Jan 25 20:48:41 --> glogo (~chatzilla@71.93.83.147) has joined #blag
Jan 25 20:48:46 <glogo> hi
Jan 25 20:49:47 * glogo what has she been doing?
Jan 25 20:50:17 * glogo blagged the laptop and loaded all kinds of goodies
Jan 25 20:50:24 <glogo> It was so easy.
Jan 25 20:50:55 <glogo> At this point no more windoze but probly have to reload it again sometime.
Jan 25 20:51:03 * glogo doesn't want to tho.
Jan 25 20:51:25 <glogo> So, I am doing a webdev project. Very small but really nasty cross browser issues.
Jan 25 20:51:36 <glogo> Anybody know if I can load netscape under blag?
Jan 25 20:52:24 <glogo> Found a really cool thing. I mean, nobody here is probably going to go for it, unless you are making a website and need it .
Jan 25 20:52:42 <glogo> But this guy in Brazil found a way to load IE for Linux.
Jan 25 20:53:09 <glogo> It was so easy to load and works great. So, that takes care of IE 5, 5.5 and 6.
Jan 25 20:53:24 <glogo> He also found out how to load 7, but I'm saving that for another day.
Jan 25 20:53:55 <glogo> So, what do I have? Moz, FF, IE x 3, Opera...
Jan 25 20:54:09 <glogo> Then I loaded KDE so I could look at everything in Konqueror.
Jan 25 20:54:31 <glogo> I heard that the Mac browser Safari is based on the Konqueror engine.
Jan 25 20:55:00 <glogo> So, that is as much as I could do today. but I wanted to try to load Netscape
Jan 25 20:55:43 <glogo> So, if anyone knows that it is definitely (not) possible, would appreciate to hear about it
Jan 25 20:56:19 <glogo> I found one website with a download, but it only mentions redhat, no fedora. Do you suppose that is a generic reference? (RH)
Jan 25 20:56:50 <glogo> Well, here I am typing away. guess I could have just posted to forum.
Jan 25 20:56:54 <glogo> Which I might do.
Jan 25 20:57:00 <glogo> But, anyway, Hello.
Jan 25 20:57:06 * glogo is in Reno still.
Jan 25 20:57:14 <jebba> netscape3 is in the repo, i believe
Jan 25 20:57:18 <jebba> that's ancient stuff though.
Jan 25 20:57:27 <jebba> good to "see" you, btw
Jan 25 20:57:27 <glogo> wow, hi jebba
Jan 25 20:57:34 <glogo> same, same to you
Jan 25 20:57:39 <jebba> safari is based on konqueror bits
Jan 25 20:57:49 <jebba> khtml
Jan 25 20:57:49 <glogo> yeah, that's what I gather
Jan 25 20:57:53 <glogo> k?
Jan 25 20:58:08 <jebba> kde=khtml
Jan 25 20:58:12 <jebba> konqueror bits
Jan 25 20:58:30 <glogo> okay. Well, ah so...
Jan 25 20:58:50 <glogo> Well, I found this site and downloaded this tar.gz
Jan 25 20:59:11 <jebba> ah, a netscape.tar.gz is probably some ancient stuff...
Jan 25 20:59:15 <glogo> netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-sea.tar.gz
Jan 25 20:59:24 <jebba> i wouldn't touch it ;)
Jan 25 20:59:29 <glogo> righto
Jan 25 20:59:38 <jebba> apt-get install netscape3
Jan 25 20:59:47 <glogo> ah, okay, gotcha
Jan 25 20:59:52 <jebba> that's all you need if you want it. but again, it's so ancient, no one is using it
Jan 25 21:00:19 <glogo> well, that's the thing. do you suppose there is a way to load a newer one?
Jan 25 21:00:37 * glogo does not want to have to boot windos again
Jan 25 21:00:39 <jebba> i didn't know there was a newer one
Jan 25 21:00:48 <jebba> it's what firefox is, basically.
Jan 25 21:00:52 <glogo> oh, sorry, mixed up terms
Jan 25 21:00:55 <jebba> or seamonkey (what was mozilla)
Jan 25 21:00:58 <glogo> I actually mean the navigator
Jan 25 21:01:20 <jebba> ya, the latest iteration of navigator is seamonkey
Jan 25 21:01:32 <glogo> well, nav 7 under windows sure as heck does not render the page the same as any of the above
Jan 25 21:01:38 <glogo> In my experience
Jan 25 21:01:39 <jebba> nav 7?
Jan 25 21:01:40 <jebba> hmm.
Jan 25 21:01:42 <glogo> um
Jan 25 21:01:51 <glogo> I don't know. Maybe mixed up here.
Jan 25 21:02:01 <glogo> too much late night work on this darned project
Jan 25 21:02:31 <jebba> i'd just focus on MSIE and firefox/seamonkey and khtml (konq safari) and you basically have it covered.
Jan 25 21:03:16 <jebba> ah, i guess there still is a netscape release that's not free. Odd.
Jan 25 21:03:27 <glogo> yeah, well, there were some quirks in nav. but my system bombed finally and I just decided to get rid of the
Jan 25 21:03:33 <glogo> windows finally
Jan 25 21:03:49 <glogo> Um, I don't know, I guess it came with my laptop
Jan 25 21:04:00 <glogo> I never bothered about it too much.
Jan 25 21:04:04 <jebba> well its definitely fallen into some serious obscurity. AOL may still be using it, if anyone actually.
Jan 25 21:04:24 <glogo> Well, I think I am going to just try to do as you say and not worry too much about it.
Jan 25 21:05:01 * glogo spent hours trying to fix quirks of nav lately
Jan 25 21:05:17 <glogo> all in the great scheme of things a learning experience
Jan 25 21:05:24 <glogo> Btw, I really do love this distro.
Jan 25 21:05:32 <glogo> It just keeps getting better and easier to work with.
Jan 25 21:05:32 <jebba> thx :)
Jan 25 21:05:40 <glogo> THANKS to you!
Jan 25 21:05:58 <jebba> np....
Jan 25 21:06:24 <glogo> You're just saying that. You spend hours and hours and weeks etc.
Jan 25 21:06:52 <glogo> Anyway. Okay. Seamonkey it is. Um, if i want to use the Konqueror, do I have to end the session?
Jan 25 21:07:29 <glogo> Guess it is not quite as bad as rebooting
Jan 25 21:08:00 <jebba> you can just `apt-get install konqueror` and then run it.
Jan 25 21:08:16 <jebba> it'll take awhile to launch and huge a big chunk of RAM though since it will load all the KDE libraries too
Jan 25 21:08:28 <glogo> um. I did that. I mean I apt-getted kdebase etc.
