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[20:32] <ramchip> I was hoping to work closer with Paradise but if they don’t give us rakeback then I think we should move on. If they do offer us rakeback and regular freerolls just for EMS members then I’m willing to commit EMS with Paradise and even make Paradise the sponsor of EMS if they are willing to pay our running costs.
[20:32] <chip-star> SOUND THE ALARM !!!
[20:32] <lesvic> hi
[20:32] <Hypnotize> hi m8
[20:32] <ramchip> I need to know what you guys think.
[20:32] <chip-star> RAM
[20:33] <ramchip> yes
[20:33] <paddy_> 8,0/!\ ALERT /!\
[20:33] <chip-star> about the music
[20:33] <ramchip> lol
[20:33] <Beth> to be perfectly honest I hate the site, the levels of cash are too high for me
[20:33] <ramchip> not now
[20:33] * Osamabinladen thinks paradies is one of the worst online poker sites ever!
[20:33] <chip-star> not now ?
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[20:33] * L sets mode: +o MWB
[20:33] * Osamabinladen is now known as dvd436
[20:33] <ramchip> i'm not asking you to play there all the time Bas
[20:33] <dvd436> its so crap tho
[20:33] <Scottie> no offence ram but I have withdrawn from paradise and probably wont play there again 
[20:33] <chip-star> just 99% of the time ?
[20:34] <paddy_> ram i only use paradise for ems events, i could be tempted to play a wee bit
[20:34] <MWB> sry I'm late had a bit of bother with boys on the door 
[20:34] <dvd436> i for one will never play cash on paradise
[20:34] <paddy_> but i hate their software
[20:34] <ramchip> I'm not asking you to make Paradise main site
[20:34] <paddy_> yeah
[20:34] <dvd436> paradise sucks more than chip playing $1 sngs
[20:34] <bulldozer> what levels will we need to play and what will it bring to EMS in terms of $$
[20:34] <paddy_> i still have that bonus to clear from when we signed 
[20:34] <dvd436> $50/$100?
[20:35] <chip-star> ram did you read my reply in the music thread ?
[20:35] * dvd436 slaps chip for changing the subject
[20:35] <ian8144> makes no odds to me as most of my online B/R is on Paradise. I just rarely play cash at the mo
[20:35] <ramchip> If we have a $2000 freeroll you will have toplay 50 raked hands at any level
[20:35] <ramchip> chip please!
[20:35] <paddy_> that is np for me
[20:35] <Hypnotize> fine
[20:35] <dvd436> can you even get a raked hand below 25nl?
[20:35] <Bas`> they have 10 hands an hour
[20:35] <bulldozer> whats lowest level?
[20:35] <Bas`> it will take roughly 6 years
[20:35] <dvd436> unless you are like all in
[20:35] <Beth> CRESPO CLICK MY NAME AT THE TOP
[20:35] <dvd436> 50 times
[20:36] <ramchip> I will check tomorrow dean
[20:36] <paddy_> can you ask them for free sarah harding pics pls
[20:36] <Scottie> not for me Ram I would rather play RCR
[20:36] <dvd436> pmsl
[20:36] <ramchip> lol
[20:36] <Hypnotize> lol
[20:36] <bulldozer> i dont play much cash thats all
[20:36] <JacquesChirac> hmmm, well what's the market for rakeback like elsewhere?
[20:36] <bulldozer> and i hate the site
[20:36] <chip-star> ok i'll wait until after the rakeback talk to ask
[20:36] <TonyC_ems> I don't mind playing raked hands for a freeroll, I don't mind playing a some cash there if I'm getting rakeback.
[20:36] <ramchip> but we need to raise £12K to run EMS. I can't fund it anymore
[20:36] <Beth> as a site it's  nightmare, are there no other sites we can make a deal with?
[20:37] * dvd436 thinks he's seen better paradises on the bottom of his shoe
[20:37] <ramchip> It's not easy Beth to get a good deal
[20:37] <ramchip> I have tried....
[20:37] <Hypnotize> rcr scottie?
[20:37] <ramchip> my phone bill last month was £890
[20:37] <bulldozer> lets face it the deal they gave us for sign ups was superb
[20:37] <dvd436> what about ironbru wont they do it?
[20:37] <Scottie> yup hyp
[20:37] <Beth> i know but is here any other options or is it take it or we're in the poop?
[20:37] <Hypnotize> that site is shocking m8
[20:37] <Hypnotize> b2b network
[20:37] <Scottie> better than para imo
[20:37] <Bas`> to be fair, i do prefer b2b to para
[20:38] <Bas`> in fact i prefer all but mansion
[20:38] <Hypnotize> omg
[20:38] * JacquesChirac goes after the creaters of the b2b network with a crossbow. It's vile!
