Feb 16 13:07:02 <zid`> grrr i'm missing an iptables module I need
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Feb 16 13:07:04 <luke-jr_work> DJGummikuh: just use r300
Feb 16 13:07:13 <nikolavp> zid`: happens from time to time
Feb 16 13:07:13 <nikolavp> :D
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Feb 16 13:07:16 <DJGummikuh> luke-jr_work: some guy in linuxn00b told me otherwise... I heard so many voices telling me "propiertary drivers are better, dump oss ones" and "oss drivers are better, dump propietary ones"
Feb 16 13:07:19 <nikolavp> no go and recompile :)))
Feb 16 13:07:23 <DJGummikuh> luke-jr_work: I tried, had VERY strange errors then
Feb 16 13:07:28 <zid`> can I just find the cflags to make it from source so I don't have to do make modules? (Slow pc)
Feb 16 13:07:39 <DJGummikuh> luke-jr_work: when I started X and did glxinfo I got direct rendering "no"
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Feb 16 13:07:56 <DJGummikuh> then when I su from that user to that user ( joey # su joey ) direct rendering is yes
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Feb 16 13:08:00 <andreiberceanu> do i need the legacy /proc/scsi support in the kernel?
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Feb 16 13:08:05 <heimat> zid' I think you have only to compile missing modules, what has not changed won't be recompiled
Feb 16 13:08:09 <DJGummikuh> which is quite confusing and has no real help in the entire internet >.<
Feb 16 13:08:10 <nikolavp> zid`: not sure about it
Feb 16 13:08:15 <DJGummikuh> ppl in #xorg could also not help me
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Feb 16 13:08:24 <nikolavp> maybe if you were a guru you could :)
Feb 16 13:08:30 <luke-jr_work> DJGummikuh: Gentoo sucks for DRI permissions; chown youruser /dev/dri/*
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Feb 16 13:08:42 <nikolavp> compile only the module you need and then editing the modules.dep :)
Feb 16 13:08:57 <luke-jr_work> DJGummikuh: but use r300, avoid ati-drivers
Feb 16 13:09:05 <luke-jr_work> DJGummikuh: especially if you want to use AIGLX/Beryl/Compiz
Feb 16 13:09:07 <DJGummikuh> hmm... lol that solved...
Feb 16 13:09:10 <DJGummikuh> luke-jr_work: I don't want to
Feb 16 13:09:13 <DJGummikuh> I have aiglx though..
Feb 16 13:09:16 <DJGummikuh> allthough I don't want it
Feb 16 13:09:18 <luke-jr_work> either way, ati-drivers suck :p
Feb 16 13:09:21 <heimat> luke-jr_work: was it not solved by xorg.conf settings??
Feb 16 13:09:24 <Fieldy> yeah they do. badly.
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Feb 16 13:09:28 <Fieldy> last ati card i use for sure
Feb 16 13:09:33 <Fieldy> ati's support s*cks
Feb 16 13:09:33 <luke-jr_work> heimat: that's one way to solve it insecurely, I think
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Feb 16 13:09:43 <luke-jr_work> Fieldy: better than anything else
Feb 16 13:09:45 <nikolavp> Fieldy: so what do you use?
Feb 16 13:09:49 <luke-jr_work> unless you get Intel
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Feb 16 13:09:53 <nikolavp> i met some people out there having problems with ati tooo
Feb 16 13:10:12 <luke-jr_work> my Radeon X850 works great :)
Feb 16 13:10:14 <nikolavp> i use nvidia so i havent got any of those problems
Feb 16 13:10:17 <Fieldy> nikolavp: no choice but to use radeon in xorg which gives me no 3d, but ati-drivers reliably hangs my system hard
Feb 16 13:10:17 <heimat> I wish I could have something different than unichrome. this really sucks
Feb 16 13:10:19 <luke-jr_work> nVidia sucks
Feb 16 13:10:25 <Plouj> hi
Feb 16 13:10:32 <nikolavp> lol
Feb 16 13:10:34 <nikolavp> nvidia owns!
