Aug 17 05:44:30 <mushed> they should _also_ teach Flying Spaghetti Monster- creationism
Aug 17 05:45:02 <man_in_shack> they should also teach my theory of creation
Aug 17 05:45:14 <mushed> man_in_shack: oh yeah, what's that like? :)
Aug 17 05:45:45 <man_in_shack> mushed, in it's most complex form, it relies on quantum physics because it's based on an event being caused by its product
Aug 17 05:46:39 <man_in_shack> it also relies on time travel being a possibility, and the natural curiosity of people
Aug 17 05:47:00 <man_in_shack> basically, you get a guy in a time machine who wants to observe the big bang
Aug 17 05:47:11 <man_in_shack> to find out once and for all how it actually happened
Aug 17 05:48:05 <man_in_shack> so he calculates the exact spacetime coordinates of the big bang and programs his time machine to get there before it happens
Aug 17 05:48:14 <man_in_shack> so he can observe it from the beginning
Aug 17 05:48:54 <man_in_shack> so off he goes in his little time machine, which incidentally is the shape of an original mazda 121
Aug 17 05:48:55 <man_in_shack> ;)
Aug 17 05:49:16 <mushed> lol
Aug 17 05:49:24 <man_in_shack> problem is, that before the big bang, there is no spacetime
Aug 17 05:49:33 <man_in_shack> the universe does not exist
Aug 17 05:49:45 <mushed> i was just about to say that
Aug 17 05:49:47 <mushed> :)
Aug 17 05:49:58 <man_in_shack> so you can't observe its creation no matter how far back you go
Aug 17 05:50:15 <man_in_shack> because you only end up appearing at the creation of the universe
Aug 17 05:50:25 <mushed> "creation"
Aug 17 05:50:29 <man_in_shack> yeah
Aug 17 05:50:33 <man_in_shack> whatever
Aug 17 05:50:34 <mushed> well, you'll end up in an early universe
Aug 17 05:50:45 <mushed> assuming time travel is possible, which i don't :)
Aug 17 05:50:54 <man_in_shack> the universe manifests itself to compensate for the fact that something exists within it
Aug 17 05:51:15 <mushed> sorry, that's too fancy language for me :)
Aug 17 05:51:21 <mushed> at least, i don't understand the context
Aug 17 05:51:23 <man_in_shack> heh
Aug 17 05:51:35 <man_in_shack> well, you try observing the creation of the universe
Aug 17 05:52:05 <man_in_shack> but because there's no universe when you get there, the universe manifests itself in the form of a massive explosion of energy
Aug 17 05:52:20 <man_in_shack> you are destroyed in the process and scatted amongst the stars
Aug 17 05:52:40 <man_in_shack> if someone else tries the same thing, they also get scattered amongst the stars
Aug 17 05:53:33 <man_in_shack> the big bang was probably a result of multiple time machines intersecting each other at the exact same spacetime coordinates
Aug 17 05:53:38 <man_in_shack> before anything else existed
Aug 17 05:53:52 <mushed> hmm
Aug 17 05:53:55 <man_in_shack> but even if there was only one of them, the theory stands
Aug 17 05:54:14 <mushed> well, from my understanding
Aug 17 05:54:19 <man_in_shack> it just means there was a hell of a lot more energy released by that one ship when it got there
Aug 17 05:54:24 <mushed> the big bang started as a little ball, of matterAug 17 05:54:34 <man_in_shack> that's the current there
Aug 17 05:54:35 <man_in_shack> *theory
Aug 17 05:54:40 <mushed> hmm
Aug 17 05:54:46 <man_in_shack> but there are some big problems with it
Aug 17 05:54:52 <mushed> well, taking that theory, you might end up being _part of_ the ball of matter
Aug 17 05:54:55 <man_in_shack> 1) where did the matter come from in the first place?
Aug 17 05:55:02 <mushed> if we assume that time travel is possible, and one did so
Aug 17 05:55:07 <mushed> man_in_shack: yeah, go on...
Aug 17 05:55:15 <man_in_shack> 2) what caused it to explode?
Aug 17 05:55:16 * mushed is reminded of the Law of Conservation of Matter
Aug 17 05:55:19 <mushed> ...
Aug 17 05:55:26 <man_in_shack> 3) how long is it supposed to have been stable?
Aug 17 05:55:42 <man_in_shack> my theory makes more sense
Aug 17 05:55:53 <man_in_shack> it doesn't rely on there being anything before time itself
Aug 17 05:56:33 <man_in_shack> and the law of conservation of energy is fine, but we're talking about extreme circumstances here
Aug 17 05:56:45 <man_in_shack> there's not so much a void as a lack of anything at all, including space and time
Aug 17 05:56:56 <man_in_shack> then suddenly there's something from the distant future
Aug 17 05:57:10 <man_in_shack> and reality has to compensate for that
Aug 17 05:57:14 <mushed> brb
Aug 17 05:57:32 <man_in_shack> you get this sudden, massive burst of energy
Aug 17 05:58:52 <man_in_shack> the current accepted theory is that the energy/matter has always been here, like a vorlon
Aug 17 05:59:31 <man_in_shack> but everyone knows that the vorlons came from somewhere. after all, the shadows are older than them, though not by much