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[2007-05-06 00:00:08] <apollo> So... He's out, but not down?
[2007-05-06 00:00:35] <apollo> How intriguing.  (granted, I knew this since August 2006...)
[2007-05-06 00:04:14] <ihope> Maybe I'll say that a 1/0-like comic is one where the author is the most prominent character.
[2007-05-06 00:04:37] <ihope> Except that Tailsteak isn't necessarily the most prominent character of 1/0.
[2007-05-06 00:05:23] <ihope> So I'll say that a 1/0-like comic is one where the author participates "that way" and acts clueless at the beginning.
[2007-05-06 00:05:49] <apollo> Dangit.
[2007-05-06 00:05:52] <ihope> "That way" meaning without an avatar.
[2007-05-06 00:05:54] <apollo> I was going to go to CPO.
[2007-05-06 00:06:15] <ihope> So that cuts the list of 1/0-likes down to one: 1/0.
[2007-05-06 00:06:34] <apollo> May I ask again why a website must be closed between certain hours?
[2007-05-06 00:06:45] <apollo> Do they honestly monitor it that closely?
[2007-05-06 00:09:01] <ihope> I mean, the author of FRAMED!!! sort of acts clueless and sort of participates.
[2007-05-06 00:09:14] <ihope> But not to the degree of 1/0.
[2007-05-06 00:09:50] <ihope> Maybe I should call my comic strip SF Omega instead of SF Prehistory.
[2007-05-06 00:10:04] <ihope> Or SF Aleph_0, but that doesn't really look or sound nice.
[2007-05-06 00:10:10] <apollo> Okay... so physics final has 3 questions based on first 3 exams...
[2007-05-06 00:10:19] <apollo> Each exam had 4 chapters.
[2007-05-06 00:10:31] <apollo> Final also has 3 questions based on the 4 new chapters that we've covered...
[2007-05-06 00:10:46] <apollo> And he specified that we'd likely have one over cosmology to make sure that we pay attention.
[2007-05-06 00:11:19] <apollo> And cosmology is in chapter 44, along with particle physics which he also seemed to like... I think that's his field of study.
[2007-05-06 00:11:30] <apollo> He talked about a nuclear fusion reactor that will be built in France.
[2007-05-06 00:11:52] <apollo> So... It seems like this test will be very broad, but specific.
[2007-05-06 00:12:01] <apollo> He likes specific questions...
[2007-05-06 00:12:14] <apollo> And yet, he'll only ask us 6 of them.
[2007-05-06 00:12:28] <apollo> One will be multiple choice. (my bet is it'll be the cosmology one)
[2007-05-06 00:13:20] <apollo> Though, I'd be more than happy if the multiple choice was "Which of these electron state configurations does not work?"
[2007-05-06 00:15:46] <apollo> Oh, wait.  Fusion is nuclear.
[2007-05-06 00:15:47] <apollo> Right.
[2007-05-06 00:16:06] <apollo> So... He'll likely have a question from 43, and from 44 (specifically cosmology)
[2007-05-06 00:17:02] <apollo> I'd say the other one will likely be atomic structure...
[2007-05-06 00:17:20] <apollo> Though, it could be particle physics or molecular structure.
[2007-05-06 00:17:40] <apollo> And the rest... I'll just study the past exams for.
[2007-05-06 00:17:49] <apollo> I do hate having to make up my own cheat-sheet, though.
[2007-05-06 00:17:57] <apollo> It'd be nice if he provided an equation sheet.
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[2007-05-06 00:25:32] <apollo> Hmm... It seems I'll at least get a B+ in physics... Even if I get a 40... which is two problems, entirely correct.
[2007-05-06 00:25:49] <apollo> If I get a 74... I get an A.
[2007-05-06 00:25:53] <apollo> Not bad.
[2007-05-06 00:26:08] <apollo> It could be better odds, had I done better on the other tests.
[2007-05-06 00:29:33] <apollo> I generally hated the course... and the professor.
[2007-05-06 00:36:07] <RProgrammer> So how's openc2e coming?
[2007-05-06 00:36:10] <Ami> Chatkill award.  Apollo gained 26 points.  He has killed chat 9893 times and has 999414368 points.
[2007-05-06 00:36:47] <bd_> RProgrammer: http://wiki.ccdevnet.org/index.php/Openc2e_Release_Plan
[2007-05-06 00:36:53] <bd_> also http://code.google.com/p/openc2e/issues/list
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[2007-05-06 00:41:42] <apollo> I like this... "Make sure stuff doesn't randomly fall out of the world"
[2007-05-06 00:42:17] <RProgrammer> Can you really meet that deadline?
[2007-05-06 00:42:22] <RProgrammer> The July one..
[2007-05-06 00:42:35] <bd_> mebbty
[2007-05-06 00:42:37] <bd_> mebby*
[2007-05-06 00:43:12] <apollo> Well, it gives enough time to make the August CCSF. >.>
[2007-05-06 00:43:27] <RProgrammer> CCSF?
[2007-05-06 00:43:31] <apollo> So it gets postponed a month or so... CCSF!
[2007-05-06 00:43:51] <apollo> Only the BIGGEST, BADDEST thing to happen to the CC since... stringed cheese.
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[2007-05-06 00:44:04] <apollo> Wait.  Norns still don't have stringed cheese, do they?
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[2007-05-06 00:44:18] <apollo> and it's likely just string cheese.
[2007-05-06 00:44:32] <apollo> But I like to say "stringed" since it seems like I'm the one doing the stringing.
[2007-05-06 00:44:42] <apollo> Which is, after all, the main reason I like it.
[2007-05-06 00:45:34] <apollo> Oh, and I'm not entirely certain that things need to be on screen to play sounds.
[2007-05-06 00:45:40] <apollo> I think stuff can be elsewhere...
[2007-05-06 00:45:48] <apollo> I'm not entirely certain on this, however.
[2007-05-06 00:46:30] <apollo> Sane world-wrapping would be nice... especially if there were C3/DS implementation as well.
[2007-05-06 00:46:52] <apollo> So that C12DS could easily be ported to oc2e.
[2007-05-06 00:47:01] <RProgrammer> But it would be metaroom wrapping in DS, no?
[2007-05-06 00:47:29] <apollo> And maybe be more efficient than Clucky's smoke and mirrors.  Though, it all still amazes me.
[2007-05-06 00:47:37] <apollo> RP: Right...
[2007-05-06 00:47:52] <RProgrammer> Just how did he implement that anyway?
[2007-05-06 00:48:03] <apollo> Smoke and mirrors... >.>
[2007-05-06 00:48:13] <apollo> Actually, it involved cameras and warpers.
[2007-05-06 00:48:23] <apollo> But it's magic nonetheless.
[2007-05-06 00:48:35] <apollo> He's Clucky the Magnificent.
[2007-05-06 00:48:39] <RProgrammer> Ahh, I thought it had to be more than just moving the camera after a certain point..
[2007-05-06 00:49:01] <apollo> Well, the moving the camera only affects the user.
[2007-05-06 00:49:16] <RProgrammer> Life-size cameras, genius!
[2007-05-06 00:49:26] <apollo> Clucky wanted it to work with creatures as well.
[2007-05-06 00:49:43] <apollo> I'm not exactly sure if a creature can see something on the other side of the divide, though.
[2007-05-06 00:49:50] <apollo> Like say... a mernorn...
[2007-05-06 00:50:03] <RProgrammer> Oh yeah, the agents do it too. But they can just be teleported after a certain point, they aren't as picky as us
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[2007-05-06 00:51:02] <apollo> Well, the hard part was allowing agents to warp across... and to be able to actually "wrap"
[2007-05-06 00:51:22] <DrFuzz> Morning. *yawn*
[2007-05-06 00:51:32] <apollo> I mean, it's trivial to put an agent that says "okay... if user wants to go further in this direction, teleport to the other end of the map"
[2007-05-06 00:51:41] <apollo> But that's not "wrapping"
[2007-05-06 00:52:02] <apollo> Also... same for creatures.  Granted, as you mentioned, that doesn't really bother creatures so much.
[2007-05-06 00:52:04] <RProgrammer> Correct
[2007-05-06 00:52:19] <apollo> Though now I am very intrigued as to whether a creature can see stuff on the other side.
[2007-05-06 00:52:30] <apollo> I'll ask Clucky sometime.
[2007-05-06 00:52:34] <bd_> Question
[2007-05-06 00:52:42] <bd_> What the HELL kind of token name is this: http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+lang:lex+T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM+show:uRWtizZNe3U:qdm2dPv9zt0:AuXG0DdZ0H0&sa=N&cd=1&ct=rc&cs_p=http://www.acad.bg/ftp/pub/php/php-4.0b2.tar.gz&cs_f=php-4.0b2/libzend/zend-scanner.l#a0
[2007-05-06 00:52:42] <RProgrammer> I doubt it
[2007-05-06 00:52:53] <bd_> T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM?!
[2007-05-06 00:53:17] <apollo> Umm... Perhaps they're trying to confuse anyone that uses their code?
[2007-05-06 00:53:45] <bd_> Apparently it's hebrew for 'double colon'
[2007-05-06 00:53:49] <apollo> Oh.
[2007-05-06 00:54:07] <apollo> But... couldn't they have made it shorter, and easier to understand?
[2007-05-06 00:54:10] <bd_> Yes.
[2007-05-06 00:54:11] <bd_> <.<
[2007-05-06 00:54:14] <RProgrammer> ...Processing...
[2007-05-06 00:54:15] <apollo> Granted, the person might know Hebrew.
[2007-05-06 00:54:22] <bd_> The original coders apparently did >_>
[2007-05-06 00:54:30] <RProgrammer> ..Nevermind...
[2007-05-06 00:54:31] <bd_> that's really no excuse though
[2007-05-06 00:55:06] <apollo> bd_: Maybe it was just one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time.
[2007-05-06 00:55:16] <RProgrammer> I like it
[2007-05-06 00:55:37] <apollo> "Hey, bud.  How 'bout I use hebrew for this one variable?"  "SURE! That's l33t!"
[2007-05-06 00:55:48] <bd_> mhm
[2007-05-06 00:56:50] <apollo> I still find it odd how that person that wrote code for the Wii-mote interface with Windows won't allow Israelis to use it.
[2007-05-06 00:56:54] <apollo> What about people in Iran?
[2007-05-06 00:57:08] <apollo> Or North Korea?
[2007-05-06 00:59:12] <apollo> What the heck?! http://www.wab.com
[2007-05-06 00:59:18] <apollo> It's designed like an NFO file.
[2007-05-06 00:59:29] <apollo> Except all the text is made of images. >.>
[2007-05-06 01:00:09] <apollo> They're dumping the Wii's ram... and trying to analyze it.
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[2007-05-06 01:01:01] <Ami> [Muffin] Computers are not intelligent.  They only think they are.
[2007-05-06 01:01:13] <apollo> Oh, if anyone uses BSD... there's finally a wii-mote program out there for you.
[2007-05-06 01:01:21] <nornagon> heh, that's pretty neat
[2007-05-06 01:01:23] <bd_> they seem to be using the wrong charset in places >_>
[2007-05-06 01:01:29] <nornagon> could've got their charsets right though
[2007-05-06 01:01:31] <nornagon> heh
[2007-05-06 01:01:52] =-= Mode #lobby +o Muffin by Muffin
[2007-05-06 01:02:52] <apollo> There's even API for Windows now. http://code.google.com/p/wiimote-api/
[2007-05-06 01:03:17] <YeTr2> russians are technically asian, arn't they?
[2007-05-06 01:03:19] <apollo> So why couldn't IR theoretically work from the screen's lighting?
[2007-05-06 01:03:21] <nornagon> one of my friends has worked on the python binding
[2007-05-06 01:03:40] <DrFuzz> YeTr2: Not really. Mixture between Europe and Asia.
[2007-05-06 01:03:42] <apollo> Screens emit IR, don't they?
[2007-05-06 01:04:02] <YeTr2> why?
[2007-05-06 01:04:32] <DrFuzz> Because the country spans 11 timezones, all the way from Western Europe to China and Japan?
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[2007-05-06 01:04:53] <apollo> Wow.  The Mac has some cool Wii-mote software. http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Remote_Buddy
[2007-05-06 01:05:05] <YeTr2> and before when people decided to 'time zone' things?
[2007-05-06 01:05:08] <apollo> I likes it.
[2007-05-06 01:05:55] <DrFuzz> YeTr2: it still was a huge country. Sheesh.
[2007-05-06 01:05:56] =-= Dylan is now known as Dylan[sleep]
[2007-05-06 01:12:03] <DrFuzz> I should get back to bed, really.
[2007-05-06 01:12:21] <apollo> So The Canopy has been in the works for 2 years?
[2007-05-06 01:12:32] <apollo> It's going to be like C12DS... >.>
[2007-05-06 01:13:25] <nornagon> is that edash and aquashee's thing?
[2007-05-06 01:17:10] <GreenReaper> apollo: Finished against all odds by Clucky?
[2007-05-06 01:18:38] <apollo> GR: Heh. No.  I meant the time...
[2007-05-06 01:18:53] <apollo> It was like 5+ years for C12DS, right?
[2007-05-06 01:18:59] <GreenReaper> Yes.
[2007-05-06 01:36:16] <apollo> Is it bad if I've gotten to the point where I don't really care about my finals anymore?
[2007-05-06 01:36:20] <Ami> You killed chat.  GeeArr gained 28 points.  He has killed chat 2232 times and has 40413 points.
[2007-05-06 01:36:34] <apollo> I mean, I've had it up to here *makes hand motions* with both of them...
[2007-05-06 01:36:37] <apollo> They've driven me insane.
[2007-05-06 01:36:42] <apollo> I'll be glad to be done with them.
[2007-05-06 01:37:56] <apollo> If I maintain my A in circuits (which I hopefully will do... unless I completely screw up)
[2007-05-06 01:38:22] <apollo> And then get a B+ (but hopefully higher) in physics... I'll have summa cum laude for the semester.
[2007-05-06 01:39:58] <apollo> It'd be very nice to keep all As... but the physics final is looking scary.
[2007-05-06 01:42:10] <apollo> Oh, and I'm going to florida for summer.  How cliche.