Jan 25 21:08:28 <jebba> it'll have to install a whole bunch of other KDE dependencies too
Jan 25 21:08:36 <glogo> um, oh no, I did it in synaptic
Jan 25 21:08:43 <jebba> just apt-get konqueror will get what you need.
Jan 25 21:08:50 <jebba> synaptic=apt-get basically
Jan 25 21:08:59 <glogo> ah, okay, then I can unistall kdebase?
Jan 25 21:09:05 <glogo> No, I think it needs all that stuff
Jan 25 21:09:09 <jebba> no, you need kdebase for konqueror
Jan 25 21:09:15 <jebba> well, i'd assume
Jan 25 21:09:26 <glogo> Well, in gnome, when you try to open kde from the apps menu, nothing happens
Jan 25 21:09:31 <jebba> if you install konqueror, just type konqueror.
Jan 25 21:09:40 <glogo> so, I guess over the command line, yeah
Jan 25 21:10:13 <glogo> kool
Jan 25 21:10:13 <jebba> you don't "open kde" you just run konqueror. It should appear in the menu too, but i'm not certain.
Jan 25 21:10:14 <glogo> it works.
Jan 25 21:10:32 <glogo> yeah, it's in the ui, but it doesnt open anything.
Jan 25 21:10:41 <glogo> but that's okay. long as it works somehow.
Jan 25 21:10:45 <jebba> ok
Jan 25 21:11:44 <glogo> great
Jan 25 21:12:02 <glogo> That pretty much covers all the bases
Jan 25 21:12:35 <glogo> Btw, anyone know why in the chatzilla and in FF you type along and suddenly the window is not active?
Jan 25 21:12:44 <glogo> Or the typing jumps to another position?
Jan 25 21:12:53 <glogo> the cursor I mean.
Jan 25 21:13:04 <glogo> Well, maybe that's a FF issue.
Jan 25 21:13:11 <jebba> 1 sec
Jan 25 21:13:17 <glogo> But one thing is strange. It's this deer park.
Jan 25 21:13:35 * glogo tried to load a different theme, but it won't load.
Jan 25 21:15:03 <jebba> you working on a laptop with a touchpad? that can cause the cursor to jump...
Jan 25 21:15:13 <glogo> yeah,
Jan 25 21:15:25 <glogo> this is probably when you brush up against it?
Jan 25 21:15:37 <glogo> it's kind of a pain
Jan 25 21:16:20 <jebba> ya, when you brush the trackpad, it moves the mouse....
Jan 25 21:16:26 <glogo> I would even love to be able to deactivate it briefly.
Jan 25 21:16:52 * glogo has an external mouse. never use the touch pad
Jan 25 21:17:18 <glogo> Actually, I almost never use it. I find it to constricting.
Jan 25 21:17:43 <jebba> ya, you can disable it. I don't know how offhand, actually. Sounds like a stevo32 question ;)
Jan 25 21:17:54 <glogo> Do you think I could? Great!
Jan 25 21:18:07 <glogo> It's really drain. Just bugs me.
Jan 25 21:18:12 <jebba> ya, you certainly can
Jan 25 21:18:18 <glogo> kool
Jan 25 21:18:36 <glogo> But that is actually the least of my worries.
Jan 25 21:18:49 <glogo> I have as yet found a way to get this broadcom wifi working.
Jan 25 21:19:05 * glogo tried ndiswrapper and fxcutter-butter-whatter.
Jan 25 21:19:11 <glogo> none of it worked.
Jan 25 21:19:14 <jebba> skip ndiswrapper
Jan 25 21:19:27 <glogo> yeah, that's what I figured
Jan 25 21:19:54 <jebba> the bwcutter or whatever it is should work though, assuming you have the "right" card
Jan 25 21:20:11 <jebba> and put the firmware in the right place /MAKE SURE YOUR CARD IS ON/ and voila
Jan 25 21:20:42 <jebba> lots of times laptops have a switch to turn off wifi, people spend all day working on wifi, just to found out the switch was turned off!
Jan 25 21:20:54 <jebba> don't complicate things with ndiswrapper as it can be done without it
Jan 25 21:20:59 <glogo> lol
Jan 25 21:21:07 <glogo> yeah, I did that once too.
Jan 25 21:21:11 <jebba> (well, assuming you have a compatible broadcom, but i think they "all" are now)
Jan 25 21:21:14 <glogo> But, that was in windows.
Jan 25 21:21:37 <glogo> Well, You know. I don't know. I downloaded the latest driver from hip
Jan 25 21:21:38 <glogo> hp
Jan 25 21:22:00 <glogo> and on the web there are plenty who have this one working in ix
Jan 25 21:22:04 <glogo> 4318
Jan 25 21:22:16 <glogo> So, eventually, it should work.
Jan 25 21:22:35 <glogo> Nothing happens when i try to turn on the hardware, tho.
Jan 25 21:22:56 <glogo> Once I got it that far that the little blue light came on, but it still did not want to work.
Jan 25 21:23:06 <glogo> That was the last time I loaded
Jan 25 21:23:13 * glogo has reblagged since.
Jan 25 21:23:14 <jebba> well, if you have it now i could help you.
Jan 25 21:23:25 <glogo> do you have time?
Jan 25 21:23:27 <jebba> re fwcutter the thing, if you want those bits...
Jan 25 21:23:29 <glogo> that would be great
Jan 25 21:23:35 <jebba> well, we could give it a shot now.
Jan 25 21:23:39 <jebba> should be quick actually ;)
Jan 25 21:23:50 <glogo> well, listen. I have this exe file with the driver.
Jan 25 21:23:58 <glogo> let me see. It is here somewhere.
Jan 25 21:24:09 <glogo> I don't know which one it is, tho.. darn
Jan 25 21:24:28 <glogo> oh rats. I'll just go to the hp site and get the latest one.
Jan 25 21:24:36 <jebba> read this file:
Jan 25 21:24:38 <jebba> /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter-005/README.Fedora
Jan 25 21:24:39 <jebba> and do that
Jan 25 21:25:06 <glogo> okay
Jan 25 21:25:53 <jebba> (note this ain't free software, yada yada)
Jan 25 21:26:39 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:30:07 <glogo> no such file
Jan 25 21:30:22 <glogo> okay, looking it up.
Jan 25 21:30:47 <jebba> part of this package bcm43xx-fwcutter
Jan 25 21:31:20 <glogo> oh, can I just apt-get that?
Jan 25 21:31:50 * glogo searching
Jan 25 21:32:45 <glogo> it seems I have it installed already, but I don't see the doc on it.
