love, and that makes it all nice and happy in our now civilized minds.
20:51:03 <@Tsukatu> But the physical action of procreation stems purely from lust.
20:51:05 <@Obby> You surely mean, *in your opinion*
20:51:15 <@Obby> I disagree.
20:51:16 <@Tsukatu> I'm talking no thoughts here whatsoever, just action.
20:51:34 <@Tsukatu> 'Course, in today's world, it's immoral to have sex unless there's more than the pure physical desire.
20:51:36 <@Tsukatu> And I agree with that.
20:51:55 <@Obby> Sex is more than primitive urges.
20:52:00 <@Tsukatu> But sex DOES NOT HAPPEN without lust, and I'm surprised that you disagree with this.
20:52:16 <@Obby> Are you saying love and lust are the same?
20:52:38 <@Tsukatu> brb, pizza guy
20:53:00 <@Obby> Why is it, you seem to think that there is only one possible type of life.
20:53:08 <@Obby> And that type is without any God.
20:53:38 <@Obby> You tell people to be accepting of other's opinions, but you don't accept their opinions in any conversation.
20:53:59 <@Obby> You don't incorporate any other existence, other than one you feel is right.
20:54:15 <@Obby> When in reality, there is no way to *know* the truth.
20:54:34 <@Tsukatu> Dude, I am drawing a distinction between [sex as a physical action] and [sex as we perform it today].
20:54:40 <@Obby> Because this is so, you need to accept that there are other possibilities, and incorporate them into a discussion.
20:54:44 <@Tsukatu> [sex as a physical action] is the physical manifestation of lust
20:54:50 <@Tsukatu> [sex as we perform it today] is lust + more
20:54:56 <@Tsukatu> I am most definitely NOT saying lust = love
20:55:34 <@Obby> So you are unwilling to accept that true love and the creation of a life could be something more than lust?
20:55:46 <@Obby> So, what God gave us is completely sinful?
20:55:48 <@Tsukatu> As for the consideration of other perspectives, I have been known to change my opinion, even very suddenly, when I'm given reason to.
20:55:53 <@Tsukatu> I have thus far not seen reason to.
20:56:02 <@Obby> If you take out the God variable, then sex is lust.
20:56:03 <@Tsukatu> If you give me a compelling argument, you can bet your ass I'll change it.
20:56:15 <@Obby> But you can't just /take out/ the God variable.
20:56:26 <@Tsukatu> That's not true. Taking God out of sex leaves it as an act performed out of love and adoration, as well as lust.
20:56:34 <@Obby> Because the God variable still exists, then it is possible that sex can be more than lust.
20:56:58 <@Tsukatu> That's wierd, though, cuz taking the God variable out of /anything/, from my point of view, doesn't change it in the slightest.
20:57:20 <@Tsukatu> I still firmly believe that sex is a serious thing and that it involves just as much as you think it involves, minus holy purpose and soul binding, or whatever
else you think.
20:57:27 <@Obby> If God is in the equation sex can be perfectly loving, and not sinful in the least.
20:57:38 <@Tsukatu> Yeah, I wasn't attacking you on that point.
20:57:48 <@Tsukatu> You are currently telling me that without God we're all immoral rapists.
20:58:04 <@Obby> Yup.
20:58:06 <@Tsukatu> And I'm defending myself; I'm saying that I can still have sex as a moral activity, completely without God.
20:58:26 <@Obby> Pretty much. If we do anything without God, then it's against God. And against God is immoral.
20:58:30 <@Tsukatu> Do you disagree that I can have sex as a perfectly moral activity, even though I don't believe in God?
20:58:39 <@Tsukatu> Please answer yes or no.
20:58:44 <@Obby> Tricky question.
20:58:55 <@Obby> I /can't/ answer yes or no, as of now.
20:59:07 <@Tsukatu> Well, you actually pretty much did with your last few statements.
20:59:15 <@Tsukatu> "If we do anything without God, then it's against God. And against God is immoral."
20:59:21 <@Obby> Ok.
20:59:24 <@Obby> Got it.
20:59:29 <@Tsukatu> You basically just said, "yes, you are unable to have sex in a perfectly moral fashion, Tsukatu."
20:59:29 <@Obby> My answer is No.
20:59:35 <@Tsukatu> "All sex you perform, Tsukatu, is immoral."
20:59:36 <@Tsukatu> No?
20:59:46 <@Tsukatu> Why 'no', now?
20:59:53 <@Obby> Because morality is derived from God. So anything done completely without God is against God. Anything against God is immoral.
21:00:15 <@Tsukatu> Wait, I'm not sure we're talking about the same question, so let me rephrase:
21:00:36 <@Tsukatu> You think that I am incapable of having sex that is morally sound. Is the previous statement a true statement, in your opinion?
21:01:17 <@Tsukatu> What's the trouble? You've already answered this, like, three times.
21:01:42 <@Obby> Here's how I see it. God created sex as something to show our true love for our spouse. Having sex without the God variable is like giving him the finger while
telling him that you don't need him in his gifts. So in doing so, you are going against God. Going against God is immoral.
21:02:01 <@Obby> So having sex without God is immoral.
21:02:12 <@Tsukatu> So the answer is "yes, Tsukatu, the statement is true," right?
21:02:41 <@Obby> You are incapable of having moral sex, Tsukatu, unless you have God in the equation.
21:02:46 <@Tsukatu> There we go.
21:02:49 <@Tsukatu> Okay.
21:02:56 <@Obby> Because God gave us sex, and using it for other reasons would be immoral.
21:03:01 <@Tsukatu> Now, ask me why I'm defensive about Christianity.
21:03:14 <@Obby> One main point is that I take my morality from God*.
21:03:28 <@Tsukatu> No, sure, sure, I understand your reasons, you don't need to explain them to me.
21:03:31 <@Obby> Why are you defensive about Christianity?
21:03:36 <@Obby> Pray tell.
21:03:42 <@Tsukatu> Really? You really just had to ask that?
21:03:51 <@Tsukatu> 21:02:41 <@Obby> You are incapable of having moral sex, Tsukatu
21:03:56 <@Tsukatu> Really?
21:04:00 <@Tsukatu> I mean, did you really just ask that?
