Someone

jakeslc555:	wonder what its like

jakeslc555:	to have blizzard come to house

liquidchaos367:	it's unchill.

liquidchaos367:	very unchill.

jakeslc555:	:E

jakeslc555:	they got

jakeslc555:	black suits and every thing like "the matrix"?

liquidchaos367:	not quite that intimidating

liquidchaos367:	but close

liquidchaos367:	6 of 'em for me

jakeslc555:	oh wow, 6?

liquidchaos367:	well

liquidchaos367:	two were net ops

liquidchaos367:	two were lawyers

liquidchaos367:	one was a forensics guy

liquidchaos367:	o w8, no, 3 lawyers

jakeslc555:	wow whats the forensics guy for?

liquidchaos367:	forensics

jakeslc555:	for

jakeslc555:	a hacker?

liquidchaos367:	my HD's

jakeslc555:	did they take your HD?

liquidchaos367:	no

liquidchaos367:	they copied it and made me wipe mine

liquidchaos367:	let me keep the hardware though

jakeslc555:	I would instantly wipe mine if i seen them coming :E

liquidchaos367:	I didn't see them coming

liquidchaos367:	I was chilling in my kitchen

liquidchaos367:	eating

jakeslc555:	:E

jakeslc555:	did they just walk right in?

liquidchaos367:	they weren't exactly wearing "blizzard" hats or anything

liquidchaos367:	no

liquidchaos367:	knocked on my door

jakeslc555:	LOL

jakeslc555:	yeah, i didn't imagine

jakeslc555:	but man..

liquidchaos367:	was a very very long day

jakeslc555:	they made you wipe it, i didn't think they would do that

liquidchaos367:	they were all pretty nice though

liquidchaos367:	well

liquidchaos367:	they made me do it because I did something different than other people - that I can't talk about

liquidchaos367:	as part of my agreement with them

jakeslc555:	ahh, i see

jakeslc555:	think

jakeslc555:	they made netter etc did it as well?

liquidchaos367:	nah

liquidchaos367:	he kept his info I think

liquidchaos367:	they made him delete his hax I think

liquidchaos367:	but other than that, he kept his HDs afaik

jakeslc555:	wow

jakeslc555:	man... blizzard does not kid around 

jakeslc555:	I was thinking

jakeslc555:	one lawyer game and said "stop hacking"

jakeslc555:	lo

jakeslc555:	l

liquidchaos367:	na

jakeslc555:	was not expecting a whole gang 

liquidchaos367:	they're making like 60 million/month from wow

liquidchaos367:	they can afford 6 ppl rolling to ppl's houses

jakeslc555:	lol

liquidchaos367:	to be more intimidating

liquidchaos367:	and it works

jakeslc555:	how do they get, address?

liquidchaos367:	in my case, my wow account

liquidchaos367:	billing info, credit card

jakeslc555:	ahh

jakeslc555:	apperantly

jakeslc555:	they got netters through is website

liquidchaos367:	yea

liquidchaos367:	domain was reg'd in his name/address

jakeslc555:	who knows, how they got pauls... probably the same way

liquidchaos367:	pauls info is public

liquidchaos367:	he's posted it b4 iirc

jakeslc555:	ahh :E

liquidchaos367:	on his personal page

liquidchaos367:	mousepad and zoid were the hardest for them to find

liquidchaos367:	they asked me for help with that

jakeslc555:	wow

jakeslc555:	they contacted zoid as well?

liquidchaos367:	they came to me long before anyone else

liquidchaos367:	2 years ago now I think

liquidchaos367:	yea

liquidchaos367:	2 years

jakeslc555:	well, you are the brains behind this all in the time and age, if i remember right

jakeslc555:	wow

jakeslc555:	so they basicly

jakeslc555:	contacted any d2 hacker that was fairly large..

jakeslc555:	:

jakeslc555:	:E

liquidchaos367:	it was funny - they released warden the day after they signed the agreement with me ^^

jakeslc555:	rofl

liquidchaos367:	part of my agreement being I can't hack their games anymore

jakeslc555:	:(

liquidchaos367:	which is why my anti-detection articles were all about "generic" anti-detection not "anti-warden detection" ;)

jakeslc555:	lol

jakeslc555:	well, if you ask me

jakeslc555:	theres no way to get past it other then the "middle man" like redvex, on a different machine with proper plugins, at least as far as a full blown public hack

liquidchaos367:	there are ways

liquidchaos367:	i've already described them, everyone just sux to much to implement them

jakeslc555:	lol

liquidchaos367:	netter got the closest

liquidchaos367:	in his last version of EP

jakeslc555:	ehh, netter never had a standing chance imo..

liquidchaos367:	he had it almost perfect

jakeslc555:	his hacks, got detected two times in a row with the same method by the warden..

liquidchaos367:	they detected him by reading the chat log

liquidchaos367:	and looking at the EP msg

liquidchaos367:	shady trick

jakeslc555:	oh wow

jakeslc555:	they cheap shotted

jakeslc555:	mouse pad as well..

jakeslc555:	with the gay line

jakeslc555:	:E

liquidchaos367:	netter was always intent on doing the bare minimum anti-detection every time

liquidchaos367:	I always told him

jakeslc555:	well

liquidchaos367:	to be more pre-emptive

jakeslc555:	i think he knew, that..