[2007-05-06 01:42:20] <apollo> I should blog, but I'm too lazy to go to Wordpress.
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[2007-05-06 02:18:46] <apollo> Hmm... I'm working on a post "Politicians."  I wonder if I'll regret it later?
[2007-05-06 02:18:55] <apollo> Making my political biases known.
[2007-05-06 02:21:01] <DrFuzz> If you don't feel comfortable with saying what you believe in, then maybe you shouldn't. :P
[2007-05-06 02:23:14] <apollo> :P
[2007-05-06 02:25:29] <DrFuzz> Right. I need to figure out something to do for today, otherwise I'll be checking my email every couple of minutes.
[2007-05-06 02:30:41] <YeTr2> dang.. this shit is frelling hard as hell x.x;
[2007-05-06 02:31:51] <YeTr2> All groups are defined in the /etc/group file. Each entry contains four fields in the following
[2007-05-06 02:31:54] <YeTr2> order.
[2007-05-06 02:31:57] <YeTr2> A. groupname, password, GID, member list
[2007-05-06 02:31:59] <YeTr2> B. GID, groupname, password, member list
[2007-05-06 02:32:02] <YeTr2> C. groupname, GID, password, member list
[2007-05-06 02:32:05] <YeTr2> D. GID, member list, groupname, password
[2007-05-06 02:32:17] <nornagon> a
[2007-05-06 02:32:55] <nornagon> but I only know that after a cat /etc/group
[2007-05-06 02:34:03] <YeTr2> hmm
[2007-05-06 02:34:09] <YeTr2> where is a hard one that is on the linux test..
[2007-05-06 02:34:23] <YeTr2> There are seven fields in the /etc/passwd file. Which of the following lists all the fields in the
[2007-05-06 02:34:26] <YeTr2> correct order?
[2007-05-06 02:34:29] <YeTr2> A. username, UID, password, GID, home directory, command, comment
[2007-05-06 02:34:31] <YeTr2> B. username, password, UID, GID, comment, home directory, command
[2007-05-06 02:34:34] <YeTr2> C. UID, username, GID, home directory, password, comment, command
[2007-05-06 02:34:36] <YeTr2> D. username, password, UID, group name, GID, home directory, comment
[2007-05-06 02:34:52] <YeTr2> What file defines the levels of messages written to system log files?
[2007-05-06 02:35:00] <YeTr2> Which utility can you use to automate rotation of logs?
[2007-05-06 02:35:09] <bd_> logrotate?
[2007-05-06 02:35:14] <nornagon> B
[2007-05-06 02:35:40] <nornagon> i have no idea about the other two, though
[2007-05-06 02:35:44] <YeTr2> hmm
[2007-05-06 02:35:51] <YeTr2> first one is syslog.conf
[2007-05-06 02:35:52] <nornagon> logrotate seems to be right
[2007-05-06 02:35:57] <YeTr2> the second one is logrotate
[2007-05-06 02:36:15] <YeTr2> When defining a cronjob, there are five fields used to specify when the job will run. What are
[2007-05-06 02:36:18] <YeTr2> these fields and what is the correct order?
[2007-05-06 02:36:20] <nornagon> then again, i've never needed either :)
[2007-05-06 02:36:21] <YeTr2> A. minute, hour, day of week, day of month, month.
[2007-05-06 02:36:24] <YeTr2> B. minute, hour, month, day of month, day of week.
[2007-05-06 02:36:26] <YeTr2> C. minute, hour, day of month, month, day of week.
[2007-05-06 02:36:28] <YeTr2> D. hour, minute, day of month, month, day of week.
[2007-05-06 02:36:36] <bd_> b
[2007-05-06 02:36:38] <nornagon> C
[2007-05-06 02:36:42] <bd_> wait
[2007-05-06 02:36:42] <bd_> c
[2007-05-06 02:36:43] <bd_> XD
[2007-05-06 02:36:44] <nornagon> :)
[2007-05-06 02:36:46] <bd_> 2:37am
[2007-05-06 02:36:50] <bd_> <.<
[2007-05-06 02:36:54] <nornagon> cat /etc/crontab >.>
[2007-05-06 02:37:03] <bd_> cheater >.>
[2007-05-06 02:37:06] * bd_ goes to build dpkg with debug
[2007-05-06 02:37:10] <YeTr2> not all crontab files have the comments thou
[2007-05-06 02:37:11] <nornagon> <.<
[2007-05-06 02:37:18] <YeTr2> You company does not want to start a mailing list for each of its departments and would rather
[2007-05-06 02:37:19] <nornagon> YeTr2: my /etc/crontab does :)
[2007-05-06 02:37:22] <YeTr2> have an alias for each department. What would you put in the /etc/aliases file to make this work?
[2007-05-06 02:37:22] <nornagon> # m h dom mon dow user  command
[2007-05-06 02:37:25] <YeTr2> A. alias_name: read:/ect/mail/alias-list
[2007-05-06 02:37:28] <YeTr2> B. alias_name: :include:/etc/mail/alias-list
[2007-05-06 02:37:30] <YeTr2> C. alias_name: read-from:/etc/mail/alias-list
[2007-05-06 02:37:33] <YeTr2> D. alias_name: include-from:/etc/mail/alias-list
[2007-05-06 02:38:31] <bd_> (pbuild5162)root@hanyuu:/# dpkg
[2007-05-06 02:38:32] <bd_> Floating point exception
[2007-05-06 02:38:33] <bd_> heh.
[2007-05-06 02:38:34] <Ami> Good job.  You killed chat.  YeTr2 gained 27 points.  It has killed chat 310 times and has 7546 points.
[2007-05-06 02:38:42] <nornagon> woah, awesome :)
[2007-05-06 02:38:56] <YeTr2> Which entry in the .procmailrc file will send a copy of an email to another mail address?
[2007-05-06 02:38:59] <YeTr2> A. :0 c
[2007-05-06 02:39:02] <YeTr2> B. :0 copy
[2007-05-06 02:39:04] <YeTr2> C. :c
[2007-05-06 02:39:07] <YeTr2> D. :copy
[2007-05-06 02:39:09] <YeTr2> E. :s
[2007-05-06 02:39:32] <nornagon> $ dpkg -l |grep procmail
[2007-05-06 02:39:33] <nornagon> $
[2007-05-06 02:39:40] <nornagon> :>
[2007-05-06 02:39:54] <YeTr2> it's A
[2007-05-06 02:40:15] <YeTr2> What command can be used to add a new newsgroup called Certkiller that allows posting?
[2007-05-06 02:40:19] <YeTr2> A. ctlinnd newgroup Certkiller n news
[2007-05-06 02:40:21] <YeTr2> B. ctlinnd newgroup Certkiller y news
[2007-05-06 02:40:24] <YeTr2> C. ctlinnd addgroup Certkiller y news
[2007-05-06 02:40:26] <YeTr2> D. ctlinnd newgroup Certkiller +rw news
[2007-05-06 02:40:28] <YeTr2> E. ctlinnd addgroup Certkiller +rw news
[2007-05-06 02:40:41] <nornagon> i'd guess E
[2007-05-06 02:40:46] <YeTr2> nope
[2007-05-06 02:40:56] <nornagon> well, it *should* be E >.>
[2007-05-06 02:41:00] <YeTr2> why?
[2007-05-06 02:41:11] <YeTr2> this isn't chmod
[2007-05-06 02:41:16] <nornagon> that's the one that looks least horrible
[2007-05-06 02:41:22] <YeTr2> it's B
[2007-05-06 02:42:02] <YeTr2> You have a static external IP of 10.0.0.10 on your firewall. You want to masquerade all internal
[2007-05-06 02:42:05] <YeTr2> hosts on the network 192.168.0.0/24 behind this static IP. Your iptables rule is:
[2007-05-06 02:42:07] <YeTr2> A. iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQUERADE
[2007-05-06 02:42:10] <YeTr2> B. iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d/0/0 -j SNAT --to -source 10.0.0.10
[2007-05-06 02:42:13] <YeTr2> C. iptables -t nat A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -j SNAT --to -source 10.0.0.10
[2007-05-06 02:42:16] <YeTr2> D. iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQUERADE
[2007-05-06 02:42:26] <nornagon> this doesn't seem to be a linux test so much as a 'memorise the miscellany of manpages of obscure software that nobody uses any more' test. >.>
[2007-05-06 02:42:30] <nornagon> oh, iptables
[2007-05-06 02:42:33] <nornagon> i should know that one
[2007-05-06 02:42:39] <nornagon> A?
[2007-05-06 02:42:45] <YeTr2> no, B
[2007-05-06 02:42:50] <nornagon> aw.
[2007-05-06 02:42:58] <YeTr2> Explanation: The SNAT option used in a POSTROUTING chain is used to specify that the
[2007-05-06 02:43:01] <YeTr2> source address of the packet should be modified. The 'SNAT --to -source 10.0.0.10' option
[2007-05-06 02:43:01] <nornagon> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE is what I use
[2007-05-06 02:43:04] <YeTr2> specifies that the source address of all outgoing packets will be changed to 10.0.0.10.
[2007-05-06 02:43:07] <YeTr2> Reference: http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/howto/maniptables.html
[2007-05-06 02:43:09] <YeTr2> Incorrect Answers
[2007-05-06 02:43:12] <YeTr2> A: MASQUERADE should only be used with dynamically assigned IP (dialup) connections: if
[2007-05-06 02:43:15] <YeTr2> you have a static IP address, you should use the SNAT option.
[2007-05-06 02:43:17] <YeTr2> C: SNAT can only be used in a POSTROUTING chain.
[2007-05-06 02:43:20] <YeTr2> D: MASQUERADE can only be used in a POSTROUTING chain.
[2007-05-06 02:44:02] <nornagon> anyway, time to run away and finish some more maths.
[2007-05-06 02:44:10] <nornagon> even though the pull of Death Note is great >.>
[2007-05-06 02:44:13] <YeTr2> would you like a copy of this? there is about 3000 questions worth having to do w/ linux
[2007-05-06 02:45:00] <YeTr2> Which file holds information about the I/O addresses in use?
[2007-05-06 02:45:15] <YeTr2> What is the IO Address of the second serial port
[2007-05-06 02:45:36] <YeTr2> The modem speed setting of _________ may be too high only if your computer doesn't have a 16550 UART
[2007-05-06 02:45:39] <YeTr2> chip.
[2007-05-06 02:45:41] <YeTr2> A. 115200
[2007-05-06 02:45:44] <YeTr2> B. 56700
[2007-05-06 02:45:46] <YeTr2> C. 38400
[2007-05-06 02:45:49] <YeTr2> D. 28800
[2007-05-06 02:46:08] <YeTr2> You wish to configure your soundcard. Type in the name of the Red Hat text/gui application that allows
[2007-05-06 02:46:11] <YeTr2> you to set/autodetect the sound card?
[2007-05-06 02:46:24] <YeTr2> this appears to be some redhat stuff
[2007-05-06 02:46:38] <bd_> pfft, on debian it's autoprobed >.>
[2007-05-06 02:48:00] <YeTr2> Which of the following modems cannot be used on linux systems
[2007-05-06 02:48:01] <YeTr2> A. ISDN TA
[2007-05-06 02:48:01] <YeTr2> B. Cable modems
[2007-05-06 02:48:01] <YeTr2> C. Analogue modems
[2007-05-06 02:48:01] <YeTr2> D. PCI modems
[2007-05-06 02:48:03] <YeTr2> E. Win modems
[2007-05-06 02:48:21] <YeTr2> I think this test is just a little bit out of date..
[2007-05-06 02:49:31] <bd_> How many filesystems does linux support:
[2007-05-06 02:49:36] <bd_> A. Five or less
[2007-05-06 02:49:39] <bd_> B. Over five
[2007-05-06 02:49:41] <bd_> C. Over ten
[2007-05-06 02:49:45] <bd_> D. Over twenty
[2007-05-06 02:49:48] <bd_> E. OVER NINE THOUSAND
[2007-05-06 02:50:00] <YeTr2> d
[2007-05-06 02:50:12] <bd_> I'm sorry, the answer was B, C, and D.
[2007-05-06 02:50:28] <YeTr2> you diddn't say it was multi select
[2007-05-06 02:50:36] <bd_> I didn't say is was single select either.
[2007-05-06 02:50:38] <bd_> it*
[2007-05-06 02:50:50] <YeTr2> thou D implies that B and C are also correct
[2007-05-06 02:51:16] <bd_> Indeed.
[2007-05-06 02:59:47] <nornagon> The Red Hat text/gui application that allows you to set/autodetect your sound card is Debian.
[2007-05-06 02:59:51] <bd_> kek
[2007-05-06 02:59:55] <Ami> Chatkill award.  bd_ gained 27 points.  He has killed chat 3799 times and has 73936 points.
[2007-05-06 03:01:08] <nornagon> anyway, these days isn't it all 'choose the *best* answer'?
[2007-05-06 03:01:22] <bd_> how boring.
[2007-05-06 03:01:54] <nornagon> no u
[2007-05-06 03:02:29] * nornagon tells mpd about the several thousand mod files that just appeared in ~/media/audio/music
[2007-05-06 03:21:53] <apollo> Whee.
[2007-05-06 03:21:55] <Ami> Good job.  You killed chat.  Nornagon gained 27 points.  He has killed chat 1750 times and has 34187 points.
[2007-05-06 03:21:56] <apollo> New blog post.
[2007-05-06 03:21:59] <apollo> It's a doosie.
[2007-05-06 03:22:25] <apollo> http://solisphoenix.wordpress.com/
[2007-05-06 03:22:38] <apollo> Mainly, my explanation of my political views.
[2007-05-06 03:23:23] <apollo> This still boggles my brain:
[2007-05-06 03:23:25] <apollo> I’d heard someone once say that they voted Republican “because I wanted my parents to continue to get government funding for their jobs.  The Democrats just waste money on social programs.”
[2007-05-06 03:25:25] <apollo> As usual, I feel my last paragraphs are the strongest, so if you do feel like reading some of it...
[2007-05-06 03:25:35] <apollo> That might be where you want to read.
[2007-05-06 03:25:48] <apollo> Most of the first part I'd already discussed in chat on multiple occasions anyway.
