2007-07-12T12:52:26 <onestone> marex_v2: ping
2007-07-12T12:58:08 <wfarr> ugh joy
2007-07-12T12:58:13 <wfarr> more mailing list love
2007-07-12T12:58:16 <wfarr> -_-
2007-07-12T12:59:19 <onestone> wfarr: what do you think about mergeing the forums now and do the theming later?
2007-07-12T12:59:36 <wfarr> I think it would be a massive mistake that'd come back to bite us in the ass later
2007-07-12T12:59:51 <onestone> why?
2007-07-12T13:00:04 <wfarr> the one thing that I happen to agree with RYX on is the need to take our time and do things right
2007-07-12T13:00:47 <wfarr> why? namely because things like an integrated website and wiki still need doing (we're kind of held up by the theme right now) too
2007-07-12T13:01:10 <wfarr> what good would it be to launch a merged forum while not having a real quality home page or merged documentation?
2007-07-12T13:02:27 <wfarr> I don't like how long this is taking more than anyone else is, but still, I'd rather have it take longer than expected to turn out a good product than rush something out the door and regret it later
2007-07-12T13:03:59 <onestone> The point is that theming != world. And a project can still have a forum/homepage without theming for a while. And this is better then having nothing
2007-07-12T13:05:17 <wfarr> I disagree with the last part of your statement. I think throwing an unfinished product on the masses with the promise of "Oh - we'll fix it later" _is_ worse than making people wait a little longer
2007-07-12T13:05:38 <wfarr> for now, they have compiz.org and oc.org to post to
2007-07-12T13:05:51 <wfarr> so at least they're not without any forum altogether
2007-07-12T13:06:41 <onestone> leaving the users with a not maintained homepage and 2 forums is not professinal from my POV
2007-07-12T13:07:16 <wfarr> leaving the users with a half-finished main page and forum, and no documentation is even less professional
2007-07-12T13:08:08 <wfarr> this delay sucks - but that's not anyone else's fault other than RYX's
2007-07-12T13:08:33 <wfarr> iXce and I can pick up where he left off (which means pretty much doing the brunt of the work since he barely started on the actual implementation)
2007-07-12T13:08:42 <onestone> I dont't think that without a theme means half finished
2007-07-12T13:09:38 <wfarr> I think a lot of the members might disagree
2007-07-12T13:10:20 <wfarr> If you'll remember, when we first installed vB (before people installed phpbb3 over the top), a fairly significant portion of users were very upset at the lack of a theme and the promise to do one later
2007-07-12T13:11:26 <onestone> And if you look at the oc forum then you will see that there is a forum that has more posts and that works quite well without a theme
2007-07-12T13:16:47 <wfarr> I'm sorry, but I still think pushing things out the door before we have an implemented and working final product is a mistake.
2007-07-12T13:18:11 <onestone> the code is our product not the homepage
2007-07-12T13:19:14 <wfarr> The homepage and forum and documentation are just as much a product as the code. It was what represents us and the quality of the project as a whole when people are looking for support or how-to's or even trying to decide if they want to use Compiz Fusion vs. KDE4's compositing.
2007-07-12T13:19:25 <wfarr> was => is
2007-07-12T13:20:34 <onestone> But having an old unmaintained homepage and 2 forums doesn't show professionality
2007-07-12T13:20:59 <wfarr> And neither does throwing out a cobbled together homepage and a forum with the default theme.
2007-07-12T13:21:33 <wfarr> But at least doing it this way gives us the freedom to give users a final product as opposed to throwing a "beta" on the masses and telling them "Oh - we'll fix it later".
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2007-07-12T13:22:30 <onestone> But how long will it take until we have this "final product"
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2007-07-12T13:23:17 <wfarr> That, I can't say for sure. Now that Rico's bailed on us, and iXce and I don't have the templates he made, chances are we're either going to have to try and make templates in GIMP based on what he had, or come up with our own.
2007-07-12T13:23:54 <wfarr> Not to mention, I'm gone all of next week and working every day the following week, after which, school starts too.
2007-07-12T13:24:13 <wfarr> I'll make time as best I can, but Rico walking out before getting anything really done as far as the theme goes
2007-07-12T13:24:19 <wfarr> was a pretty big setback
2007-07-12T13:24:47 <Amaranth> code is our product
2007-07-12T13:25:11 <Amaranth> the rest of it is not important
2007-07-12T13:25:19 <wfarr> I beg to differ.
2007-07-12T13:25:40 <onestone> In beryl we set up homepage/wiki/forums/planet and the theming was done later, and it worked pefectly
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2007-07-12T13:26:31 <Amaranth> so i'm guessing compiz.org is sticking around
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2007-07-12T13:26:54 <wfarr> Amaranth, that was the plan from the beginning - that compiz will have its own main page
2007-07-12T13:27:03 <wfarr> however, it will be one 'integrated' site
2007-07-12T13:27:06 <Amaranth> no no, i mean as-is
2007-07-12T13:27:13 <marex_v2> onestone, pong
2007-07-12T13:27:26 <wfarr> As-is? Most likely not
2007-07-12T13:27:37 <Amaranth> wfarr: I believe that's up to RYX
2007-07-12T13:27:55 <onestone> marex_v2: int descriptions for list settings doesn't work http://www.pastebin.ca/615373
2007-07-12T13:28:09 <wfarr> uh... you realize that iXce and I are very much responsible for these things too?
