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<Pyro> Dude...With all due respect...Or something....What's wrong with you tonight?
<Pyro> Usually your hella cool, but your kinda being a dick tonight man
<Curt^> dude
<Curt^> tell me
<Curt^> how am i being a dick
<Curt^> i never promised josh halfop
<Curt^> i promised him
<Curt^> on his poll
<Curt^> that if it gets approved
<Curt^> everyone who is active will get halfop
<Pyro> I know
<Curt^> and it got approved
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<Curt^> and people bitched
<Pyro> That's not what I'm talking about
<Curt^> and 95% of channel was staff
<Pyro> That's rediculous
<Curt^> no
<Curt^> you're talking about
<Pyro> There would be more halfops than normal members
<Curt^> me promising josh halfop
<Curt^> i never do that
<Curt^> there was
<Curt^> the promise i gave josh
<Pyro> Ity's already stupid to half everrybody voiced, it defeats the purpose. 
<Pyro> Not you
<Curt^> was the new rule stating frequent users will be halfop
<Pyro> I didn't say you promised him
<Curt^> well thorpe is stupid
<Curt^> if he promised him halfop
<Curt^> cause not one person has authority
<Curt^> to halfop someone
<Curt^> so you should quit blaming me for shit im trying to get straight
<Curt^> jesus christ
<Pyro> I'm not blaming you for anything.
<Curt^> you're saying
<Curt^> shit is wrong
<Pyro> You are doing your job, and doing it well. I'm just trying to make sure you are aware of al lthe facts.
<Curt^> and he was promised halfop
<Curt^> i know the facts
<Curt^> but there was no authority for his promised halfop
-thorpe- is there a linux steam app?
<Curt^> get that straight
<Pyro> The only reason his halfop was revoked, was because he isn't staff or exstaff. That rule was changed, so his halfop should have been reinstated accordingly.
<Curt^> u know what rule changed?
<Curt^> nothing changed but the fact that active and inactive staff/exstaff is staffed in irc
<Curt^> active and inactive
<Pyro> Exactly
<Curt^> nothing about frequent users
<Curt^> because josh isnt staff
<Pyro> I'm not saying anythign abotu frequent users
<Curt^> what are you trying to say
<Curt^> his was revoked, and rules didnt change to allow frequent users
<Pyro> I know...
<Pyro> I never saiud anythign about frequent users
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<Curt^> then wtf are you trying to say?
<Pyro> He used to be auto halfop. It was taken away because only staff and exstaff can be halfop. That rule no longer exists, and nonstaff are allowed to be halfop now. So sense that rule was the only thing that got his halfop revoked, it should have been reinstated when the rule was changed to allow non-staff.
<Pyro> Do you not see thel ogic in that?
<Curt^> i told you
<Curt^> nonstaff arent allowed to be halfop yet
<Pyro> Oh
<Pyro> But his poll was approved.
<Curt^> and nonstaff would be considered frequent users
<Curt^> or else that would be byist
<Curt^> his poll, was not for him, was for frequent users
<Pyro> His poll was for nonstaff to be eligible, not guaranteed.
<Curt^> he made a mistake, and edited his poll, or thread, or w.e the fuck it is, 
<Curt^> yes
<Curt^> it was granted
<Curt^> and i halfopped everyone
<Curt^> all the active users
<Pyro> But not everyone should have been halfopped.
<Curt^> not everyone was halfopped.
<Pyro> He was already halfopped. Since his pol lwas granted, he was eligible. Since he was already halfoop and still should be, he should have been re-hoped upon granting of the poll.
<Curt^> everyone that was active was. and the 10 people halfopped were active
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<Curt^> yes
<Curt^> and he was rehalfopped, as well as 9 others
<Curt^> so that obviously didn't work
<Pyro> Exactly, because the 9 others had no reason to be halfopped.
<Curt^> listen
<Pyro> Other than the fact that they are active
<Pyro> Josh did
<Curt^> he was halfopped before
<Curt^> illegally
<Curt^> and should not have anything to do now
<Pyro> Yes, but it isn't illegal anymore.
<Curt^> his thread, was not about him, was about all users that are active
<Pyro> The legality was based on a no longer exisrtant rule
<Pyro> Please understand dude, I'm not trying to argue with you or anythign like that. I just don;'t think you completely udnerstand my point.
<Curt^> <Curt^> i dont see what the deal is with him being guarenteed it
<Curt^> <Curt^> and not having to be on the poll
<Curt^> <thorpe> me neither
<Pyro> Wait...Weren't you just saying the complete opposite of that to me?
<Pyro> Lol
<Curt^> no.
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<Curt^> i told thorpe
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<Curt^> why it would make a difference
<Curt^> to halfop josh now
<Curt^> then be on the poll
<Curt^> and not be byist to everyone else.
<Pyro> That's why I was trying to say he shouldn't be on the poll.
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<Curt^> if he shouldnt be on the poll, that would be byist to everyone else.
<Pyro> It isn't being biased. He should be halfop, because the only reason he isn't anymroe, is because of a rule that is no longer in effect.
<Pyro> Being biased would be guaranteeing it to him just because you like him.