[2007-05-06 03:27:14] <apollo> But yeah, no one has to read anything... and you might not want to... as my argument is primarily based on religion.
[2007-05-06 03:27:38] <apollo> But I based my argument in religion to go against the similar reasoning that people used in voting for Bush.
[2007-05-06 03:29:19] <apollo> going to bed now.
[2007-05-06 03:29:39] * apollo falls down lifeless.
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[2007-05-06 04:34:44] <YeTr2> Welcome to the Internet. Where the Men are men, the Women are also men, and the kids are Federal Agents.
[2007-05-06 04:34:48] <Ami> You killed chat.  Apollo gained 26 points.  He has killed chat 9894 times and has 999414394 points.
[2007-05-06 05:38:51] <Possum> whee... little run-in w/ the cops
[2007-05-06 05:38:53] <Ami> You killed chat.  YeTr2 gained 26 points.  It has killed chat 311 times and has 7572 points.
[2007-05-06 06:13:00] <nornagon> eh?
[2007-05-06 06:15:14] <Possum> eh, it was all good... we split up, used diversion tactics... had a guy working an inside job also..
[2007-05-06 06:15:36] <Possum> Another guy keeping watch, a few of them having a "fight" down by the dock
[2007-05-06 06:16:09] <Possum> I and the other guy were the frontmen... we played it cool while the getaway car was getting ready
[2007-05-06 06:16:21] <Possum> anywho, I'm tired... night all
[2007-05-06 06:21:23] <nornagon> uh
[2007-05-06 06:21:25] <nornagon> what
[2007-05-06 06:33:02] <Possum> hms? 
[2007-05-06 06:33:04] <Possum> Oh
[2007-05-06 06:33:18] <Possum> By "I'm tired" I meant "I'm heading to bed now" 
[2007-05-06 06:33:38] <nornagon> no
[2007-05-06 06:33:39] <nornagon> i meant
[2007-05-06 06:33:52] <nornagon> wth did you have to execute those, uh, tactics for?
[2007-05-06 06:33:57] <nornagon> what were you doing?
[2007-05-06 06:34:00] <Possum> oh
[2007-05-06 06:34:06] <Possum> we were just drinking...
[2007-05-06 06:34:07] <nornagon> tell unca nornagon :3
[2007-05-06 06:34:27] <Possum> a couple of people in the group got loud and started fighting
[2007-05-06 06:34:46] <Possum> So of course the rest of us did _not_ want to be around them
[2007-05-06 06:37:24] <nornagon> ah
[2007-05-06 06:37:41] <nornagon> my group is happily lacking in fighting tendency, on the whole :)
[2007-05-06 06:40:04] <Possum> ah
[2007-05-06 06:40:14] <Possum> well it wasn't... "my group":P
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[2007-05-06 06:46:49] <nornagon> woah.
[2007-05-06 06:46:54] <nornagon> segfaulted irssi.
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[2007-05-06 06:50:15] =-= Mode #lobby +o nornagon by GreenSleeper
[2007-05-06 06:50:21] <nornagon> dear nornagon, please stop breaking irssi. love, #lobby
[2007-05-06 07:04:47] [ERROR] Closing Link: ihope[c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] (Ping timeout)
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[2007-05-06 07:05:05] =-= Topic for #lobby is ``[Topic (Was) Too Long Area] Arcsine will has been gone down for an undetermined amount of time on Friday, May 4 as Muffin moves to a new location, forsooth. | This just in: Olathe is a robot!... wait, who's Olathe?''
[2007-05-06 07:05:06] =-= Topic for #lobby was set by Ciaran on Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:58:17 PM
[2007-05-06 07:05:07] =-= YOU are now known as ihope
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[2007-05-06 07:36:16] <Ami> [Muffin] Computers are not intelligent.  They only think they are.
[2007-05-06 07:36:58] =-= Mode #lobby +o Muffin by Muffin
[2007-05-06 08:31:45] <fuzzie> oh, sine exists.
[2007-05-06 08:31:47] <Ami> The chat died.  Nornagon gained 25 points.  He has killed chat 1751 times and has 34212 points.
[2007-05-06 08:35:09] <kaelis> hi, fuzziiiie!
[2007-05-06 08:35:13] * kaelis HUGS
[2007-05-06 08:35:47] <fuzzie> hello kaelis
[2007-05-06 08:35:51] <fuzzie> you never reply on MSN and/or jabber :<
[2007-05-06 08:36:00] <kaelis> you've.. poked me on msn? :<
[2007-05-06 08:36:13] <fuzzie> ye
[2007-05-06 08:36:21] <fuzzie> it's okay though, Liam put up with my babbling that day
[2007-05-06 08:36:21] <kaelis> and, jabber, I've.. been on.. jabber? O-o
[2007-05-06 08:36:30] <kaelis> what happened? :<
[2007-05-06 08:36:34] * kaelis hugs the fuzzie!
[2007-05-06 08:36:44] <fuzzie> well, i'm moving, and teh internet gods don't love me very much
[2007-05-06 08:36:45] <kaelis> sorry for not responding, I've never seen you talk to me :<
[2007-05-06 08:36:53] <kaelis> ah, ok :<
[2007-05-06 08:36:56] * kaelis huggles tightly
[2007-05-06 08:36:57] <fuzzie> so i've just sort of being stealing people's machines and stuff
[2007-05-06 08:37:05] <kaelis> ah, ok =/
[2007-05-06 08:37:12] <kaelis> how's the move to .nl going?
[2007-05-06 08:37:20] <fuzzie> i moved aaaages ago, or something
[2007-05-06 08:37:25] <fuzzie> i'm moving again now, across town. :P
[2007-05-06 08:37:34] <kaelis> ah, ok XD
[2007-05-06 08:37:38] <kaelis> cool XD
[2007-05-06 08:37:46] <fuzzie> only this time the internet gods don't want to give me an activation date for DSL
[2007-05-06 08:38:18] <fuzzie> i have a nice "dear mevrouw milburn, here is how much monies you must be paying. love, isp" letter, but that is sadly it.
[2007-05-06 08:39:32] <fuzzie> actually, it gives me an estimate of 2 to 4 weeks for the activation, it seems.
[2007-05-06 08:39:45] <fuzzie> and it was sent on 23rd April, so maybe there's some hope.
[2007-05-06 08:40:28] <kaelis> :<
[2007-05-06 08:42:09] <fuzzie> so how is life in Perthish land?
[2007-05-06 08:42:27] <fuzzie> there was some nice television thing on .. discovery channel? .. here, telling me how all Perth residents are utterly doomed to run out of water.
[2007-05-06 08:42:49] <kaelis> perth is good, yeah =P
[2007-05-06 08:42:53] <kaelis> and, somewhat like that, yes
[2007-05-06 08:43:27] <fuzzie> so pls escape before you die of lack of water?
[2007-05-06 08:43:35] <fuzzie> we have lots of water here >.>
[2007-05-06 08:43:43] <kaelis> yesh =P
[2007-05-06 08:43:46] <fuzzie> although it hasn't rained since the 22nd March
[2007-05-06 08:43:49] <kaelis> XD
[2007-05-06 08:44:00] <kaelis> it rained, like, recently here =
[2007-05-06 08:44:02] <kaelis> *=P
[2007-05-06 08:44:03] <fuzzie> the news assures me that it will actually rain today.
[2007-05-06 08:44:21] <fuzzie> apparently it's the longest drought here in recorded history.
[2007-05-06 08:44:30] <kaelis> heh.
[2007-05-06 08:44:34] * kaelis giggles
[2007-05-06 08:44:46] <fuzzie> yes. :-)
[2007-05-06 08:45:50] <kaelis> that seems so.. silly XD
[2007-05-06 08:46:47] <fuzzie> Oh dear, silly UK people with cutesy USB modems have apparently been upgrading to Vista.
[2007-05-06 08:46:54] <kaelis> we've been having a /real/ drought
[2007-05-06 08:46:57] <kaelis> oh dear
[2007-05-06 08:47:06] <kaelis> i expect vista doesn't.. support that? =P
[2007-05-06 08:47:18] <fuzzie> well, the cutesy USB modem manufacturers don't support vista :)
[2007-05-06 08:47:19] <kaelis> wait, fuzzie i think you got that wrong.
[2007-05-06 08:47:26] <kaelis> *downgrading*
[2007-05-06 08:47:30] <kaelis> well, true =P
[2007-05-06 08:47:33] <fuzzie> But it's pretty!
[2007-05-06 08:47:48] <kaelis> since when does pretty matter =P
[2007-05-06 08:47:52] <fuzzie> I like pretty.
[2007-05-06 08:48:00] <kaelis> even with vista? =P
[2007-05-06 08:48:20] <fuzzie> well, i'm not mad enough to actually try using it, so the pretty is my total experience.
[2007-05-06 08:48:26] <kaelis> ah, ok =P
[2007-05-06 08:48:27] <fuzzie> i forgot which way my hair is meant to go.
[2007-05-06 08:48:42] <kaelis> =P
[2007-05-06 08:51:02] <fuzzie> it is a mess, i shouldn't let hairdressers persuade me on hairstyles
[2007-05-06 08:51:05] <Ami> Chatkill award.  Kaelis gained 25 points.  He has killed chat 2225 times and has 51818 points.
[2007-05-06 08:51:12] <kaelis> aww :<
[2007-05-06 08:51:18] <fuzzie> i need a "fuzzie doesn't have to care about it, ever" hairstyle. :P
[2007-05-06 08:51:27] <kaelis> XD
[2007-05-06 08:51:29] <kaelis> <3
[2007-05-06 08:51:36] <fuzzie> so, i should go find my C2 CD
[2007-05-06 08:51:49] <fuzzie> i was waiting for bertram to get back, but it turns out he won't be back for approximately forevereverever
[2007-05-06 08:53:28] <fuzzie> and of course he packed all my CDs/etc into boxes..
[2007-05-06 08:53:47] <kaelis> :<
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[2007-05-06 09:25:22] =-= Dylan[sleep] is now known as Dylan
[2007-05-06 09:28:31] <ihope> I want 1/0 to... have had an insulting sign.
[2007-05-06 09:28:50] <ihope> Not that there was any obvious way for them to get one.
[2007-05-06 09:30:16] <kaelis> =P
[2007-05-06 09:37:28] <ihope> Hmm. http://framed.comicgenesis.com/d/20001223.html
[2007-05-06 09:37:45] <ihope> Surely an insulting sign would use a camera, not a microphone.
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[2007-05-06 09:48:52] <ihope> So it's Richard Nixon and a potato.
[2007-05-06 10:03:51] <kyevan> DAMNIT, JIM! I'm a doctor, not a prostitute!
[2007-05-06 10:05:10] <kaelis> O_o
[2007-05-06 10:05:19] <DrFuzz> kyevan: you sure...?
[2007-05-06 10:35:08] <ihope> Hmm. A sign drinking beer.
[2007-05-06 10:35:12] <Ami> Chatdeath.  Madelon gained 25 points.  She has killed chat 209 times and has 5184 points.
[2007-05-06 10:41:30] <ihope> "LET DICK RUN YOUR LIFE! VOTE TODAY!"
[2007-05-06 10:41:38] <ihope> "??? Why did I just say that?"
[2007-05-06 10:42:35] =-= DrFuzz is now known as Mad[away]
[2007-05-06 10:47:25] <ihope> http://framed.comicgenesis.com/d/20010119.html <- oh my.
[2007-05-06 10:53:31] <Dylan> anyone interested in using my haver client: scheme or lua?
[2007-05-06 10:55:07] <fuzzie> for scripting?
[2007-05-06 10:57:46] * Mad[away] drums fingers.
[2007-05-06 10:57:49] <Mad[away]> Where is that bastard?
[2007-05-06 11:03:59] <vadim> LOL: http://texyt.com/3Ms+Sticky+Bear+is+VERY+Pleased+to+See+You
[2007-05-06 11:07:22] <Mad[away]> They're great ^^
[2007-05-06 11:26:45] <Dylan> fuzzie: yes
[2007-05-06 11:37:10] <ihope> Scripting?
[2007-05-06 11:37:19] <ihope> Haskell!
[2007-05-06 11:38:48] <vadim> whoo. My picture is still on wikipedia
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[2007-05-06 11:58:34] <Dylan> vadim: which picture?
[2007-05-06 12:18:50] <kyevan> Dylan: Well, hmmm
[2007-05-06 12:19:07] <kyevan> Scheme vs. Lua... it is a tricky choice. All depends on what you want to do, I guess.
[2007-05-06 12:21:02] <kyevan> Lua is probably more like what many people are used to, though
[2007-05-06 12:21:15] <kyevan> And I think you can fake functional in it quite nicely.
[2007-05-06 12:23:43] <kyevan> (compaired to faking other things in Scheme, that is)
[2007-05-06 12:42:10] * ihope ponders
[2007-05-06 12:42:24] <ihope> Hadamard the first qubit, CNOT it into the second, Hadamard the first again...
[2007-05-06 12:42:55] <ihope> (Starting with both set to zero.)
[2007-05-06 12:43:17] <ihope> Then observe the first. If the second has been destroyed, you'll get 0 for sure. If it's been observed, 50% chance of 0 and 50% chance of 1.
[2007-05-06 13:00:38] <kyevan> Did you know you can do anything with just nands?
[2007-05-06 13:03:25] <kyevan> For example, if you do (using nand(first input,second input) notation) nand(a,a) you have not
[2007-05-06 13:13:31] <Dylan> lua has tail calls
[2007-05-06 13:13:46] <Dylan> yep
[2007-05-06 13:13:54] <Dylan> all logic gates can be built from NAND.
[2007-05-06 13:22:10] <Dylan> where is everyone?
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[2007-05-06 13:23:27] <Ami> [Sgeo] Some guy from some place who likes googling himself.
[2007-05-06 13:23:38] * Sgeo has a friend in the L.I. Marathon
[2007-05-06 13:24:57] =-= Mad[away] is now known as DrFuzz
[2007-05-06 13:53:10] <ihope> "What's our plot line?"
[2007-05-06 13:53:33] <ihope> http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=491
[2007-05-06 13:53:36] <ihope> Quite the question to ask.