21:04:30 <@Obby> [21:02]I<Obby>IYou are incapable of having moral sex, Tsukatu, unless you have God in the equation.
21:04:39 <@Obby> Don't take words out of context.
21:04:40 <@Tsukatu> And you know I will never allow God in the equation.
21:04:45 <@Obby> It's voids any point you make.
21:04:51 <@Tsukatu> So the context was not meaningfully altered.
21:04:57 <@Obby> Yes, it was.
21:05:00 <@Tsukatu> Because you /know/ I will never allow God into the equation.
21:05:11 <@Tsukatu> Obby: You are a human, UNLESS YOU ARE A DINOSAUR.
21:05:24 <@Tsukatu> Omitting the all-caps portion does not meaningfully change the context.
21:05:31 <@Tsukatu> Because you will NEVER be a dinosaur.
21:05:37 <@Tsukatu> Just as I will NEVER allow God into my sex life.
21:05:43 <@Obby> Look at it this way. Say you give your kid a horn. You tell him; "This horn is only for scaring away the deer in our yard."
21:05:56 <@Obby> But then your kid uses the horn to play music.
21:06:08 <@Obby> To him, it's not bad. But he directly disobeyed you.
21:06:17 <@Tsukatu> You're very right.
21:06:22 <@Tsukatu> And I'm going to assume, here, that God actually exists.
21:06:28 <@Tsukatu> The outcome is:
21:06:34 <@Tsukatu> Why the fuck did I stifle my kid's creativity?
21:06:36 <@Obby> So in this case, "You will never use this horn correctly, unless you use if for the reason I told you."
21:06:47 <@Tsukatu> What is /wrong/ with me?
21:06:49 <@Tsukatu> I kind of suck as a parent!
21:07:11 <@Tsukatu> Not to mention that I explicitly instructed him to be fascinated with the horn when he grew up.
21:07:15 <@Tsukatu> Y'know, to make the analogy consistent.
21:07:21 <@Obby> Now you're assuming that you know anything at all about running a universe.
21:07:26 <@Tsukatu> It was MY FAULT that he chose to play the horn musically.
21:07:45 <@Tsukatu> Obby, you always fail to address this every one of the 80 times I've brought it up.
21:07:45 <@Obby> No, it was his fault. You gave him the horn for the reason stated.
21:08:00 <@Obby> His using it incorrectly is wrong.
21:08:15 <@Tsukatu> An omnipotent being cannot produce undesired results. All results that you see were explicitly intended by God.
21:08:21 <@Tsukatu> That includes how we act, and it includes our human nature.
21:08:28 <@Tsukatu> It was HIS DECISION to make all of that exactly that way.
21:08:29 <@Obby> You also look at this from your point of view; that you know everything there is to know, and that because you don't fully comprehend something, it is wrong.
21:08:40 <@Tsukatu> That's... wow, that's a cop-out.
21:08:44 <@Tsukatu> Are you /trying/ to understand what I'm saying?
21:08:51 <@Obby> I haven't read it yet.
21:08:54 <@Tsukatu> Like, did you actually rea-
21:08:56 <@Tsukatu> Oh, yeah.
21:09:00 <@Tsukatu> Okay, that makes sense.
21:09:40 <@Obby> The point you bring up is Free Will. Which is something that is inconceivable hard to comprehend (pun intended)
21:09:54 <@Tsukatu> As an aside, I'm getting a little sick of hearing the accusation that I think I know everything there is to know, because I don't say anything that would hint
at that...
21:10:09 <@Tsukatu> Free Will is actually not complicated, no. Just illogical. This could be the leading reason why it's "difficult to comprehend."
21:10:17 <@Obby> You attitude that you suck as a parent points this out very well.
21:10:20 <@Tsukatu> Illogical != wise.
21:10:28 <@Obby> You assume that you know what it is to be a good parent.
21:10:47 <@Tsukatu> You've heard my "God is a deranged little girl playing with dollies" example, right?
21:10:51 <@Tsukatu> Can I hear your response to that?
21:11:05 <@Obby> Illogical to *us*. You have to understand that we are not the most knowledgable beings.
21:11:07 <@Tsukatu> I mean, I've only sporadically been begging you to for the last, like, year.
21:11:44 <@Obby> Remember, the world not being at the center of the universe was illogical once.
21:11:47 <@Obby> But time changed that.
21:11:57 <@Tsukatu> Right. The Bible was shown to be wrong in that regard.
21:12:00 <@Obby> And so, as time moves on, and we reach our meeting with God, we will understand.
21:12:01 <@Tsukatu> Continue.
21:12:26 <@Tsukatu> I just think it's funny that you keep accusing me of claiming more knowledge than I can have, and then you bring up this inevitable meeting with God stuff...
21:12:30 <@Tsukatu> Like, how can you /know/ all of this?
21:12:33 <@Obby> Right, the bible is symbolic. Anything symbolic can't be said wrong by any zealous nonbeliever.
21:12:46 <@Obby> I /believe/ all of this.
21:12:55 <@Tsukatu> Without evidence, right?
21:13:05 <@Obby> No.
21:13:10 <@Tsukatu> Oh, so you /do/ know this?
21:13:24 <@Tsukatu> Cuz, like, you'd only have to make the distinction if you're talking about faith, and faith is belief without evidence.
21:13:37 < Dylan> Oh god, you guys.
21:13:38 <@Obby> The word of God seems to have some pretty good reasons why I should believe it.
21:14:01 <@Obby> Not to mention the stuff makes sense to me.
21:14:06 <@Tsukatu> Which, for all you know, was misinterpreted by the ignorant sheppherds who wrote it down.
21:14:11 < Dylan> You know this conversation is just gonna end with one of you throwing a hissy fit or make-up buttsecks.
21:14:27 <@Obby> How do you know that Tsukatu?
21:14:31 <@Tsukatu> Dylan: Yeah, I was getting kind of horny, and my time limit for getting my sexual gratification is almost up...
21:14:45 <@Tsukatu> Obby: How do I know that it was possible that someone wrote down God's word wrong?
21:14:47 <@Obby> What is your basis for saying the word of God was all misinterpreted.
21:14:49 < Dylan> Heh.
