14:35:08 < xris> Snow-Man / Chutt: looks like the server is a go. Going to look through what hardware we have on hand that's easiest/cheapest to part with but still provide something akin to what we're selling now (hoping for a dual-proc capable board, though probably only a single dual core cpu on it, still don't know what arch)
14:35:34 < Snow-Man> Neato.
14:36:57 < xris> just have to find a colo now.
14:37:02 < Snow-Man> yah.
14:37:10 < Snow-Man> Chutt: You done anything on that yet?
14:38:19 < xris> should look into setting up a bittorrent tracker for downloads, too...
14:38:48 < Snow-Man> Well, we can always move the downloads to SF
14:39:15 < xris> yeah, have talked about that. I think it's a good idea -- might as well let someone else pay for the download bandwidth 14:40:37 < Snow-Man> I like the idea of getting ibiblio or OSUOSL to let us put the box there... :) 14:41:32 < xris> that'd be awesome 14:41:47 < Snow-Man> yah. :)
14:44:21 < stuarta> ivor: looks like mythgesture has no destructor...
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14:56:23 < ivor> stuarta: so? 14:57:42 < stuarta> sadly it's only an itsy bitsy leak :(
14:57:59 < ivor> is it dynamically allocating something that needs freeing?
14:58:52 < stuarta> yes, quite a few things are. Have a nice valgrind of the frontend here, working through it.
14:59:03 < ivor> cool 14:59:39 < stuarta> but when I say itsy bitsy = <100bytes, haven't got up to the big ones yet :(
15:00:20 < ivor> now I'm home I'll have another look with my app
15:03:15 < gbee> even the smallest leaks are worth fixing given the long uptime of a myth system
15:03:59 < stuarta> so far mythgesture, mythmainwindow, frequencytables
15:04:38 < stuarta> mostly dynamically allocated static information (why???)
15:05:08 < Chutt> err, why would you bother writing a desctructor for something that is never destructed?
15:05:08 < stuarta> or private helpers
15:05:31 < stuarta> to cleanup valgrind output :)
15:06:11 < ivor> lol
15:06:35 < stuarta> makes it easier to find the real culprits...
15:07:17 < Chutt> the real culprits will have more than one block of memory allocated
15:11:57 < xris> Chutt / Snow-Man: which chassis? http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i3812/dual-opteron-server.php or http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i3949/2u-opteron-server.php 15:12:46 -!- gnome42 [n=obi@dsl-132-172.aei.ca] has joined #mythtv
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15:13:51 < xris> Snow-Man: looks like you'll get your amd proc. :)
15:14:02 < ivor> sexy
15:14:16 < Chutt> i dunno
15:14:02 < ivor> sexy 15:14:16 < Chutt> i dunno 15:14:30 < ivor> you'll hit all those weird 64bit compatibility problems noone's spotted. 15:14:33 < ivor> :)
15:14:47 < xris> Chutt: depends on colo prices for 2u?
15:15:00 < Chutt> yup
15:15:46 < xris> have you looked into what Snow-Man mentioned above? ibiblio/osuosdl?
15:16:12 < Chutt> not yet.
15:16:27 < Snow-Man> yay
15:16:31 < Chutt> at the moment, i'm leaning towards just leasing a second machine.
15:16:36 < Snow-Man> ivor: pah 15:16:46 < Snow-Man> I havn't had 64bit issues in ages. 15:17:08 < xris> Snow-Man: I do. w32codec doesn't work with 64 bit xine. heh. 15:17:21 < Snow-Man> xris: I'm not expecting that to be an issue... :) 15:17:30 < xris> Snow-Man: no, didn't think so, either. 15:17:35 < Snow-Man> hehe
15:17:46 < ivor> Snow-Man: just saying. :) getting better but still you do hit the odd app that hasn't been tested on 64bit
15:18:11 < Snow-Man> ivor: I'm running everything we're doing on the colo box on a 64bit box at work.