[20:38] <ramchip> No one has come close to the deal offered by Paradise
[20:38] <bulldozer> mansion is better lol
[20:38] <TonyC_ems> Mansion are moving to ipoker
[20:38] <dvd436> what is the deal they are offering exactally .... fuck all 
[20:38] <paddy_> what about donkfair? mainly a Uk site, they might be tantalised by the UK's biggest poker forum
[20:38] <ramchip> LOL I'm not asking anyone to make Patadise their main site
[20:38] <Bas`> if mansion move to ipoker im jumping on their ship if i still get rakeback
[20:39] <Beth> what commitment do para want from us?
[20:39] <paddy_> though they probably make that much money from the bookies they wouldn't bother
[20:39] <chip-star> hyps phone bill was £12,849 last month, i heard he fell asleep whilst phone sex
[20:39] <ramchip> I've tried Paddy
[20:39] * paddy_ shrugs
[20:39] <dvd436> chip lol
[20:39] <paddy_> ok
[20:39] <Hypnotize> shhhhh
[20:39] <dvd436> well what did betfair say ?
[20:39] <dvd436> i mean what are paradise offering us?
[20:39] <ian8144> as beth asked. what do pardise want from us
[20:39] <paddy_> i imagine they'd give nowhere near as good a deal as paradise
[20:39] <RoboSquirrel> ram i think it needs to be clearer what is being offered and what we have to commit to
[20:39] * Beth would like to know what commitment para would need from each member?
[20:39] <ramchip> Betfair - They will only offer a cut of rake
[20:40] <dvd436> and the paradise deal is exactally what?
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[20:40] <chip-star> and dvd had his best month, he was up £13,374 
[20:40] * paddy_ sets mode: +v Stanters
[20:40] <ian8144> lol chip
[20:40] <dvd436> paradise give us money for signups right ram?
[20:40] <bulldozer> lets be serious for a bit
[20:40] <ramchip> If we have a monthly freeroll then players will have toplay 50 raked hands toplay it
[20:40] <dvd436> and a bit of added money to the FO league
[20:40] <chip-star> he says it was rakeback and bonuses but i dont believe him
[20:40] <ramchip> yes we get $500 a month for the league
[20:40] <dvd436> ok but aprat from the freeroll what are they offerin to help run ems?
[20:41] <Hypnotize> aprat?
[20:41] <dvd436> apart*
[20:41] <bulldozer> yes he is
[20:41] <ian8144> present sir hyp
[20:41] * dvd436 slaps Hypnotize around a bit with a large trout
[20:41] <fishbot> trouted!
[20:41] <Hypnotize> :)
[20:41] * ian8144 slaps lesvic around a bit with a large trout
[20:41] <fishbot> trouted!
[20:41] * ian8144 sets mode: +oo lesvic Stanters
[20:41] <dvd436> we will get money for signups a freeroll and added cash to the FO league?
[20:41] <ian8144> sry les wrong button
[20:41] <ramchip> I need a guarantee that they will add cash to our leagues.... Monthly freeroll ...and maybe become the sponsor of EMS
[20:42] <ian8144> for 50 raked hands a month?
[20:42] <ramchip> and cash for new sign ups
[20:42] <ramchip> yes
[20:42] <dvd436> cant we just keep getting loads of sign up deals to fund till we grow and have more power?
[20:42] <ian8144> i'm in
[20:42] <ramchip> but we need a rakeback deal
[20:42] <Hypnotize> is anyone not willing to do the 50 raked hands?
[20:42] <Scottie> Ram are they going to contribute to the running costs as sponsors????
[20:42] <ramchip> No DVD they are drying up
[20:42] <dvd436> ok
[20:42] * ian8144 is sad having never had any rakeback
[20:42] <ramchip> That is my intention
[20:43] <paddy_> but im sure they wont like it if we play 50 raked hands and then bugger off again?
[20:43] <Beth> i'm not going to be able to if th lowest level is 25/50c
[20:43] <ramchip> everybody please hang on a minute
[20:43] <Wolvo_lad> i'm willing to play 50 raked hands depending on what constitutes a raked hand
[20:43] * dvd436 begins to hang
[20:43] <Hypnotize> dont they have 5c/10c beth?
[20:43] <crashmon> I'll try, but I only play at $10 or $20 NL, so it may be tough for me to get the hands
[20:43] * Beth says hold it let the boss talk
[20:44] <Stanters> lucky we dont get banned for mentioning rake on here
[20:44] <RoboSquirrel> ur banned
[20:44] * Beth slaps Stanters around a bit with a large trout
[20:44] <fishbot> trouted!
[20:44] <Beth> shurrup
[20:44] <Bas`> dont tempt us stan
[20:44] <ramchip> To run EMS for the next year will cost at least £12K and maybe more... I can't keep funding it myself and we can't grow without a sonsor
[20:44] <ramchip> sponsor
[20:44] <dvd436> ok well are they guna give us £12k?