Jan 25 21:34:13 <glogo> it was version 4....
Jan 25 21:34:16 <glogo> will that work too?
Jan 25 21:34:37 * glogo found the doc.
Jan 25 21:35:46 <glogo> btw jebba, I did all sorts of stuff with that ndiswrapper and modprobe and all yesterday. Do I have to clear out any of these directories first?
Jan 25 21:36:25 <jebba> well, you'll want to remove it from /etc/modprobe.conf if it's htere.
Jan 25 21:36:34 <glogo> okay...
Jan 25 21:36:36 <glogo> let me see.
Jan 25 21:36:38 <jebba> not sure what version 4 you're talking about. Is this blag 50k or 60k?
Jan 25 21:36:49 <glogo> bcm etc. 004...
Jan 25 21:36:56 <glogo> not 005
Jan 25 21:36:56 <jebba> you could also `/sbin/lsmod` and see if any ndiswrapper stuff is in there
Jan 25 21:37:04 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:37:11 <jebba> 50k or 60k?
Jan 25 21:37:20 <glogo> 50k
Jan 25 21:37:38 <jebba> should be fine
Jan 25 21:37:49 <glogo> k , what am I looking for in lsmod?
Jan 25 21:38:20 <glogo> bcm43xx is there.
Jan 25 21:39:04 <glogo> it's in modprobe.conf too.
Jan 25 21:39:40 <jebba> you got anything in /lib/firmware?
Jan 25 21:40:00 <jebba> you're looking to make sure no ndiswrapper stuff is there and it sounds like it's not
Jan 25 21:40:06 <glogo> um. I was just going to cut that line out of modprobe.conf. Can I do that?
Jan 25 21:40:32 <jebba> cut what line out?
Jan 25 21:40:48 <glogo> alias eth1 bcm43xx etc
Jan 25 21:41:00 <jebba> no...
Jan 25 21:41:03 <jebba> that's the one you want...
Jan 25 21:41:17 <jebba> bcm43xx is your wireless card driver
Jan 25 21:41:18 <glogo> okay.
Jan 25 21:41:22 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:41:25 <jebba> you got anything in /lib/firmware?
Jan 25 21:41:33 <glogo> 1 sec
Jan 25 21:41:54 <glogo> no nothing
Jan 25 21:42:36 <jebba> ok, then do the fwcutter thing as listed in the READMEs
Jan 25 21:43:05 <glogo> um, do you think I can use just any bcmwl5? or should I get the last one.?
Jan 25 21:43:19 <jebba> uh, not sure.
Jan 25 21:43:25 <jebba> check the READMEs....
Jan 25 21:43:35 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:45:56 <glogo> it says it should not matter that much which one I use...
Jan 25 21:46:03 <jebba> ok
Jan 25 21:46:24 * glogo looking for the disc with the old driver on it.
Jan 25 21:51:26 <glogo> okay, extracted to lib/firmware...
Jan 25 21:52:39 <jebba> ok.
Jan 25 21:52:47 <jebba> try:
Jan 25 21:52:53 <jebba> (instead of rebooting):
Jan 25 21:52:58 <jebba> /sbin/rmmod bcm43xx
Jan 25 21:53:02 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:53:05 <jebba> then:
Jan 25 21:53:07 <glogo> as root?
Jan 25 21:53:09 <jebba> ya
Jan 25 21:53:13 <jebba> then:
Jan 25 21:53:19 <jebba> /sbin/modprobe bcm43xx
Jan 25 21:53:29 <jebba> then: iwconfig eth1
Jan 25 21:53:36 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:53:39 <glogo> it went
Jan 25 21:53:44 <glogo> one moment
Jan 25 21:53:53 <-- ewl has quit (Quit: I've got to go...)
Jan 25 21:54:44 <glogo> Warning: Driver for device eth1 has been compiled with version 20
Jan 25 21:54:45 <glogo> of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 19.
Jan 25 21:55:04 <glogo> I got that the last time I went through this, too...
Jan 25 21:55:05 <glogo> sadly.
Jan 25 21:55:20 <glogo> Which is not to say all hope is lost.
Jan 25 21:55:36 <jebba> that doesn't matter at all actually.
Jan 25 21:55:42 <glogo> great.
Jan 25 21:55:47 <jebba> so?
Jan 25 21:55:51 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 ?
Jan 25 21:55:53 <glogo> No little blue light.
Jan 25 21:56:07 <glogo> ja, that is what I just did.
Jan 25 21:56:13 <jebba> and nothingin?
Jan 25 21:56:18 <glogo> no light.
Jan 25 21:56:26 <jebba> well, i meant from iwconfig eth1
Jan 25 21:56:33 * glogo punches the button again
Jan 25 21:56:44 <jebba> do what i say, not what you think ;)
Jan 25 21:56:44 <glogo> yeah, It told me that it might be broken.
Jan 25 21:56:49 <jebba> that's it?
Jan 25 21:56:53 <glogo> um
Jan 25 21:56:55 <glogo> okay,
Jan 25 21:57:04 * glogo is willing to do anything you say...
Jan 25 21:57:17 <jebba> well, i meant from iwconfig eth1
Jan 25 21:57:37 <glogo> should I flood?
Jan 25 21:57:44 <glogo> Warning: Driver for device eth1 has been compiled with version 20
Jan 25 21:57:45 <glogo> of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 19.
Jan 25 21:57:46 <jebba> but without punching buttons cuz you may have turned it off. The light may not come on if it's not associated (but the driver could be loaded))
Jan 25 21:57:47 <glogo> Some things may be broken...
Jan 25 21:57:48 <glogo> eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"" Nickname:"localhost.localdomain"
Jan 25 21:57:50 <glogo> Mode:Managed Access Point: Invalid Bit Rate=1 Mb/s
Jan 25 21:57:51 <glogo> RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Jan 25 21:57:53 <glogo> Encryption key:off
Jan 25 21:57:55 <glogo> Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Jan 25 21:57:56 <glogo> Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Jan 25 21:57:58 <glogo> Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
Jan 25 21:57:59 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:58:10 <jebba> ok. looks ok.
Jan 25 21:58:16 <jebba> so, what's the ESSID of your network?
Jan 25 21:58:23 <glogo> ESSID?
Jan 25 21:58:28 <glogo> got me...
Jan 25 21:58:37 <jebba> the "network name" or sometihng. Well, what's the wireless device you connect to?
Jan 25 21:58:43 <jebba> like "linksys" or something.
