<DiegoMax> geez
<DiegoMax> i cant believe this
<DiegoMax> ok
<DiegoMax> netkas asked me to invite him here
<DiegoMax> because he haves something really importnat to say
<DiegoMax> anybody haves a problem ?
<DiegoMax> well
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<netkas> so, what gfx you have guys ?
<DiegoMax> i think nobody is here
<DiegoMax> i asked for opinions about inviting you, and nobody asked
<DiegoMax> **answered
<netkas> a liitle history...apple made ati r3xx r4xx drivers are ppc-only since 410 and wwdc build
<netkas> awful, isn't it ?
<SynthetiX> it is
<netkas> I tried leo without qe/ci - it's awfull
<netkas> I have to change my gfx
<netkas> so....apple can make gf5xxx gf6xxx drivers ppc-only too
<netkas> and now ask yourself - do you want this ?
<SynthetiX> I couldn't get my geforce working either
<SynthetiX> it was ugly
<Myzar> just the cpu
<netkas> Apple can make it just to show - who is boss here ?
<Myzar> software ci is great with a decent cpu
<Myzar> it's even faster than tiger with QE/CI
<netkas> and if someone wil lrelease this shit b4 october...Then "community" wil lsay you thx for missing acceleration on that gfx..
<netkas> Myzar, u have x2, that why
<Myzar> :)
<SynthetiX> I got tiger's geforce drivers working with leopard fine.
<netkas> they dropped r9700.kext already, and can make it further,
<netkas> SynthetiX, that will not work with r3xx r4xx, i tried all..
<SynthetiX> I know
<SynthetiX> I hae a 7950
<netkas> Nothing to worry for u
<netkas> they will make us qe/ci-less , and we pwned
<netkas> thx will be going to chrome/kiko and oui.
<netkas> btw, isn't kiko on moof ?
<SynthetiX> not right now
<netkas> i said in general
<DiegoMax> or maybe we should care to get the people with skills to code drivers ? or is that impossible ?
<netkas> DiegoMax, u saw r300_dri, nouveau ?
<DiegoMax> like i said netkas
<DiegoMax> i have been really busy this last month
<DiegoMax> and totally outside of the osx86 scene
<DiegoMax> i have no idea aobut the latest developments
<SynthetiX> diegomax: omni already is coding drivers for nvidia
<netkas> that's free mesa dri drivers for r3xxx and r4xx , and for nvidia
<SynthetiX> i've seen nouveau
<SynthetiX> it worked ok on gentoo
<netkas> nviia dri drivers can't even show glxgears with textures, so what r u talking about then
<DiegoMax> all im going to say, for the 10000000000th time
<DiegoMax> is that this division is ridiculous
<netkas> we under apple control, that's real...
<netkas> DiegoMax, I'm talking about other thing now
<netkas> they allowed us to nake tiger/x86
<netkas> and wil lallow to nake leo,, but they will force us to buy new parts
<netkas> I mean total upgrade
<DiegoMax> i trust all the people in here have enough skills to make it real one or another way
<netkas> till apple will allow...
<netkas> they have millions way to stop us
<netkas> np_s has same opinnion
<DiegoMax> brb in a sec
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<netkas> "so don't make lion anger till he silent, or he will kill u" , that's my point about whole leo situation
<interinv> i agree
<SynthetiX> you would... wouldn't you snitch boy?
<netkas> what ?
<netkas> say clearly
<SynthetiX> that was directed to interinv... sorry, i'm just kinda pissed
<SynthetiX> not really at pissed at anyone in particular, just this whole shady backstabbing scene
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<interinv> SynthetiX: i dont follow. what do you mean?
<DiegoMax> he means that whatever netkas says
<DiegoMax> you will agree
<netkas> >:-(
<interinv> oh, he is absolutely wrong
<interinv> and sure - i agree with any1 if he says right things
<SynthetiX> interinv: how about the entire community is split because of 1 person?
<interinv> on my opinion of course
<netkas> SynthetiX, u talking again about me ?
<interinv> i think because of 2
<SynthetiX> i agree 2 people. and yes, netkas, you are one of them
<netkas> then remember who wa me b4 10.4.9...
<netkas> remember,, how known me b4 10.4.9, only then open ur mouth
<interinv> no, netkas is no in the 2
<SynthetiX> so 2 people can divide 1000's of people :(
<interinv> that happens time to time
<DiegoMax> yes interinv
<DiegoMax> that happens from time to time
<DiegoMax> when for example 2 nations are fighting a war
<DiegoMax> and millons of dollars are involved
<DiegoMax> but when that happens without a real reason
<SynthetiX> exactly
<DiegoMax> its called "childish war"
<DiegoMax> and must come to an end
<DiegoMax> what happened here is that a lot of people realized that they can work on their own without the need of a "leader"
<DiegoMax> or an "scene"
<DiegoMax> and they will figure out how to get help from each other when they need it
<interinv> but as i see now all live in peace, in 2 network though
<DiegoMax> some people is just scared to lose their leadership position
<DiegoMax> dunno, i think it so clear
<SynthetiX> it is clear
<netkas> All was ok till today, I waked up and see shit above my door...
<Myzar> no it's not because the matter is different, the question is : is releasing some buggy leo beta good for us or no
<DiegoMax> myzar, who should take that desition ?
<Myzar> what are we going to gain allowing some idiot to install it
<netkas> I think it will make most of us to upgrade parts in october. and it's bad
<Myzar> DiegoMax well atleast who hacked the kernel , but it's commonsense
<Myzar> it's a beta, very buggy
<Myzar> too
<DiegoMax> and who here haves the skills and tools to release this version ?
<netkas> I'm
<netkas> I mean
<netkas> i have alreasy intel dvd 466 :P
<netkas> hehe
<DiegoMax> who else ?
<Myzar> me too
<Myzar> i've an amd dvd already
<SynthetiX> I've got an AMD dvd too
<DiegoMax> so that means that only 3 or 4 people maybe
<DiegoMax> can release a dvd
<DiegoMax> right _
<DiegoMax> ?
<Myzar> guess so
<netkas> chrome/kiko also
<SynthetiX> yeah
<DiegoMax> well i dont know
<DiegoMax> i think everybody is free to do what they want
<DiegoMax> and nobody needs to ask for permission to anybody
<netkas> If onyone will make a shit for other by releasing smth - he should ask
<DiegoMax> but the problem is
<DiegoMax> that maybe what is shit for you
<DiegoMax> is not shit for other people
<DiegoMax> thats lifde
<DiegoMax> **life
<DiegoMax> get used to it man
<DiegoMax> and again, i think people with the skills to release a dvd, buggy or not
<Myzar> but what are we going to gain ?
<DiegoMax> is clever enough to realize themselves if it worths to release or not
<DiegoMax> i dont know myzar
<DiegoMax> you tell me
<Myzar> keeping alow profile and strike with leo final sounds a better plan imho
<DiegoMax> is there anybody at all we could benefit from releasing a buggy version ?
<SynthetiX> what is there to gain by any of this?
<DiegoMax> **is there anything
<DiegoMax> i dont know, all i know is that you all here are working for the same thing and with the same objective, so forget about the differences and focus on whatever is better for everybody, this is not a family, nobody needs to love each other, but at least lets have peace in here :)