Jan 14 17:01:01 davyd kikidonk: yesJan 14 17:01:38 kikidonk davyd: look at Teh horror: http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar-p.pngJan 14 17:01:47 * Company has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Jan 14 17:01:54 kikidonk we plan to replace or at least allow both ui in deskbar appletJan 14 17:02:22 kikidonk thoughs ?Jan 14 17:02:24 davyd kikidonk: woo, you've got my thing bookmarkedJan 14 17:02:25 kikidonk thoughts ?Jan 14 17:02:30 kikidonk davyd: hehe :)Jan 14 17:02:41 kikidonk i love to see your head from time to timeJan 14 17:02:41 davyd are all the section collapses really required?Jan 14 17:02:52 davyd they look cool, but isn't it going to drive people up the wall?Jan 14 17:02:54 kikidonk no they will be open by defaultJan 14 17:03:16 davyd okJan 14 17:03:18 kikidonk well, i find it clearerJan 14 17:03:22 davyd it might be worth experimenting with remembering how they were set previouslyJan 14 17:03:26 kikidonk of course the categoriez need organizationJan 14 17:03:39 kikidonk in fact we plan on open by default/remember closed one policyJan 14 17:03:59 * davyd nodsJan 14 17:04:03 kikidonk and we will use a toggle button in the panel instead of directly the entryJan 14 17:04:17 kikidonk so it takes less space, works in vertical setup..Jan 14 17:04:20 davyd so how does the toggle button work?Jan 14 17:04:27 davyd I don't just type into the applet to show the list?Jan 14 17:04:40 kikidonk well keyboard shortcut and left click directly open/focus the entryJan 14 17:04:51 kikidonk middle click might open+paste in the entryJan 14 17:05:01 kikidonk and right click bring the applet context menuJan 14 17:05:13 * swany (~swany@h34n2fls34o1108.telia.com) has joined #gnome-hackersJan 14 17:05:22 * Company (~company@e176113043.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #gnome-hackersJan 14 17:05:26 kikidonk and the dropdown button is the history, like the browsersJan 14 17:05:35 kikidonk (look at the back button)Jan 14 17:05:41 kikidonk in epiphany, i meanJan 14 17:05:43 kikidonk or nautilusJan 14 17:06:04 davyd is this in CVS now?Jan 14 17:06:37 luis kikidonk: that hurts my eyesJan 14 17:06:38 luis :)Jan 14 17:07:01 kikidonk davyd: no, we have no time, we are in exams, but we pla to merge it right afterJan 14 17:07:06 kikidonk luis: is that good or bad :PJan 14 17:08:00 kikidonk in theory there is no change in the way it works for the user point of viewJan 14 17:08:09 davyd I quite like the way it is working in CVS, although I was confused by the change of icon from the magnifing glassJan 14 17:08:10 kikidonk click type enterJan 14 17:08:16 davyd (which I instantly associated with search)Jan 14 17:08:40 kikidonk ah yes, notice that that new icon reintroduce the magnifing glassJan 14 17:08:58 kikidonk and is prettier since it's biggerJan 14 17:09:21 davyd so, you click the arrow to slide the bar out, this is for vertical panels?Jan 14 17:09:35 kikidonk for bothJan 14 17:09:46 kikidonk but the direction will adaptJan 14 17:09:56 davyd so it will work like Apple's thingy?Jan 14 17:09:59 kikidonk the screenshot would be for a panel on the leftJan 14 17:10:14 kikidonk i don't know, i never seen it in real lifeJan 14 17:10:23 kikidonk but i guess so, from the screenshotsJan 14 17:10:28 davyd while I support that as a UI choice, would it be possible to keep the bar on your panel as an option?Jan 14 17:10:52 kikidonk yes, we wanted to have a checkbox in the preferencesJan 14 17:10:59 kikidonk to toggle old/new styleJan 14 17:11:04 kikidonk with new style as defaultJan 14 17:11:07 davyd don't call it 'old new style'Jan 14 17:11:09 kikidonk heheJan 14 17:11:15 kikidonk i know, but i need to find a wayJan 14 17:11:24 kikidonk [ ] Use entry in the panel sounds very techyJan 14 17:11:50 davyd with autoapply it should be obvious what it doesJan 14 17:12:00 kikidonk yes, but it still needs a label ?Jan 14 17:12:07 davyd [ ] Show deskbar directly on the panelJan 14 17:12:09 davyd perhaps?Jan 14 17:12:18 kikidonk yesJan 14 17:12:27 kikidonk something like that, i'll keep it handyJan 14 17:12:38 davyd so, I understand what the first button, the slider does, what does the second button do?Jan 14 17:12:41 kikidonk but the thing isJan 14 17:12:48 davyd the one that is depressed in your screenshotJan 14 17:12:48 kikidonk the second button is the historyJan 14 17:12:56 kikidonk like in web browsersJan 14 17:13:04 davyd so, you're showing the history at the moment?Jan 14 17:13:11 kikidonk available in the current while clicking with left button in the iconJan 14 17:13:29 kikidonk the screenshots show the live thingJan 14 17:13:41 davyd the history button looks depressedJan 14 17:13:44 kikidonk so the toggle ith the icon in it is the live thingJan 14 17:13:52 kikidonk and the one with the arrow is the historyJan 14 17:14:04 davyd hmm, that's not obviousJan 14 17:14:15 davyd as