Feb 16 13:10:34 <heimat> back to hercules then ;)
Feb 16 13:10:35 <Plouj> does anyone know what [D] means in this output: http://pastebin.ca/357505 ?
Feb 16 13:10:36 <Fieldy> hopefully intel gets into gear with open drivers, though that won't help me with this laptop
Feb 16 13:10:40 <luke-jr_work> nVidia owns for 2D maybe
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Feb 16 13:10:44 <bsdfox_> luke-jr_work: you're only kidding yourself
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Feb 16 13:10:50 <luke-jr_work> Fieldy: Intel is the best on open drivers...
Feb 16 13:10:57 <doc|home> luke-jr_work: nikolavp stay on-topic please
Feb 16 13:10:57 <Plouj> bsdfox_: he's kidding me too
Feb 16 13:10:58 <bsdfox_> nvidia is a lot better than ati especially for linux
Feb 16 13:10:58 <nikolavp> luke-jr_work: it is 16mb VANTA from the legacy drivers :)
Feb 16 13:10:59 <niskel> does anyone know how to block an SSID with WPA_Supplicant?
Feb 16 13:11:11 <flazz> why doesnt fluxbox maximise properly?
Feb 16 13:11:11 <Fieldy> if it's a closed video driver i don't want it, i'll watch intel
Feb 16 13:11:32 <RobbieAB> bsf]
Feb 16 13:11:37 <hydrogen> i'm trying to get wireless to work on my dell E1705... i've setup ndiswrapper to use the driver, but iwconfig doesn't show a device
Feb 16 13:11:42 <nikolavp> flazz: you should click in the taskbar with the right button of the mouse
Feb 16 13:11:44 <luke-jr_work> Fieldy: Radeon X850 works great w/ the new r300 driver; not sure how it compares to Intel's chipsets
Feb 16 13:11:51 <nikolavp> and go to remember -> head blablabla
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Feb 16 13:11:57 <nikolavp> this solved the last time i used fluxbox
Feb 16 13:12:07 <RobbieAB> bsdfox_: ATI are better opensource than NVidia...
Feb 16 13:12:30 <doc|home> The topic here is gentoo support. Please take the graphics card conversation o #flamewars
Feb 16 13:12:33 <doc|home> *to
Feb 16 13:12:38 <nikolavp> RobbieAB: i havent met a person having problems with nvidia
Feb 16 13:12:38 <Fieldy> ok :)
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Feb 16 13:12:46 <Pithlit> SN^Vampire: I'm not registred here... sorry
Feb 16 13:12:47 <hydrogen> anyone else dealt with that?
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Feb 16 13:12:57 <nikolavp> but when you look in ati it is really different :)
Feb 16 13:13:00 <luke-jr_work> nikolavp: those who have them don't stick with nVidia long :)
Feb 16 13:13:01 <SN^Vampire> :)
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Feb 16 13:13:06 >chanserv< op #gentoo
Feb 16 13:13:06 <RobbieAB> nikolavp: NVidias binaries work very well in Gentoo...
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Feb 16 13:13:15 <hardcampa> ATI is opensource?
Feb 16 13:13:15 <andreiberceanu> guys, plz, do i need the legacy /proc/scsi support in the kernel?
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Feb 16 13:13:33 <bsdfox_> RobbieAB: that's cool. I don't have major issues running the proprietary driver
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Feb 16 13:13:48 <doc|home> you two can message me or join #gentoo-ops when you're done
Feb 16 13:13:50 <bsdfox_> and using it with nvidia hardware I get better 3d performance than any other solution available..
Feb 16 13:13:52 <Pithlit> SN^Vampire: seems like they're gone yeah... renamed maybe
Feb 16 13:13:52 <DJGummikuh> luke-jr_work: ok here is what happened
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