[20:44] <bulldozer> agreed
[20:44] <dvd436> cos if they are how can we refuse
[20:44] <Bas`> dont worry buff wins enough mtt's to self fund soon
[20:45] <Hypnotize> lol
[20:45] <bulldozer> is this seperate to live fund
[20:45] <ramchip> yes
[20:45] <chip-star> has enigma gone to vegas yet ?
[20:45] <ramchip> I do not want to cut into the live event fund
[20:45] <Scottie> shuurrrruuuupppp chip
[20:45] * dvd436 slaps chip stop changing the subject
[20:45] <chip-star> wtf ?
[20:45] <Beth> if they sponser us will we have to fully commit to them, ie no extra deals on the side, no rcc etc?
[20:45] <dvd436> so para will give us 12k?
[20:46] <chip-star> arnt i allowed to even speak now ?
[20:46] <Stanters> I think chip wanted to know enigma's opinion
[20:46] <ramchip> I have not asked them yet. I thought I would ask you guys first.
[20:46] <chip-star> opinion on what ?
[20:46] <Scottie> ok sry chip
[20:46] <ramchip> back in 5. phone
[20:46] <dvd436> well how can we say no if they wil give us the funding we need and no other site will?
[20:46] <Scottie> k
[20:46] <chip-star> i'm not following your guys chat
[20:47] <Stanters> well dont type and read yil you dounderstand
[20:47] <chip-star> it's all rakeback/signup/freeroll/livefund talk which has nothing to do with me
[20:47] <ian8144> chip. would you play 50 raked hands per month to help fund EMS?
[20:47] * Hypnotize beats chip-star senseless with the divvy stick
[20:47] <dvd436> lol
[20:47] <Bas`> only if its 2c/4c
[20:47] * dvd436 loves to see hyp unleash the divvy stick
[20:47] <chip-star> what are you talking about stanters
[20:47] <dvd436> and sleep
[20:48] <MWB> 50 raked hands would take chip about 10 mins max
[20:48] <chip-star> i asked if enigma had gone to vegas yet
[20:48] <Hypnotize> dont think so chip
[20:48] <ian8144> dont think so chip
[20:48] <Scottie> not yet chip
[20:48] <Hypnotize> jinx
[20:48] <dvd436> make a wish!?
[20:48] * Hypnotize closes eyes
[20:48] <lesvic> not till 24
[20:48] * Stanters wishes someone would shut the F up
[20:49] * JacquesChirac lingers with his finger over the kick op buttons
[20:49] <wimble> i hav to go but im willing to play the 50 raked hands a month... 
[20:49] <MWB> chip you could volunteer to play off everyones 50 hands 
[20:49] <wimble> if it helps
[20:49] <chip-star> are you talking to me stanters ?
[20:49] <Hypnotize> n1 wimble
[20:49] <dvd436> ok wimble respect to the man in the icecream van
[20:49] <Scottie> at the end of the day if Paradise is willing to pay for the running costs for a year im willing to donk off $20 a month to em in raked hands
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[20:50] <dvd436> + the other 20k while getting them scottie hehe
[20:50] <Beth> after axxe you might actually win now and then lmao
[20:50] <Scottie> hehehe
[20:50] <TonyC_ems> I think the 50 raked hands is for th e$2000 freerolls
[20:50] <ramchip> yes tonyc but it might become a regular monthly freeroll 
[20:50] <Beth> if they can support EMS without controlling it then I say ok as long as you are satisfied their requirements from each of us is attainable and we aren't locked in for too long
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[20:50] * paddy_ sets mode: +v diiing
[20:51] <Scottie> would prefer if they contributed to the running costs of the forum
[20:51] <ramchip> I will make sure we are not locked in
[20:51] <dvd436> i mean are they guna give us enough to pay running costs ram?
[20:51] <Stanters> yes you need to make sure that control remains with you Tony
[20:51] <dvd436> or just ome
[20:51] <RoboSquirrel> what if we have no freerolls - what is the deal then?
[20:51] <ramchip> I don't know yet until tomorrow
[20:51] <dvd436> well how can we decide then?
[20:52] <ramchip> They want the freerolls because it make people play cash
[20:52] <dvd436> trial the freeroll with hands
[20:52] <dvd436> see if it gets a good turn out
[20:52] <dvd436> if it does keep it 
[20:52] <Stanters> are we talking $ 0r £ here Ram?
[20:52] <ramchip> £s
[20:52] <Stanters> crikey
[20:52] <Scottie> so there will be  a raked hand requirement b4 you can enter?
 [20:52] <ramchip> £s running cost which is cheap
[20:52] <dvd436> yer like SJ
[20:53] <bulldozer> how do the maths add up for them??
[20:53] <Stanters> thats worth it surely?
[20:53] <ramchip> Malcolms forun cost £2K per month
[20:53] <ramchip> dean?
[20:53] <dvd436> how its crap compared to ems
[20:53] <lesvic> rock forum is 40,000 a year
[20:53] <bulldozer> yeah but how do para make a 12k sponsorship pay?