21:14:49 <@Tsukatu> Uh... cuz we can't be certain?
21:15:11 <@Obby> We can't be certain that you exist, either. So does that mean I shouldn't believe you exist?
21:15:12 <@Tsukatu> I'm just saying that you have ZERO assurance that what you are told God's word is is even correct.
21:15:16 * Dylan takes Suki's side.
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21:15:23 <@Tsukatu> hey, LV.
21:15:28 <@Tsukatu> We're having an internet argument.
21:15:35 <@Tsukatu> It's pretty amusing so far.
21:15:38 <@Obby> No. I have ZERO assurance that the word of God is COMPLETELY correct.
21:15:42 <~LittleViking> Ick. What subject?
21:15:48 <@Tsukatu> LOL
21:15:51 <~LittleViking> Is it 0.99... = 1 again?
21:15:51 <@Tsukatu> OLOL
21:15:52 <@Obby> *Jesus*
21:15:55 <@Tsukatu> Yep.
21:15:55 <~LittleViking> That's the one I like.
21:16:25 <@Tsukatu> Right, so you've just said that you have zero assurance that what you think is God's word is actually 100% faithfully God's word.
21:16:26 <@Tsukatu> So...
21:16:33 <@Tsukatu> Yeah, what the fuck, as I said earlier in more eloquent terms?
21:16:38 <@Obby> Anyways, I have 100% assurance that the majority of God's word is correct.
21:16:47 < Dylan> ...
21:16:55 <@Tsukatu> oh, no, I have 100% assurance that God knows what He's talking about, too.
21:17:08 <@Tsukatu> It's just this assurance you pull out of nowhere that you're actually getting the right version that's getting to me.
21:17:17 <@Obby> An omnipotent being generally knows what they are talking about.
21:17:21 <@Tsukatu> I mean, you didn't hear it from God, Himself, did you?
21:17:29 <@Obby> I did, actually.
21:17:30 <@Tsukatu> Does God speak to you, Obby? Directly? Verbally?
21:17:35 <@Tsukatu> Awwwwww, fuck.
21:17:35 <@Obby> The word of God.
21:17:39 <@Obby> Through the bible.
21:17:41 <@Tsukatu> We've just reached a whole new plateu, Obby.
21:17:46 <@Tsukatu> You shouldn't have said that.
21:17:49 <@Tsukatu> You really, really shouldn't have.
21:17:53 <@Obby> How is this different.
21:18:11 <@Tsukatu> Obby, you have just admitted to hearing voices. Let me ask you now, why are you convinced that you're not insane?
21:18:17 <@Obby> I'm going to tell Dylan (assuming he isn't going to be a moron. He actually will be serious).
21:18:26 <@Tsukatu> CUZ ITS GOD LOL is not the answer I'm looking for.
21:18:28 <@Obby> Dylan. Don't kill people.
21:18:28 < Dylan> Hmm?
21:18:36 < Dylan> Why not?
21:18:41 <@Obby> Now, Dylan, tell Tsukatu what I just said.
21:19:00 <@Tsukatu> Obby: Yeah, so why are you sure, again, that the message didn't get corrupted?
21:19:16 <@Tsukatu> Dylan isn't, for starters, a dumbass sheppherd.
21:19:28 <@Obby> Because the message is so blindingly simple, it's completely illogical to assume it's incorrect.
21:19:32 <@Tsukatu> Dylan didn't write a book that would later be mistranslated and metaphorically interpreted.
21:19:42 <@Obby> Dylan has the mental capacity to herd sheep, to cook food, to survive.
21:19:44 <@Tsukatu> Oh, what's the message?
21:19:54 <@Tsukatu> Can you tell me? Mine got stuck in the mail.
21:19:56 <@Obby> Dylan can understand 10 simple rules.
21:20:05 <@Tsukatu> AH NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN
21:20:11 < Dylan> Hey! I can play Guitar Hero pretty well, too...
21:20:29 <@Obby> When it comes down to it, there is only 10 rules in the entire bible that anyone needs to know.
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21:20:48 <@Tsukatu> Anyway, simplicity of a message is still ZERO assurance that it wasn't corrupted over, what, six thousand years?
21:20:50 <@Obby> Follow those 10 rules, you're set to go.
21:21:02 <@Tsukatu> (Earliest Bible found was 4000 BCE, right?)
21:21:03 <@Obby> It is all assurance.
21:21:17 <@Tsukatu> No, that is not, at all, what I'm talking about.
21:21:18 * Dylan googles that Gospel of Judas thing.
21:21:26 <@Obby> Especially when people devote their entire lives to continuing the word of God.
21:21:55 <@Tsukatu> If I write something down in Greek, Obby... if I write down something very, very simple, and then wait six thousand goddamned years, I cannot be assured that it
will be translated properly after that time, regardless of how simple the message was.
21:22:13 <@Obby> You can, under the right conditions.
21:22:19 <@Tsukatu> No.
21:22:20 <@Obby> Such as...
21:22:25 <@Tsukatu> The answer to that was actually, NO.
21:22:35 <%Dylan> No. You can't obby.
21:22:39 <@Tsukatu> You really can't, ddue.
21:22:41 <@Tsukatu> *dude
21:22:44 <@Obby> hahahhaha
21:22:51 <%Dylan> There are so many different fucking variables that can change anything.
21:22:57 <@Tsukatu> Right.
21:23:04 <%Dylan> Then you multiply that by 6000 fucking years.
21:23:06 <@Tsukatu> Including dumbass sheppherds making shit up and you believing them.
21:23:07 <@Obby> You're actually a giant chocolate rabbit Tsukatu.
21:23:21 <@Obby> And I wont let you say why you think differently.
21:23:27 <@Obby> I will just keep saying what I think.
21:23:45 <@Obby> And insult you, and completely disregard anything you say.
21:23:50 <@Tsukatu> See, the difference between that claim and the chance that the Bible may have been altered slightly is that we have TONS of assurance that I'm not a chocolate
bunny, whereas we have ZERO assurance that God's word remained correct to this day.
21:23:55 <@Obby> And you know what, I think I'll feel proud about myself!
21:24:01 <@Tsukatu> Aw, crap, he's going manic again.