15:18:28 < Snow-Man> Chutt: Fine with me...
15:18:49 < xris> too bad the current place won't do a colo 15:18:54 < Snow-Man> yea. :/
15:19:06 < xris> who's the provider? 15:19:14 < Chutt> i'd rather pay for hosting than have some nebulous free agreement with some random place that could go away
15:19:14 < Snow-Man> Currently? servermatrix.net
15:19:33 < xris> Chutt: I can understand that. 15:19:43 < Snow-Man> You think ibiblio is more likely to go away than servermatrix...?
15:19:45 * Snow-Man would disagree..
15:19:55 < xris> would still be worth posting to the public mailing lists about it, though.
15:19:56 < Chutt> Snow-Man, from what i can see, they don't colo servers. 15:20:07 < Chutt> xris, sure
15:20:12 < Snow-Man> Chutt: Really? Have you actually asked them? :)
15:20:17 < Chutt> no
15:20:18 < Chutt> have you?
15:20:27 < Snow-Man> I'm not going to speak on behalf of mythtv..
15:21:11 < xris> website doesn't indicate colo. doesn't mean they wouldn't, though
15:22:00 < xris> though "colocation" *is* mentioned under their "professional services" section 15:22:38 -!- tomimo [n=kurre@a80-186-64-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Gotta get going ..."]
15:23:05 < xris> though that's in texas... thinking of colo there could open up some decent colos elsewhere in the country, too
15:23:53 < Chutt> i've not found a place with enough bandwidth anywhere in the country.
15:24:16 < Chutt> at pricing i'm willing to pay, at least
15:23:53 < Chutt> i've not found a place with enough bandwidth anywhere in the country. 15:24:16 < Chutt> at pricing i'm willing to pay, at least 15:24:38 < xris> contacted he.net for a quote? 15:24:50 < Chutt> no
15:24:51 < Snow-Man> They don't do invidiual servers.
15:24:56 < xris> he.net?
15:25:13 < xris> Snow-Man: or servermatrix?
15:25:14 < Snow-Man> Colocation:
15:25:14 < Snow-Man> 7U of Rack/Cabinet space is included in all bandwidth packages.
15:25:20 < Snow-Man> From: weby@he.net
15:25:28 < xris> ouch 15:25:56 -!- Baylink [n=jra@rrcs-71-40-184-110.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #mythtv 15:26:25 -!- tomimo [n=kurre@a80-186-64-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #mythtv 15:26:32 < xris> servermatrix: For custom and large enterprise hosted solutions, colocation, business continuance and connectivity sales@theplanet.com 15:26:46 < Chutt> they don't do inidividual colo anymore
15:26:51 < Chutt> err, spelled right, too 15:28:10 < Snow-Man> heh, nice, http://www.centerforthepublicdomain.org/
15:28:30 < xris> 404 15:28:43 < xris> or whatever the server-equivalent of 404 is
15:28:44 < o_cee> Chutt, just found an ugly bug that makes new recordings appear hidden.. if setting the recgroup to default (in the menus it's translated to swedish) it also sets it to swedish in the database, making it impossible to get from watch recs since it combines the two groups (standard and default), but only shows the ones from default.. fixing it should be easy, but should current errors in peoples recording schedules be corrected with a db upgr 15:28:44 < o_cee> ade as well, or what do you say?
15:28:56 < Snow-Man> xris: Exactly.
