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[12:04] <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting!
[12:04] <henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE.
[12:04] <henne> The topics for this meeting are:
[12:04] <henne> 1. Status Distribution
[12:04] <henne> 2. Status Communication
[12:04] <henne> 3. Status Buildservice
[12:04] <henne> 4. Status Events
[12:04] <henne> 5. Questions & Answers wiki
[12:04] <henne> 6. Questions & Answers channel
[12:04] <henne> first topic. Status Distribution
[12:04] <henne> AJaeger lets go :)
[12:04] <AJaeger> Thanks henne!
[12:05] <AJaeger> We have this week our internal Alpha5plus and try to get factory stable again.  There was quite some breakage with the bootloader and I hope we have those fixed by now.
[12:05] <AJaeger> The switch to GCC 4.2 caused also some problems for updates - we might need some further fixes for that.
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[12:05] <AJaeger> That's what I can tell right now.  Expect some of the hackweek projects to show up in the distribution soon.
[12:06] <AJaeger> Any questions, comments etc?
[12:07] <henne> no questions?
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[12:07] <AJaeger> There's time at the end again for questions...
[12:07] <henne> hm okay
[12:07] <henne> so the second topic: Status Communication
[12:07] <henne> notlocalhorst?
[12:07] <notlocalhorst> mom
[12:07] <notlocalhorst> - Hackweek is over, many nice projects, for the winners look on http://idea.opensuse.org/
[12:07] <notlocalhorst> - we are working on a news portal, news.o.o. The conent will not be Novell/SUSE generated, the users can submit stories. It will run on wordpress, no eta but it will come soon.
[12:07] <notlocalhorst> - download.o.o: Frank is nearly ready, should be online very soon
[12:07] <notlocalhorst> - zh_tw wiki is online, waiting for the maintainer to announce it
[12:07] <notlocalhorst> - fi wiki is ready and will be synced out very soon
[12:08] <notlocalhorst> - ro wiki is still on my todo list, probably i will finish it after my vacation
[12:08] <notlocalhorst> questions?
[12:10] <henne> hmmmmm
[12:10] <henne> is anyone awake?
[12:10] * AJaeger is awake.
[12:10] <markgray> hello all
[12:10] <wolfiR> yes ;-)
[12:10] <dl9pf> piep ...
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[12:10] <henne> okay so no questions there either
[12:11] <henne> next topic: Status Buildservice
[12:11] <notlocalhorst> ah mom .. new version of guiding principles is online, right now :-)
[12:11] <henne> bauersman/adrianS?
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[12:11] <adrianS> notlocalhorst: announced on -project ml ?
[12:11] * apokryphos had to get some nachos 8)
[12:11] <adrianS> bauersman is on vacation
[12:11] <adrianS> so the build service crew is rather small atm
[12:11] <notlocalhorst> adrianS: i will do
[12:12] <adrianS> in short we work on an end-user interface
[12:12] <adrianS> which will support Benji's yast module
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[12:12] <adrianS> the idea is that one can host pattern files on the build service
[12:12] <henne> end user interface? you mean the software portal?
[12:12] <adrianS> (patterns contains a list of packages or reference to other patterns)
[12:12] <apokryphos> nope, one specifically for the OBS
[12:13] <adrianS> exactly
[12:13] <adrianS> the software portal will be a meta search for this on others on top of it
[12:13] <henne> okay
[12:13] <adrianS> but we want to have an end-user interface where end-users (read as downloaders)
[12:14] <adrianS> can also give feedback
[12:14] <adrianS> via rating, tags and so on
[12:14] <dl9pf> nice!
[12:14] <adrianS> but in first step there will be only a search and download interface
[12:14] <adrianS> the pattern files will be used and together with the other data, the build service has, it can create .ymp files for Benji's yast module
[12:15] <adrianS> so, it is REALLY easy to create a solution stack with this
[12:15] <adrianS> simply upload a pattern file and the users can install with a click on the webinterface
[12:15] <adrianS> and even get updates for it afterwards, because the repos get added
[12:16] <adrianS> beside from that the build switches will be available soon (they are already in svn code of the build service)
[12:16] <adrianS> means you can control the build, the release process or the reuse of packages from now on
[12:16] <henne> neato
[12:16] <adrianS> apart from that we work on getting Factory building
[12:17] <adrianS> it does build already in the build service all packages, but does not boot strap yet
[12:17] <adrianS> most build problems are solved
[12:17] <adrianS> outstanding issues are esp. the java packages
[12:17] <adrianS> we try to compile against gcj java instead of the sun java
[12:17] <adrianS> because of the policy of the build service
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[12:17] <adrianS> but some packages fails with that
[12:18] <adrianS> and others requires sun-java explicit
[12:18] <adrianS> we need to discuss how to proceed here
[12:18] <adrianS> I think openSUSE will not move away from the OSI license compliance requirement
[12:18] <adrianS> that means we either need to port the packages or move them away
[12:19] <adrianS> since this affects also quite important packages like eclipse it is not easy to decide
[12:19] <adrianS> I think this is it from me
[12:19] <adrianS> anything to add ?