21:24:14 <@Obby> Now. *ahem*
21:24:23 <@Tsukatu> You okay?
21:24:25 <@Tsukatu> Were you hearing God again?
21:24:33 <@Obby> Will you allow me to tell you why I think the message won't be interpreted incorrectly?
21:24:48 <@Obby> Or are you going to insult me for a bit longer?
21:25:01 <@Tsukatu> Uh... sure?
21:25:07 <@Tsukatu> Why it won't be interpreted correctly?
21:25:09 <@Tsukatu> By all means.
21:25:12 <@Tsukatu> Isn't that, like, what I was saying?
21:25:13 <@Obby> Are you positive?
21:25:23 <@Obby> Like, can you contain yourself for a minute or two?
21:25:29 <@Tsukatu> No, sure, if you wanna turn your argument right the fuck around and start agreeing with me, I have no problems.
21:25:37 <@Tsukatu> Please, by all means.
21:26:07 <@tktktk> I think you misread what he said, Tsukatu.
21:26:21 <@Tsukatu> I think you're a nigger, tktktk.
21:26:31 <@Obby> The message wouldn't be misinterpreted because of the fact the the people devote their lives, lives which already took great pride in keeping up with their
religion?
21:26:39 <@tktktk> Uh-huh. Well, you'd be wrong. :)
21:26:48 <@Tsukatu> tktktk: Really? I thought I saw pictures...
21:27:11 <@Tsukatu> Obby: People devotion, no matter how fanatic, is STILL not anything resembling assurance that what they thought was the word of God actually was the word of God.
21:27:21 <@tktktk> Um, nope.
21:27:29 <@Tsukatu> Also, news flash, people devote their lives to some crazy bizarre shit!
21:27:31 <@Tsukatu> Don't make it right!
21:27:35 <@Tsukatu> They devote their /lives/, Obby!
21:27:41 <@Tsukatu> Their /lives/.
21:27:45 <%Dylan> Listen, we can ramble on all day about how people devote themselves to shit.
21:27:46 <@Obby> And also, you showed these people how infinite your powers are. They were astounded. And because they already had the ability to keep ideas straight.
21:28:07 <%Dylan> But the only thing that really gets to me is, this shit was written 6000 years ago.
21:28:16 <%Dylan> This isn't the fucking Secret, man.
21:28:18 <@Tsukatu> Wait, hold on, which stories are you saying literally happened, and which were just made up to teach lessons? I want to be clear and explicit on this.
21:28:50 <@Obby> They wouldn't misinterpret a simple idea, when they saw your might, and they already showed they were able to keep religions going for many years.
21:29:04 <@Tsukatu> And no, don't talk about Jebus. Jebus was invented 400 years after he was allegedly born and did shit.
21:29:11 <@Obby> I'm talking about the 10 commandments. The only necessary part of the bible.
21:29:23 <@Obby> Are you serious Tsukatu?
21:29:27 <@Tsukatu> Oh, I thought it was the "love Jesus and you're set," wasn't it?
21:29:34 <%Dylan> So gays are cool, then?
21:29:35 <@Tsukatu> Wasn't that the only requirement, post-Jesus?
21:29:50 <@Obby> 10 commandments incorporate
21:29:53 <%Dylan> Suki: Well, for Protestants, kinda...
21:29:56 <@Tsukatu> Like, no, I'm serious, the 10 commandments aren't /actually/ relevant anymore, are they?
21:29:58 <@Obby> Jesus because He is God.
21:30:15 <@Tsukatu> No, no, it was some kind of "the only requirement is to believe that Jesus is God."
21:30:22 <@Tsukatu> Y'know, "all sins can be forgiven," etc.
21:30:40 <%Dylan> Except for like, if you have a rape orgy and you kill everyone.
21:30:43 <@Obby> Don't tell me what I believe Tsukatu, especially when you have misinterpreted it.
21:30:45 <%Dylan> That might be a bit hard to explain.
21:30:46 <@Tsukatu> Well, except blaspheming against God, Himself! And I took the Blasphemy Challenge, so I guaranteed myself to be fucked.
21:31:04 <%Dylan> We're all going to hell.
21:31:11 <@Obby> Love God. That's a commandment. Jesus is God. So it works out.
21:31:16 <%Dylan> Except for maybe Obby. He's going to Purgatory.
21:31:28 <@Tsukatu> Y'know, Obby, I'm really still just waiting for an exaplantion of why you're so sure that the version you're hearing of God's message is actually the legitimate
version. Cuz you seem to rely an awful lot on the human factor, and that's historically been a terrible idea.
21:31:29 <%Dylan> See? That's what scares me about God.
21:31:41 <@Obby> Did you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit?
21:31:42 <%Dylan> Loving god is a fucking commandment.
21:31:58 <%Dylan> It's like fucking Macchiavelli. Iron fist rulers, and all that.
21:32:28 <%Dylan> I mean, there are two types of dictators: benevolent, and oppressive. And God is trying to be both sides of the card.
21:32:31 <@Obby> Dylan, if you created a universe and inhabited it with people to love you, wouldn't you make it important that they love you?
21:32:34 <%Dylan> And that doesn't fly with me...
21:32:44 <%Dylan> I wouldn't MAKE them love me.
21:32:45 <@Tsukatu> Obby: Girl playing with dollies, GO.
21:32:58 <@Obby> You don't have to make them love you Dylan.
21:33:09 <%Dylan> And besides that, I'd be content with animals...
21:33:10 <@Obby> You tell them it would be in their best interest to love you.
21:33:15 <@Obby> It's up to them.
21:33:16 <@Tsukatu> God is a deranged little girl playing with dollies, Obby. I haven't heard you address that yet.
21:33:22 <@Tsukatu> You've been dancin' nimbly around it.
21:33:27 <%Dylan> And that doesn't sound like oppressive to you?
21:33:29 <@Obby> Would you like to know why Tsukatu?
21:33:45 <@Tsukatu> Cuz you know deep down inside that you're wrong and are a closet atheist but are ashamed to admit it?
21:33:47 <%Dylan> It's kinda like a mobster going "It'd be in your best interests to kiss the boss's feet"
21:33:47 <@Tsukatu> God, I hope that's true.
