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[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:12:33] <johndraper> Hello
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:13:16] <johndraper> Can anyone here tell me if there is a Mac OSX version with source available?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:13:53] <johndraper> I didn't see any mention of that - so I guess I presume it means there isn't, am I correct in this assumption?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:14:14] <XVampireX> There is a Mac OS X version
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:14:18] <XVampireX> and there is source available
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:14:22] <XVampireX> www.openwengo.org
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:14:40] <johndraper> can you enlighten me what specific link in openwengo where I can DL it?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:14:57] <XVampireX> It's cross platform works on all 3 platforms
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:15:08] <johndraper> Seems there is one - but only in executeable, is that correct?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:15:12] <XVampireX> are you on a PPC or X86?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:15:20] <johndraper> PPC right now
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:15:22] <XVampireX> No it has source code too
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:15:33] <XVampireX> http://download.wengo.com/releases/WengoPhone-2.1/RC2/macosx_ppc/WengoPhone-2.1-rc2-macosx-ppc.dmg
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:16:35] <XVampireX> the source code is the same, just compiles for different platforms
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:18:37] <johndraper> Ok, got it - I wonder why I couldn't find that link
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:18:55] <johndraper> By the way - I get FILE NOT FOUND when using that link, WTF?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:19:54] <johndraper> I did find a Source Code link - so what you are saying, is that this source code is same for ALL platforms?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:00] <XVampireX> Don't mean to offend, but you seem a bit new to computers... or you're doing something pretty weird
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:05] <XVampireX> Yes
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:~$ wget http://download.wengo.com/releases/WengoPhone-2.1/RC2/macosx_ppc/WengoPhone-2.1-rc2-macosx-ppc.dmg
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> --02:19:31-- http://download.wengo.com/releases/WengoPhone-2.1/RC2/macosx_ppc/WengoPhone-2.1-rc2-macosx-ppc.dmg
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> => `WengoPhone-2.1-rc2-macosx-ppc.dmg'
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> Resolving download.wengo.com... 80.118.132.72, 80.118.132.71
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> Connecting to download.wengo.com|80.118.132.72|:80... connected.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> Length: 18,681,468 (18M) [application/x-apple-diskimage]
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:10] <XVampireX> 0% [ ] 33,479 39.34K/s
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:20:24] <XVampireX> Works fine that way, and also via browser
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:21:09] <XVampireX> I don't know why you need the source code though
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:21:13] <johndraper> it doesn't work on my Firefox browser at all.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:21:54] <johndraper> then when I tried to DL the one I cound on the web site, I get FILE NOT FOUND when it tries to extract the .tar.bz2 file.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:23:17] <XVampireX> why .tar.bz2?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:23:20] <johndraper> How did you get to this link - I couldn't find it in the Download section of the main wemgo site...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:23:21] <XVampireX> it's a .dmg
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:23:32] <XVampireX> www.openwengo.org
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:24:51] <johndraper> WOW - now it went to a totally different site - strange...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:26:06] <johndraper> ok, thanx you guys... I appreciate your help...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:26:17] <XVampireX> johndraper: Notice it's .org not .com
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:27:03] <johndraper> yea - I have a vision problem... hard to see fonts on some sites.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:27:19] <XVampireX> This is IRC
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:27:23] <johndraper> By the way - that dmg file is just the executeable application.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:27:29] <johndraper> where is the source?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:28:01] <XVampireX> in Trac
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:28:28] <johndraper> how do I get it? I never used Trac before?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:28:40] <johndraper> I thought you said this had the source code...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:28:54] <johndraper> can you send me the URL where I can DL it?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:29:28] <johndraper> Do you know if it builds under X-Code? Or does it use the standard UNIX style "make" facility?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:29:37] <XVampireX> Why do you need the source code?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:29:58] <XVampireX> I think it uses cmake just like all other Qt4 applications
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:30:03] <XVampireX> and yes, that's make
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:30:04] <johndraper> Because I want to be able to build it on the Mac... then if it suits our needs, we will want to license it.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:30:29] <XVampireX> License it to whom? It's open source, it's freely available for everyone...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:31:03] <johndraper> Right now - I'm just researching this - want to add some kewl features to it, like when a participant speaks, the participant will get aural directional data from the person speaking.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:31:07] <XVampireX> http://download.wengo.com/releases/WengoPhone-2.1/RC2/sources/WengoPhone-2.1-rc2.src.tar.bz2
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:32:05] <johndraper> And I just use the mac Shell terminal to build it?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:32:24] <XVampireX> http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/wiki/GetTheSourceWengoPhoneNg
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:32:30] <XVampireX> yes
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:32:38] <johndraper> ok, got it...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:02] <XVampireX> it should auto detect your platform during ./configure
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:04] <johndraper> do you know if anyone is planning to move it into X-Code>
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:06] <johndraper> ?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:13] <johndraper> got it.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:17] <XVampireX> I don't know about X-Code
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:24] <XVampireX> I don't have a mac
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:30] <johndraper> X-Code is Apple's Development IDE.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:52] <XVampireX> You can fork it if you want it's your problem
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:33:59] <johndraper> If not, then I will do it - and if anyone else on here is working with the Mac, I can share my work with them.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:34:02] <XVampireX> Just remember that you have to share the features back.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:34:29] <XVampireX> Why though?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:34:33] <johndraper> that's the plan - is there any info on how I can submit it to the group?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:34:48] <XVampireX> Contact one of the maintainers, the main one being dneary
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:34:54] <johndraper> Because I want to wrap a COCOA GUI around it, that's why.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:35:00] <johndraper> what's his Email?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:35:29] <XVampireX> This thing uses Qt4, it should have support for native Cocoa widgets
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:35:42] <XVampireX> At least a Qt theme for it