[2007-05-06 13:54:27] <ihope> kyevan: you can perform logic, indeed. But NAND isn't Turing-complete by... many means.
[2007-05-06 13:54:45] <ihope> I prefer doing everything with S and K.
[2007-05-06 13:55:04] <ihope> And Y, if you want to go that route.
[2007-05-06 13:55:20] <ihope> And, if you're trying to express proofs as programs, C and V.
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[2007-05-06 13:55:25] =-= Mode #lobby +o Helephant by Ami
[2007-05-06 13:55:27] <Ami> [Helephant] Innocence and light.
[2007-05-06 13:55:31] <Helephant> Hello :)
[2007-05-06 13:55:44] <ihope> Hmm. Is there any special reason you got opped, or...
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[2007-05-06 13:55:47] =-= Topic for #lobby is ``[Topic (Was) Too Long Area] Arcsine will has been gone down for an undetermined amount of time on Friday, May 4 as Muffin moves to a new location, forsooth. | This just in: Olathe is a robot!... wait, who's Olathe?''
[2007-05-06 13:55:47] =-= Topic for #lobby was set by Ciaran on Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:58:17 PM
[2007-05-06 13:56:03] <ihope> Yup, seems so, unless there's a random delay.
[2007-05-06 13:56:21] <ihope> I DEMAND to know your secrets!
[2007-05-06 13:56:29] <Helephant> me?
[2007-05-06 13:56:37] <ihope> =-= Mode #lobby +o Helephant by Ami
[2007-05-06 13:56:50] <Helephant> Afty thinks I'm harmless?
[2007-05-06 13:56:54] <ihope> Oh.
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[2007-05-06 13:57:22] <HarmlessPerson> Look at me! I'm harmless!
[2007-05-06 13:57:29] <Helephant> I don't really know to be honest. He never talked to me about it
[2007-05-06 13:57:35] <HarmlessPerson> ...Darn.
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[2007-05-06 13:57:45] <Helephant> :)
[2007-05-06 13:57:49] <ihope> :-) indeed.
[2007-05-06 13:57:52] <Helephant> oh wait! You're not harmless anymore
[2007-05-06 13:57:54] <ihope> Or :), if you want to go that route.
[2007-05-06 13:57:56] <ihope> Uh oh.
[2007-05-06 13:58:04] <ihope> But at least I'm not HarmfulPerson!
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[2007-05-06 13:58:16] <Helephant> hehe. True. 
[2007-05-06 13:58:21] <ihope> Does that mean I get +h?
[2007-05-06 13:58:36] <kyevan> ihope: Given enough nands, you probably could build something turing-complete.
[2007-05-06 13:58:50] <kyevan> But it would be a /lot/ of nands. An infinate number, actually.
[2007-05-06 13:58:53] <ihope> Yup.
[2007-05-06 13:59:10] <ihope> And how are you going to express that infinite number of them?
[2007-05-06 13:59:35] <ihope> One could say infinite strings are already Turing-complete, since every computable infinite string is an infinite string.
[2007-05-06 13:59:43] <ihope> Everything computable, rather.
[2007-05-06 14:00:01] <kyevan> I imagine that most of them (... argh, head hurts!) would be in a repeted pattern.
[2007-05-06 14:00:22] <ihope> What's the basic syntax? NN01N11 and such?
[2007-05-06 14:00:30] <bd_> Most infinite strings are not in a repeating pattern.
[2007-05-06 14:00:37] <ihope> N01 = 1, N11 = 0, N10 = 1.
[2007-05-06 14:00:43] <bd_> After all, we can consider a string to be the decimal expansion of a real number
[2007-05-06 14:00:53] <kyevan> bd_: I mean, most nands if you did the nand thing
[2007-05-06 14:00:53] <bd_> If there's a repeating segment, we have a rational
[2007-05-06 14:00:56] <ihope> bd_: but are repeating ones all we need for Turing-completeness?
[2007-05-06 14:01:03] <bd_> ic
[2007-05-06 14:01:08] <Sgeo> hmm
[2007-05-06 14:01:12] <Sgeo> Is the marathon over?
[2007-05-06 14:01:15] <ihope> Anyway, I guess we could extend this with parentheses. N(N0)1N11
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[2007-05-06 14:01:36] <ihope> N00 = 1, N01 = 1. N0 is constant 0, then.
[2007-05-06 14:01:37] * kyevan groans
[2007-05-06 14:01:43] <kyevan> WHY did I look this song up?
[2007-05-06 14:02:10] <kyevan> if 0 = 1, then 30823526837260934857 = 24264326
[2007-05-06 14:02:25] * kyevan is listening to "I Will Survive"
[2007-05-06 14:02:42] <ihope> Constant 1, rather.
[2007-05-06 14:02:50] <ihope> And we can turn the (N0) into N0(N0) to produce NN0(N0)1N11, and N0 is constant 1, so N1N11.
[2007-05-06 14:02:56] <ihope> N11 is 0, N10 is 1.
[2007-05-06 14:06:39] <ihope> I'd still rather just go with S, K and sometimes Y.
[2007-05-06 14:07:34] * DrFuzz is listening to Nightmare before Christmas OST - Sally's song
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[2007-05-06 14:07:35] <bd_> What you're making isn't turing complete
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[2007-05-06 14:07:45] <bd_> as you cannot build a turing machine with that syntax
[2007-05-06 14:07:53] <ihope> Mmh.
[2007-05-06 14:08:00] <bd_> This can be trivially proven; your network will always halt.
[2007-05-06 14:08:09] <bd_> Therefore, it is not turing complete.
[2007-05-06 14:09:48] <Sgeo> bd_, hm?
[2007-05-06 14:09:50] <Sgeo> what's going on?
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[2007-05-06 14:11:53] <bd_> Sgeo: ihope and kyevan were trying to build a turing machine out of an acyclic tree of NAND gates.
[2007-05-06 14:12:05] <Sgeo> "acyclic tree"?
[2007-05-06 14:12:07] <ihope> Acyclic?
[2007-05-06 14:12:38] <bd_> The output of a nand never loops back on itself, which is the problem in a nutshell
[2007-05-06 14:12:53] <bd_> Since it doesn't, I can solve any such network in finite time
[2007-05-06 14:12:56] <Sgeo> What's an acyclic tree?
[2007-05-06 14:13:11] <bd_> Well, all trees are acyclic really, I was using it for emphasis
[2007-05-06 14:13:39] <bd_> an acyclic graph is a graph in which you cannot start at some vertex, follow some edges, and end up where you started
[2007-05-06 14:14:10] <bd_> I'm not sure if it's meaningful in an undirected graph (in which case the restriction that you can't take the same edge twice would need to be added)
[2007-05-06 14:14:28] <ihope> If you add that restriction, then it's meaningful, surely.
[2007-05-06 14:14:55] <ihope> I wonder if a computing system could be built out of that...
[2007-05-06 14:15:09] <ihope> Just like Sokoban computers and sliding block computers.
[2007-05-06 14:15:29] <bd_> Not out of an acyclic graph, again because it can be shown to halt in finite.
[2007-05-06 14:15:31] <bd_> time
[2007-05-06 14:15:43] <ihope> Well, maybe you could let them be infinite.
[2007-05-06 14:15:54] <ihope> Pseudo-Euler-cycle computers?
[2007-05-06 14:16:17] <ihope> Circuit, rather.
[2007-05-06 14:16:26] <bd_> Euler-circuit?
[2007-05-06 14:16:30] <ihope> Pseudo-Eulerian-circuit computers.
[2007-05-06 14:16:34] [INFO] There is nothing to tab-complete. Use F6 to cycle through the user list, input box and the chat output.
[2007-05-06 14:16:34] [INFO] There is nothing to tab-complete. Use F6 to cycle through the user list, input box and the chat output.
[2007-05-06 14:17:00] <bd_> .. what do you mean by that?
[2007-05-06 14:17:28] <ihope> The end result is either "yes" or "no" based on whether you can go from a point to the point, not taking any edge twice.
[2007-05-06 14:17:38] <ihope> And moving at least once, of course.
[2007-05-06 14:17:48] <ihope> Or just going from a point to another point; that's more general.
[2007-05-06 14:17:54] <bd_> ic
[2007-05-06 14:17:59] <ihope> At least, I think it is...
[2007-05-06 14:18:03] <bd_> I'm not sure if you can encode a turing machine into that
[2007-05-06 14:18:25] <ihope> Well, if you can build logic gates... well, isn't it possible to build Turing machines out of infinite numbers of logic gate thingies?
[2007-05-06 14:18:27] <bd_> Can you do so?
[2007-05-06 14:18:38] <ihope> Can you do what?
[2007-05-06 14:18:40] <bd_> Sure, but you need a cycle, not just finding paths in a graph of them.
[2007-05-06 14:19:11] <bd_> ihope: Encode a turing machine into the existence or nonexistence of euler cycles in a graph... which I think is too static to work.
[2007-05-06 14:19:41] <ihope> Not necessarily a true Eulerian circuit; you don't need to take every edge.
[2007-05-06 14:20:15] <bd_> then it's just finding a cycle, right?
[2007-05-06 14:20:24] <ihope> I guess, yes.
[2007-05-06 14:20:26] <bd_> How would this be made into a turing machine emulator?
[2007-05-06 14:20:57] <ihope> See if you can make logic gates, I guess.
[2007-05-06 14:21:10] <ihope> Your basic elements are edges and vertices, and you have to build more complex things out of those.
[2007-05-06 14:21:18] <bd_> Well, if you're just looking for graph circuits, the gates are irrelevant
[2007-05-06 14:21:27] <ihope> Gates are irrelevant?
[2007-05-06 14:21:33] <bd_> and you still need a way for it to not halt :)
[2007-05-06 14:21:45] <ihope> Non-halting = no cycle?
[2007-05-06 14:21:53] <bd_> ihope: No, that halts.
[2007-05-06 14:22:07] <ihope> That halts?
[2007-05-06 14:22:11] <ihope> Even with infinite graphs?
[2007-05-06 14:22:16] <bd_> Unless you have an infinite graph, but then you have an infinitely long program, which is cheating.
[2007-05-06 14:22:30] <ihope> If infinite graphs are cheating, then it's certainly not Turing-complete.
[2007-05-06 14:22:41] <ihope> Unless "finite graph" allows infinite edges.
[2007-05-06 14:22:48] <bd_> After all, you need another program, in another machine, to generate the infinite graph!
[2007-05-06 14:22:55] <bd_> Otherwise a turing machine can't emulate /it/
[2007-05-06 14:22:58] <ihope> Indeed.
[2007-05-06 14:23:00] <bd_> thus, it's not turing complete :)
[2007-05-06 14:23:14] <ihope> Well, naturally, you could put some restrictions on it.
[2007-05-06 14:24:22] <bd_> Not really; we still need to be able to state the program (ie, the turing machine emulator) in finite space
[2007-05-06 14:24:33] <bd_> and to be able to emulate it generally with some program on another turing machine
[2007-05-06 14:24:43] <bd_> Which is allowed only a graph description as input, right? :)
[2007-05-06 14:24:52] <bd_> Which probably needs to be finite, or it'll /never/ halt.
[2007-05-06 14:26:20] <ihope> Lemme draw up a hack in Paint.
[2007-05-06 14:29:48] <ihope> You get to define the red element and the green element, and which ways their edges stick out. Then it's connected like this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=54kkqiu
[2007-05-06 14:30:09] <ihope> The red elements go on infinitely in both directions.
[2007-05-06 14:30:10] <kyevan> bd_: If you want to do it in a finite space, it needs to be able to modify itself, I think
[2007-05-06 14:30:21] <Sgeo> Do there exist physical processes that can't be simulated in a turing machine?
[2007-05-06 14:30:21] <ihope> Ooh, self-modification!
[2007-05-06 14:30:27] <ihope> Sgeo: maybe.
[2007-05-06 14:30:39] <Sgeo> Such-as?
[2007-05-06 14:30:57] <ihope> That's implied by the falsehood of the Church-Turing thesis.
[2007-05-06 14:31:05] <ihope> If the Church-Turing thesis is true, then maybe.
[2007-05-06 14:31:42] <bd_> ihope: Write a program to execute this, and write a program to transform the specification of any turing machine into a specification in your graph language in finite time.
[2007-05-06 14:31:54] <bd_> Then I'll believe it's turing complete )
[2007-05-06 14:31:55] <bd_> :)*
[2007-05-06 14:32:06] <ihope> bd_: can you prove it isn't?
[2007-05-06 14:32:56] <bd_> No, your specification isn't clear enough. >.>
[2007-05-06 14:33:04] <kyevan> Sgeo: Possibly on the quantum level, where things kinda get non-deterministic, as far as we can tell.
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[2007-05-06 14:35:43] <ihope> The many-worlds interpretation is deterministic, as far as I can see.
[2007-05-06 14:35:47] <Ami> You killed chat.  Kyevan gained 24 points.  Ey has killed chat 716 times and has 18051 points.
[2007-05-06 14:36:53] <ihope> According to it, observation is just letting a quantum state get entangled with the rest of the universe.
[2007-05-06 14:40:27] <bd_> afk for a bit
[2007-05-06 14:40:29] <Ami> The chat is dead.  ihope gained 24 points.  He has killed chat 442 times and has 11594 points.
[2007-05-06 14:40:56] <ihope> Do these chatkill notification thingies actually serve any purpose?
[2007-05-06 14:41:10] <ihope> I guess they let a person know how long a person's been around.
[2007-05-06 14:41:14] <kyevan> aNot really, I don't think
[2007-05-06 14:41:42] <GreenReaper> You killed Dylan. Well done. kyevan gained 24 points. He has killed Dylan 2 times and has 52 points.
[2007-05-06 14:42:00] <ihope> Meaning either I've been around over half as long as you have or you recently switched somehow. Or I'm more active.
[2007-05-06 14:42:02] <YeTr2> wtf are my teachers doing... graduation is tomorrow and I still havn't recieved my grades for two classes which will tell me if I got my grades.
[2007-05-06 14:42:19] <ihope> YeTr2: which will tell you if you got your grades?
[2007-05-06 14:43:16] <YeTr2> last class was thrusday..
[2007-05-06 14:43:55] <YeTr2> my other two classes already have their grades submitted..