[12:19] <adrianS> any questions ?
[12:19] <markgray> Any word on when sun java is going open source?
[12:19] <adrianS> well, it is partly already
[12:19] <adrianS> but it seems not to be enough for all packages
[12:20] <adrianS> and the java 1.6 package still contains a quite large "binary only compatibility plugin"
[12:20] <wolfiR> is there a document which describes the "build switches"?
[12:21] <adrianS> wolfiR: the xsd files in the doc dir of the build service got adapted
[12:21] <adrianS> for the docu in general, the docu team worked on that
[12:21] <adrianS> I hope they publish it soon, but I have no update on that yet
[12:21] * adrianS is currently in glasgow at aKademy :)
[12:22] <adrianS> henne: okay, I think you can move on
[12:22] <henne> any questions regarding all that?
[12:23] <henne> oki doki
[12:23] <henne> next topic: Status Events
[12:23] <henne> notlocalhorst again
[12:23] <notlocalhorst> mom
[12:24] <notlocalhorst> - LWE SF - we will have a obs talk & booth, /me and Seth
[12:24] <notlocalhorst> - LWE UK - i will contact Novell UK, last year we had a counter on the Novell booth
[12:24] <notlocalhorst> - LWE NL - i'm in contact with Novell NL, looks good
[12:24] <notlocalhorst> - openexpo zuerich - http://www.openexpo.ch/ 19-20.09.2007, booth and talk
[12:24] <notlocalhorst> questions?
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[12:24] <AJaeger> Anybody going to a local fair and needing some DVDs to give away?
[12:25] <AJaeger> We have some 10.2 ones that we could send...
[12:25] <apokryphos> do akademy have dvds? ;)
[12:25] <AJaeger> apokryphos: They were planned but forgotten AFAIK.
[12:25] <adrianS> aKademy is a hacker event, all are busy hacking ;)
[12:25] <cb400f> we might like some for software freedom day
[12:26] <adrianS> no one wants to install a system here ...
[12:26] <cb400f> not sure when it is this year
[12:26] <cb400f> september some time
[12:26] <apokryphos> mandriva got really great publicity for shipping with the usb too :P
[12:26] <AJaeger> cb400f: Send an email to michl at suse.de and ask for it...
[12:26] <adrianS> right ... the free 2GB is popular
[12:26] <cb400f> AJaeger: cool
[12:26] <adrianS> michl knows already about that
[12:26] <adrianS> and wants it also ;)
[12:26] <apokryphos> adrianS: great chance to give people the option to try it out ;)
[12:27] <adrianS> yes, definitive
[12:27] <adrianS> and even when they remove the OS it is still printed on it ;)
[12:27] <notlocalhorst> cb400f: no, send it to marketing@opensuse.org
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[12:27] <cb400f> notlocalhorst: noted
[12:28] <henne> okay anything else regarding events?
[12:28] <henne> not? okay
[12:28] <henne> then lets go trough the questions from the wiki
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[12:29] <AJaeger> Question was Does Novell plan to LSB certify the openSUSEproducts again?  We do not plan to go through the formalcertification (with final Linux Foundation approval) but will doall the tests and try to comply with it.  Tobias, can you explainthe rest of your question?
[12:29] <AJaeger> There's a question regarding FAN support, e.g. bug #229214.  The bug is in state NEEDINFO for three months - and that means the developer waits for input.  In this case, let's move it away from the state...
[12:29] <cb400f> software freedom day is saturday sept. 15.. everybody remember ;-)
[12:29] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 229214 in openSUSE 10.2 (Kernel) "fan not working" [Critical,Needinfo] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229214
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[12:30] <AJaeger> Then there's a question on bugzilla for projects.
[12:30] <henne> what about the connection from the BS to bugzilla?
[12:30] <AJaeger> notlocalhorst: ?
[12:30] <henne> whos involved in that?
[12:30] <notlocalhorst> mom
[12:30] <adrianS> henne: on my list ... we will do the easy approach first
[12:30] <notlocalhorst> - we discussed today to add a new component to bugzilla - obs projects - (or whatever) to make it possible to file bugs against obs projects. We should make a special mailinglist - obs bugzilla - for all bugs from this component.
[12:30] <adrianS> found a component
[12:30] <adrianS> and add http links to the web interface of the build service
[12:31] <notlocalhorst> yes
[12:31] <adrianS> thanks to the same userbase, we can reuse the account name
[12:31] <adrianS> for reporting directly against project/package owner
[12:31] <AJaeger> Yep...
[12:32] * adrianS considers to implement it himself during a long compile ;)
[12:32] <AJaeger> The question is who to handle the default assignee?  What if people report directly via bugzilla?
[12:32] <cboltz> Is it possible to use the username instead of the mail address in the bugreporting link to prevent spam?
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[12:32] <adrianS> cboltz: afaik yes
[12:33] <adrianS> cboltz: but it should be anyway only available for logged in users imho ...