Jan 25 21:58:46 <glogo> um. uncinus... or somethign
Jan 25 21:59:01 <weyasey_Away> do iwlist eth1 scan
Jan 25 21:59:03 <glogo> pretty sure it's uncinus
Jan 25 21:59:05 <jebba> uncinus? huh? that the ESSID or the name of the hardware or what?
Jan 25 21:59:10 <jebba> thanks weyasey_Away
Jan 25 21:59:12 <jebba> run this:
Jan 25 21:59:16 <jebba> /sbin/iwlist eth1 scan
Jan 25 21:59:17 <glogo> no, the guy who set it up is polish
Jan 25 21:59:21 <glogo> k
Jan 25 21:59:48 <glogo> eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
Jan 25 22:00:14 <jebba> ok. you may have some other cruft going. Run this:
Jan 25 22:00:19 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth1
Jan 25 22:00:23 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth1
Jan 25 22:00:24 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:00:46 <jebba> (also, is this the computer you're on right now or another one? Cuz we may lose you if it's this one!)
Jan 25 22:01:17 <glogo> Determining IP information for eth1... failed; no link present. Check cable?
Jan 25 22:01:26 <glogo> no, the router is on another machine.
Jan 25 22:01:43 <glogo> this is the same message I have gotten a hundred or so times before.
Jan 25 22:01:44 <jebba> the router? I mean which machine has the wifi card?
Jan 25 22:01:54 <glogo> wifi? here on the laptop?
Jan 25 22:02:20 <glogo> the wireless router is this airforce one thing on a pc in the other room
Jan 25 22:02:22 <jebba> ok. i think i get you now.
Jan 25 22:02:47 <jebba> Your eth1 isn't set up as wireless. Edit this file: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:02:52 <jebba> and make sure there is a line:
Jan 25 22:02:54 <jebba> TYPE=Wireless
Jan 25 22:03:25 <jebba> If it says "TYPE=Ethernet" change that to "Wireless" (there are GUI ways to do this, but i don't use them so i don't know them, sorry)
Jan 25 22:04:05 <glogo> file does not exist...
Jan 25 22:04:14 <glogo> should I copy eth0 and make a new one?
Jan 25 22:04:47 <glogo> It should exist tho. or maybe not. I was calling the alias wlan0 last time I tried this...
Jan 25 22:05:20 <jebba> wait.
Jan 25 22:05:23 <glogo> ah, I am editing the other file... wlan0
Jan 25 22:05:27 <jebba> did you:
Jan 25 22:05:34 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth1 ?
Jan 25 22:05:48 <glogo> It already says type wireless tho.
Jan 25 22:06:01 <glogo> I did that in the network gui yesterday.
Jan 25 22:06:04 <jebba> please don't get ahead of me.
Jan 25 22:06:11 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:06:17 <jebba> i'm gonna be mean: don't think, do what i say
Jan 25 22:06:21 <glogo> yes, I did that already.
Jan 25 22:06:24 <jebba> this is getting very confusing for me to follow
Jan 25 22:06:33 <glogo> that is when it said that it could not find the 'cable'.
Jan 25 22:06:50 <glogo> okay
Jan 25 22:07:04 <glogo> I did ifdown then ifup.
Jan 25 22:07:22 <glogo> like you said, then it returned that there is no such thing... hang on.
Jan 25 22:07:23 <jebba> and it said "no cable" basically. If it said that, there has to be a:
Jan 25 22:07:31 <jebba> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:07:40 <glogo> right, that is what it is saying for the last month
Jan 25 22:07:50 <glogo> ah, but there isn't
Jan 25 22:07:56 <jebba> ok
Jan 25 22:07:58 <jebba> then:
Jan 25 22:08:07 <jebba> mv /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wifi0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:08:14 <jebba> then gimme the output of:
Jan 25 22:08:18 <jebba> cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:08:29 <glogo> um if I do that will I lose eth0?
Jan 25 22:08:36 <jebba> no
Jan 25 22:08:37 <glogo> cuz we're chatting on eth0 right now.
Jan 25 22:08:46 <jebba> you're just touching wifi0
Jan 25 22:08:50 <glogo> oh, doees mv just copy then?
Jan 25 22:08:54 <jebba> this isn't starting/stopping anything
Jan 25 22:09:02 <jebba> mv "moves" (renames)
Jan 25 22:09:11 <glogo> no. I think eth0 is the hard cable.
Jan 25 22:09:24 <jebba> well, I didn't say eth0 anywhere above.
Jan 25 22:09:29 <jebba> i said wifi0 and eth1
Jan 25 22:09:33 <glogo> sorry jebba,
Jan 25 22:09:38 <glogo> this is really confusing to me...
Jan 25 22:09:44 <jebba> that's fine
Jan 25 22:09:44 * glogo takes a deep breath.
Jan 25 22:09:50 <jebba> just do what i say and dont' think about it ;)
Jan 25 22:09:56 <glogo> okay.
Jan 25 22:10:51 <jebba> Recap (after the discussion...):
Jan 25 22:10:55 <jebba> mv /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wifi0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:10:58 <jebba> cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:11:09 <glogo> it can't find the file. hang on
Jan 25 22:11:29 <jebba> my bad: correctoin:
Jan 25 22:11:34 <jebba> mv /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:11:53 <jebba> (if it can't find the file or you get an error, just report the error or whatever, don't try to "fix" it )
Jan 25 22:12:47 <glogo> it seems to have worked
Jan 25 22:12:52 <jebba> cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:13:01 <jebba> and paste here please (the output of `cat....`
Jan 25 22:13:12 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:13:29 <glogo> ah, here in chat client... wait
Jan 25 22:13:34 <glogo> cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
Jan 25 22:13:44 <glogo> no, not like that. um
Jan 25 22:14:31 <glogo> Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt
Jan 25 22:14:32 <glogo> # for the documentation of these parameters.
Jan 25 22:14:32 <jebba> you can highlight it with the mouse then "center click" in xchat's input line to paste it here.
Jan 25 22:14:34 <glogo> ONBOOT=no
Jan 25 22:14:35 <glogo> USERCTL=no
Jan 25 22:14:37 <glogo> IPV6INIT=no
Jan 25 22:14:38 <glogo> PEERDNS=yes
Jan 25 22:14:40 <glogo> TYPE=Wireless
Jan 25 22:14:41 <glogo> DEVICE=eth1
Jan 25 22:14:43 <glogo> HWADDR=00:14:a5:bd:9d:8f
Jan 25 22:14:45 <glogo> BOOTPROTO=dhcp
Jan 25 22:14:46 <glogo> NETMASK=
Jan 25 22:14:48 <glogo> DHCP_HOSTNAME=
Jan 25 22:14:49 <glogo> IPADDR=
Jan 25 22:14:51 <glogo> DOMAIN=
Jan 25 22:14:52 <glogo> ESSID=Auto
Jan 25 22:14:54 <glogo> CHANNEL=1
Jan 25 22:14:55 <glogo> MODE=Managed
Jan 25 22:14:57 <glogo> RATE=Auto
Jan 25 22:14:58 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:15:14 <jebba> ok, the CHANNEL=1 thing is the only thing that ain't perfect.