[2007-05-06 14:44:04] <ihope> What do you mean, if you got your grades?
[2007-05-06 14:44:14] <ihope> Generally, people get grades in classes...
[2007-05-06 14:44:23] <ihope> Oh, and http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=535
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[2007-05-06 15:31:33] <Sgeo> What's Graal Online?
[2007-05-06 15:31:42] <ihope> Suddenly, I feel that robots are more like us than we think.
[2007-05-06 15:32:07] <ihope> "We cannot tell if a certain neuron has fired", they say. Nor can a robot necessarily tell if a certain instruction has been executed.
[2007-05-06 15:32:19] <Sgeo> hm?
[2007-05-06 15:32:52] <ihope> Well, that "we cannot tell if a certain neuron has fired" is... um, well, it's probably arguing for something.
[2007-05-06 15:33:31] <ihope> It's taking note of the fact that we can't figure out everything about our brains simply by thinking with them.
[2007-05-06 15:34:13] <ihope> They say that a computer can analyze its own memory and such. But nowadays, the computer isn't really the active element, is it? It's the process.
[2007-05-06 15:34:33] <ihope> And processes certainly can't tell everything about the computer simply by executing instructions.
[2007-05-06 15:34:51] <ihope> "Hey kernel, how many system calls has this other process sent so far?"
[2007-05-06 15:35:00] <ihope> It can be impossible to tell.
[2007-05-06 15:36:23] <GreenReaper> Unless you started in debug mode.
[2007-05-06 15:37:12] <Aftran> Which...   wraps it up in another formal system, doesn't it.  And even though we can't tell what neurons have fired, maybe we can find out how another person's brain works simply by watching it.
[2007-05-06 15:37:38] <ihope> Unless you started in debug mode...
[2007-05-06 15:37:49] <ihope> Would that log all instructions executed?
[2007-05-06 15:37:55] <ihope> That wouldn
[2007-05-06 15:38:03] <ihope> 't include the instructions executed by the debugger.
[2007-05-06 15:38:32] <ihope> If you use a tool to analyze your brain, then you can no longer tell everything about the tool.
[2007-05-06 15:38:58] <ihope> It's trying to know something, and know that you know it, and know that you know that you know it, and know that you know that you know that you know it...
[2007-05-06 15:39:23] <ihope> Like that, until you decide to generate knowledge on the fly.
[2007-05-06 15:39:52] <ihope> Like quines do. That's generally how they output their source code.
[2007-05-06 15:40:59] <ihope> They "know" their own workings, and they know that they know that. This gives them enough information to figure themselves out.
[2007-05-06 15:45:26] <ihope> So yes, it's possible to know oneself.
[2007-05-06 15:46:18] <Aftran> If you're a quine?  :P
[2007-05-06 15:46:51] <Aftran> Anyway, could I interest you in coming up with a way for language to work in Lifandi?
[2007-05-06 15:47:01] <Aftran> Something that's kind of recursive (the "most important" property of our language)...
[2007-05-06 15:47:16] =-= Mode #lobby +oooo Sgeo ihope chaper Ciaran by Aftran
[2007-05-06 15:49:09] <ihope> What meanings do you want to express?
[2007-05-06 15:49:10] <kaelis> wheee
[2007-05-06 15:49:28] <ihope> Give them ways to describe everything they can experience.
[2007-05-06 15:49:39] <ihope> Or give them a way to figure out how to describe everything they can experience.
[2007-05-06 15:50:03] <ihope> That's what words are for, after all. "Glarthin" isn't a word because we never experience glarthins.
[2007-05-06 15:51:04] <ihope> So find some way to figure out what an experience is, and then have them automatically assign a word to every experience.
[2007-05-06 15:51:36] <ihope> The words that correspond to common experiences end up occuring often, so others begin to associate the words with the experiences.
[2007-05-06 15:52:19] <ihope> The words that correspond to rare experiences don't occur often, so others don't associate the words with the experiences, so the experiences must be described using combinations of words.
[2007-05-06 15:53:27] <ihope> If your creatures have memories, you could have every memory be considered an experience.
[2007-05-06 15:56:48] <ihope> Similar memories are associated with each other, so a word gets associated--though weakly--with memories that are close to its meaning rather than exact matches.
[2007-05-06 15:57:33] <ihope> Maybe you could divide words into two types: those that correspond to memories and those that correspond to elements.
[2007-05-06 15:57:39] <ihope> An element is any similarity between memories.
[2007-05-06 15:58:07] <ihope> If a creature wants to express a memory that it knows the others don't know the words for, it expresses it using elements instead.
[2007-05-06 15:58:32] === s/words/word/ Unknown command
[2007-05-06 15:58:34] <ihope> s/words/word/
[2007-05-06 15:58:43] <ihope> And if it wants to express an element that it knows the others don't know the word for, it expresses it using memories instead.
[2007-05-06 15:58:57] <ihope> Maybe it uses both the unknown word and the description.
[2007-05-06 16:00:20] <ihope> So if a creature wants to express its memory of an apple riding a horse but it knows the other creatures don't know the appropriate words, it might say something like "foobar (apple ride horse)".
[2007-05-06 16:01:02] <ihope> Or, if it feels there's no point in saying the word for it, it might just say "apple ride horse".
[2007-05-06 16:01:16] <ihope> Which naturally is the more common possibility.
[2007-05-06 16:01:48] <ihope> And since there's really no distinction between "apple ride horse" and "horse ride apple" here--order doesn't matter--inflections may arise
[2007-05-06 16:02:19] <ihope> So it may say something like "apple-do ride horse" to indicate that it's the apple that's riding, not the horse.
[2007-05-06 16:03:01] <ihope> And if a creature sees things like apple, apple-do, horse, horse-do, and tree, it might assume that tree-do is also a word.
[2007-05-06 16:03:19] <ihope> This requires the creature to recognize analogies.
[2007-05-06 16:03:45] <ihope> (Sudden aside: yes. Quines know themselves.)
[2007-05-06 16:05:32] <ihope> Creatures probably wouldn't say ride-do because the "subject vs. object" analogy simply doesn't apply with riding as the subject.
[2007-05-06 16:06:32] <ihope> So given somethign like "apple is to apple-do as ride is to what?", the creature must figure out whether that analogy even makes sense.
[2007-05-06 16:07:03] <ihope> If it does make sense, it must then figure out what "what" is.
[2007-05-06 16:09:37] <ihope> The creature must, that is.
[2007-05-06 16:10:04] <ihope> Aftran: you know, you're transient.
[2007-05-06 16:13:00] <ihope> Aftran: maybe I'll just annoy you by pretending everything's to you, eh? :-P
[2007-05-06 16:13:03] <ihope> Aftran: http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=631
[2007-05-06 16:13:28] <ihope> Then again, all that was at you, so maybe I should in fact do that in order to make up for it.
[2007-05-06 16:15:18] <ihope> Or maybe I should get out of the spotlight, having been in it for almost two pages now. Then again, nobody else seems wanting.
[2007-05-06 16:17:33] <ihope> How about I talk about weird math things?
[2007-05-06 16:18:18] <ihope> Let's call &#952; the order type of the reals.
[2007-05-06 16:18:59] <ihope> And 1 the order type of {0}.
[2007-05-06 16:19:30] <ihope> So we'll assume arbitrarily that 1 + &#952; + 1 is the order type of time.
[2007-05-06 16:19:42] <ihope> There's a beginning and an end, and there stuff in between.
[2007-05-06 16:19:50] <ihope> There's nothing before the beginning, and nothing after the end.
[2007-05-06 16:20:05] <ihope> Actually, that was pretty boring.
[2007-05-06 16:20:22] <ihope> So I'll go back to talking about generated language.
[2007-05-06 16:20:35] <ihope> Naturally, you might want some things to be based on position rather than on inflection.
[2007-05-06 16:21:39] <ihope> There's a limited amount of "position rather than inflection" stuff in that you have parentheses. If foo denotes a memory word and bar denotes an element word, you have stuff like foo foo bar bar bar foo bar bar.
[2007-05-06 16:22:32] <ihope> Actually, let's swap that. Foo is an element and bar is a memory.
[2007-05-06 16:23:05] <ihope> Every "sentence" denotes a memory, so this memory has elements which correspond to the first two words.
[2007-05-06 16:23:43] <ihope> The next three words are memory words. Since this is "supposed to be" a list of elements, they must be memories forming an element.
[2007-05-06 16:23:59] <ihope> Then another element word, then two more memory words which form an element.
[2007-05-06 16:24:26] <ihope> Now, what if you want "bar bar bar" to be two separate elements, the first described by the initial "bar bar" and the second describes by the final "bar"?
[2007-05-06 16:24:47] <ihope> Eh, commas would work pretty well in this case. You'd say "bar bar, bar".
[2007-05-06 16:25:23] * kyevan thinks
[2007-05-06 16:25:34] <ihope> So that would break the list of elements into two lists of elements. If you want to break the outer list as well, you'd make it "bar bar,, bar".
[2007-05-06 16:25:43] <kyevan> Never name a child Chelsea, if you live in a comic.
[2007-05-06 16:25:54] <ihope> Why?
[2007-05-06 16:27:09] <ihope> (Two and a half pages. I must be a skilled... um, lemme look up the spellings.)
[2007-05-06 16:27:34] <ihope> (Monologuer.)
[2007-05-06 16:30:53] <ihope> Now, for positionals... I guess you could simply make a word associate with the word after it.
[2007-05-06 16:31:58] <ihope> There, simple. Now go forth and implement!
[2007-05-06 16:38:38] <kyevan> http://clanofthecats.com/d/20020422.html
[2007-05-06 16:39:00] <kyevan> Law number one of dimentional bounceing - you ALWAYS land in Metropolis eventually
[2007-05-06 16:40:54] <kyevan> I'm bored. Give me something cool to do.
[2007-05-06 16:45:18] <ihope> kyevan: give me input on my language ideas?
[2007-05-06 16:45:25] <ihope> Start a webcomic?
[2007-05-06 16:45:36] <ihope> Write a theorem prover?
[2007-05-06 16:45:48] <ihope> A first-order logic theorem prover, that is.
[2007-05-06 16:49:48] <ihope> You know, "tubes" in Star Wars a.k.a. MirekGro are pretty durable.
[2007-05-06 16:49:53] <ihope> They can only be destroyed at the ends.
[2007-05-06 16:51:56] <bd_> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2007-05-04T200126Z_01_N04327768_RTRUKOC_0_US-CAT.xml
[2007-05-06 16:54:29] <kyevan> http://clanofthecats.com/d/20020530.html Law Number Two of Dimentional Bounceing: Gav. 'Nough said.
[2007-05-06 16:54:43] -->| pantero (pantero@RN136-238.rose.net) has joined #lobby
[2007-05-06 16:54:44] <pantero>  Syrra
[2007-05-06 16:54:46] <pantero> er
[2007-05-06 16:54:48] =-= pantero is now known as Syrra
[2007-05-06 16:55:17] <Syrra> I have the wireless internets now :D
[2007-05-06 16:57:03] -->| apollo (Chris@24-183-227-60.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) has joined #lobby
[2007-05-06 16:57:08] <Ami> [apollo] "I'm not bald!  I've just got fine feathers, that's all!"
[2007-05-06 16:57:09] <apollo> Hey, guys.
[2007-05-06 16:57:12] <apollo> (and girls)
[2007-05-06 16:57:29] <Syrra> yay apollo
[2007-05-06 16:57:31] <apollo> Argh! Me pirates account be deleted soon.
[2007-05-06 16:57:44] <Syrra> I have wireless internets right now :)
[2007-05-06 16:58:07] <YeTr2> ...
[2007-05-06 16:58:10] <Syrra> I remember you had the pokemans?
[2007-05-06 16:58:17] <YeTr2> I want my damned grade! >.<
[2007-05-06 16:58:33] <apollo> Syrra: Cool!
[2007-05-06 16:58:39] <apollo> Sure.
[2007-05-06 16:59:01] <apollo> My code is 1590 1192 3592
[2007-05-06 16:59:09] <Syrra> mine is erm
[2007-05-06 16:59:13] <Syrra> I wrote it down somewhere
[2007-05-06 16:59:33] <Syrra> 1590 1295 8986
[2007-05-06 17:00:44] <apollo> Cool.
[2007-05-06 17:03:16] <Syrra> :)
[2007-05-06 17:03:50] <Dylan> TJ says: hi
[2007-05-06 17:04:06] <Syrra> Hi TJ :D
[2007-05-06 17:04:08] <Dylan> (he typed that, with me showing him what to type :)
[2007-05-06 17:04:29] <Syrra> I also have an Animal Crossing code too
[2007-05-06 17:04:38] <Syrra> You and Spoony have AC right, Dylan
[2007-05-06 17:04:39] <Dylan> cool
[2007-05-06 17:04:45] <Syrra> ?
[2007-05-06 17:05:02] <Dylan> ywa
[2007-05-06 17:05:05] <Dylan> *yes
[2007-05-06 17:05:06] <YeTr2> 073113076245
[2007-05-06 17:05:09] =-= Mode #lobby +oo apollo Syrra by Dylan
[2007-05-06 17:05:22] <Dylan> YeTr2: that's what TJ keeps trying to type.
[2007-05-06 17:05:26] <Syrra> I'm 412410633592
[2007-05-06 17:05:34] -->| scorp[food] (scorpkitty@82.16.89.223) has joined #lobby
[2007-05-06 17:05:36] <Ami> [scorp[food]] head splodey
[2007-05-06 17:05:39] <YeTr2> eh?
[2007-05-06 17:05:59] <Dylan> oh, YeTr2 wasn't typing random numbers
[2007-05-06 17:06:02] <Dylan> XD
[2007-05-06 17:06:23] =-= scorp[food] is now known as scorp
[2007-05-06 17:07:12] <Syrra> wait, who's numbers are those for?
[2007-05-06 17:07:13] <apollo> YeTr2's ACWW friend code?
[2007-05-06 17:07:14] <Syrra> hi scorp!
[2007-05-06 17:07:24] <apollo> Or Dylan's?
