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<kfogel>  Just power-cycled trilussa, as it was totally unresponsive
          at the console (though it was still on).

<kfogel>  It came up, and brought me to a login prompt.  There was one
          error very early in bootup: it said "Mounting local
          filesystems: failed!" in red, but then everything else
          seemed to go okay.

<kfogel>  I haven't logged in on the console yet.

<kfogel>  (I let it boot into the same default kernel, btw.)

<kfogel>  I can't ping nor ssh into trilussa, though.

<kfogel>  I'll go try to log in at console.

<kfogel>  Hmmm.

<kfogel>  It detects the USB keyboard being plugged in and out --
          messages about USB device activity flash on the screen.

<kfogel>  But, it totally doesn't seem to hear the keyboard.  No
          reaction at all to any keystrokes.

<maxb>    kfogel: Hi.

<kfogel>  hi

<kfogel>  did you see above?

<maxb>    yes

<kfogel>  So I'm trying to decide: reboot with USB stick now?

<kfogel>  When you installed the new kernel, it should have been
          bootable under the same name as the old one, right?

<maxb>    Yes.

<kfogel>  IOW, I probably just booted your new kernel?

<maxb>    It was just a change in the debian release, not in the
          kernel version at all!

<kfogel>  Oh, the kernel didn't change?

<maxb>    Not the version - just the Debian packaging of it

<kfogel>  What I mean is, the kernel got reinstalled, sorry.

<kfogel>  And is probably not byte-for-byte the same as the old one,
          version number notwithstanding.

<maxb>    I assume the USB keyboard worked in the past?

<kfogel>  I'm just trying to figure out what is true here and what is
          not :-).

<maxb>    And it has no other keyboard interface?

<kfogel>  Yeah, we used the USB keyboard before.

<kfogel>  Well, there's a serial connection, I could try that.

<kfogel>  ooops

<maxb>    Is the bootloader aware of the USB keyboard?

<kfogel>  need 10 minutes, sorry for the interruption

<kfogel>  (back as SOON as can, sorry for delay)

<kfogel>  maybe less than 10

<maxb>    no problem,

<maxb>    I'm at home now,

<maxb>    my time is flexible

<maxb>    Wow, sanpietro can be perverse at times :-)   'polson' is
          not a member of the 'polson' group, nor is 'msussman' a
          member of the 'msussman' group.

<kfogel>  back

<kfogel>  okay, so what do you recommend?

<kfogel>  Try booting from USB stick?

<kfogel>  One detail: the USB keyboard has a forwarding USB port where
          a mouse could go in.  That mouse is not plugged in; I can't
          remember if it was before, when we were using the kbd
          successfully.

<kfogel>  Hmmm.

<kfogel>  I'm going to try connecting the serial console first, how
          does that sound?

<kfogel>  Maybe I can log in that way.  It would be nice to log in
          while the current kernel is active.

<maxb>    If you have something you can try on the serial port, that
          might work

<kfogel>  aaaargh -- the serial console's cable is wide-serial (which
          is right for sp).  Hunting for an adapter to turn it into
          narrow (9-pin?) serial now.

<maxb>    However, do we know that there is a getty on the serial
          line?

<kfogel>  No, we've never tried that with trilussa before, so we don't
          know.

<maxb>    If not, booting the keychain might get you a shell from
          which the hard disc can be mounted

<maxb>    "Mounting local filesystems: failed!" sounds a bit scary

<maxb>    I don't suppose there was any info on why it failed?

<kfogel>  No, no more info -- that was the only failure-looking thing
          I saw, and it scrolled off the screen eventually.

<kfogel>  So, no luck on the 9-pin adaptor.

<kfogel>  I think it's boot-from-usb-stick now.

<maxb>    Where was that failure? During the kernel boot?

<maxb>    Or after the boot had passed to initscripts?

<maxb>    initscripts, I presume.

<kfogel>  If it was in initscripts, it was *very* early.

<kfogel>  Btw, got to boot prompt from USB stick.  Now it's saying
          "Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:"

<kfogel>  should I type 'rescue' or anything, or just hit ENTER?