[20:53] <Stanters> Ram - if you got 12k what would it do to your workload and stress levels?
[20:54] <bulldozer> from their point of view
[20:54] * JacquesChirac is now known as JanAageuberfish
[20:54] <ramchip> All they need is a couple of good players from us and they make the cash back and loads more
[20:54] <Beth> well we got plenty of them
[20:54] <dvd436> he means good as in high volume players not skill lol
[20:54] <bulldozer> not at the levels required surely
[20:54] * Scottie looks round room and goes where????? lol
[20:54] <crashmon> just so I'm clear, are we saying we do this if we get the freerolls and no rakeback, or Rakeback a must for this
[20:55] <Wolvo_lad> but are they willing to play there enough to keep them sweet?
[20:55] <ramchip> Thats there problem not ours
[20:55] <dvd436> bottom line is they want high volume rakers and ems cant provide that for them
[20:55] <Beth> once the deal is signed can they back out if they don't make as much from it as they expect?
[20:55] <dvd436> cos we're all to cleaver to play there with no RB and crap software
[20:55] <bulldozer> yes but we dont promise them anything surely
[20:56] <JanAageuberfish> how do they expect high volume players with no RB?
[20:56] <dvd436> one wonders jan
[20:56] <Wolvo_lad> aren't they going to want some sort of minimum though?
[20:56] <MWB> If 10 ems players sat down at a 10 seater 2-4 and took it in turns to win ..with the rake back would we all lose cash in the end of the 50 raked hands or break even ?
[20:56] <Bas`> only chance of jan winning a hand
[20:56] <Stanters> its the rake vs cash inflow trade off
[20:56] <dvd436> we'd lose to the rake of corse crespo
[20:56] <bulldozer> lose cresp
[20:56] <Stanters> we lose but EMS as a whole wins in the sense of the funding
[20:56] <bulldozer> unles 100%rb
[20:57] <ramchip> don't forget poker sites think long term
[20:57] <Scottie> How long is the dealfor Ram?
[20:57] <dvd436> ram who from ems is guna play a high volume of their poker on para? 
[20:57] <dvd436> its not guna happen i dont think
[20:57] <dvd436> cos we all slag it anyway
[20:57] <ramchip> Todate ems players have made over $4500 for Paradise
[20:57] <dvd436> when new people join and we slate it for being crap its not guna want to make them play
[20:57] <crashmon> I've only been a member for 3 moths, I will go with what the majority decide, I'll find the budget to play the hands if it helps ems
[20:58] <crashmon> months not moths
[20:58] <bulldozer> length of time irrelevant geoff
[20:58] <Scottie> but how much have they given back in sign up fees ram?
[20:58] <bulldozer> dont worry
[20:58] <Scottie> or is that after deductions?
[20:58] <ramchip> lol a lot more! but they think long term
[20:59] <Scottie> ok 
[20:59] <Stanters> we need a meeting about this - more organised than this chatroom dont we?
[20:59] <dvd436> why dont we have a yes no vote on who will play the hands?
[20:59] <ramchip> I have a meeting with Paradise tomorrow
[20:59] <dvd436> starting from top to bottom of the chat list yes/no on 50raked hands on para?
[20:59] <Beth> if it helps EMS and takes the weight off you without losing any of our freedom of speech then I say go for it
[20:59] <TonyC_ems> I think rakeback + several EMS cash challenges on Paraidse over the course of teh deal would do the trick.
[21:00] <dvd436> ok lets not vote then
[21:00] <Beth> fishbot can't decide dvd
[21:00] <dvd436> ok well hes at the bottom so it dont matter
[21:00] <Stanters> hang on dave theres a lot to think about - give people time
[21:00] <Hypnotize> brb, going for a balrog
[21:00] <dvd436> yer but ram needs to know by tomorrow if people are willing to or not?!
[21:01] <ramchip> OK I will talk to Paradise tomorrow but not commit
[21:01] <Stanters> ask for a few days mate
[21:01] <dvd436> see whats on the table maybe first
[21:01] <JanAageuberfish> if it takes 50 raked hands then I'll do it
[21:01] <Stanters> we need to make sure that the majority is happy
[21:01] * Beth thinks an easier way would be everyone to pm me yes or no and I'll give Ram the numbers?
[21:01] <ramchip> I will but I need to  talk to them
[21:01] <TonyC_ems> 50 raked hands for a $2000 freeroll which will probably have 50 max runners is a no brainer in terms of value
[21:01] <Scottie> Now I hate para with a passion but if its for the benifit f the forum I will give it a go
[21:01] <diiing> can some fill me in on whats going on please i missed the start
[21:02] <ramchip> If those who play our leagues continue to do so we will be ok...
[21:02] <Stanters> does anyone have a copy of this?