[2007-05-06 17:07:26] <YeTr2> 0731 1307 pkmn diamond 6245
[2007-05-06 17:07:28] <YeTr2> gah
[2007-05-06 17:07:33] <YeTr2> pkmon diamond
[2007-05-06 17:07:43] <Syrra> ah
[2007-05-06 17:07:51] <Syrra> I've got Pearl
[2007-05-06 17:07:52] <apollo> cool.  I'll add you then.
[2007-05-06 17:08:05] <YeTr2> I don't think I would doo too well in animal crossing.. the whole traveling to other towns and stuff
[2007-05-06 17:08:58] <apollo> Yay! 3 Pokemon friends now.
[2007-05-06 17:09:28] <Syrra> I'm horrible ^_^
[2007-05-06 17:09:33] <Dylan> YeTr2: it's fun to abuse the townspeople
[2007-05-06 17:09:45] <Dylan> Syrra: I haven't weeded my town in ages.
[2007-05-06 17:10:05] <Syrra> I haven't even turned it on for a couple weeks
[2007-05-06 17:10:26] <Syrra> I also have meteos, but I don't remember if that has online multiplayer or not
[2007-05-06 17:10:41] <Syrra> also, I'm a scribbler
[2007-05-06 17:10:43] <YeTr2> I choose you pikahulkamon!
[2007-05-06 17:11:50] <Syrra> I need an abra :/
[2007-05-06 17:12:05] <Syrra> I'm too lazy to catch one myself
[2007-05-06 17:12:54] <YeTr2> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php
[2007-05-06 17:13:01] <YeTr2> I have one... I traded for it
[2007-05-06 17:13:24] * kyevan is listening to: Warren Zevon - Lawyers, Guns and Money on "Excitable Boy" [0:25/3:29]
[2007-05-06 17:15:10] <apollo> Syrra: There is an in-game trade.
[2007-05-06 17:15:41] <apollo> There's also an in-game trade for a haunter but the stupid girl gives it an everstone. :<
[2007-05-06 17:16:37] <kyevan> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/717262/posts <- Poor kitty.
[2007-05-06 17:17:02] <kyevan> Also, tracking down 5-year-old news on the internet can be a pain in the ass.
[2007-05-06 17:17:24] <apollo> Use archive.org and go to 5 years ago?
[2007-05-06 17:18:10] <Dylan> Syrra: 3050 3650 0916
[2007-05-06 17:18:22] <Dylan> that's me, dylan in seminull. :)
[2007-05-06 17:18:58] <kyevan> apollo: Archive.org only helps if you know the URL you're looking for
[2007-05-06 17:19:13] <apollo> Well, you can start at one site and go from there?
[2007-05-06 17:19:52] <YeTr2> "speed is a ninja's best weapon".... crack head
[2007-05-06 17:20:56] <kyevan> You're a ninja! Dodge, don't block!
[2007-05-06 17:21:32] <Syrra> Dylan: Did you get mine? I'm in Sirius, btw
[2007-05-06 17:21:38] <Syrra> You know, dog star
[2007-05-06 17:21:57] <Syrra> I figured it was appropriate
[2007-05-06 17:22:00] <YeTr2> I need more pp ups for my mouser
[2007-05-06 17:22:08] <Dylan> Syrra: nop
[2007-05-06 17:22:16] <Syrra> erm
[2007-05-06 17:22:37] <Syrra> I think its 412410630466
[2007-05-06 17:22:49] <Syrra> I've got like ten codes scribbled on the back of this receipt now XD
[2007-05-06 17:23:25] <Syrra> 412410633592
[2007-05-06 17:23:31] <Syrra> er
[2007-05-06 17:23:32] <Syrra> crap
[2007-05-06 17:23:38] <Syrra> I dunno :P
[2007-05-06 17:23:41] <kyevan> I don't have D/P... And even if we did, I couldn't use it online
[2007-05-06 17:23:52] <apollo> :<<
[2007-05-06 17:23:58] <Syrra> :(
[2007-05-06 17:24:00] <kyevan> Well, not from home
[2007-05-06 17:24:06] <Syrra> Whynot?
[2007-05-06 17:24:07] * apollo throws a wireless router in kyevan's general directioin.
[2007-05-06 17:24:11] <kyevan> If I went to Mike's or bummed off the school
[2007-05-06 17:24:14] <kyevan> apollo: We have one.
[2007-05-06 17:24:18] <kyevan> It's using wpa :(
[2007-05-06 17:24:33] <Syrra> ah
[2007-05-06 17:24:53] <YeTr2> buy a cheap 802.11b ap, put it in your room, and take the antanne off.
[2007-05-06 17:25:18] <Syrra> I dunno why nintendo used wep :/
[2007-05-06 17:25:22] <kyevan> YeTr2: That would do me no good ?+?
[2007-05-06 17:25:30] <kyevan> Since I couldn't get it online >_>
[2007-05-06 17:25:33] <YeTr2> why?
[2007-05-06 17:25:56] <kyevan> What do you mean, 'why'?
[2007-05-06 17:26:06] <kyevan> How the hell would I plug the damn thing into the router down here?
[2007-05-06 17:26:07] <YeTr2> why couldn't you get it online?
[2007-05-06 17:26:17] <Syrra> Cat-5, yeah?
[2007-05-06 17:26:47] <YeTr2> you have a PC in your room that connects to the existing wap?
[2007-05-06 17:26:54] <apollo> you could go to mcdonald's >.>
[2007-05-06 17:26:55] <kyevan> YeTr2: No
[2007-05-06 17:26:58] <YeTr2> ..
[2007-05-06 17:27:02] <YeTr2> why not?
[2007-05-06 17:27:03] <kyevan> All my computers are downstairs
[2007-05-06 17:27:05] <kyevan> All my computers are downstairs
[2007-05-06 17:27:19] <YeTr2> what kind of nerd doesn't have a PC in their bedroom?
[2007-05-06 17:27:20] <Syrra> Play pokemons downstairs!
[2007-05-06 17:27:33] <kyevan> Syrra: YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT
[2007-05-06 17:27:38] <apollo> Likely the kind with overprotective parents?
[2007-05-06 17:27:41] <Syrra> Dude, I was joking
[2007-05-06 17:27:47] <Syrra> god, that was uncalled for
[2007-05-06 17:28:15] <apollo> Having a 'puter downstairs means that they can't be... doin' stuff on it.
[2007-05-06 17:28:15] =-= kyevan was booted from #lobby by Dylan (calm down)
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[2007-05-06 17:28:39] <kyevan> I /just/ explained that I can't, Syrra...
[2007-05-06 17:29:04] <Dylan> kyevan: duuude, hey. Unrelated to that outburst, are you near a debianish box?
[2007-05-06 17:29:07] <kyevan> Actually, my parents aren't worried about me doing porn or whatever, so much, as being on irc when I'm supposed to be asleep.
[2007-05-06 17:29:36] * YeTr2 has debian
[2007-05-06 17:29:59] <kyevan> Dylan: The useragent of the brower of the system I'm on is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/2007031002 Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-2)
[2007-05-06 17:30:06] <kyevan> So, yeh, I am :P
[2007-05-06 17:30:22] <Dylan> well, someone that is bored, I was going to ask 'em to hack the makefile for the haver website to do markdown stuff.
[2007-05-06 17:30:37] <YeTr2> not that bored
[2007-05-06 17:30:57] <YeTr2> still waiting on the other two classes of the four I took this semester to post the grades
[2007-05-06 17:31:22] <Syrra> It's funny, my dad didn't ever have a "bedtime" for me, and I usually don't stay up later than 12-ish. Which is fine since I get up at 6:30. Lately I've been waking up at 4 for insomnia reasons
[2007-05-06 17:31:27] <kyevan> Dylan: As long as it's not actually make... :P
[2007-05-06 17:32:10] <bd_> If you think making a website using makefiles is bad, take a look at CDBS
[2007-05-06 17:32:12] <Syrra> While I was living alone, I'd usually go to bed at 10, but that's mostly because of depression
[2007-05-06 17:32:39] <Syrra> It was dark and lonely, so I just went to bed early
[2007-05-06 17:33:06] <Dylan> gnu make isn't that bad, actually.
[2007-05-06 17:33:18] <Dylan> mk is better, but nobody has that.
[2007-05-06 17:33:20] <kyevan> Wha? I have to get to bed at 9 or my mom goes freaking postal.
[2007-05-06 17:33:26] =-= Mode #lobby +oo scorp kyevan by Dylan
[2007-05-06 17:34:04] <Dylan> hmm, n/m, I'll do it.
[2007-05-06 17:34:21] <kyevan> Dylan: Ok.
[2007-05-06 17:34:30] * kyevan continues to play pokemon borededly
[2007-05-06 17:35:18] <fuzzie> spaces.live.com is serving me html4 with an xhtml mime type :(
[2007-05-06 17:35:35] <fuzzie> firefox is all "ahahahahahah, not going to render that".
[2007-05-06 17:35:39] <Syrra> ewww
[2007-05-06 17:36:07] <fuzzie> is there some kind of extension which i can use to override that? :/
[2007-05-06 17:36:28] <Dylan> fuzzie: a proxy?
[2007-05-06 17:36:42] * kyevan likes serving almost-xhtml
[2007-05-06 17:36:51] <fuzzie> kyevan: but not with an xhtml mime type, i hope :p
[2007-05-06 17:36:54] <kyevan> (As html, of course)
[2007-05-06 17:36:55] <Dylan> fuzzie: lua or scheme for an irssi-like scripting language?
[2007-05-06 17:36:57] <fuzzie> Dylan: :nod:
[2007-05-06 17:37:07] <fuzzie> Dylan: lua is probably 'better', in that it's more accessible..
[2007-05-06 17:37:12] <fuzzie> otherwise i'm not sure.
[2007-05-06 17:37:31] <kyevan> Lua has all the things needed to do functional codeing, too, iirc.
[2007-05-06 17:37:39] <kyevan> Not as nicely as Scheme or Haskell, of course
[2007-05-06 17:38:04] <Dylan> fuzzie: I'm assuming people like you, bd_, me, muffin, etc, are the typical users.
[2007-05-06 17:38:14] <Dylan> lua's for loop sucks.
[2007-05-06 17:38:22] <fuzzie> mention scheme to muffin and i suspect he will run :)
[2007-05-06 17:38:48] <Dylan> well, I need an easy to---hey
[2007-05-06 17:38:51] <Dylan> s-lang has a language.
[2007-05-06 17:39:02] <bd_> hm?
[2007-05-06 17:39:12] <bd_> Dylan: Make a haskell API! :D
[2007-05-06 17:39:34] <bd_> Or a C plugin API os we can plug in whatever later
[2007-05-06 17:40:37] <ihope> Use the union of all scripting languages.
[2007-05-06 17:40:55] <ihope> And hope you don't get anything that means one thing in one language and something else in another.
[2007-05-06 17:41:10] <kyevan> ihope: Syntax issues alone make that impossible :P
[2007-05-06 17:41:23] <ihope> kyevan: syntax issues are exactly what makes it work.
[2007-05-06 17:41:37] <ihope> Ideally, a program is valid in only one language.
[2007-05-06 17:41:56] <ihope> And ideally, if a program is valid in more than one language, it does the same thing in all of them.
[2007-05-06 17:42:53] <bd_> dilbert's really jumped the shark
[2007-05-06 17:43:11] <bd_> http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070502.html and on
[2007-05-06 17:43:15] <bd_> utter fail
[2007-05-06 17:43:22] <bd_> plus crap character design
[2007-05-06 17:43:29] <bd_> doesn't match the dilbert style /at all/
[2007-05-06 17:44:19] <kyevan> ihope: What about this program?:
[2007-05-06 17:44:23] <kyevan> "Hello World"
[2007-05-06 17:44:37] <bd_> what about this program:
[2007-05-06 17:44:43] <bd_> ("Hello, world!")
[2007-05-06 17:44:59] <ihope> Do those do different things in different languages/
[2007-05-06 17:45:15] <bd_> Sure, ("Hello, world!") is a no-op in perl, and throws an exception in scheme.
[2007-05-06 17:45:36] <ihope> Error, then.
[2007-05-06 17:45:39] <ihope> Or choose one arbitrarily.
[2007-05-06 17:46:35] <kyevan> bd_: In Ruby, it returns a string object "Hello, world!"
[2007-05-06 17:46:36] <bd_> http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/poly/polyglot.txt
[2007-05-06 17:46:40] <bd_> Now change one of those strings
[2007-05-06 17:46:41] <kyevan> I think >_>
[2007-05-06 17:46:51] <ihope> kyevan: returns it where?
[2007-05-06 17:46:53] <kyevan> And then there's Brainfuck.
[2007-05-06 17:46:58] <kyevan> ihope: To whatever is above it
[2007-05-06 17:47:12] <ihope> kyevan: so if you run that alone, it's returned right into the operating system?
[2007-05-06 17:47:13] <kyevan> I dunno what it does when it gets to the end of the Ruby program
[2007-05-06 17:47:29] <ihope> "Here, operating system, have some data. I have no idea what you intend to do with it. Cheers!"
[2007-05-06 17:49:44] <ihope> Now, I wonder how much demand there is for a channel where everything said must be hostile.
[2007-05-06 17:49:45] <kyevan> ihope: The OS returns it to the bootloader!
[2007-05-06 17:49:46] <kyevan> :P
[2007-05-06 17:50:07] <ihope> kyevan: what if the bootloader is written in Ruby and encounters that, eh? :-)
[2007-05-06 17:51:01] <kyevan> then it does whatever the ruby program specifies to do with that object
[2007-05-06 17:51:28] <kyevan> Damn weedle... poisoned my rattata
[2007-05-06 17:51:35] <kyevan> I reset LG
[2007-05-06 17:51:54] <kyevan> I'm going to play it 'til I can trade with Sapphire, trade Jirachi over, and reset that too
[2007-05-06 17:52:14] <kyevan> (I dunno if I can get my hands on the Jirachi disk again, so I don't want to just erase it)
[2007-05-06 17:52:20] <kyevan> And then I'm NOT GOING TO CHEAT
[2007-05-06 17:52:31] <kyevan> Play dirty, perhaps, but not cheat :P
[2007-05-06 17:53:21] <ihope> Is playing dirty the same as playing badly?