Jan 25 22:15:28 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:15:59 <jebba> anyway, for kicks do this. And if you lose 'net connectivity, run these commands to come back here (these are the "recovery commands" you can note. A reboot will do the same):
Jan 25 22:16:03 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth1
Jan 25 22:16:08 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth0
Jan 25 22:16:12 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth0
Jan 25 22:16:39 <jebba> Those three lines will shut down wifi, and bring up ethernet if you ever get dropped, ok?
Jan 25 22:16:58 <glogo> okay. um. I think this will lose my connection but what the hay....
Jan 25 22:17:13 <jebba> If you run the above you won't lose the connection, it will bring it back.
Jan 25 22:17:20 <glogo> ah,
Jan 25 22:17:21 <glogo> okay.
Jan 25 22:17:34 <jebba> These commands may drop your connection depending on how things are set up. But lets give it a try to see where you're at:
Jan 25 22:17:40 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth1
Jan 25 22:17:43 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth1
Jan 25 22:17:51 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:18:20 <glogo> eth1 failed, no link etc.
Jan 25 22:18:39 <jebba> hmm, with Type=Wireless. Odd.
Jan 25 22:18:42 * glogo doing eth0?
Jan 25 22:18:47 <jebba> no, don't touch eth0
Jan 25 22:18:52 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:18:54 <jebba> (unless you lose us here)
Jan 25 22:18:58 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:19:00 <jebba> (then you do those 3 lines above)
Jan 25 22:19:06 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:19:35 <jebba> have you rebooted this thing since you were doing ndiswrapper stuff?
Jan 25 22:19:43 <glogo> ja
Jan 25 22:19:49 <glogo> coupla times
Jan 25 22:19:57 <jebba> and there's no ndiswapper stuff in /etc/modprobe.conf?
Jan 25 22:19:59 <glogo> I think. Could try it again tho.
Jan 25 22:20:05 <weyasey_Away> check the HWADDR
Jan 25 22:20:10 <glogo> moment.
Jan 25 22:20:44 <glogo> alias eth0 8139too
Jan 25 22:20:45 <glogo> alias eth1 bcm43xx
Jan 25 22:20:47 <glogo> alias snd-card-0 snd-atiixp
Jan 25 22:20:48 <glogo> options snd-card-0 index=0
Jan 25 22:20:50 <glogo> options snd-atiixp index=0
Jan 25 22:20:51 <glogo> remove snd-atiixp { /usr/sbin/alsactl store 0 >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sb$
Jan 25 22:21:58 <jebba> glogo: /sbin/ifconfig eth1
Jan 25 22:22:28 <glogo> eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:A5:BD:9D:8F
Jan 25 22:22:30 <glogo> BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
Jan 25 22:22:31 <glogo> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
Jan 25 22:22:33 <glogo> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
Jan 25 22:22:34 <glogo> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
Jan 25 22:22:36 <glogo> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Jan 25 22:22:37 <glogo> Interrupt:225 Base address:0x4000
Jan 25 22:23:10 <jebba> weyasey_Away, HWADDR matches
Jan 25 22:23:21 <weyasey_Away> k
Jan 25 22:23:25 <jebba> glogo, and you have files in /lib/firmware now, correct ?
Jan 25 22:23:33 <glogo> correct
Jan 25 22:23:41 <glogo> a whole bunch of them.
Jan 25 22:23:48 <weyasey_Away> lsmod
Jan 25 22:24:21 <weyasey_Away> lsmod | grep bcw
Jan 25 22:24:23 <glogo> bcm43xx 420801 0
Jan 25 22:24:57 <jebba> /sbin/rmmod bcm43xx
Jan 25 22:25:11 <jebba> then gimme the output of: `dmesg | tail -3`
Jan 25 22:25:44 <glogo> bcm43xx: Microcode rev 0x13f, pl 0x66 (2005-10-15 22:46:19)
Jan 25 22:25:46 <glogo> bcm43xx: Firmware: no support for microcode rev > 0x128
Jan 25 22:25:47 <glogo> bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-1)
Jan 25 22:26:23 <jebba> ah, well whatever firmware you have doesn't work.
Jan 25 22:26:31 <jebba> grab the one listed in the README
Jan 25 22:26:37 <glogo> well, I guessed that already... lol...
Jan 25 22:26:46 <glogo> there is none in the read me...
Jan 25 22:26:53 <glogo> wait....
Jan 25 22:27:29 <jebba> (note, this /could/ work out-of-the-box if broadcom would want it to...)
Jan 25 22:27:30 <glogo> it says there arre links , but I can't find any...
Jan 25 22:27:32 <jebba> check:
Jan 25 22:27:33 <jebba> /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter-005/README
Jan 25 22:27:48 <jebba> see if there's an HP one or wherever your laptop is from
Jan 25 22:28:27 <glogo> Jebba I have 004 of this, not 005 ...
Jan 25 22:28:40 <glogo> maybe I could get the other fwcutter-005?
Jan 25 22:28:43 <jebba> /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter-004/README
Jan 25 22:29:02 <glogo> right, well in that readme there is not much...
Jan 25 22:29:11 <glogo> just a few sentences really.
Jan 25 22:29:36 <glogo> How about this? Can I start thinking again jebba?
Jan 25 22:30:05 <glogo> If I am allowed to think again, I could get the idea to try another trick...
Jan 25 22:30:21 <glogo> but I am still in "do what jebba says" mode... lol
Jan 25 22:30:21 <jebba> no. no thinking
Jan 25 22:30:26 <glogo> LOL
Jan 25 22:30:28 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:30:47 <jebba> cuz i don't think you're looking at the right file. Look at this one. It is certainly more than a few lines lone:
Jan 25 22:30:48 <jebba> cuz i don't think you're looking at the right file. Look at this one. It is certainly more than a few lines long:
Jan 25 22:30:57 <jebba> /BLAG/50k/usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter-004/README
Jan 25 22:30:57 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:30:59 <jebba> whoops
Jan 25 22:31:04 <jebba> /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter-004/README
Jan 25 22:32:06 <glogo> okay!