[21:02] <Beth> i'll pm u on ems diing
[21:02] <diiing> thx
[21:02] <Stanters> wd B
[21:02] <bulldozer> whos taking minutes?
[21:02] <bulldozer> beth?
[21:02] <JanAageuberfish> it's not for me I can't cash against you buggers
[21:02] <dvd436> hold on if someone goes to para web site we can find out what constitues a raked hand canr we?!
[21:02] <crashmon> cut and paste
[21:02] <MWB> I came in late...........is this 50 raked hands a one off..... or once a month......
[21:02] <Scottie> beth just cutting and pasting lol
[21:02] <ramchip> bloody phone.... hang on
[21:03] <lesvic> i happy to play 50 hands
[21:03] <Stanters> 0:)
[21:03] <Wolvo_lad> will prob be once a month
[21:03] <lesvic> ranked
[21:03] <crashmon> 50 hands at 15c/25c yes, 50 hands at $1/$2 :-0
[21:03] <Scottie> 0:o
[21:03] <Beth> pm sent ding
[21:04] <MWB> can I have one too beth please 
[21:04] <Beth> dvd go check what is raked hand on para please
[21:04] <dvd436> trying to
[21:04] <Beth> crepo you see my name flashing at the top of this window? click it
[21:04] <ramchip> 2 minutes
[21:04] * Stanters need to ask something so please don't shout
[21:04] <TonyC_ems> then depends how they count, if it dealt in then its still value even at $1/$2 if its contributd to the pot then maybe not
[21:05] <diiing> thx beth up 2 speed now
[21:05] <Beth> np
[21:05] <Stanters> do you guys think it is a good strategy to associate ourselves with asite that we don't like and may have a bad reputtion across the poker plaing world?
[21:05] <dvd436> ok they seem to deal in fpp's and not raked hands
[21:05] <MWB> beth can't see flashing beth 
[21:06] <Stanters> often teh 1st deal isn't the best
[21:06] <Beth> i'll pm on ems crespo
[21:06] <dvd436> In cash games, you will earn 1 point for every $0.25 you rake. You only earn points by contributing to the pot.
[21:06] <MWB> ty
[21:06] <ramchip> its not the first deal
[21:06] <Beth> done
[21:06] * Stanters plane tailspins and smoke spirals from the wing
[21:06] <dvd436> do they mean 50 fpps ram as they dont talk about raked hands in their promotions page or anywhere else 
[21:06] <Waylander850> Right the way I read it they take 5c in every $1 at micro limits
[21:06] <ian8144> http://www.sportingbet.com/t/paradise-poker/support/poker-table-rake.aspx
[21:07] <ramchip> 50 raked hands
[21:07] <ramchip> NOT fpps
[21:07] <dvd436> well on the site it doesnt say what "they" consider a raked hand
[21:07] <crashmon> ok so $5 pots for rake at least then
[21:07] <Waylander850> it does go to the support tab
[21:07] <dvd436> i mean a raked hand could be minimum rake but it could be also a minimum of 25c per raked hand
[21:07] <Waylander850> no $1 at micro limits
[21:08] <crashmon> sorry
[21:08] <crashmon> getting confused with the 25c per point
[21:08] <dvd436> yer it does but it doesnt say what they consider a raked hand only what the price of the rake it m8
[21:08] <Beth> To clarify Ram, you are saying IF they offer us 30% rb, and sponser EMS you want to go ahead, if not you would like to move on?
[21:08] * Scottie sets mode: +o diiing
[21:08] <dvd436> often the pot has to reach a certain amount of rake bfore it can be classified a raked hand
[21:09] <lesvic> It was $1
[21:09] <ramchip> Yes but I will not give them an answer tomorrow
[21:09] <Beth> thank you
[21:09] <ian8144> i would assume dave that if the site takes a rake it is a raked hand???
[21:09] <Scottie> Seems fair to me Ram
[21:09] <dvd436> you would assumse so but most dont operate like that ian
[21:09] <MWB> laddies cruise freeroll in 2 mins 
[21:10] <ian8144> oh. ok
[21:10] <dvd436> you need to ask them what they calls as a raked hand please ram
[21:10] <ramchip> I have talked to many sites.... too bloody many my wife says
[21:10] <Beth> lol wise woman
[21:10] <ramchip> please forget the rake hands for now dave
[21:10] <dvd436> well dont we need to know that anyway?
[21:10] <Scottie> and we wont lose any of our excisting deals by working closer with Para
[21:10] <Beth> if they say no to rakeback then we move on
[21:10] <ramchip> no 
[21:11] <MWB> got pm tx Beth
[21:11] <Beth> np
[21:11] <Scottie> ok I retract what I said earlier 
[21:11] <ramchip> if they say no rakeback then I'm not interested 
[21:11] <lesvic> 30%
[21:11] <Beth> far enough
[21:11] <Scottie> If they are willing to pay r/b and sponsor EMS im for it
[21:11] <ramchip> its difficult because whatever site we get some will not like it
[21:12] <ramchip> more funding news................
