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Jul 19 17:29:01 <_JSR_> hey winter
Jul 19 17:29:07 <_JSR_> the same happened to me with stonecypher
Jul 19 17:29:14 <_JSR_> look at what happen with smileydude
Jul 19 17:31:36 <_JSR_> hey man , just watch !
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Jul 23 18:51:25 <_JSR_> back
Jul 23 18:52:02 <WinterMute> heh, so I see
Jul 23 18:52:14 <WinterMute> [18:48] <WinterMute> the purpose of an op is to control the channel and enforce the rules
Jul 23 18:52:14 <WinterMute> [18:48] <WinterMute> some people object to that control being exercised because it somehow interferes with their freedom
Jul 23 18:52:14 <WinterMute> [18:49] <WinterMute> some of those people then keep coming back to channel and loudly proclaiming their rights to steal other people's work
Jul 23 18:52:14 <WinterMute> [18:50] <WinterMute> we then exercise our right to remove them from channel and so it repeats
Jul 23 18:53:43 <_JSR_> it's true, but you know that the theory
Jul 23 18:53:55 <_JSR_> and practical is always different than theory
Jul 23 18:54:15 <_JSR_> the arguments that sc participates in tend to lead to aggravated discussions
Jul 23 18:54:56 <WinterMute> well look at this discussion going on now
Jul 23 18:55:44 <WinterMute> there's a bit of a rampant refusal to actually make sense going on on the other side of that
Jul 23 18:56:18 <WinterMute> I've been involved in similar discussions before & had the argument get incredibly heated
Jul 23 18:56:33 <WinterMute> does that make *me* a bad person?
Jul 23 18:56:45 <WinterMute> does that make *me* unworthy to be a channel op?
Jul 23 18:57:00 <_JSR_> let me say this, (it's hard for me to be understood as english is not at all my monther tongue)
Jul 23 18:57:24 <_JSR_> when you are on channel, you read what everybody says (not all the time)
Jul 23 18:57:39 <_JSR_> you agree silentely to some people
Jul 23 18:57:42 <_JSR_> you react
Jul 23 18:57:46 <_JSR_> you disagree
Jul 23 18:57:47 <_JSR_> ...
Jul 23 18:58:30 <_JSR_> there is somekind a base
Jul 23 18:58:45 <_JSR_> when you talk with a person on channel because you have in mind
Jul 23 18:58:50 <_JSR_> some of the discussion he had
Jul 23 18:59:29 <_JSR_> if someone quickly heat a discussion
Jul 23 18:59:49 <_JSR_> he could be because of his caracter, but if a lot go this way
Jul 23 19:00:15 <_JSR_> it's because they do not already *apreciate* the person
Jul 23 19:01:25 <_JSR_> SC answer to dev question but he also give his feelings about it
Jul 23 19:01:27 <_JSR_> all the time
Jul 23 19:01:52 <_JSR_> so you must have an idea about him
Jul 23 19:02:23 <WinterMute> I've known him for a long time
Jul 23 19:02:57 <WinterMute> I'm really not sure why we're having this discussion
Jul 23 19:03:09 <_JSR_> and i'm sure it irritate most people the way that SC argue/answer
Jul 23 19:03:20 <WinterMute> would we still be having it if you hadn't been kicked and hanging around with people who hate SC?
Jul 23 19:03:51 <_JSR_> it's a good point but no
Jul 23 19:04:06 <WinterMute> that's a big mistake - you're projecting your own emotions on other people
Jul 23 19:04:07 <_JSR_> the 2nd time i talked with him
Jul 23 19:04:27 <_JSR_> i told him i was going to eat a sandwhich
Jul 23 19:04:38 <_JSR_> he asked me what type
Jul 23 19:04:45 <WinterMute> we have about 200 regulars in channel, usually about 70 or so at once
Jul 23 19:04:48 <_JSR_> i said with meat and stuff
Jul 23 19:05:08 <_JSR_> then during 5mn he told me the right way to make it myself
Jul 23 19:05:16 <WinterMute> lol
Jul 23 19:05:23 <WinterMute> he's a total food freak
Jul 23 19:05:25 <_JSR_> i was like, wtf is this guy
Jul 23 19:05:31 <WinterMute> he does that all the time
Jul 23 19:06:12 <_JSR_> i think this situation would apply but in a bad way in argueing
Jul 23 19:06:18 <WinterMute> don't take it personally - he just loves his food and telling other people how to make the "best" sandwiches
Jul 23 19:07:15 <_JSR_> i think he is a smart guy, soemtimes he help a lot on hard question
Jul 23 19:07:26 <_JSR_> but his way of answering is kinda rude to everybody
Jul 23 19:07:55 <WinterMute> it's not as rude as you think it is
Jul 23 19:08:21 <_JSR_> in real life, we all know a guy who act a lot ruder than everybody but he is not whole bad, it's just himself
Jul 23 19:08:38 <_JSR_> that's my point of view
Jul 23 19:08:59 <_JSR_> we would put a guy like that this in top of an organisation
Jul 23 19:09:03 <_JSR_> we would not
Jul 23 19:09:16 <_JSR_> because he could make problems
Jul 23 19:09:34 <_JSR_> that'sthe way i see it
Jul 23 19:13:03 <_JSR_> have to eat, bon appetit
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