15:29:00 < kvandivo> anyone ever used coral for handling the high bandwidth? I've been meaning to investigate it at some point to see if it is reasonable or viable
15:29:24 < xris> Chutt: we could just get o_cee to host it on that nice government-subsidized fibre line into his home. ;)
15:29:32 < Snow-Man> haha 15:29:46 < o_cee> xris, schhh, you said you wouldn't tell anyone
15:30:31 < xris> o_cee: you spelled shhh in swedish.. it gave you away. ;)
15:30:40 < o_cee> xris, !#*@
15:31:07 < xris> unfortunately, my knowledge of colo's is limited to large-scale stuff or managed hosting (which is really expensive)
15:31:26 < gbee> o_cee: wasn't that translation problem also happening for the mythmusic output device field? did you ever solve it? 15:31:44 < o_cee> gbee, no, forgotten about it.. probably unrelated though 15:32:00 < gbee> probably 15:32:18 < o_cee> going to watch some CSI now, that i finally got back after fixing the db.. it said everywhere it had been recorded, but couldn't see it :) later 15:35:18 < xris> could always pick up a comcast 8M/1M business line and host from home. heh
15:35:27 < xris> not quite enough bandwidth, unfortunately
15:35:28 < Chutt> Snow-Man, someone other than you has to name the hardware if we get a new box.
15:36:11 < Snow-Man> eh?
15:36:30 < Chutt> none of this starwars crap
15:36:31 < Chutt> :p
15:36:32 < xris> internap.com is the local "good" colo here.. probably expensive, though.
15:36:43 < Snow-Man> xris: I can get a 5Mb/s up from Verizon, but it's excessively expensive.15:36:50 * Snow-Man smirks.
15:36:54 < Chutt> and a release would suck 15:36:57 < Snow-Man> Chutt: We can name it 'mythtv.org" 15:37:08 < Chutt> that's crazy talk 15:37:26 < Snow-Man> !#*@. :) 15:37:28 < gbee> boring 15:37:31 < xris> Chutt: offloading files to sourceforge and bittorrent would help
15:37:36 < Chutt> sure 15:37:51 < xris> Snow-Man: well, free hardware...
15:37:51 < GreyFoxx> Chutt: Looking for a new provider? I happen to work for a colo/hosting company
15:37:54 < Chutt> then we'd use around 200GB/month, currently. 15:37:55 < GreyFoxx> and we are all big fans of myth 15:37:57 < xris> GreyFoxx: oh? 15:38:03 < xris> you might be the solution. 15:38:04 < GreyFoxx> xris: yeah 15:38:12 < Chutt> GreyFoxx, aren't you on the list? :p
15:38:13 < Snow-Man> xris: Alright, getting it, whatever. :)
15:38:31 < GreyFoxx> Chutt: Yeah but I just got back from my wedding/honeymoon. haven't caught up on my mail yet :)
15:38:34 < Chutt> ah 15:38:53 < xris> GreyFoxx: oh, congratz... (didn't realize that was the reason for your vacation) 15:39:10 < xris> so... needs are what, 1-2T/month colo for 1u or 2u
15:39:16 < ivor> GreyFoxx: you didn't take a laptop???
15:39:30 < GreyFoxx> ivor: Nope. This was a technology free (cept for camera) vacation
15:39:36 < ivor> wow 15:40:46 < GreyFoxx> whatthread/list was it ?
15:40:52 < xris> developers list 15:40:55 < GreyFoxx> k 15:40:55 < Chutt> the super s33krit one 15:41:00 < GreyFoxx> heh 15:41:16 < Chutt> i was going to email the public lists tonight/tomorrow 15:41:38 < GreyFoxx> I'll make a call in a bit see what I can come up with 15:41:44 < xris> cool
15:45:07 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: yea, congrats. :)
15:45:19 < GreyFoxx> thx :)
15:45:27 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: What provider...? 15:45:38 < Snow-Man> Or hosting company or whatever. :)
15:45:47 < GreyFoxx> The company is called LAndlordit. We do colo, hosting, fibre connections intown here, wifi and soon to be a VOIP provider
15:45:53 < GreyFoxx> We have connections to like 6 providers
15:46:03 < Snow-Man> Cool.