[21:12] <lesvic> who like it
[21:12] <Stanters> you could push for a compromise
[21:12] <Stanters> say 9k and 20% rake
[21:12] <ramchip> pmsl
[21:12] <dvd436> problem is no one like para
[21:12] <Stanters> worth a try ;)
[21:13] <TonyC_ems> What would EMS have to do as their side of the deal?
[21:13] <JanAageuberfish> well maybe we owe it to our sponsor to bite our lip about how shite it is
[21:13] <crashmon> would they be able to support the MEL going forward if we committed there
[21:13] <ramchip> If we continue to promote RCC then from next month whatever the total rake we generate they will give us 10% for running costs
[21:13] <dvd436> then we are hardley run by the player for the player
[21:13] <ramchip> and players still get 45%
[21:14] <JanAageuberfish> true dvd
[21:14] <Beth> will rcc require exclusivity?
[21:14] <chip-star> is rcc the same site the cash challenge was on ?
[21:14] <ramchip> no
[21:14] <ramchip> no
[21:14] <crashmon> rcc = prima
[21:14] <ramchip> yes
[21:14] <crashmon> ok
[21:14] <ian8144> prima is crap lol
[21:14] <Beth> so in theory could we take rcc's 10% and look elsewhere for the other 90%?
[21:14] <ramchip> yes
[21:14] <Stanters> has Jim from the vicar of dibley just joined us?
[21:14] <chip-star> what was the cash challenge site ?
[21:15] <Beth> rcr
[21:15] <chip-star> ok' thx
 [21:15] <ramchip> many still play on prima
[21:15] <Beth> what percentage of our running costs would that 10% cover though?
[21:15] <Scottie> How much players do you need for this to take off Ram?
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[21:16] * paddy_ sets mode: +v Crumble
[21:16] <ramchip> RCC total rake per month is around $5000 but if we could get it higher
[21:16] <chip-star> why does prima's software suck so much
[21:16] <ramchip> what deal scottie?
[21:16] <Scottie> the Paradise one
[21:16] <ian8144> either/both
[21:16] <JanAageuberfish> ship it to me! I just won a feckin freeroll
[21:17] <ramchip> there is no minimum number
[21:17] <Scottie> n1 jan
[21:17] <Hypnotize> gooooo jan
[21:17] <ian8144> wd jan
[21:17] <Crumble> nice one mate
[21:17] <Stanters> wd Jan
[21:17] <JanAageuberfish> sorry carry on
[21:17] <crashmon> I actually prefer paradise to prima, but I''ll play on either to get the 50 hands
[21:17] <Scottie> ok m8
[21:17] <Stanters> 1st prize 12k and our problems could be solved Jan
[21:17] <JanAageuberfish> hmmm
[21:17] <Stanters> very gracious offer that
[21:17] <chip-star> how much rakeback from rcc ?
[21:17] <JanAageuberfish> bit less than that
[21:17] <Beth> see what para will agree to first
[21:17] <ramchip> can you see the problems Ihave - LOL
[21:17] <Beth> you mean apart from this rabble? lmao
[21:18] <ramchip> lol it is not easy
[21:18] <Bas`> beth the trout is waiting
[21:18] <Beth> shurrup kiddo 
[21:18] <chip-star> ^^^
[21:18] * ian8144 sets mode: +o Crumble
[21:18] <Beth> chip RCC total rake per month is around $5000 but if we could get it higher
[21:19] <Scottie> Ram see what they are offering tommorow and then you can make a decision .................... your judgement has been spot on o far m8
[21:19] <Beth> 45%rb
[21:19] <chip-star> i mean what % do players recieve
[21:19] <Stanters> here here
[21:19] <Beth> ^^^^
[21:19] <lesvic> here here
[21:19] <dvd436> anyway ive got to go the pub is calling ram you decide you won ems and have done a good job so far
[21:19] <dvd436> own*
[21:20] <Beth> yup boss, get the facts and follow your nose
[21:20] <ramchip> back in 2 mins
[21:20] <Bas`> did he win ems in a freeroll?
[21:20] <dvd436> cya guys
[21:20] <Bas`> cya later dave
[21:20] <Wolvo_lad> cya
[21:20] * dvd436 waves
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[21:20] <ian8144> cya
[21:20] <Beth> in an argument with stan i think
[21:20] <Stanters> bye dave
[21:20] <Stanters> lol
[21:20] <Stanters> sort of
[21:20] <Bas`> bloody hell
[21:20] <Bas`> stan you ever stayed awake this long in a meeting?
[21:20] <Beth> lol
[21:20] <Stanters> this isnt auditing Bas
[21:20] <Scottie> 10/20c from a dodgy gezer in exeter .............. it was either EMS or a hawaian shirt
[21:21] <Stanters> belive me youd all struggle
[21:21] <Scottie> bet he wishes hed taken the shirt now 
[21:21] <Scottie> I did a Stan in my course today
[21:21] <Stanters> you pulled?
