<abrotman> seb-: no .. it's not
<seb-> abrotman: what is it then?
<abrotman> seb-: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/
<seb-> abrotman: dual licensing...but still gpl compatible!
<abrotman> seb-: not quite ..
<abrotman> seb-: it's got conditional licensing
<seb-> abrotman: but those conditions are no different than any other gpl'd app
<abrotman> seb-: wrong
<seb-> abrotman: if they provide gpl'd versions i still don't see what the problem is...they can't constrain the GPL with extra conditions
<seb-> abrotman: that is the beauty of the gpl
<abrotman> seb-: go to #mysql .. tell them you're writing a closed source app that you intend to sell .. but you're using MySQL .. ask them which license you need
<abrotman> seb-: they do have two licenses .. it is not free for closed apps
<seb-> abrotman: either is linux or any other gpl'd app..so what?
<abrotman> seb-: i don't think you understand how the licensing works
<seb-> abrotman: are you going to boycott linux and openoffice ?
<abrotman> seb-: you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
<seb-> abrotman: the gpl was never intended to be used for closed apps
<seb-> abrotman: perhaps you want is under a BSD/MIT license instead?
<abrotman> seb-: you've already proven you don't know what you're talking about
<seb-> abrotman: tell me what i said that is wrong instead of just making declarations
<seb-> unfounded
<seb-> abrotman: you still can't say what i said that is wrong..i know licensing as well as you
<abrotman> seb-: go read the mysql site again .. you're missing something
<abrotman> seb-: read the FAQ if you need to
<seb-> abrotman: they dual license mysql..you can get gpl'd code for free or pay for closed...so what?
<abrotman> seb-: are you serious?
<seb-> abrotman: if you read the first sentence of your FAQ you mentioned you'll see they mention dual license...
<abrotman> seb-: you can't use MySQL if your app isn't GPLed .. and it's not even a linked-in app
<seb-> abrotman: you can pay to make mysql part of a closed app...perhaps you should read the page again
<abrotman> seb-: no shit .. thank you for proving my point ..
<seb-> abrotman: that is *more* choices than linux kernel provides...again i ask...so what?
<abrotman> seb-: no .. the kernel doesn't require you to open source your app that runs on the linux kernel
<abrotman> seb-: you're still not getting it
<abrotman> seb-: you shouldn't have to pay mysql at all .. it's not linked to the database
<abrotman> seb-: but thier licensing says that you have to
<abrotman> seb-: the GPL makes no such stipulation
<abrotman> seb-: get it now?
<seb-> abrotman: they can't do that...they can't *add* conditions to gpl'd software
<seb-> abrotman: they may try but FSF won't agree
<abrotman> seb-: it's dual licensed .. don't like it .. sue mysql AB
<abrotman> seb-: noone has stopped them yet .. why don't you try suing them
<seb-> abrotman: we both agree what mysql is doing is indefensible
<abrotman> seb-: eh?
<stew> seb-: what is indefensible?
<seb-> abrotman: we both agree they should not and cannot no (legally) do what they're supposedly doing...(adding extra constraints to gpl'd code)
<abrotman> seb-: they can legally do it
<stew> seb-: why can they not add extra constratints to gpl code?
<abrotman> seb-: and they do it now .. and people pay
<seb-> stew: the gpl simply does not allow it
<stew> seb-: oh wait
<seb-> abrotman: what i told stew
<stew> seb-: you are saying they took code that was already gpled then added extra restrictions
<azeem> seb-: it's dual-licensed I guess
<abrotman> seb-: then sun MySQL
<azeem> seb-: this is exactly the same as with TrollTech an Qt, FWIW
<seb-> stew: that is what abrotman is claiming
<stew> seb-: or are you saying that they took code they own the copyright to and released it under a modified gpl (there is a big difference)
<stew> seb-: they cannot do the former, but the can do the latter
<seb-> stew: tell abrotman that
<seb-> stew: i agree
<abrotman> seb-: so i'll see your lawsuit next week then?
<seb-> abrotman, stew: SELinux is GPL'd and the creators..(Secure Computing) tried to use a patent to constrain the code...they LOST...similar situation
<abrotman> seb-: ok .. guess what .. until you do something about it .. stop whining .. mysql has dual licensed it .. noone has challenged them ..
<seb-> evilgeek: but then you are making a new license...not using the gpl
<abrotman> seb-: you're not willing to stop them .. so what does it matter?