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<Pyro> Which isnt the case
<Curt^> he had it before, but was never allowed in the first place
<Pyro> Yes, but he wasn't allwoed because opf a rule, that is no longer existant.
<Pyro> That rule doesn't exist anymore, so he is allowed.
<Curt^> that still is a rule.. the current poll is what will end the rule.
<Pyro> No, josh's poll ended the rule by allowing nonstaff to be elligable for halfop
<Pyro> The current poll is to vote for who ELSE should be halfop.
<Pyro> His poll was already granted
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<Curt^> yes, and we tried that, and it didn't work out
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<Pyro> Tried what?
<Curt^> to halfop active nonstaff
<Pyro> That's not what I'm sayign curt
<Curt^> listen, he wasn't supposed to be halfopped in the first place. if you don't get that, then.
<Pyro> I do know that
<Pyro> Listen
<Pyro> He wasn
<Pyro> He wasn't allowed to be halfop in the first place, because of the rule.
<Pyro> That rule no longer exists, so he is allowed to be halfop.
<Curt^> who ever said he is allowed to be halfop?
<Pyro> The rule beign changed
<Pyro> His poll was granted
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<Pyro> Allowing nonstaff to be halfop
<Curt^> his poll was to non staff, not him specifically, and we tried that.
<Pyro> Which is what was stopping him from being halfop before
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<Curt^> no, before, he was never supposed to get it
<Pyro> I know that
<Pyro> Let me try to explain this a different way
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<Curt^> .. what more is there to explain?
<Pyro> Please, just let me try to rephrase my point.
<Pyro> It will be multiple sentecnes, so please let me finish.
<Pyro> Rule A: Only staff and ex-staff can be halfop
<Pyro> Josh got halfopped illegally anyway, ignorign Rule A
<Pyro> Josh was dehalfopped when someone realized that he wasnm't allowed to be, based on rule A
<Pyro> Rule A was changed, and nonstaff are not eligable for halfop.
<Curt^> He wasn't supposed to be*
<Pyro> *now
<Pyro> So since Rule A is no longer a rule, the fact that he wasn't supposed to be, is irrlevant.
<Curt^> Rule A wasn't changed, till his poll ended today, which didn't work out.
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<Pyro> How did it not work out? You halfopped 10 people. Nobody said anything about halfopping 10 people
<Curt^> And stop using the fact that he was halfop before, because he was only halfopped by being liked by a staff.
<Pyro> The poll was to let nonstaff be eligible
<Curt^> It was too much.
<Pyro> Exactly, it was WAY too much. So why did you do it? Nobody said anythign about 10 new halfops
<Curt^> <Fat_Lard> gawd
<Curt^> <Fat_Lard> so many hops
<Pyro> Or even one
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<Pyro> I know...You made too many
<Curt^> so why should i halfop josh? because he was halfopped before from a staff that liked him?
<Pyro> Is that why you don't want to halfop him? Because of the reason he was halfoped for?
<Curt^> i halfopped the active ones
<Pyro> If that's the case, then that completely changes the discussion, and brings up a new question.
<Curt^> I want to halfop him.
<Curt^> Thats why I made the poll.
<Curt^> I know he's going to make in in top 4, but it would be equal to everyone else.
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<Curt^> Do you get it?
<Pyro> Yes, I've gotten it the whole time.
<Pyro> But......
<Curt^> But he was halfop before?
<Pyro> Her shouldn't be in the pole, he should already have the halfop. The pole should be for 4 new people
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<Curt^> Why won't you just ignore the fact that he was halfopped before, because that was never called for in the first place.
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<Pyro> I'm not ignoring that. You are
<Pyro> Oh, I see.
<Pyro> I know that
<Pyro> But it is now
<Pyro> Because the rule has changed
<Pyro> It shouldn't be ignored. It is a relevant fact, that should be included in the decision.
<Pyro> The only reason it wasn't called for before, is because of that rule.
<Curt^> Listen, he wasn't supposed to be halfopped, even if that rule was in tact. It was only one staff that was halfopped.
<Pyro> The rule is gone, so it is now caleld rfor.
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<Curt^> If my friend came on one day, and I halfopped him, should I halfop him again?
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<Pyro> If he was added to the access list, yes.
<Pyro> If you just set mode +h, then no.
<Pyro> Josh had level 4 access.
<Pyro> Not just +h
<Pyro> So use a more accurate example please.
<Curt^> Well he was added to access list without permission so you shouldn't be using that to win your case.
<Curt^> And if we were to hand pick people to be in access list, it would be done in a vote. 
<Curt^> His access wasn't removed cause it was against the staff rule. It was removed cause he didn't belong there in the first place.
<Pyro> So your new point is that he never should have been hoped in the first place?
<Curt^> That's what I've been trying to say.
<Curt^> I've been telling you to ignore the rule shit.
<Pyro> Oh...Then I've been trying to disprove the wrong point...
<Pyro> What a wasted 45 minutes....
<Pyro> Lol
<Curt^> Wow, thanks Pyro.
<Curt^> So are you going to make your vote or not.
<Pyro> Yes.
<Curt^> Make a new reply
<Pyro> Like I said in the topic. The only reason I wasn't voting, was because there was unknown information.
<Pyro> Now I know, so there is no longer unknown information.