[12:33] <adrianS> but that is up for discussion
[12:33] <cboltz> Why do you think so?
[12:33] <cboltz> I would also add a bugreporting link to every package
[12:34] <adrianS> you need anyway an account in bugzilla, so why confuse not logged in users ?
[12:34] <adrianS> yes, project and package
[12:35] <cboltz> They would need to login twice - once for *.opensuse.org and once for *.novell.com
[12:35] <adrianS> that is true ...
[12:35] <adrianS> unfortunatly there is no solution for this atm :/
[12:35] <cboltz> (BTW: package as in "the RPMs available for download - for example in the Packager: field)
[12:35] <adrianS> a bugzilla.opensuse.org alias seems not to be possible atm
[12:36] <cboltz> (BTW2: Just tested to assign a bug to "cboltz" and got "did not match anything". Probably needs some tuning/work...)
[12:37] <henne> next topic?
[12:37] <apokryphos> I don't think the novell bugzilla supports assigning bugs to non-novell employees, or was that fixed?
[12:37] <adrianS> it should
[12:37] <wolfiR> it does AFAIK
[12:37] <AJaeger> check https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229213 - assigned to Pascal ;-)
[12:37] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 229213 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] clarify bugzilla usage for packages in build service" [Normal,New]
[12:37] <wolfiR> I got one assigned already
[12:38] <apokryphos> ah ok, great
[12:39] <henne> okay next topic
[12:40] <henne> questions out of the channel
[12:40] <henne> anyone?
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[12:40] <henne> no general questions?
[12:41] <cboltz> Can we have a public user lookup in the buildservice?
[12:41] <cboltz> (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=198516, novellonly)
[12:41] <adrianS> what is a public user lookup `
[12:41] <adrianS> ?
[12:41] <adrianS> you get already the email addresses
[12:41] * adrianS looks in the bugreport
[12:42] <AJaeger> I think the bugzilla team has it on their queue of items to do...
[12:42] <cboltz> The bugzilla user lookup returns *nothing* when searching
[12:42] <cboltz> except you are a Novell employee
[12:42] <adrianS> bloody university proxy rejects connecting :/
[12:44] * cboltz will paste parts of the bugreport to adrianS
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[12:47] <henne> done?
[12:47] <cboltz> yes ;-)
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[12:48] <henne> so any other questions?
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[12:48] <notlocalhorst> aprove my vacation!
[12:48] <henne> stfu
[12:49] <henne> no questions?
[12:49] <adrianS> sunshine in Glasgow :)
[12:49] <henne> So that was it. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist.
[12:49] <adrianS> not good for hacking moral ...
[12:49] <henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck!
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[12:49] <cboltz> Any news on providing some FATE accounts? (Bug 223290)
[12:49] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 223290 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] better wishlist handling using FATE" [Normal,Needinfo] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223290
[12:49] <henne> the next meeting will take place at 07.07.18
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[12:50] <henne> same time, same channel
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[12:50] <henne> !topicdiff
[12:50] <wolfiR> in 11 years?
[12:50] <SUSEhelp> henne: Too many changes!
[12:50] * henne kicks SUSEhelp 
[12:50] <SUSEhelp> henne: Old topic: openSUSE project talk (not support) | Next Meeting 4th July http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Current | Also visit #opensuse-factory and #opensuse-buildservice
[12:50] <SUSEhelp> henne: Current topic: Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting!
[12:50] <superniemand> wolfiR, learn international formating
[12:50] <superniemand> ;-)
[12:50] <wolfiR> superniemand: international formatting is using -, isn't it?
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[12:51] <henne> alrighty
[12:51] <aka_druid_> AJaeger: ping
[12:51] <henne> off to fix zsnes
[12:51] <apokryphos> cboltz: we spoke about this a little last week and the general thoughts were about having another place to track the relevant goals etc
[12:51] <aka_druid_> over already?
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[12:51] <apokryphos> since relaying info about FATE to others isn't ideal
[12:52] <cboltz> That brings us back to bugzilla with
[12:52] <cboltz> a) severity "Enhancement"
[12:52] <cboltz> b) a new product "openSUSE package wishlist" with several components
[12:53] <cboltz> b) was already there in the good old times of SUSE Linux <= 10.0 ;-)
[12:53] <apokryphos> I think we decided to use bugzilla for wishlist items
[12:53] <apokryphos> but we still need a place for goal-tracking
[12:53] <apokryphos> using idea.o.o was brought up but generally (IIRC) rejected because it'll become a dump
[12:54] <cboltz> What's wrong with bugzilla for goal-tracking?
[12:55] * cboltz thinks an enhancement can also be titled a bug ("application foo can't sing") ;-)
[12:55] <AJaeger> I don't want another openSUSE package wishlist.  With the build service, this should be handled differently...
[12:56] <AJaeger> We need to find a way that a package goes first in the build service - and we can then move it to FACTORY...
[12:56] <aka_druid_> AJaeger: daemon said you owe use a name or email adress. Do you have it?