21:34:08 <@Obby> Dylan, do you think that parents telling their kids that it is in their best interest that they go to bed on time, else they get in trouble or worse?
21:34:18 <@Obby> Is that oppresive?
21:34:26 <@Tsukatu> Ahp, there we go, he's dodged the bullet again.
21:34:27 <@Tsukatu> OBBY.
21:34:29 <@Obby> No, that's not why Tsukatu.
21:34:30 <@Tsukatu> LITTLE GIRL.
21:34:31 <@Tsukatu> DOLLIES.
21:34:57 <@Tsukatu> Please explain to me how God is unlike the little girl I have described.
21:35:07 <@Tsukatu> Please include "God" and "little girl" and "dollies" in your explanation.
21:35:23 <%Dylan> I'd let them see what happens. I don't believe parents should barr kids from experience.
21:35:30 <@Obby> You have yet to prove a single reason why I should even be talking about this with you. You constantly insult me, mock my beliefs, act irrational, are completely
1 sided, and still have yet you comprehend the possibility that you may not be right.
21:35:37 <@Tsukatu> Obby: You started it, didn't you?
21:35:41 <%Dylan> XD
21:35:44 <@Tsukatu> I mean...
21:35:46 <@Tsukatu> Really now.
21:35:52 <%Dylan> Now this is turning to school yard stuff...
21:36:04 <@Obby> Dylan, parent's don't bar their kids.
21:36:10 <@Tsukatu> Obby, I have asked you two questions, both of which you have competely, COMPLETELY, failed to answer.
21:36:20 <@Obby> They tell them their will be consequences for their actions.
21:36:24 <@Tsukatu> I've really just been chilling and waiting for you to give me a solid answer.
21:36:41 <%Dylan> Ok, fuck, Obby.
21:36:44 <@Tsukatu> How are you sure? "People were psychotic," "it was a simple message," and other shit you said was nowhere close to an answer.
21:37:04 <%Dylan> I'm going to stop talking, not because I don't have an answer, but I think Suki has valid points that need to be addressed.
21:37:09 <@Tsukatu> Explain the little girl, Obby. "You suck and are insulting" is not a valid answer.
21:37:22 <@Tsukatu> If you're not going to meet me half-way, Obby, you're right, there really is no point.
21:37:23 <%Dylan> Plus I should've known better than to fuck around in shit like this.
21:37:28 <@Tsukatu> I asked you those long ago, and kept on asking.
21:37:36 <@Tsukatu> And you kept getting off-topic and blithering about how Jesus loves us.
21:37:40 <@Tsukatu> And I kept dragging it back to that question.
21:37:43 <@Obby> You never answered /my/ question Tsukatu.
21:37:47 <@Tsukatu> I just got bored of dragging it back to the question you kept dodging.
21:37:52 <@Tsukatu> What was the question, Obby?
21:37:55 <@Tsukatu> I'll be more than happy to answer.
21:38:05 <@Obby> Your answer may persuade my to listen to your doll idea.
21:38:20 <@Tsukatu> What, if I answer in a way that agrees with your fucked up worldview?
21:38:21 <@Obby> Have you blasphemed against the holy spirit, which you so happily boasted.
21:38:24 <@Tsukatu> Ooh, sorry, I didn't just say that.
21:38:52 <@Tsukatu> Obby: Yeah. As far as I know, I have intentionally tried to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit in the most effective and accurate manner as I understood it.
21:39:05 <@Tsukatu> If I did it wrong, hopefully he'll get the message.
21:39:09 <@Tsukatu> *He'll.
21:39:18 <%Dylan> Unless it takes 6000 years to reach him...
21:39:19 <@Tsukatu> Haha, that looks like 'Hell'.
21:39:24 <@Tsukatu> Which is where you think I'm going, presumably.
21:39:40 <@Tsukatu> Oh, dude, Dylan, you missed this priceless moment earlier...
21:39:49 <@Tsukatu> I was talking to Obby about sex without God, and he said, and I quote...
21:39:50 <@Obby> Well then. I have absolutely no reason to debate with you any more.
21:39:51 <%Dylan> Hmm?
21:39:59 <@Tsukatu> Obby: Excellent strategy!
21:40:02 <@Tsukatu> Close the eye of reason!
21:40:14 <@Obby> But if it makes you happy, then gopher it.
21:40:15 <@Tsukatu> We can't be thinking about things /rationally/ now, can we?
21:40:24 <@Tsukatu> I'm possessed by Satan, Obby! Booga-ooga!
21:40:29 <%Dylan> O_O. Heh.
21:40:31 <@Obby> No. You, according to me beliefs, won't be saved.
21:40:52 <@Tsukatu> And that's an /excellent/ reason to not take me seriously anymore, right?
21:40:52 <%Dylan> Emm.
21:40:58 <@Tsukatu> Dude, I /love/ how condescending Christianity is.
21:41:04 <@Tsukatu> They say they're not judgmental, but this Obby kid...
21:41:05 <%Dylan> Isn't one of the commandments "Love Thy Neighbor" and such?
21:41:21 <@Tsukatu> Well, he just said I'm incapable of having sex morally, no matter who with and under what circumstances.
21:41:27 <@Obby> Tsukatu, you admitted to doing the one thing that is the biggest possible no-no.
21:41:37 <@Tsukatu> Obby: Yeah, man. Hundreds have done it.
21:41:42 <@Tsukatu> We got free DVD's and everything.
21:41:48 <@Tsukatu> Rational Response Squad. Google 'em.
21:41:59 <@Obby> Don't you just love Trolling, Tsukatu?
21:42:08 <@tktktk> I thought blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was basically the failure to become a Christian at any point in one's life.
21:42:13 <%Dylan> Off topic, Obs.
21:42:14 <@tktktk> I could be totally wrong, though.
21:42:14 <@Tsukatu> I'm not as good at it as a typical Christian, but yeah, it's fun.
21:42:40 <@Tsukatu> I mean, I don't needlessly condescend to people like you're doing to me, and then act holier-than-thou as though I'm incapable of it, after I just fucking did
it.
21:42:57 <@Tsukatu> That takes a particular brand of insanity that I'm afraid I was never able to pick up.