[2007-05-06 17:53:23] * kyevan is listening to: Warren Zevon - Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner on "Excitable Boy" [0:22/3:47]
[2007-05-06 18:00:58] <YeTr2> all hail mouser!
[2007-05-06 18:01:35] <YeTr2> a level 47 Luxray w/ bite, crunch, spark, and thunder fang :P
[2007-05-06 18:02:44] <nornagon> you must be bored, I've had the game for twice as long as you and my luxray isn't level thirty yet :p
[2007-05-06 18:02:45] <YeTr2> is there a maximum limit to the amount of puffins I can give a pokemon?
[2007-05-06 18:03:08] <YeTr2> I've only had the game running for 18 hours
[2007-05-06 18:03:13] <apollo> Yes.  There's a "feel" rating thing...
[2007-05-06 18:03:26] <apollo> The lower the feel rating, the more you can feed them.
[2007-05-06 18:06:17] <YeTr2> so what.. I have to abuse this pokemon to make it eat more poffins?
[2007-05-06 18:07:14] <ihope> Puffin' poffins!
[2007-05-06 18:07:19] <ihope> Or poffin' puffins, or something.
[2007-05-06 18:09:11] <apollo> YeTr2:  No... Once they reach a max "feel" or "shine" or "sheen"... whatever it's called... They can't eat anymore ever.
[2007-05-06 18:10:33] <YeTr2> how do I lower it then?
[2007-05-06 18:11:55] <YeTr2> wait... I have to do multiplayer poffins to get poffins higher than level 15?
[2007-05-06 18:19:23] <apollo> I guess.
[2007-05-06 18:19:25] <Ami> Chatkill award.  YeTr2 gained 27 points.  It has killed chat 312 times and has 7599 points.
[2007-05-06 18:19:34] <apollo> They always encourage multiplayer on making pokeblocks.
[2007-05-06 18:20:51] <apollo> I never did bother much.
[2007-05-06 18:25:03] <Possum> whee more songs for FoF
[2007-05-06 18:25:13] * Possum downloading >200 songs
[2007-05-06 18:35:12] * Possum listens Blodhound Gang - Foxtrot
[2007-05-06 18:38:04] <Possum> I cano do a perfectino spaniardo accentio
[2007-05-06 18:38:17] <Possum> How many people have me on ignore yet? :P
[2007-05-06 18:38:26] |<-- apollo has left irc.aftran.com:9999 (Active Quit:  Leaving)
[2007-05-06 18:39:11] <Dylan> Possum: not me!
[2007-05-06 18:41:25] <ihope> I wish I had an infinite supply of good comics.
[2007-05-06 18:41:44] <ihope> Currently, the only ones I like that I know to still be running are Freefall and Ozy and Millie.
[2007-05-06 18:45:02] <ihope> Indeed, FRAMED!!! doesn't seem to be running still, either.
[2007-05-06 18:45:16] <ihope> That's why it's a good idea to draw your own.
[2007-05-06 18:45:24] <ihope> And sort of imitate another strip.
[2007-05-06 18:45:46] <ihope> And hope the author of the strip you're imitating likes the fact that you're imitating it.
[2007-05-06 18:52:23] <ihope> Oh, and how about I go off-topic for a moment to reply to "Software will NEVER be perfect because the people (note PEOPLE not machines) who produce it are not perfect."
[2007-05-06 18:52:36] <ihope> Actually, are you all aware of my position on that already?
[2007-05-06 18:54:10] <kyevan> "BATTLE OF THE CENTARY! Kakuna Vs. Metapod!"
[2007-05-06 18:54:44] <kyevan> ihope: Do you want me to post the list of ones I read?
[2007-05-06 18:55:07] <ihope> kyevan: yeah, I guess I could look through those.
[2007-05-06 18:57:18] <ihope> Or I could just make a list of the awards Freefall and Ozy and Millie have gotten... if Ozy and Millie has gotten any.
[2007-05-06 18:57:40] <ihope> If there are any both have received, I'll take a look.
[2007-05-06 18:58:44] <ihope> ...freefall.purrsia.com seems downish again.
[2007-05-06 18:59:12] <kyevan> http://clanofthecats.com/d/20030110.html <- gotta love that last line ^_^
[2007-05-06 18:59:29] <ihope> Hmm, here we go: http://home.nvg.org/~sk/comics/freefall/
[2007-05-06 19:00:28] <ihope> Except that as far as I can tell, that only mirrors one page.
[2007-05-06 19:01:30] [INFO] There is nothing to tab-complete. Use F6 to cycle through the user list, input box and the chat output.
[2007-05-06 19:01:50] <scorp> ugh
[2007-05-06 19:01:58] <scorp> I think I have an msg headache
[2007-05-06 19:02:06] <ihope> Foolish link of the week. The Gildenwolf award. The Garou award. The Felineriffic Fatcat Award. The Keenspot Cartoonist Choice Award, Best Sci-Fi comic.
[2007-05-06 19:02:12] <ihope> That last one's a bit of a mouthful, eh.
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[2007-05-06 19:07:13] <ihope> Hmm. Ozy and Millie has won awards, all right; it just doesn't list them nicely.
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[2007-05-06 19:11:51] <ihope> Well, Ozy and Millie hasn't been on Foolish Link of the Week.
[2007-05-06 19:14:09] <ihope> Actually, none of those awards seem to have much for websites backing them up.
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[2007-05-06 19:15:16] <Ami> [Ghrens] Sine party, my house, next week. If you're not there, you're banned from Sine.
[2007-05-06 19:24:06] <ihope> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D._C._Simpson&direction=prev&oldid=64043042
[2007-05-06 19:24:25] <ihope> Isn't it nice how that version of the article doesn't mention D.C.'s gender?
[2007-05-06 19:25:46] <ihope> In fact, the last version that mentioned D.C.'s gender was this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D._C._Simpson&direction=prev&oldid=52760551
[2007-05-06 19:36:50] <ihope> And another aside (how about I speak entirely in asides?): do a Google search for "she invented", he says.
[2007-05-06 19:36:58] <ihope> Not she invented but "she invented".
[2007-05-06 19:37:09] <ihope> Actually, either.
[2007-05-06 19:41:10] <ihope> So here's for big aside number one: how would one go about solving http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070506?
[2007-05-06 19:41:24] <ihope> Is it two sudokus?
[2007-05-06 19:42:14] <scorp> looks like hexadecimal sudoku
[2007-05-06 19:43:33] <scorp> or another retarded 'lol decryption key HAXXORZ!!'
[2007-05-06 19:46:25] <scorp> yeah, looks like that's it.
[2007-05-06 19:53:37] <ihope> Looks like what's it?
[2007-05-06 19:53:40] <ihope> Or that's what?
[2007-05-06 20:01:34] <ihope> Oh! There's how to solve it!
[2007-05-06 20:02:11] <ihope> Maybe.
[2007-05-06 20:06:31] <ihope> So they say that the DMCA doesn't actually accomplish what it was supposed to accomplish.
[2007-05-06 20:06:38] <ihope> Why do we still have it, then?
[2007-05-06 20:06:54] <Dylan> sine is so quiet today.
[2007-05-06 20:10:11] <vadim> Firenze: you here?
[2007-05-06 20:10:23] <vadim> come back to SL for a while to see something awesome
[2007-05-06 20:13:30] <ihope> (aside!) Dylan: not when I'm monologuing!
[2007-05-06 20:14:09] <ihope> Well, I guess quietness was what made it monologuing.
[2007-05-06 20:17:10] <ihope> Now all I need is a vector graphics editor.
[2007-05-06 20:17:15] <ihope> Can anyone suggest one?
[2007-05-06 20:18:34] <ihope> "Many vector graphic editors can automatically convert from raster to vector graphics", says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics.
[2007-05-06 20:19:29] <scorp> I suggest you pirate yourself a copy of flash.
[2007-05-06 20:19:43] <Sgeo> vadim, I can't go to SL ;(
[2007-05-06 20:19:49] * Sgeo keeps crashing
[2007-05-06 20:19:55] <scorp> otherwise, adobe illustrator is probably the most sophisticated vector program.
[2007-05-06 20:20:57] <scorp> but if you just want to draw vectors and not muck about editing endless bezier curves, flash is far easier to pick up.
[2007-05-06 20:21:15] <Dylan> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.2/glib/ <-- does this page do something strange on scrollup in firefox?
[2007-05-06 20:21:43] <scorp> I'd check, but firefox just spazzed the hell out on me so I'm not opening it again for a bit.
[2007-05-06 20:22:11] <scorp> seriously, has anyone else had it suddenly go crazy and start opening millions of empty tabs?
[2007-05-06 20:22:25] <ihope> Does Adobe Illustrator force you to edit endless bezier crves?
[2007-05-06 20:22:33] <ihope> Curves, rather...
[2007-05-06 20:23:02] <scorp> well, yes.
[2007-05-06 20:23:29] <scorp> I'm not terribly knowledgeable about it though; I don't do vector work when I can avoid it.
[2007-05-06 20:25:54] <scorp> dylan: I'm not seeing anything odd, but there's not much scrolling going on for me.
[2007-05-06 20:26:44] <Dylan> what about on http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.2/glib/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#GMainLoop ?
[2007-05-06 20:27:03] <Dylan> hmm, it stopped happening.
[2007-05-06 20:27:29] <YeTr2> ..
[2007-05-06 20:30:06] <ihope> Hmm. I wonder if this thing is installing.
[2007-05-06 20:30:30] <ihope> Looks installed, actually.
[2007-05-06 20:32:02] <vadim> Sgeo: darn, you missed something awesome
[2007-05-06 20:32:08] <vadim> I'll upload screenshots now
[2007-05-06 20:32:12] <Sgeo> vadim, hm?
[2007-05-06 20:32:40] <Sgeo> Was it some gridwide thing/
[2007-05-06 20:32:40] <Sgeo> ?
[2007-05-06 20:33:03] <vadim> no
[2007-05-06 20:34:05] <vadim> http://daleglass.net/images/screenshots/huge_tree_001.jpg
[2007-05-06 20:35:01] <Sgeo> What was it for?
[2007-05-06 20:35:27] <Sgeo> And why am I unable to get into SL?
[2007-05-06 20:35:37] <vadim> /home/vadim/SL/source/current/indra/newview/huge_tree_002.bmp
[2007-05-06 20:35:46] <vadim> err
[2007-05-06 20:35:51] <vadim> http://daleglass.net/images/screenshots/huge_tree_002.jpg
[2007-05-06 20:35:59] <Sgeo> vadim, you want me to hack into your comp just to see a picture?
[2007-05-06 20:36:01] <Sgeo> >.>
[2007-05-06 20:36:04] <vadim> Sgeo: what was what for?
[2007-05-06 20:36:08] <bd_> Got ssh?
[2007-05-06 20:36:12] <Sgeo> The Tree
[2007-05-06 20:36:22] <bd_> Ssh has all the access you need for healthy file transfer and fork bombs.
[2007-05-06 20:36:24] <vadim> he sells it
[2007-05-06 20:36:37] <ihope> Where can I get Adobe Illustrator?
[2007-05-06 20:36:46] <vadim> it takes something like 1/4 of a sim, and I don't know any place in SL where to see one
[2007-05-06 20:37:01] <vadim> permanently, that is, he rezzed this one for a few minutes
[2007-05-06 20:37:08] <scorp> ihope: torrent sites
[2007-05-06 20:37:14] <ihope> Legally?
[2007-05-06 20:37:18] <bd_> ihope: amazon
[2007-05-06 20:37:26] <ihope> Legally *and* freely?
[2007-05-06 20:37:29] <vadim> http://daleglass.net/images/screenshots/huge_tree_004.jpg
[2007-05-06 20:37:32] <ihope> And forever?
[2007-05-06 20:37:33] <scorp> haha
[2007-05-06 20:37:37] <scorp> free?
[2007-05-06 20:37:40] <scorp> not a chance.
[2007-05-06 20:37:45] <vadim> http://daleglass.net/images/screenshots/huge_tree_005.jpg
[2007-05-06 20:37:47] <ihope> I was sort of looking for a free one.
[2007-05-06 20:37:53] <ihope> Flash doesn't sound free either.
[2007-05-06 20:37:56] <scorp> just torrent it, adobe won't miss your money.
[2007-05-06 20:37:58] <bd_> &#12397;&#12540;&#12424;www
[2007-05-06 20:38:10] <ihope> scorp: it won't?
[2007-05-06 20:38:19] <scorp> and no, flash isn't free either.
[2007-05-06 20:38:37] <GreenReaper> Flash! AAAaahahhh . . .
[2007-05-06 20:38:45] <scorp> one person's money? you're hardly going to actually pay the $1000+, are you?
[2007-05-06 20:39:00] <ihope> If it costs that much, I'm just not going to get it.
[2007-05-06 20:39:22] <scorp> as for free, I don't know. the gimp might do vector stuff, but flash does it a million times easier.
[2007-05-06 20:39:29] <ihope> Then again, it doesn't actually harm them to get it illegally if I'm not going to get it legally, does it?
[2007-05-06 20:39:39] <scorp> indeed.
[2007-05-06 20:39:43] <ihope> Now, can Flash export PNGs?
[2007-05-06 20:40:02] <scorp> yes.
[2007-05-06 20:40:18] <Sgeo> :(){:|:&};:
[2007-05-06 20:40:57] <vadim> I'm still uploading screenshots, they go up to 17
[2007-05-06 20:42:39] <vadim> a good idea of the size: http://daleglass.net/images/screenshots/huge_tree_010.jpg
[2007-05-06 20:43:35] <scorp> that tree thing's pretty neat.
[2007-05-06 20:43:56] <scorp> damn, I can't wait til I have free time over the summer so I can model my own stuff.
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[2007-05-06 20:45:00] <apollo> XD http://www.thegamerag.com/archives/2007/04/halo_3_x_button_usage_revealed.php
[2007-05-06 20:45:02] <Ami> [apollo] "I'm not bald!  I've just got fine feathers, that's all!"
[2007-05-06 20:45:21] <apollo> Halo 3 will use the X button to throw out racial and homophobic slurs.