Jan 25 22:33:44 <glogo> Okay, sorry Jebba for thinking again, but I have the latest driver from HP on my desktop right now in an .exe file. In this file /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter-004/README, the same links are listed, but they are for older drivers.
Jan 25 22:34:07 <glogo> Should we not just use the one I had? I had it installed yesterday on this machine, before I killed windows and it was working.
Jan 25 22:34:10 <jebba> grab the older one listed in the README
Jan 25 22:34:15 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:35:42 <jebba> you getting it? si?
Jan 25 22:39:21 <glogo> yes, there are 4 listed. I got three of them
Jan 25 22:39:27 <glogo> just in case
Jan 25 22:40:16 <jebba> huh? 4 listed? I see only one from HP
Jan 25 22:40:25 <glogo> no, there are four.
Jan 25 22:40:32 <glogo> actually only 3 will download.
Jan 25 22:40:58 <jebba> from hp?
Jan 25 22:41:16 <glogo> ah sorry, from compaq, it's a presario.
Jan 25 22:41:25 <glogo> but I think it's the same company or something....
Jan 25 22:41:45 <jebba> ok.
Jan 25 22:41:53 <jebba> so run this:
Jan 25 22:42:00 <jebba> rm -f /lib/firmware/*
Jan 25 22:42:02 <glogo> anyway, we have 3 to play with...
Jan 25 22:42:05 <glogo> okay,
Jan 25 22:42:07 <jebba> then the fwcutter command.
Jan 25 22:42:22 <jebba> then check that there are files in /lib/firmware if so, then:
Jan 25 22:42:24 <glogo> don't I have to unpack these or something?
Jan 25 22:42:27 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth1
Jan 25 22:42:34 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth1
Jan 25 22:43:12 <glogo> okay firmware is clean...
Jan 25 22:43:41 <glogo> uh, like I said, you have to have time...
Jan 25 22:44:27 <jebba> firmware is clean? You run the fwcutter on the files you downloaded and check /lib/firmware ?
Jan 25 22:44:57 <glogo> um, I had to unpack them. it unpacked somewherein the wine folder.
Jan 25 22:45:04 * glogo went fishing...
Jan 25 22:45:16 <jebba> wha?t//dafsadfa
Jan 25 22:45:32 <jebba> you're running wine and unpacking these things and stuff?
Jan 25 22:45:34 <glogo> .exe. don't I have to run that to unpack that stuff?
Jan 25 22:45:53 <glogo> sorry. it's an exe. can I run the cutter on that too?
Jan 25 22:46:24 <jebba> bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware <FOO> where <FOO> == the file you downloaded
Jan 25 22:46:36 <jebba> don't do wine and all that stuff. please, don't do anything i don't say.
Jan 25 22:46:43 <glogo> jebba, I'm really nott smart about this... okay
Jan 25 22:46:48 <glogo> hang on...
Jan 25 22:46:49 <jebba> you don't have to be.
Jan 25 22:47:51 <glogo> Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by bcm43xx-fwcutter.
Jan 25 22:47:53 <glogo> I can't find the MD5sum c290b839df918d273f5c18c1480bb6ab :(
Jan 25 22:48:24 <glogo> result of bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /home/glogo/Desktop/sp28198.exe
Jan 25 22:49:37 <jebba> try the other ones (it /may/ be that you have to unpack these first in wine! but lets stay together here)
Jan 25 22:50:07 <glogo> everywhere on the web where it talks about doing this, you do it to the sys file....
Jan 25 22:50:15 <glogo> sorry, can't stop my brain working.
Jan 25 22:51:46 <jebba> ok.
Jan 25 22:51:58 <glogo> same result on all files.
Jan 25 22:51:59 <jebba> go ahead and extract and do it with the extracted file ;)
Jan 25 22:52:02 <jebba> ok. Ya.
Jan 25 22:52:10 <glogo> I think we will have to do that...
Jan 25 22:52:53 <jebba> It's not that i'm right or know exactly everything, it just gets really hard for me to understand unless we're on the same page, ya know? :) So if you go do sometihng and I don't know it then you do something I tell you to, we can get a bit twisted. ;)
Jan 25 22:53:52 <glogo> I know. I'm okay with that, jebba
Jan 25 22:54:04 <weyasey_Away> sorry guys got to leave for bed....would love to know the results
Jan 25 22:54:10 <jebba> ciao weyasey_Away ;)
Jan 25 22:54:15 <glogo> Okay. I unpacked it. How do I find this C:/?
Jan 25 22:54:23 <glogo> by weyasey_Away thanks
Jan 25 22:54:33 <jebba> i know /nothing/ about wine.
Jan 25 22:54:37 <glogo> okay.
Jan 25 22:54:41 <jebba> i assume it has some directory in your homedir somewhere
Jan 25 22:54:51 <glogo> ah, that could be one sec
Jan 25 22:54:53 <jebba> find /home/glogo -name "*bcm*sys"
Jan 25 22:54:55 <jebba> ?
Jan 25 22:55:03 <glogo> k
Jan 25 22:55:49 <jebba> (the company to curse all the while doing this is "Broadcom" ;)
Jan 25 22:56:29 <glogo> getting there. one sec more
Jan 25 22:57:26 <glogo> jessus, finally.
Jan 25 22:57:49 <jebba> ya, just getting the right firmware is the whole battle, acutally.
Jan 25 22:58:00 <glogo> flooding...
Jan 25 22:58:03 <jebba> now if they allowed that to be free software, it could just come with the standard kernel....
Jan 25 22:58:12 <glogo> right
Jan 25 22:58:16 <stevo32> (!)
Jan 25 22:58:19 <glogo> wanna see?
Jan 25 22:58:24 <glogo> stevo32!!!!
Jan 25 22:58:27 <stevo32> hi, i just got here. i've set this up before.
Jan 25 22:58:33 <glogo> my dear... how are you?
Jan 25 22:58:44 <glogo> great. we're floundering a bit...
Jan 25 22:58:48 <stevo32> i used bcmsys5.dll (from memory. might not be correct, but was something like that)
Jan 25 22:58:48 <jebba> stevo32, we're 99% there. I think she just got the .sys, needs to run fwcutter, then we're there.
Jan 25 22:59:06 <stevo32> i'm great, just finished all my exams. how are you, glogo?
Jan 25 22:59:13 <jebba> stevo32, wait a sec ! ;)
Jan 25 22:59:14 <glogo> fwcutter is run already....
Jan 25 22:59:16 <glogo> I'm okay.