21:42:58 <@Obby> Blasphemy; the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
21:43:06 <@Tsukatu> Oh. Really?
21:43:07 <@Obby> Doing so is the one unforgivable sin.
21:43:14 <@Tsukatu> All I did was say that I denounce the Holy Spirit.
21:43:22 <@Tsukatu> But if you want, I could say I have the rights and qualities of God.
21:43:24 <@Tsukatu> Y'ready?
21:43:36 <@Tsukatu> (He's not gonna ban me or anything, is he? :X)
21:43:42 * Tsukatu clears his throat.
21:43:43 <%Dylan> Hehe.
21:43:44 <@Tsukatu> You watching this, Obby?
21:43:57 <%Dylan> You are watching a man go to hell, Obs.
21:43:59 <@Tsukatu> Obby?
21:44:05 <@Tsukatu> C'mon, man. This doesn't happen every day, y'know.
21:44:23 <@Tsukatu> Aw, fuck, I think I just convinced him not to talk, cuz he knows I'll do it.
21:44:31 <@Tsukatu> And...
21:44:33 <@Tsukatu> Hmm...
21:44:34 <@Obby> I have been tempted to, but only because you act more like a child, than any educated person, as you claim to e.
21:44:58 <%Dylan> This whole conversation has been childish. But I want to see where it goes.
21:44:59 <@Tsukatu> Wait, you've been tempted to ban me?
21:45:05 <@Tsukatu> Dylan: You have no idea.
21:45:13 <%Dylan> Heh.
21:45:21 <@Tsukatu> You just /can't/ get a straight answer from a Christian these days. /Can't/.
21:45:21 <@Obby> Dylan, I'm actually watching a guy who is completely overconfident in his own capabilities mock my core beliefs.
21:45:38 <@Tsukatu> Oh, hey, wait, I answered your shit, Obby. How 'bout you answer mine?
21:45:45 <@Tsukatu> Y'know, the first fucking question I even asked you?
21:45:48 <%Dylan> Ahh, but in the interest of proving his point.
21:45:52 <@Tsukatu> The one I kept dragging the subject back to?
21:45:55 <@Tsukatu> The one you continued to ignore?
21:46:14 <@Obby> Have at it Tsukatu.
21:46:15 <@Tsukatu> (of two)
21:46:25 <@Tsukatu> Don't tell me you don't remember 'em.
21:46:28 <@Tsukatu> How could you not?
21:46:39 <@Tsukatu> You were reading them and avoiding responding to them.
21:46:53 <@Tsukatu> With the frequency with which I mentioned them, you /couldn't/ have legitimately failed to notice.
21:47:07 <@Obby> I'm just an ignorant Christian, and I couldn't possibly keep my stories straight. So no, I don't remember them.
21:47:28 <@Tsukatu> Well, step one is admitting you have a problem, Obby, so I want you to know that I'm proud of you.
21:47:39 <@Obby> Please repeat them. I will answer them.
21:47:44 <@Tsukatu> And that I also forgive you of your mortal sins unto me, as I have the capability to grant you such clemency.
21:47:53 <@Tsukatu> Y'know, objectively.
21:47:54 <@Tsukatu> *ahem*
21:48:21 <@Tsukatu> You believe that you are receiving the legitimate message of God - where does your assurance come from?
21:48:34 <@Obby> I do.
21:48:35 <@Tsukatu> Let me remind you that "people were fanatics" is not a reasonable answer.
21:48:46 <@Obby> And I already answered that second question.
21:48:47 <@Tsukatu> let me remind you also that "the message was simple" is not a reasonable answer.
21:49:01 <@Tsukatu> I... haven't asked the second question.
21:49:02 <@Tsukatu> o_o
21:49:08 <@Tsukatu> Dude, seriously, are you /reading/ this shit?
21:49:14 <@Obby> "Class, what is 2+5?" "Oh, and 7 is not an answer."
21:49:27 <@Tsukatu> I...
21:49:28 <@Tsukatu> Obby...
21:49:30 <@Obby> My mistake. You're second point, first question.
21:49:33 <%Dylan> That's some pretty existential shit, Obs.
21:49:36 * Tsukatu groans.
21:49:53 <@Tsukatu> Okay, let's build on the first question...
21:49:55 <@Obby> I thought you meant, do you believe you are receiving a legitimate message,
21:50:02 <%Dylan> Let me reiterate Suki's point, Obs.
21:50:05 <@Tsukatu> Why do you have this ricockulous belief that people being fanatic about something makes the something true.
21:50:12 <%Dylan> Em. Yes. That.
21:50:25 <@Tsukatu> You realize that Muslim extremists exist, right?
21:50:30 <@Tsukatu> They're fuckin' nutso about Allah.
21:50:36 <@Tsukatu> They dedicate their /lives/ to it, man!
21:50:40 <%Dylan> And how does the message being simple also equivalate truthfulness.
21:50:44 <@Tsukatu> That too.
21:50:49 <@Tsukatu> I just DON'T GET IT.
21:51:04 <@Obby> Lets me answer that with a question. "You love the game of chess. You devote your life to it. Is it not logical to say you will at the very least be able to
carry on the core idea of chess?"
21:51:08 <@Tsukatu> Why are you of the mindset that either of these two things is anything resembling any kind of assurance whatsoever?
21:51:36 <@Tsukatu> Obby: No, because I'm a dumbass human, Chess is written in Greek, lost over the years, recompiled by faulty humans, and mistranslated for 6000 years.
21:51:38 <@Obby> Simplicity negates the greater possibility of mistakes.
21:51:52 <@Tsukatu> Not to mention that this "simplicity" has spawned > 30 Christian sects.
21:51:57 <@Obby> Don't step around the question, Tsukatu.
21:52:00 <@Tsukatu> I'm not.
21:52:13 <@Obby> Say Chess was just taught to you now.
21:52:17 <@Tsukatu> Sure.
21:52:29 <@Obby> You love the game of chess. You devote your life to it. Is it not logical to say you will at the very least be able to carry on the core idea of chess?
21:52:42 <@Tsukatu> What are you calling the 'core idea of chess'?
21:52:57 <@Obby> :o
21:53:01 <@Tsukatu> No, seriously.