15:46:06 < GreyFoxx> bgp is your friend :)
15:46:10 < Snow-Man> haha, indeed. :)
15:46:11 < Chutt> you cut'n'paste that 15:46:18 < GreyFoxx> heh 15:46:31 < GreyFoxx> I just removed the /m Chutt part of what I sent to you :_) 15:47:00 < Snow-Man> We push like 700GB/mo or so, atm. 15:47:18 < Snow-Man> uh-oh... 15:47:19 < Chutt> and we peak pretty high at times
15:47:26 < Snow-Man> Chutt: Watch out, he's a cannuk! 15:47:30 < Chutt> yes :p
15:47:31 * Snow-Man ducks ;) 15:47:38 < xris> it's a good thing we ship to canada... heh
15:47:44 < GreyFoxx> heh 15:47:50 < GreyFoxx> and no DMCA ;) 15:47:59 < Snow-Man> Anywhere near toronto? I'm gonna be up there in July.. :) 15:48:13 < xris> GreyFoxx: true (for now) 15:48:13 < GreyFoxx> Halifax 15:48:27 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: yea, but then, you pay your "artists" through sales of *blank* CDs... ;)
15:48:42 < GreyFoxx> I can live with that :) 15:48:43 * Snow-Man has no clue how close Halifax and Toronto are..
15:48:47 < GreyFoxx> Snow-Man: Not veryt 15:48:48 < xris> Snow-Man: not close 15:48:51 < GreyFoxx> Toronto is in the middle 15:48:52 < Snow-Man> doh, oh well. :)
15:48:57 < GreyFoxx> Halifax is on the Atlantic Coast
15:49:20 < Snow-Man> ah, ok.
15:49:58 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: yea, we've pushed up to like 20Mb/s before.. :) 15:50:10 < Chutt> bah
15:50:15 < Chutt> the 19 release spike was like 13 15:50:42 < Snow-Man> Well, when we were in the middle of the /.'ing and upgraded the port speed to 100Mbit I think it spiked to like 17Mbs. 15:51:03 < Chutt> the graphs on orbit only go back to december 15:51:19 * Snow-Man shrugs. 15:51:32 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: In terms of 95th percentile stuff, I think we'd end up around 3Mb/s atm.
15:51:53 < Chutt> a little higher
15:51:54 < GreyFoxx> ok
15:52:02 < Chutt> maybe, i dunno 15:52:50 < Snow-Man> 700 * 1024 * 8
15:52:50 < Snow-Man> 5734400 15:52:50 < Snow-Man> . / (30*24*60*60)
15:52:50 < Snow-Man> 2.21234567901234567901
15:53:13 < GreyFoxx> that mostly downloading of the binaries or accessing the webpages/wiki themselves ?
15:53:21 < Chutt> binaries are a large chunk of it
15:53:55 < Snow-Man> Yeah, the bulk of the *bandwidth* is because of the binaries. The bulk of the load on the box is the other stuff. 15:54:03 < xris> about 400G at least count for just tarballs, right? 15:54:15 < xris> er, "last" 15:54:15 < Chutt> yeah. 15:54:29 < Chutt> last month, 400 of the ~700 was the source tarballs.
15:54:32 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: The idea being that xris' company would provide the box, I think..
15:54:57 < Snow-Man> GreyFoxx: Which sounds like it'd be a 2U rack-mount, etc. 15:54:57 -!- r-emmer [n=r-emmer@86-39-41-92.customer.fulladsl.be] has quit ["Ik ga weg"]
15:55:04 < xris> Snow-Man: that's the idea... people seem pretty enthused about the idea so far 15:56:16 < xris> either 1u or 2u at our (mythtv) option 15:58:44 < xris> Chutt: you might want to mention some incentives for GreyFoxx for discounted hosting, too. 15:58:57 < Chutt> oh, sure 15:59:16 < Chutt> GreyFoxx, count on a 'sponsored by' link on the website
15:59:18 < Snow-Man> A "hosted by" blurb? :) 15:59:21 < Chutt> or hosted by
15:59:23 < Chutt> right 15:59:47 < GreyFoxx> that is something they would like heh 16:00:01 < GreyFoxx> brb , gotta feed the littlun 16:00:04 < xris> GreyFoxx: yeah, that was a big seller here...