Jan 25 22:59:17 <stevo32> jebba, alright, sounds great :)
Jan 25 22:59:17 <jebba> oh cool
Jan 25 22:59:32 <jebba> ok, now:
Jan 25 22:59:39 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth1
Jan 25 22:59:41 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth1
Jan 25 22:59:52 <jebba> (and if you lose us, use the 3 magic lines way above)
Jan 25 22:59:57 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:00:46 <glogo> blue light came on briefly. that's progress
Jan 25 23:00:50 <jebba> ya, that's fine.
Jan 25 23:00:56 <glogo> but it still can't find the 'cable'
Jan 25 23:00:58 <jebba> it often just stays on if it finds a network.
Jan 25 23:01:00 <jebba> ok. fine.
Jan 25 23:01:03 <jebba> now:
Jan 25 23:01:08 <jebba> /sbin/iwlist eth1 scan
Jan 25 23:01:13 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:01:42 <glogo> eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
Jan 25 23:01:45 <glogo> same as before
Jan 25 23:02:04 <glogo> not quite there yet, I guess.
Jan 25 23:02:10 <jebba> dmesg | tail -8 (gimme the output)
Jan 25 23:02:13 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:02:16 <jebba> Oh, and did you hit any buttons or anything?
Jan 25 23:02:27 <glogo> um, well, only after the fact.
Jan 25 23:02:43 <jebba> after which fact?
Jan 25 23:03:00 <glogo> after which fact that I can't stop being so stupid
Jan 25 23:03:14 <jebba> heh
Jan 25 23:03:15 <jebba> anyway:
Jan 25 23:03:17 <jebba> dmesg | tail -8 (gimme the output)
Jan 25 23:04:50 <glogo> sorry, was interupted.
Jan 25 23:04:53 <glogo> one sec
Jan 25 23:05:04 <glogo> bcm43xx: Radio turned off
Jan 25 23:05:05 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0200 (RX) max used slots: 1/64
Jan 25 23:05:07 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x02A0 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:05:09 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0280 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:05:10 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0260 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:05:12 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0240 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:05:13 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0220 (TX) max used slots: 2/512
Jan 25 23:05:15 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0200 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:05:23 <glogo> looks better than last time, that's for sure.
Jan 25 23:05:40 <jebba> ok. hit the button you do to turn on wifi /once/
Jan 25 23:05:43 <jebba> then:
Jan 25 23:05:50 <jebba> dmesg | tail -2 (gimme the output)
Jan 25 23:05:56 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:06:15 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:06:20 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0220 (TX) max used slots: 2/512
Jan 25 23:06:22 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0200 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:06:25 <jebba> ok:
Jan 25 23:06:46 <jebba> /sbin/rmmod bcm43xx
Jan 25 23:06:49 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:06:51 <jebba> /sbin/modprobe bcm43xx
Jan 25 23:06:56 <jebba> dmesg | tail -4
Jan 25 23:07:00 <jebba> (output of dmesg plz)
Jan 25 23:07:45 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0260 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:07:47 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0240 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:07:48 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0220 (TX) max used slots: 2/512
Jan 25 23:07:50 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0200 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:08:00 <glogo> this time it lit up and stayed on for about 3 seconds
Jan 25 23:08:08 * glogo didn't touch it.
Jan 25 23:08:29 <jebba> actually gimme more:
Jan 25 23:08:32 <jebba> dmesg | tail -8
Jan 25 23:08:41 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:09:03 <glogo> bcm43xx: Radio turned off
Jan 25 23:09:05 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0200 (RX) max used slots: 1/64
Jan 25 23:09:07 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x02A0 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:09:09 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0280 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:09:10 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0260 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:09:12 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0240 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:09:13 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0220 (TX) max used slots: 2/512
Jan 25 23:09:15 <glogo> bcm43xx: DMA-32 0x0200 (TX) max used slots: 0/512
Jan 25 23:09:28 <jebba> man, we're like inches from there.
Jan 25 23:09:39 <jebba> hell:
Jan 25 23:09:42 <jebba> dhclient eth1
Jan 25 23:09:43 <glogo> really?????
Jan 25 23:09:46 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:09:57 <jebba> well, i'm just trying to figure out why it's turned off, acutally ;0
Jan 25 23:10:31 <glogo> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.3-RedHat
Jan 25 23:10:33 <glogo> Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium.
Jan 25 23:10:35 <glogo> All rights reserved.
Jan 25 23:10:37 <glogo> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
Jan 25 23:10:38 <glogo> Listening on LPF/eth1/00:14:a5:bd:9d:8f
Jan 25 23:10:40 <glogo> Sending on LPF/eth1/00:14:a5:bd:9d:8f
Jan 25 23:10:41 <glogo> Sending on Socket/fallback
Jan 25 23:10:43 <glogo> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
Jan 25 23:10:44 <glogo> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
Jan 25 23:10:46 <glogo> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
Jan 25 23:10:47 <glogo> light is lit up....
Jan 25 23:10:52 <glogo> YEAH
Jan 25 23:11:00 <jebba> ok
Jan 25 23:11:04 <glogo> WOW
Jan 25 23:11:05 <stevo32> let it keep on going....
Jan 25 23:11:09 <jebba> basically, you're wireless card is working
Jan 25 23:11:12 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:11:14 <glogo> wow
Jan 25 23:11:18 <glogo> what a pain the behind.
Jan 25 23:11:21 <jebba> the only trick now is getting on your local network
Jan 25 23:11:27 <glogo> right
Jan 25 23:11:29 <jebba> ya, blame broadcom
Jan 25 23:11:29 <glogo> lol
Jan 25 23:11:32 <glogo> more tricks
Jan 25 23:11:36 <glogo> need them tricks
Jan 25 23:11:41 <glogo> okay!
Jan 25 23:11:47 <jebba> I'm curious about this though:
Jan 25 23:11:51 <jebba> /sbin/iwlist eth1 scan
Jan 25 23:11:54 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:12:25 <glogo> eth1 Scan completed :
Jan 25 23:12:27 <glogo> Cell 01 - Address: 00:07:40:B1:D1:04
Jan 25 23:12:29 <glogo> ESSID:"Uncinus"
Jan 25 23:12:30 <glogo> Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
Jan 25 23:12:32 <glogo> Mode:Master
Jan 25 23:12:33 <glogo> Channel:1
Jan 25 23:12:35 <glogo> Encryption key:off
Jan 25 23:12:36 <glogo> Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s
Jan 25 23:12:38 <glogo> Quality=100/100 Signal level=-175 dBm
Jan 25 23:12:39 <glogo> Extra: Last beacon: 308ms ago
Jan 25 23:12:41 <glogo> like I said, uncinus
Jan 25 23:12:49 <jebba> ok. yep. that's your network.