21:53:08 <@Obby> To win the game.
21:53:13 <@Tsukatu> Am I crazy? Like, did that not make sense to anyone else, or was it just me?
21:53:20 <@Tsukatu> That's the purpose of chess?
21:53:26 <@tktktk> I figured he meant the basic rules.
21:53:26 <@Obby> To take down the opposing important pieces.
21:53:29 <@Tsukatu> Um... sure, I guess. Yeah, I can carry it on.
21:53:31 <@Obby> That's the purpose.
21:53:55 <@Tsukatu> But consider that some dumbass between now and 6000 years from now can get the idea that Chess represents battles between ancient Gods, and that that's the core
of chess.
21:54:01 <@Obby> Now say, in this example, chess was RE-DIH-HICK-ulously easy to play.
21:54:11 <@Tsukatu> I mean, are you denying that for a span of 6000 years that a moron could have possibly existed?
21:54:31 <@Obby> You assume (again) that Christianity was carried down by one person at a time.
21:54:39 <@Tsukatu> Er... no, I'm really not.
21:54:53 <@Tsukatu> Anyone who sees chess being played can develop his own crackpot ideas and tell his friends.
21:55:02 <@Obby> "some dumbass" one person.
21:55:04 <@Tsukatu> It really, REALLY doesn't take a lot to start such a mindset.
21:55:16 <%Dylan> Well, Obs.
21:55:25 <%Dylan> There are lots of dumbasses in the world.
21:55:29 <@Obby> Yes, but what about the other thousands of people that play chess correctly, and carry on the correct idea.
21:55:32 <%Dylan> Even more back then, probably.
21:55:40 <@Tsukatu> Y'know what, I'm even gonna make a huge assumption and almost hand this shit over to you, Obby.
21:55:42 <@Obby> Proof of that?
21:55:42 <@Tsukatu> Let's say this:
21:55:48 <@Obby> Because this stuff it common sense.
21:55:57 <@Obby> And people didn't live long without common sense.
21:55:58 <@Tsukatu> You can be 99% sure that you have the right version.
21:56:02 <%Dylan> Proof? Darwin. Gene pools. Etc.
21:56:11 <@Tsukatu> But you still have the 1% doubt.
21:56:17 <@Obby> Ok.
21:56:18 <@Tsukatu> So why... I mean...
21:56:35 <@Tsukatu> That still, in the grand scheme of things, equates to literally zero evidence.
21:56:41 <@Tsukatu> You believe something completely without evidence that it's right.
21:56:41 <@Obby> To simplify this more than it rightfully should, you wouldn't put your money on the 99%?
21:56:50 <@Tsukatu> You're betting!? :D :D
21:56:59 <%Dylan> Hehe.
21:57:14 <%Dylan> "I bet that God exists!" "You're on!" *suicide*
21:57:22 <@Obby> Well, I'm done talking about thi.s
21:57:31 <@Tsukatu> Even so, Obs, the assurance is that what God said was legitimately passed down to you. That doesn't mean that it's all just made-up hooey anyway.
21:57:34 <@Obby> I honestly expected *one* of you to be reasonable.
21:57:38 <@Tsukatu> We haven't even gotten to that level yet.
21:57:49 <@Tsukatu> Dude, Obs, you're believing shit without reason.
21:57:51 <@Obby> But I was wrong. Neither of you seem to be able to hold a decent conversation.
21:57:57 <@Tsukatu> We've been asking you to show us one reason, any reason.
21:57:58 <@Tsukatu> You have failed.
21:58:03 <%Dylan> Hey!
21:58:16 <@Obby> To you, Tsukatu, to you I have failed.
21:58:18 <@Tsukatu> Can you say "perfectly representantive of a Christian mindset."
21:58:19 <@Obby> EOD, YO.
21:58:33 <@Tsukatu> EAD, Obby.
21:58:34 <@Tsukatu> EAD.
21:58:41 <@Tsukatu> In fact, EABOD.
21:58:45 <@Obby> idk, my bff jill?
21:58:52 <@Tsukatu> You're going to Hell, Obby.
21:59:06 <@Obby> Perhaps.
21:59:11 <@Tsukatu> Sorry, I was planning on whipping that one out at some point in the conversation.
21:59:16 <@Tsukatu> And I realized I forgot to until just now.
21:59:34 <@Obby> Congrats.
21:59:37 <@Tsukatu> Well, I use 'conversation' very loosely.
21:59:40 <@Obby> Hope all goes well with that.
21:59:50 <@Tsukatu> I HAVE THE POWERS AND RIGHTS OF GOD HIMSELF.
21:59:53 <@Tsukatu> I AM MORE MIGHTY THAN GOD LOL.
22:00:02 <@Tsukatu> BOW DOWN BEFORE ME OBBY FOR I HAVE REVEALED MYSELF.
22:00:15 <@Tsukatu> HELL HEAR I COME LOL
22:00:20 * Obby looks up.
22:00:27 * Tsukatu smites Obby.
22:00:30 <@Tsukatu> HAHA SEE??
22:00:44 <@Tsukatu> Oh, wait, dude...
22:00:53 <@Tsukatu> Since I'm a lost cause, this means you're gonna stop praying for me, right?
22:01:12 <@Obby> No.
22:01:20 <@Tsukatu> Cuz, like, I'd have these crazy powerful headaches when you did, and the demonic voices stopped... but then they came back, like, an hour later, so it was all
coo'.
22:01:33 <@Tsukatu> Wait, why not?
22:01:39 <@Tsukatu> I'm a lost cause, dude!
22:01:43 <@Obby> So?
22:01:50 <@Tsukatu> So liek wats the point lol??
22:02:11 <@Obby> I can still pray that you have a happy life. That you are successful. That you do some good for this world.
22:02:21 <@Tsukatu> Aw, fuck. Y'got me there.
22:02:24 <@Tsukatu> Fuckin' Christians...
22:02:40 <@Tsukatu> You wish me a happy life of immoral sex?
22:02:51 <@Tsukatu> Incurably, permanently immoral sex?
22:04:13 <@Obby> Do you always mock people like this Tsukatu?
22:04:21 <@Obby> Or do you do it to be funny?