jakeslc555:	blizzard takes several months to update warden

jakeslc555:	so he could get a mass-ban and "re-proof"

jakeslc555:	and hes good for 5 months..

liquidchaos367:	yea

liquidchaos367:	mousepad sucked too

liquidchaos367:	ppl thought his AD wsa good

liquidchaos367:	his was the worst

liquidchaos367:	least advanced of all of them

liquidchaos367:	he was just lucky that blizzard is extremely stupid

jakeslc555:	rofl

jakeslc555:	well..

jakeslc555:	all of the

jakeslc555:	"good d2 hackers?" have long since gone now

liquidchaos367:	and then he got r0xed so hard

jakeslc555:	LOL

liquidchaos367:	I lol'd hard that day

liquidchaos367:	for like 6 months before that

liquidchaos367:	I had been saying

liquidchaos367:	"your anti-detection isn't perfect"

liquidchaos367:	and he kept saying "NOBODYS EVER BEEN BANNED CUZ OF MY HAX!!!111"

liquidchaos367:	then

liquidchaos367:	PWNED

jakeslc555:	lol

jakeslc555:	well, there is just...

jakeslc555:	so much, you have to consider

jakeslc555:	to make a good ad

jakeslc555:	:E

liquidchaos367:	yep

liquidchaos367:	I fucking told everyone how to do it

liquidchaos367:	to make it perfect

liquidchaos367:	nobody wanted to spend the time

jakeslc555:	no one, can do it...

jakeslc555:	or at least

liquidchaos367:	I can

jakeslc555:	none of these hackers, that can hack d2..

jakeslc555:	yes

jakeslc555:	but only if, you want to be sued by blizzard? lol

liquidchaos367:	lol

liquidchaos367:	right

jakeslc555:	^^

liquidchaos367:	http://www.rootkit.com/newsread.php?newsid=543

jakeslc555:	what do you think of VAC2, a strong anti-cheat?

liquidchaos367:	I co-designed that system

liquidchaos367:	anonymously

liquidchaos367:	with greg

jakeslc555:	ahh nice ^^

liquidchaos367:	i'm "even those who remain nameless"

liquidchaos367:	VAC2 is pretty good

liquidchaos367:	more advanced than warden

liquidchaos367:	in some ways anyway

jakeslc555:	yeah, seems hard to get buy

jakeslc555:	my friend kalvin, does a good job at it so far..

liquidchaos367:	http://forum.game-deception.net is the place to go for that

liquidchaos367:	sry, no -

liquidchaos367:	http://forum.gamedeception.net

jakeslc555:	:P

jakeslc555:	yeah, i am good friends with XanTrax, kalvin, c0re... and etc, most of the main HL series hackers

jakeslc555:	but

liquidchaos367:	ah

jakeslc555:	no ones ever came up with a perfect one, still..

jakeslc555:	you friends, with any of them?

liquidchaos367:	not really

liquidchaos367:	i'm friends with p47rick

liquidchaos367:	loopnz

liquidchaos367:	forget his forum name

liquidchaos367:	few others

jakeslc555:	wav is smart as well

jakeslc555:	by the way..

jakeslc555:	Lord2800 and i were talking the other day, about a anti-cheat possibly detecting a hack through checking for reading memory in a page that doesn't belong to it, how could that be counterd, do ya think?

liquidchaos367:	what do you mean by that?

liquidchaos367:	oh

jakeslc555:	:E

liquidchaos367:	w8 I get it

liquidchaos367:	how would you detect that though?

jakeslc555:	ehem, well.. I was asking lord2800 on a few idea of mine for a anti-detection, and he said they could detect it by "reading memory in a page that doesn't belong to it" to be honest , i don't really understand it to much..

liquidchaos367:	that would work - but there is no way to do that afaik

jakeslc555:	lol

jakeslc555:	well then, it's renderd pointless if it would not work :E

jakeslc555:	so did you like have coffe with blizzard or something lol?

liquidchaos367:	haha

liquidchaos367:	my dad did

liquidchaos367:	I don't like coffee

jakeslc555:	lmao

jakeslc555:	a nice sandwhich and some coffe and discuss the details with blizzard lol

liquidchaos367:	they brought food with them

jakeslc555:	LOL

jakeslc555:	really?

liquidchaos367:	rly

jakeslc555:	so they were ready for the long haul?

liquidchaos367:	they were here all day

liquidchaos367:	like 8-10 hours at least

liquidchaos367:	was a _LONG_ day

jakeslc555:	oh wow

liquidchaos367:	mostly cuz

liquidchaos367:	my dad is a lawyer

liquidchaos367:	and was negotiating my contract with them

liquidchaos367:	for like, forever

jakeslc555:	ahh i see

jakeslc555:	did your dad

jakeslc555:	know about all this hacking stuff?

liquidchaos367:	yes

jakeslc555:	my parents

jakeslc555:	would rage if blizzard came to door

liquidchaos367:	haha

jakeslc555:	i would have thought, blizzard would be all mean and stuff

jakeslc555:	not nice :E

jakeslc555:	i remember once, you told me about hacking a game called vanguard, or something... you ever end up doing it O_o?