<maxb>    That being a linux bootloader prompt

<maxb>    ?

<kfogel>  It's the Debian installer prompt.

<kfogel>  The USB stick is a rescue disk, basically.

<maxb>    F1, I guess, see what options it has

<kfogel>  okay

<kfogel>  some delay as my IRC terminal is not in the same room as
          trilussa.  Running back and forth here :-).

<kfogel>  oh dude.  there are a LOT of help screens available now --
          I'm in the help tree.

<kfogel>  I think it will be better for us to outline what our plan
          is, and I'll figure out how to make that happen.

<kfogel>  What would we like to do?



<kreig   `> did yall blow it up yet?

<maxb>    Try to get a shell, I think, see if there is anything we can
          diagnose on the system.

<kfogel>  kreig`: hey, yeah, sort of.

<maxb>    If all else fails, attempt a reinstall

<kreig   `> bizzare

<kfogel>  maxb: let me summarize for kreig`, one sec

<maxb>    I've got a Debian CD booting in a spare machine so I can see
          vaguely what you are seeing now

<kfogel>  http://pastebin.ca/34804

<kfogel>  kreig`: see above

<kfogel>  maxb: okay, bbiab

<kreig   `> are you using lilo or grub?

<kreig   `> grub should be the defualt bootloader I believe

<maxb>    Whatever is on debian install cds.

<maxb>    Looks lilo-ish

<maxb>    OK, it looks like to get a shell, you boot, then choose the
          option from the menu.

<maxb>    However, on my testbox here, it won't let me mount the
          harddisc :-(

<kfogel>  kreig`: grub was default loader when I booted from hard disk

<kfogel>  From usb stick now, it's just the deb installer.

<kfogel>  maxb: So just now, I chose 'expert' boot, and then went to
          the shell prompt option, but trying 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1
          /target' fails, and same with sda2.

<kfogel>  I did make the /target dir already.

<kfogel>  Do you remember our hard drive's device name?

<kfogel>  Where is our root partition?

<kfogel>  maxb: history check: when fitz and ben did the initial
          install, they installed 'stable', right?

<kfogel>  If we have to do a full reinstall, I'm trying to think if
          it's best to just go straight to testing from the start.

<kfogel>  (I'm going to reboot now and boot default 'linux' mode from
          usb stick, instead of 'expert', see if that causes the right
          drive to be automounted somewhere.)

<maxb>    I can't get any mounting to work

<maxb>    I don't even have any standard device nodes

<kreig>   heh

<maxb>    I think we have a IDE disc, not SCSI.

<kreig>   yah

<kreig>   SATA, so ide

<kreig>   dmesg'll tell ya what ids to use

<maxb>    Yes, 'stable'. You don't get to choose that. Its not an
          option

<fitz>    shit

<fitz>    DUDE.

<fitz>    kfogel: are you plugging the keyboard into the REAR of the
          machine?

<maxb>    I tried both manually mknodding, and running "Load Installer
          components from CD" (which populated devfs with more stuff)
          -  both failed to actually let me mount my drive.

<fitz>    or the front like we did when I brought the machine over?



--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to sussman

* fitz is profoundly confused as to what the problem might be.

<kreig>   maxb: is that on your test box?

<kreig>   yah, I am confounded as well

<sussman> problem?

* sussman puts down his kippers & eggs

<kreig>   lots

<fitz>    for whatever reason, the rear USB jack doesn't work with the
          keyboad.

<fitz>    but the front one does.

<sussman> yeah, we noticed that at the office

<sussman> it's bizarre

<sussman> maybe the kernel just doesn't detect the rear jacks

<fitz>    there should be *no* problem booting this box--it worked
          easy as pie

<fitz>    sussman: remember how the 2 ethernet jacks were labelled 1,
          2

<kfogel>  you guys have seen the transcript so far?

<fitz>    and one of them said something like "net admin" or something

<kreig>   http://pastebin.ca/34804

<fitz>    I fear that when we have the net plugged into that one, the
          rear usb jacks are disabled.