22:04:22 <@Tsukatu> Uhhhh...
22:04:24 <@Tsukatu> SHYEAH.
22:04:29 <%Dylan> Of course not. He wants you to change your ways! Be taken under God's wing!
22:04:30 <@Tsukatu> Dylan, get a load of this.
22:04:57 <%Dylan> Obby, take a lot at anything Suki's every written, man.
22:04:58 <@Tsukatu> I mock people when I think they're being silly.
22:05:01 <%Dylan> *look
22:05:16 <%Dylan> *ever
22:05:16 <@Tsukatu> Otherwise, I'm perfectly capable of having a serious discussion.
22:05:18 <%Dylan> Fuck.
22:05:27 <@Tsukatu> Just... y'know, when I'm not met halfway, I get bored.
22:05:58 <@Tsukatu> I was seriously playing minesweeper on the side at one point in that conversation.
22:05:58 <@Obby> http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=17756&st=40
22:06:08 <@Obby> I reallllly overestimate you Tsukatu,
22:06:48 <@Tsukatu> I think you have very little to work with in determining that, Obby.
22:07:12 <@Tsukatu> For one thing, I highly doubt that you've actually seen me argue something seriously with you, because everything we start ends up like this.
22:07:32 <@Tsukatu> I start off serious, you spin off on tangents and generally refuse to address what I'm saying.
22:07:34 <@Tsukatu> And then we end up here.
22:07:49 <@Tsukatu> I, having long ago gotten bored of the conversation, resort to trolling.
22:07:52 <@Obby> Because you /push/ it this way.
22:08:07 <@Tsukatu> Obby, I kept trying to fucking DRAG you back on topic.
22:08:19 <@Tsukatu> You kept blithering about the most irrelevant shit under the Sun...
22:08:20 <%Dylan> If we ever have a MetaCon or any shit like that, we're putting you two in a boxing ring.
22:08:22 <@Obby> All you did was mock me Tsukatu.
22:08:28 <@Tsukatu> After a certain point, yeah.
22:08:37 <@Obby> You may think that your little quips were trying to get back on topic.
22:08:43 <@Tsukatu> But only after I restated my first fucking question, like, eight times, each time in vain.
22:08:55 <@Obby> But insulting someone for not talking about one of your points isn't a good way to get what you want.
22:09:08 <@Tsukatu> "Why are you convinced, Obby?" "Obby, why are you convinced?" "Obby, stop getting off-topic - why are you convinced?"
22:09:15 <@Tsukatu> And you gave me the most bogus set of non-reasons...
22:09:20 <@Obby> I told you multiple times.
22:09:29 <@Tsukatu> "I trust people for some dumb fucking reason!"
22:09:42 <@Obby> Every time I gave you a reason, you told me it is applicable.
22:09:47 <@Tsukatu> "Cuz everyone knows that details are NEVER corrupted when stories are passed down verbally!"
22:09:53 <@Tsukatu> "I have never played the telephone game!"
22:10:08 <@Obby> Go on.
22:10:27 <@Obby> I'm interested to see how much more you can prove that you are possibly the least deserving of the staff.
22:10:31 <@Tsukatu> Dude, a fucking kindergartener who has played the telephone game can tell you why your biggest reason for being so bloody sure was a royal pile.
22:10:41 <@Obby> You /just/ admitted to trolling when you get bored.
22:10:42 <@Tsukatu> Haha, what, because I'm a blasphemer?
22:10:50 <@Tsukatu> OBBY; IRC LOL
22:11:28 <@Obby> It may be different forms of communication, but your still the same person.
22:11:35 <@Tsukatu> ANY of the staff can look at the shit I do, how I act in SD versus IRC versus elsewhere on the forums, and know that what you're saying about my conduct is
untrue.
22:11:46 <@Obby> Any?
22:11:49 <@Tsukatu> ANY
22:11:51 <@Obby> Shall we put that to the test?
22:11:57 <@Tsukatu> No, seriously, bring it up to Blizz. Tell LV.
22:12:00 <@Tsukatu> LV, you catching this?
22:12:07 <@Obby> Dave too?
22:12:13 <@Tsukatu> Obby here thinks that I'm not deserving of a staff position, because I troll constantly.
22:12:23 <@Tsukatu> Yeah, go for it. Tell Dave that I deserve demotion.
22:12:24 <@Obby> Again, you put words in my mouth.
22:12:28 <@Tsukatu> Tell ALL of them.
22:12:33 <@Tsukatu> Tell them all I deserve to be demoted, Obby.
22:12:42 <@Obby> That's not what I'm saying
22:12:50 <@Obby> I said you were the least deserving because of how you act.
22:12:55 <%Dylan> On a lighter note, I got one of the leads in my school play. :D
22:13:03 <~LittleViking> Oh, you do troll a fair amount, but you're also one of our better moderators.
22:13:04 <@Tsukatu> And, as I've said, I act perfectly fine within the circumstances.
22:13:08 <~LittleViking> Odd how that works.
22:13:11 <@Tsukatu> LOL
22:13:22 * tktktk agrees with Tsukatu.
22:13:32 <@tktktk> I mean LV.
22:13:33 <@tktktk> Sorry.
22:13:43 <@Tsukatu> tktktk: There's not a lot of difference.
22:13:48 <@tktktk> Eheh.
22:13:48 <~LittleViking> Heh.
22:14:06 <@Tsukatu> Well, y'know, Obby's just letting this mod shit get to his head. I did NOT deserve that warn.
22:14:14 <@Tsukatu> None of the older mods would've given it to me.
22:14:47 <@Tsukatu> 22:13:03 <~LittleViking> Oh, you do troll a fair amount
22:14:53 <@Tsukatu> I've been getting better. ;_;
22:15:43 <~LittleViking> That's true, you have.
22:15:50 <@Tsukatu> So, Obby, unless you have any more shit to fling my way, I'm gonna resume writing my rant about d10's superiority to d20, as I promised Atilla I would.
22:16:24 <@Obby> I have no more shit to fling, as you so eloquently put it.
22:16:38 <~LittleViking> I hope you bring up d100's in your argument.
22:17:06 <@Tsukatu> LittleViking: Oh, I'm planning on it.