2007-07-12T13:28:17 <wfarr> And beyond that, that RYX had a tiff and quit (again)
2007-07-12T13:28:18 <wfarr> ?
2007-07-12T13:28:34 <Amaranth> wfarr: you have access to the dreamhost account and domain name?
2007-07-12T13:28:53 <wfarr> I do not - that's Jeff's (imnotpc) territory I believe
2007-07-12T13:28:58 <onestone> yes
2007-07-12T13:29:22 <wfarr> we've had plenty of talk on the ML, and the fair consensus seems to be an integrated 'site' for Compiz and Compiz Fusion
2007-07-12T13:29:39 <wfarr> such that compiz has its own homepage, as does Compiz Fusion, but the two share documentation, forums, et al.
2007-07-12T13:29:47 <Amaranth> wfarr: so you're using compiz.org for compiz and compiz-fusion?
2007-07-12T13:30:02 <wfarr> domain name-wise?
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2007-07-12T13:30:41 <marex_v2> onestone, hm? doesn't animation already used a (working) list with int desc's?
2007-07-12T13:30:54 <onestone> not as list
2007-07-12T13:30:57 <marex_v2> for the effect selection
2007-07-12T13:32:09 <onestone> there is no int list with descriptions
2007-07-12T13:32:51 <marex_v2> ah sorry yeah thats not a list...
2007-07-12T13:33:30 <onestone> if you install this xml you will get a dialog with matchentry/slider/slider/string entry instead of match entry/dropdown/slider/string entry
2007-07-12T13:35:30 <marex_v2> so you want a list widget with a drop-down cellrenderer?
2007-07-12T13:37:56 <onestone> marex_v2: if you click on add you will get the merged lists dialog but this dialog should support int descriptions
2007-07-12T13:38:22 <marex_v2> oh I see.. yeah should be easy to fix.. sec
2007-07-12T13:39:00 <onestone> marex_v2: the list widget could later get direct editing functionality
2007-07-12T13:40:35 <marex_v2> hm, yeah.. not sure how I'm going to do that in this case (variable cell count etc.) but I'll take a look at it
2007-07-12T13:41:00 <maniac103> wfarr: whom did you address in your posting?
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2007-07-12T13:51:24 <wfarr> maniac103, just people in general
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2007-07-12T13:52:07 <maniac103> wfarr: ok
2007-07-12T13:52:19 <maniac103> do you really think we should wait for RYX to get the theme ready?
2007-07-12T13:52:41 <maniac103> from what I hear and see from him, it will take at least several months
2007-07-12T13:52:49 <wfarr> ... haha
2007-07-12T13:52:53 <wfarr> now that's a joke
2007-07-12T13:53:01 <wfarr> several months? definitely not
2007-07-12T13:53:02 <maniac103> huh? it isn't
2007-07-12T13:53:05 <wfarr> no
2007-07-12T13:53:19 <wfarr> once he wraps up things with his current client, it can't take more than a week or two - tops
2007-07-12T13:53:38 <maniac103> wfarr: maybe true, but only if he actually _wants_
2007-07-12T13:53:49 <wfarr> yeah, I suppose
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2007-07-12T13:54:23 <maniac103> and the problem is that he changes his mind twice a day
2007-07-12T13:54:28 <wfarr> yeah
2007-07-12T13:54:56 <wfarr> I dunno... I got a buddy who's a pretty good web designer. He's doing an internship this summer, but if things with RYX's theme don't pan out, I'll try and see if I can get him to pitch in and make a theme. I'm afraid he might be too busy to do it though.
2007-07-12T13:56:05 <maniac103> wfarr: ok, but we need some sort of deadline or at least a vague forecast when it will be done
2007-07-12T13:56:11 <Amaranth> if you can give me the artwork i can do the coding :)
2007-07-12T13:56:19 <iXce> olol?
2007-07-12T13:56:39 <maniac103> wfarr: I mean, we need a deadline how long to wait for RYX
2007-07-12T13:56:46 <Amaranth> if you don't have any artwork i can do some very nice subtle things with simple images and CSS
2007-07-12T13:57:00 <Amaranth> i don't really like image-heavy websites anyway :)
2007-07-12T13:57:40 <Pafy> hello everyone :)
2007-07-12T13:58:17 <maniac103> hi Pafy
2007-07-12T13:59:41 <wfarr> maniac103, if he isn't at least working on it again by this weekend
2007-07-12T13:59:54 <wfarr> then we'll start figuring something out
2007-07-12T14:00:02 <maniac103> wfarr: ok, that makes sense
2007-07-12T14:00:05 <iXce> poy Pafy
2007-07-12T14:00:16 <wfarr> now, I've got to go to a meeting at my school
2007-07-12T14:00:16 <wfarr> =)