16:02:16 * Snow-Man wonders if "Contact a geek!" will connect him to GreyFoxx ;)
16:02:31 < GreyFoxx> it would :)
16:02:35 < Snow-Man> hehehehe 16:07:05 < Chutt> oh yeah
16:07:15 < Chutt> Snow-Man, hey, uh, i need wiki@mythtv.org to go somewhere 16:07:31 < Chutt> not sure how postfix works :p 16:08:03 < Snow-Man> uh, hack /etc/aliases and run newaliases? 16:08:12 < Chutt> well, see 16:08:29 < Chutt> i don't get any email from m.o 16:08:49 < Snow-Man> hrmmm. 16:09:18 < Snow-Man> Wait, what has that got to do with anything?
16:09:21 < Chutt> i dunno
16:09:41 < Chutt> i guess i could just set up a redirct from my account there
16:09:44 < Snow-Man> Chutt: Where do you want it to go? 16:09:54 < Chutt> redirect
16:09:56 < Chutt> geesh 16:10:01 < Chutt> ijr@speakeasy.net
16:10:19 < Snow-Man> Done.
16:10:41 < Chutt> that'll do the proper re-mailing? 16:10:48 < Chutt> neato
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16:11:00 -!- beavis [n=beavis@p54A7B505.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:11:02 < Snow-Man> It'll just forward it on to your account... 16:11:17 < Snow-Man> Tell you what, how about you test it and lemme know if it does what you want. :) 16:11:21 < Chutt> just needed to, since the wiki requires a confirmed email address
16:11:49 < Snow-Man> k 16:12:02 < Chutt> and i want the address it's sending from to be active
16:12:14 < Snow-Man> ... eh? 16:12:43 < Chutt> you put in your email address, it automatically sends out an email to that address for you to click on the link 16:13:01 < Chutt> like, i dunno, everything else out there that confirms email addresses actually work :p 16:13:10 < Snow-Man> oh, yea 16:13:29 < Chutt> yes, that worked 16:13:35 < Chutt> "snowman is silly." 16:13:36 < Snow-Man> And you want to get spam back from them, ok. :)
16:13:39 * Snow-Man smirks. 16:14:04 < Chutt> i just want to know if someone tries to reply to it instead of clicking on the link like they're supposed to 16:14:29 < Snow-Man> mkay. 16:16:00 < Chutt> allright 16:16:08 < Chutt> guess i should re-file my taxes now
16:17:08 < xris> "re"?
16:17:30 < Chutt> got a k-1 i didn't think was coming last friday
16:17:41 < xris> ah 16:18:05 < Chutt> changed what i owe by like $4
16:18:11 < xris> ouch 16:18:25 < xris> annoying to do that much more work just to owe $4 16:18:29 < kvandivo> which would turn in $400 if you waited a year and the IRS caught it 16:18:39 < Chutt> yup 16:18:45 < Chutt> well, it reduced what i owe by $4 16:18:45 < xris> true 16:18:55 < kvandivo> they make credit card companies look positively generous when it comes to interest rates
16:19:02 < Chutt> drop in the bucket, but i still need to update things :(
16:20:41 < Snow-Man> bbl.
16:21:02 < Chutt> all because of my previous job, they just won't stop the company 16:24:08 < kvandivo> xris: how many amps is your box pulling, do you figure?
16:24:16 < kvandivo> the one you are thinking about for myth
16:24:37 < xris> kvandivo: the new server? 16:24:43 < kvandivo> ya
16:24:51 < xris> depends on what goes into it.
16:25:00 < xris> which depends on which chassis Chutt and Snow-Man pick 16:25:11 < kvandivo> reasonable upper bound it for me 16:25:40 < xris> will ask proddev