a suggestion, perhaps have one single toggleJan 14 17:14:28 kikidonk but we have the problem of where to trigger historyJan 14 17:14:30 davyd but then how to make the history available....Jan 14 17:14:40 kikidonk the most obvious wayJan 14 17:14:41 davyd perhaps as a dropdown to the TextEntryJan 14 17:14:47 kikidonk is to use that browser history widgetJan 14 17:14:56 davyd make it a GtkComboEntry perhapsJan 14 17:15:10 kikidonk ahJan 14 17:15:15 kikidonk not a bad ideaJan 14 17:15:22 kikidonk but it requires two clicks thenJan 14 17:15:22 * thaytan (~jan@140.Red-83-35-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-hackersJan 14 17:15:26 kikidonk one to expand the entryJan 14 17:15:31 kikidonk and another one to open the comboboxJan 14 17:15:41 davyd perhaps have a secondary mode, that if you click and hold the toggle, the history appearsJan 14 17:15:55 kikidonk in fact i see in the screenshot that the expanded panel is misaligned with the history toggle while it should align with the bottom buttonJan 14 17:16:19 kikidonk hmm, that's not very discoverableJan 14 17:16:25 kikidonk i'd say not discoverable at allJan 14 17:16:32 kikidonk since noone never hold a toggle button pressedJan 14 17:16:37 davyd yeah, it's a bit of a mac-thingJan 14 17:16:47 davyd not such a great idea for usJan 14 17:17:02 kikidonk i don't think soJan 14 17:17:17 * DonS has quit (BRB, rebooting)Jan 14 17:17:23 davyd I have wondered though, if the history on the existing applet should be available through a little down arrow on the right hand side of the appletJan 14 17:17:27 davyd and the icon should be made inertJan 14 17:17:34 kikidonk but when you see it horizontally it's clearer than the arrow is the history and the icon is the live thingJan 14 17:17:57 davyd kikidonk: I can visualise that, but it's certainly not clear verticallyJan 14 17:18:16 kikidonk maybe tweaking the margins and sizes it can be made clearerJan 14 17:18:21 * davyd builds the latest deskbar on his laptopJan 14 17:18:22 kikidonk or just by writing History in itJan 14 17:18:34 kikidonk in vertical mode we can write HistoryJan 14 17:18:49 kikidonk and for the current pplet it's an interesting ideaJan 14 17:18:55 kikidonk a bit like the current mini-commander ?Jan 14 17:19:04 davyd let me find you a pictureJan 14 17:19:10 * ross (~ross@althur.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #gnome-hackersJan 14 17:19:11 * Rupert gives channel operator status to rossJan 14 17:19:31 robtaylor lo rossJan 14 17:19:39 ross hi robtaylorJan 14 17:20:19 davyd damnit, it's 404edJan 14 17:20:26 * DonS (~Don@82-41-205-39.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #gnome-hackersJan 14 17:20:50 davyd kikidonk: not a typical GTK+ widget dropdown, but a little downwards pointing black triangle at the end of the widgetJan 14 17:21:00 davyd inside the text entryJan 14 17:21:04 kikidonk hmmJan 14 17:21:06 davyd not sure how it would lookJan 14 17:21:18 kikidonk so instead of the magnifing glass ?Jan 14 17:21:22 kikidonk or the current blue arrowJan 14 17:21:29 kikidonk a downward arrow ?Jan 14 17:21:35 davyd I think the mag glass and the blue arrow together will workJan 14 17:21:42 davyd you just need to put that into the current appletJan 14 17:21:47 kikidonk so i composite the two ?Jan 14 17:21:49 * jeroen_ (~jeroen@jeroen.xs4all.nl) has joined #gnome-hackersJan 14 17:21:53 davyd perhapsJan 14 17:21:57 davyd like in your screenshotJan 14 17:22:01 kikidonk and arrow above or under the glass ?Jan 14 17:22:04 kikidonk ah yesJan 14 17:22:07 davyd the single down arrow is confusingJan 14 17:22:13 kikidonk yesJan 14 17:22:16 kikidonk i'll do thatJan 14 17:22:31 kikidonk and by the way i implemented your featureJan 14 17:22:34 kikidonk the history completionJan 14 17:22:40 * jeroenout has quit (Ping timeout: 200 seconds)Jan 14 17:22:43 davyd yeah, I've checked it outJan 14 17:22:54 kikidonk i hope it's ok :)Jan 14 17:23:18 davyd seems to workJan 14 17:23:28 davyd I haven't rebooted in some time, is history remembered across restarts?Jan 14 17:23:31 kikidonk yes, in fact there is a little bug i just corrected in CVSJan 14 17:23:33 kikidonk yesJan 14 17:23:38 kikidonk from 0.8.7Jan 14 17:23:49 kikidonk and it's also shared between instancesJan 14 17:24:22 davyd yep, I tested thatJan 14 17:24:32 davyd there is still that xinerama screen edge problemJan 14 17:24:38 davyd I should try and take a look at that for youJan 14 17:24:48 kikidonk yes it may very well be a gtkentrycompletion problemJan 14 17:24:56 kikidonk and hopefully the new UI also fixes thatJan 14 17:25:06 kikidonk also the new UI allows easily to ellipsize textJan 14 17:25:16 kikidonk in fact there is more control since it's a plain treeviewJan 14 17:25:27 kikidonk while entrycompletion is a mere gtk hack, by having looked at the codeJan 14 17:25:55 davyd at least it's not written in Fortran ;)