[2007-05-06 20:45:36] <apollo> (joke article... I hope)
[2007-05-06 20:46:28] <vadim> SL is now getting "sculpted prims", btw
[2007-05-06 20:46:43] <vadim> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Sculpted_Prims
[2007-05-06 20:50:47] <ihope> Apparently we already own a copy of Flash.
[2007-05-06 20:50:50] <Ami> The chat died.  Vadim gained 28 points.  He has killed chat 881 times and has 18155 points.
[2007-05-06 20:51:04] <ihope> Of course, it's a "single user license" and not to me...
[2007-05-06 20:53:34] <ihope> Oh, apparently this computer just happens to contain a copy of Inkscape.
[2007-05-06 20:56:55] <scorp> wtf, sculpted prims are textures?
[2007-05-06 20:56:55] <scorp> how bizarre.
[2007-05-06 20:56:55] <scorp> but, interesting idea.
[2007-05-06 20:58:53] <ihope> 640 by 240 should be plenty indeed.
[2007-05-06 20:59:53] <scorp> ehh, it's very low-poly.
[2007-05-06 21:00:13] <scorp> still, should allow some more interesting models.
[2007-05-06 21:02:46] <vadim> scorp: apparently changing textures will result in the mesh changing
[2007-05-06 21:02:52] <vadim> so 
[2007-05-06 21:03:04] <vadim> that potentially means furry avatars with expressions. Yay :-D
[2007-05-06 21:04:43] <scorp> can you... I don't know, morph between textures?
[2007-05-06 21:04:50] <scorp> that would be neat.
[2007-05-06 21:05:04] <ihope> Perfect! 700 by 300!
[2007-05-06 21:05:06] <scorp> oh, animated textures. does sl have those?
[2007-05-06 21:05:26] <vadim> scorp: yep
[2007-05-06 21:05:42] <ihope> You know, it's a little odd that those are called textures, isn't it?
[2007-05-06 21:06:00] <ihope> Seeing as how they aren't actual textures... are they?
[2007-05-06 21:06:05] <Ciaran> It does? I thought animated textures in SL were a hack where you had one texture with all the frames and then used LSL to change the offset in a loop.
[2007-05-06 21:06:24] <scorp> ihope: they're displacement textures, so yes.
[2007-05-06 21:06:24] <vadim> Ciaran: either that, or just switch textures with a script, yeah
[2007-05-06 21:06:39] <vadim> but it's still doable
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[2007-05-06 21:07:15] <scorp> how does sl run these days? when I tried it it ran painfully slow.
[2007-05-06 21:07:52] <ihope> 690 by 300 should be nice, actually. Chop off 50 from the horizontal and 20 from the vertical for margins, and you get 640 by 280 to spread across all your panels.
[2007-05-06 21:08:02] <ihope> That means each panel is 160 by 280.
[2007-05-06 21:08:10] <vadim> scorp: depending on what hardware
[2007-05-06 21:08:14] <vadim> here it runs quite well
[2007-05-06 21:08:26] <vadim> especially after the latest update, which improved framerates
[2007-05-06 21:09:48] <scorp> well going on looks I wouldn't have expected it to run worse than WoW, but it really was terrible.
[2007-05-06 21:09:57] <scorp> I might give it a go this summer then.
[2007-05-06 21:10:07] <vadim> Disclaimer: My specs: Athlon 64 X2 5200+, 4GB RAM, GeForce 7900GS
[2007-05-06 21:11:23] <scorp> ...oh.
[2007-05-06 21:11:41] <vadim> but it really got better
[2007-05-06 21:11:49] <vadim> update pretty much doubled framerate
[2007-05-06 21:11:58] <scorp> huh, sounds good.
[2007-05-06 21:12:11] <vadim> and they did some good work on the grid too
[2007-05-06 21:12:23] <vadim> it used to die at 20K users, now it works nicely with 42K
[2007-05-06 21:18:33] <Possum> vadim, nice
[2007-05-06 21:19:08] <Sgeo> vadim, will it fix my issues?
[2007-05-06 21:19:09] * Possum running Sempron 64 2600+, 512MB RAM, GeForce 5200FX (128MB)
[2007-05-06 21:19:16] <Possum> Ducks are really stupid
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[2007-05-06 21:19:34] <Ami> [bef] I have a confession to make.  I am really a man.  And my name is Ivan.  And I am also 40 years old.
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[2007-05-06 21:30:29] <Possum> http://possumism.net/myspacelulz.txt
[2007-05-06 21:30:58] <bd_> and why do you have this?
[2007-05-06 21:32:58] <Possum> That's not important >.>
[2007-05-06 21:33:05] <bd_> yes it is >..
[2007-05-06 21:33:10] <Possum> My supplier said I could publish it
[2007-05-06 21:33:19] <bd_> you have suppliers now? >_>
[2007-05-06 21:33:34] <Possum> I confirmed; several of them work
[2007-05-06 21:33:36] <Possum> Of course
[2007-05-06 21:36:04] <kyevan> Brock: Encourageing the Starter Effect since 1996. Unless you're in NA, in which case it was 1998, or Europe, in which case it was 1999
[2007-05-06 21:38:28] * bd_ proceeds to perform an initial run of unison over two identical 44G datasets
[2007-05-06 21:38:48] <Sgeo> unison?
[2007-05-06 21:39:01] <bd_> two-way synchronization program
[2007-05-06 21:39:11] <bd_> I'm moving my music over to zfs, but keeping a backup copy on a normal ext3 partition
[2007-05-06 21:39:20] <bd_> and unison's going to maintain the replication
[2007-05-06 21:40:02] <bd_> speaking of which... I should move the music into another zfs dataset so I can keep track of the space usage better, perhaps
[2007-05-06 21:40:29] <kyevan> zfs?
[2007-05-06 21:40:46] <bd_> http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE
[2007-05-06 21:44:01] <bd_> it's a very nice fs with an annoying licence
[2007-05-06 21:45:52] <scorp> hahaha, possum is that list real?
[2007-05-06 21:46:11] <Possum> scorp, I just tested 3 of them that worked
[2007-05-06 21:46:25] <Possum> Some of them have already been hacked up or pass-changed
[2007-05-06 21:46:36] <scorp> where on earth did you get it?
[2007-05-06 21:46:44] <Possum> I have my sources >.>
[2007-05-06 21:46:59] <Possum> I found out my supplier also published the list to 4chan XD
[2007-05-06 21:47:06] <scorp> aha
[2007-05-06 21:47:12] <scorp> neat.
[2007-05-06 21:47:32] <Possum> Yea, that's why several will be f*d up already
[2007-05-06 21:49:18] <bd_> oh dear, the /b/tards have it?
[2007-05-06 21:50:37] <apollo> Damn.  Emerald appears to be messed up.
[2007-05-06 21:51:16] <apollo> And the AR is always of piss poor quality.
[2007-05-06 21:53:59] <apollo> oh. no.
[2007-05-06 21:54:08] <apollo> Not messed up. The stupid codes weren't working.
[2007-05-06 21:54:19] <apollo> I was trying to hack pokemon so that I can get more legendaries.
[2007-05-06 21:55:38] <apollo> Who knows what the heck was wrong with it.
[2007-05-06 21:55:45] <apollo> I want a Palkia. :<
[2007-05-06 21:55:54] <apollo> It appears that won't happen tonight.
[2007-05-06 21:56:30] <ihope> (I haven't broken my aside rule yet--aside!) http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=659
[2007-05-06 21:56:33] <apollo> Stupid AR.
[2007-05-06 21:57:27] <bd_> aside rule?
[2007-05-06 22:00:02] <ihope> bd_: currently, I'm deeming everything that isn't related to my webcomic an aside.
[2007-05-06 22:00:26] <bd_> ic
[2007-05-06 22:00:39] <apollo> Wow.  Eevee now has more evolutions than you can fit in your pocket.
[2007-05-06 22:00:41] <apollo> 7.
[2007-05-06 22:00:50] <apollo> 8 if you count Eevee itself.
[2007-05-06 22:02:07] <bd_> http://www.google.com/search?&q=braille second sponsored link
[2007-05-06 22:03:32] <Dylan> bd_: does debian have slang 2?
[2007-05-06 22:03:45] <kyevan> apollo: 8? So, 2 new ones?
[2007-05-06 22:03:52] <apollo> Yep.
[2007-05-06 22:04:07] <kyevan> Dylan: Yep, looks like it does
[2007-05-06 22:04:16] <kyevan> apollo: Oooh! Tell me more, tell me more!
[2007-05-06 22:04:25] <bd_> libslang2-dev - The S-Lang programming library, development version
[2007-05-06 22:04:28] * kyevan is an Eevee lover
[2007-05-06 22:04:40] <kyevan> But, wait...
[2007-05-06 22:04:54] <kyevan> This means I can't have all the Eevees on a team anymore :(
[2007-05-06 22:05:00] <Possum> yup :(
[2007-05-06 22:07:08] <ihope> Okay, I have the panels all nicely laid out and everything.
[2007-05-06 22:07:11] <ihope> Now I just need to fill them.
[2007-05-06 22:07:11] <Ami> You killed chat.  Possum gained 27 points.  He has killed chat 385 times and has 9523 points.
[2007-05-06 22:10:12] <kyevan> ihope: "This space intentionally left blank"
[2007-05-06 22:10:14] <kyevan> anyway
[2007-05-06 22:10:20] <ihope> kyevan: I don't think so.
[2007-05-06 22:10:31] <vadim> http://daleglass.net/images/screenshots/evee.jpg
[2007-05-06 22:10:35] <kyevan> I think I'm heading to bed.
[2007-05-06 22:10:36] <kyevan> 'Night!
[2007-05-06 22:10:47] <bd_> 22:09 [sine] CTCP PING reply from ihope: 1.541 seconds
[2007-05-06 22:10:49] <bd_> Where's the aside?
[2007-05-06 22:11:02] <kyevan> Dylan: That... is so.... awesome...
[2007-05-06 22:11:12] * ihope slaps bd_
[2007-05-06 22:11:25] <ihope> (in an asidely manner)
[2007-05-06 22:11:40] <bd_> :D
[2007-05-06 22:12:51] <Dylan> kyevan: what is?
[2007-05-06 22:13:55] <kyevan> er
[2007-05-06 22:14:03] <kyevan> s/Dylan/vadim/
[2007-05-06 22:14:12] <kyevan> I need sleep >_>
[2007-05-06 22:14:15] <kyevan> G'night!
[2007-05-06 22:14:32] <Possum> I need coffee :(
[2007-05-06 22:17:29] * Sgeo needs Fx to unfreeze
[2007-05-06 22:18:47] * Possum is getting dizzy spinning 3d desktop
[2007-05-06 22:22:14] <apollo> Let's see if these work
[2007-05-06 22:23:59] <apollo> Mhm.
[2007-05-06 22:24:01] <apollo> THey do.
[2007-05-06 22:24:12] <apollo> So I can't create pokemon to trade for rare D/P ones...
[2007-05-06 22:24:16] <apollo> but I can create my own.
[2007-05-06 22:24:26] <apollo> You know, I really should BUY a DS one...
[2007-05-06 22:24:43] <apollo> But this cool program hasn't been updated for such capabilities yet.
[2007-05-06 22:24:58] <apollo> They were all like "Oh, we'll be ready for D/P! No problemo!
[2007-05-06 22:25:12] <apollo> And... It's been out... They haven't released a program. :P
[2007-05-06 22:25:15] <apollo> Lazy people.
[2007-05-06 22:25:21] <apollo> I don't want to get something I can't use.
[2007-05-06 22:25:26] <apollo> This one actually has multiple uses.
[2007-05-06 22:25:39] <apollo> The Nintendogs and AC:WW trainer works with the gamesaves it can get...
[2007-05-06 22:25:45] <apollo> It just can't do DS codes...
[2007-05-06 22:25:48] <apollo> only DS gamesaves.
[2007-05-06 22:26:13] <Dylan> bah
[2007-05-06 22:26:14] <apollo> And I strongly suspect that Diamond put those Bad Eggs on my Emerald.
[2007-05-06 22:26:37] <apollo> As a way to say "Pls to not be cheating."
[2007-05-06 22:28:39] <Possum> "Bad Eggs?"
[2007-05-06 22:29:01] <Possum> How come I didn't get the chatkill?
[2007-05-06 22:29:14] <apollo> Possum: A result of bad codes.
[2007-05-06 22:29:30] <apollo> The former, not the latter.
[2007-05-06 22:29:44] <apollo> I'm sure Ami's code is wonderful and perfect
[2007-05-06 22:30:39] <apollo> Pal Park blows
[2007-05-06 22:31:29] <Possum> pssh... sum n00b on fn#ubunt-effects is a l4m3r that doesn't understand "pwnz"
[2007-05-06 22:31:48] <Possum> I linked him to the uncyclopedia article XD
[2007-05-06 22:37:33] <Possum> "In reality pwn is pronounced as ROFLMAOMGREATASTE!!!111111."
[2007-05-06 22:37:50] <scorp> god I wish my landlord allowed pets. I'd love a kitten or a puppy...
[2007-05-06 22:38:20] <Possum> 'A less common pronunciation is "own," like the English word, but of course this is entirely coincidental. It occurs due to the silent "p" found in many American dialects.'
[2007-05-06 22:39:01] <apollo> "P is silent!"
[2007-05-06 22:39:08] <apollo> "How can the P be silent?"
[2007-05-06 22:39:10] <Possum> Yes, a lot of Americans pronounce my nick "Ossum," almost identical to "awesome"
[2007-05-06 22:39:44] <apollo> ^Bryan or Eric says the first part...
[2007-05-06 22:39:55] <apollo> Jeff (aka Clucky) asks the question.
[2007-05-06 22:40:01] <apollo> It's like a daily affair.
[2007-05-06 22:40:47] <apollo> You have to be there. >.>
[2007-05-06 22:40:54] <apollo> All you non-GW people.
[2007-05-06 22:43:49] =-= Mode #lobby +ooo Ghrens chaper apollo by bd_
[2007-05-06 22:44:47] <apollo> Hmm... I wonder if anyone wants to trade a Palkia for my Articuno.
[2007-05-06 22:45:01] <apollo> Was Articuno the popular one?
[2007-05-06 22:45:48] <Possum> Articuno was in the one movie
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