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:35:45] <johndraper> Kewl
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:35:58] <johndraper> what is dneary's Email addy?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:36:23] <XVampireX> I don't know
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:37:41] <johndraper> Does anyone else on here know dneary's Email? It's not listed on the site - bot surprisingly - DAMN the SPAMMER
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:37:49] <johndraper> bot = not
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:38:12] <johndraper> Hmm - this one extracts...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:38:17] <johndraper> this is good.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:38:49] <johndraper> so - you say I should contact dneary about how to submit anything I do, is that correct?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:39:21] <johndraper> I went looking on the site - there is no instructions for submitting anything...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:39:47] <XVampireX> he'll come here eventually
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:40:14] <johndraper> if he does, could you please ask him to Email me at: jdcrunchman at gmail dot com
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:40:50] <johndraper> I've been trying to contact ANYONE at that site... the only link I could find to a human has been this IRC room.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:41:19] <XVampireX> Freenode is the only place for open source projects :)
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:41:20] <johndraper> my mailing list server is down, and as soon as it comes up, I intend to join it.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:41:34] <XVampireX> It's the same as sourceforge, if you ever used that
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:42:35] <johndraper> yes - I think I still have an account with them - I'll look for it, right now, my tasks are to try and build it, then link it to the AstoundSound package... let me share something with you guys on this channel right now.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:42:50] <johndraper> go to http://genaudioinc.vom
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:42:53] <johndraper> oope
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:43:03] <johndraper> I have injured hand - sorry
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:43:07] <XVampireX> ok
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:43:13] <johndraper> http://genaudioinc.com
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:43:52] <XVampireX> is that cross platform?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:43:59] <johndraper> look for Demo section - click on "More..." link to get to demo page - it's a demo of new sound technology, and I want to integrate this into an application.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:44:04] <XVampireX> and/or open source?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:44:18] <johndraper> right now, it's for the mac
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:44:26] <johndraper> Definately NOT open source
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:44:46] <johndraper> but as a developer, I can link to it.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:45:06] <XVampireX> So more platform lock in?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:45:13] <johndraper> but I need to do some experimentation to see how close I can get to the mac's Core audio.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:45:25] <XVampireX> will you be able to make it work on windows/linux too?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:45:42] <johndraper> well - obviously it's their intention to get it to work on All platyforms
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:45:58] <johndraper> but MY role right now, is just for the mac....
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:46:21] <johndraper> I'm tasked to write a Proof of concept - NOT a commercial App.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:46:27] <XVampireX> Linux has support for CoreAudio too
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:46:41] <johndraper> right - but which one is that?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:46:49] <XVampireX> same one I think
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:47:02] <johndraper> we talking about alsa-lib
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:47:15] <johndraper> libasound?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:47:19] <XVampireX> Yeah
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:47:29] <johndraper> Kewl - we are on right track then...
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:48:14] <johndraper> We are looking for a Video Conf system Open Source which I can Hack up for a killer demo
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:48:27] <XVampireX> video conf system?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:48:36] <johndraper> if this works out allright, then we want to purchase support and license.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:48:42] <johndraper> yes.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:49:07] <XVampireX> so you're going to develop a proprietary application out of this?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:49:20] <johndraper> No - Not our of this..
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:49:26] <johndraper> no - not out of this.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:49:33] <XVampireX> so out of what?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:50:04] <johndraper> Out of something else I wrote - derived from a SIP Phone I implemented for the Mac
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:50:33] <johndraper> I wrote that code myself - it uses resiprocate SIP stack and jrtplib
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:51:09] <johndraper> but I have a lot more work getting mine to work, and just assessing poasibilities of using openwengo for our proof.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:51:28] <XVampireX> Ok
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:51:39] <johndraper> Anything I do for the proof, I'm willing to share of course.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:52:16] <johndraper> I find resiprocate stack very hard to work with - as there is little to no docs on it.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:52:48] <johndraper> there is an incomplete wiki, and I changed it to build under X-Code.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:53:08] <johndraper> not the wiki - but the resipricate stack.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:53:22] <XVampireX> ok
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:53:45] <XVampireX> openwengo@wengo.com
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:53:55] <XVampireX> email there
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:54:11] <johndraper> kewl - much thanx for your help -
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:54:17] <johndraper> Where are you located at?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:54:19] <johndraper> i
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:54:26] <johndraper> I'm in LA area.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:54:28] <johndraper> And You?
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:55:14] <XVampireX> Israel
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:55:57] <johndraper> WOW - I visited Isreal once in 2000
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:56:18] <johndraper> had a lot of fun - dancing at the trance parties in elat
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:56:19] <XVampireX> Okey :)
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:56:26] <johndraper> and tel Aviv
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:56:33] <XVampireX> I'm not into trance
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:56:37] <johndraper> hope things are calm there.
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:56:51] <johndraper> that's cool - not many are... :-)
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:57:21] <XVampireX> I live not too far from Tel Aviv
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:58:11] <XVampireX> Part of that role, says Neary, is making sure Wengo developers understand they are part of a greater community. "That means that when a new person arrives in Wengo, I believe that they should get [Subversion] commit access only after going through a community approval process. I myself have not yet got SVN commit access for the Subversion repository, because I feel that I should earn it."
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:58:21] <XVampireX> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/1323213
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:59:25] <XVampireX> But it's upstream, you're free to do your own SVN :P
[Wed Apr 4 2007] [02:59:31] <XVampireX> I.E: Fork it :)