[21:21] <Scottie> didnt wake up till y head hit the desk lol
[21:21] <crashmon> try working in a design meeting with Germans and Italians which I have had for the last 2 days, like taking blood from a stone
[21:21] <Stanters> people threw rose petals in your path?
[21:22] <ramchip> lol
[21:22] <JanAageuberfish> I think most of us would take a bit of pain to help out EMS anyway
[21:22] <Scottie> more like the fertiliser for roses Stan
[21:22] <chip-star> [21:21:05] <Beth> chip RCC total rake per month is around $5000 but if we could get it higher
[21:22] <chip-star> what does this mean beth ?
[21:23] <ramchip> I think the main point is no matter what site becomes our sponsor some will not like it
[21:23] <chip-star> but if we could get it higher......
[21:23] <Hypnotize> you will never please everyone ram
[21:23] <ramchip> LOL I know
[21:23] <Beth> rcc make $5000 off ems players in rake but they are offering 10% of that to fund ems, the more we play there the more we get to help run ems
[21:24] <JanAageuberfish> I don't think we can begrudge ram taking the best deal even if we have to play a bit on a site we don't like
[21:24] <Hypnotize> i think i'm the only person that doesn't mind playing on boos
[21:24] <Hypnotize> boss
[21:24] <crashmon> boos is right first time
[21:24] <JanAageuberfish> two of us hyp
[21:24] <Crumble> I don't mind Boss either
[21:24] * Hypnotize and jan hold hands
[21:24] <Stanters> I dont play enough cash - those who play the most have the biggest say IMO
[21:24] <Crumble> nor does Baglady so that's at least four of us
[21:24] <ramchip> I'm willing to keep looking round for a month 
[21:25] * JanAageuberfish looks adoringly at Hyp
[21:25] <TonyC_ems> I haven't really tried it, but I won't put in any serious hours with rakeback
[21:25] <chip-star> ram i'm not bothered which site you choose or whatever, i play on stars as i caters all of my needs and i'm happy so i'm not going to complain or be unhappy or anything
[21:25] <Hypnotize> our team is growing by the second
[21:25] <Bas`> I made over $1k in rake on SJ 1 month, and then $750 on RCC within 2 weeks playing $50nl exclusively, I think you may not get the best deal on RCC, but you will get the most volume of players earning higher rakes 
[21:25] <Bas`> there is no chance I would make even $100 of rake on paradise
[21:25] <Scottie> Ram para are obviously very keen to sponsor EMS so just go for the best deal possible m8
[21:25] <JanAageuberfish> whoo
[21:25] <ramchip> I agree Bas
[21:26] <Bas`> so its a matter of elasticity
[21:26] <ramchip> Not so sure yet Scottie
[21:26] <ramchip> I do get on well with the guys at RCC
[21:26] <Stanters> force Scottie to play 10k hands a week on there or make him feel guilty for letting nearly 2000 people down
[21:26] <TonyC_ems> If you could get them to extend it to the other sites they run ie Ironduke then it would be good
[21:26] <chip-star> choose the site which will earn you the most money
[21:26] <Scottie> lol stan
[21:26] <Beth> as far as I'm concerned as long as EMS keeps it's free speech and independance then whatever you think best
[21:27] <ramchip> I have asked Tony and they are getting back to me
[21:27] <Hypnotize> good point beth
[21:27] <Bas`> beth be quiet who said you could talk. ;)
[21:27] <Scottie> can they give us all a free t shirt though for the EMS event 
[21:27] <Beth> saves me ironing one
[21:27] <ramchip> who scottie?
[21:27] <chip-star> if site A offers a great deal but no one plays there your earning will likely be greater at the popular site everyone plays at
[21:27] <paddy_> i would like a dictatorship
[21:27] <Scottie> anyone Beths knackered the iron again lol
[21:27] <Bas`> yes thats the point i was trying to make chip
[21:28] <ramchip> Thats not true chip
[21:28] <Beth> you are just after he dic paddy
[21:28] <Beth> the*
[21:28] <paddy_> i like being dominated
[21:28] <Crumble> I'll play wherever the deal is
[21:28] <Hypnotize> pmsl
[21:28] <Beth> i know ;)
[21:28] <paddy_> shush :P
[21:28] <Crumble> As long as there is a game
[21:28] <chip-star> it's not true ?
[21:28] <Scottie> ffs paddy I aint got the choice ;-]
[21:28] <paddy_> lol
[21:28] <ramchip> Also............
[21:29] <Hypnotize> beth get the strap on at the ready :)
[21:29] <Beth> oh no
[21:29] <Crumble> ooh the WSOP Europe freeroll is starting, gl me!
[21:29] <lesvic> gl
[21:29] <Crumble> I went out first hand last time ;)
[21:29] <ramchip> what site crumble?
[21:29] <bulldozer> where
[21:29] <Bas`> VC?
[21:29] <Crumble> pokerroom (cough)
[21:29] <Bas`> oh
[21:29] <ramchip> lol ok
[21:29] <Stanters> lol
[21:29] <Crumble> every night :)
[21:29] <Beth> also what boss?
[21:29] <Bas`> VC are running some too
[21:30] <Crumble> Ooh I'll have to try those too. What time do they go off at?
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[21:31] <Bas`> 1 sec checking
[21:31] <ramchip> I think we will get a WSOP Europe seat from RCC but not the main event
[21:31] <Beth> WOW nice one
[21:31] <Beth> how on earth do you allocate that though?
[21:31] <Bas`> .. but did we find out if its 18 +?
[21:32] <Stanters> 1st season FO winner deserves that Ram
[21:37] <ramchip> its going to be difficult to get all members to 1 live event..
[21:37] <Beth> yup
[21:37] <bulldozer> no and i flat called a raise as well
[21:37] <Scottie> tell em theres a free t shirt
[21:37] <Beth> is it possible to send a questionaire to all members?
[21:37] <bulldozer> i am feeling on top of the world
[21:37] <ramchip> So I'm think of giving members the cash so they can play local live events
[21:37] <Beth> fair enough
[21:38] <Hypnotize> is it possible to put all of this on hold until the EMS champs in Brum, then we can discuss the matter with beers :)
[21:38] <ramchip> Every player will have to wear an EMS shirt etc
[21:38] <Beth> as long as they report on it and wear EMS logo
[21:38] <Stanters> hang on
[21:38] <Stanters> this loses the wow factor
[21:38] * Scottie hangs on
[21:38] <ramchip> no it does not
[21:38] <ramchip> we get coverage all over the uk
[21:38] * Scottie says hurry up its turning blue
[21:39] <ramchip> and we can give members EMS packs to give out
[21:39] <chip-star> hi bradley
[21:39] <Bradley_W> hi all
[21:39] <Stanters> true
[21:39] <Hypnotize> lo
[21:39] <ramchip> but it is only a thought
[21:39] <paddy_> 4th for $175, after K6 hits his 6 vs my K10
[21:39] <Bradley_W> just popped in to say well done to those putting the newsletter together, just now read it
[21:39] <Bradley_W> superbly done
[21:39] <Beth> we get far more coverage that way and we're not play each other
[21:39] <Crumble> great, isn't it?
[21:39] <chip-star> news letter ?
[21:39] <bulldozer> soooooperb
[21:39] <Crumble> in your email, chip
[21:39] <Wolvo_lad> maybe give a set amount of cash to winners, then they can organise to attend events between them
[21:40] <ian8144> rather than give cash. why not just pick 3-4 events and let everybody chose one
[21:40] <Stanters> good idea
[21:40] <Stanters> I think....
[21:40] <ramchip> could do I'm still thinking about the best way
[21:40] <ian8144> spelling choose correctly of course
[21:40] <Beth> you hit the problem of ppl like paddy and us, the travel and accomodation can be expensive
[21:40] <Wolvo_lad> that way you get more than one person at an event which will have bigger impact
[21:41] <ian8144> one in each country maybe
[21:41] <ramchip> thats what I thought
[21:41] <Stanters> can you buy directly into the poker million?
[21:41] <ramchip> no idea
[21:41] <paddy_> whats this for beth
[21:41] <chip-star> yes
[21:41] <Stanters> any idea how much it is?
[21:41] <Beth> how about using regions to determine where live seats are played?
[21:42] <Stanters> stacks Im guessing
[21:42] * bulldozer thinks he may win this tournament
[21:42] <chip-star> erm
[21:42] * bulldozer has now just won with k 10
[21:42] <chip-star> $20k i think 
[21:42] <ramchip> yes beth
[21:42] <Stanters> hmm too much then
[21:42] <Stanters> shame that
[21:42] <Bas`> its $27.5k or something
[21:42] <Bas`> or thats the package offered
[21:43] <ramchip> is jeff about
[21:43] <ramchip> ?
[21:43] <Bas`> hes asleep
[21:43] <ramchip> lol
[21:43] <chip-star> it's $25k buy-in
[21:43] <Bas`> said he'd be back before midnight
[21:43] <Beth> snoozing before lessons
[21:43] <ramchip> ok
[21:43] <chip-star> $2500 expences from the package
[21:43] <Stanters> Ram ask Paradise if they would sponsor us to have a live event that they sponsor that is shown on a TV channel
[21:43] <ian8144> ciggie time brb
[21:43] <chip-star> http://poker.ladbrokes.com/pokermillion
[21:44] <ramchip> we might have our own tv show
[21:45] <ramchip> There is a lot happening behind the scenes!