Jan 25 23:12:55 <jebba> anyway, you're pretty much good to go ;)
Jan 25 23:13:03 <glogo> jesus, do you think it will work at boot?
Jan 25 23:13:06 <glogo> like the other one?
Jan 25 23:13:18 <glogo> wow, you are such a gold brick!
Jan 25 23:13:21 <jebba> well, currently it's set to be disabled at boot
Jan 25 23:13:30 <glogo> okay. How to change that?
Jan 25 23:13:32 <glogo> please
Jan 25 23:14:17 <jebba> ok. Well, there are a couple ways to go about this.
Jan 25 23:14:29 <glogo> cuz I don't want to have to burst into the chat room every time I boot ...
Jan 25 23:14:43 <jebba> you can fire up the `system-config-network` thing, and make settings/changes there. Or we can do it via text, which is the way I know.
Jan 25 23:15:11 <glogo> right, well, let's do like you know.... whatayasay?
Jan 25 23:15:43 <jebba> ok. change your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 to read only:
Jan 25 23:15:45 <jebba> DEVICE=eth1
Jan 25 23:15:45 <jebba> ONBOOT=yes
Jan 25 23:15:45 <jebba> BOOTPROTO=dhcp
Jan 25 23:15:45 <jebba> TYPE=Wireless
Jan 25 23:15:54 <glogo> which reminds me.. ah, okay
Jan 25 23:16:00 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:16:12 <jebba> then you'll have to set the eth0 to ONBOOT=no (that will disable your ethernet)
Jan 25 23:16:21 <jebba> so eth0=ethernet and eth1=wifi
Jan 25 23:16:31 <glogo> that's okay. I can always enable it manually if I need to.
Jan 25 23:16:43 <jebba> Basically, at any time you can "/sbin/ifdown eth0" to turn off ethernet.
Jan 25 23:16:45 <jebba> ya, etc.
Jan 25 23:16:56 <glogo> right.
Jan 25 23:16:58 <jebba> ifdown/ifup eth0/eth1 depending on what you want up/down/
Jan 25 23:17:04 <glogo> that's sounds straightforward
Jan 25 23:17:08 <glogo> right.
Jan 25 23:17:10 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:17:13 <jebba> it's best to ifdown things then ifup the one you want
Jan 25 23:17:21 <glogo> just makes me really nervous, since this was such a bugger.
Jan 25 23:17:53 <glogo> right, but it means the darn thing is working, right? Okay.... Wow!
Jan 25 23:17:56 <jebba> basically you needed like a 500 byte freaking file from Broadcom which they think is too damn precious to allow to be free software.
Jan 25 23:17:59 <glogo> like I was about to say.
Jan 25 23:18:10 <glogo> right!
Jan 25 23:18:20 <jebba> so now you can even test it.
Jan 25 23:18:24 <jebba> actually try this again:
Jan 25 23:18:30 <jebba> /sbin/ifdown eth1
Jan 25 23:18:33 <jebba> /sbin/ifup eth1
Jan 25 23:18:41 <glogo> right
Jan 25 23:18:43 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:18:44 <jebba> (maybe the cable thing will go away now that the light is on)
Jan 25 23:19:11 <jebba> the way stevo32 and i usually do it, fwiw, is:
Jan 25 23:19:16 <glogo> It killed it.
Jan 25 23:19:22 <jebba> dhclient eth1 ...
Jan 25 23:19:32 <glogo> I guess you have to do the dhclient trick again.
Jan 25 23:19:34 <jebba> or more elaborately, we do:
Jan 25 23:19:45 <jebba> iwlist eth1 scan to find which network we want
Jan 25 23:20:01 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 essid foooooo (where fooooo is the polish name in your case)
Jan 25 23:20:06 <jebba> dhclient eth1
Jan 25 23:20:06 <glogo> dhclient fails
Jan 25 23:20:13 <jebba> that's basically all that's doing.
Jan 25 23:20:30 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:20:36 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 Uncinus (with upper U)
Jan 25 23:20:42 <jebba> then you can even:
Jan 25 23:20:51 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 to see if it's associated
Jan 25 23:21:20 <glogo> hang on..
Jan 25 23:21:23 <glogo> I got lost here.
Jan 25 23:21:28 <jebba> sorry. ;)
Jan 25 23:21:31 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 Uncinus (with upper U)
Jan 25 23:21:34 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:21:35 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 to see if it's associated
Jan 25 23:21:46 <weyasey_Away> iwconfig eth1 essid Uncinus
Jan 25 23:21:57 <jebba> weyasey_Away, is correct.
Jan 25 23:22:00 <jebba> my line should read:
Jan 25 23:22:06 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 essid Uncinus (with upper U)
Jan 25 23:22:07 <jebba> thx
Jan 25 23:22:31 <glogo> right, that does nothing....
Jan 25 23:22:57 <jebba> ya, it doesn't "do" anything that comes back. It just sets the card to that network.
Jan 25 23:23:00 <jebba> you can see it's results with:
Jan 25 23:23:06 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 to see if it's associated
Jan 25 23:23:39 <glogo> eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"" Nickname:"localhost.localdomain"
Jan 25 23:23:41 <glogo> Mode:Managed Frequency=2.484 GHz Access Point: Invalid
Jan 25 23:23:42 <glogo> Bit Rate=1 Mb/s
Jan 25 23:23:44 <glogo> RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Jan 25 23:23:45 <glogo> Encryption key:off
Jan 25 23:23:47 <glogo> Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Jan 25 23:23:49 <glogo> Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Jan 25 23:23:50 <glogo> Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
Jan 25 23:23:56 <glogo> no little blue light.
Jan 25 23:24:03 <glogo> I liked it better the last time.
Jan 25 23:24:05 <jebba> ah, when did that disappear? ;)
Jan 25 23:24:18 <glogo> when I ifdown=ed it.
Jan 25 23:24:43 <jebba> ah, ok. just do this to relight it:
Jan 25 23:24:45 <jebba> dhclient eth1
Jan 25 23:24:54 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 essid Uncinus (with upper U)
Jan 25 23:24:57 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 to see if it's associated
Jan 25 23:25:02 <glogo> did that, but it gave an error. let me try one more time?
Jan 25 23:25:11 <jebba> ya, do it anyway.
Jan 25 23:25:29 <jebba> i'm actually doing it because it seems to activate your card, not to actually get a network address yet.
Jan 25 23:25:37 <glogo> dhclient fails.
Jan 25 23:25:41 <jebba> fine.
Jan 25 23:25:43 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 essid Uncinus (with upper U)
Jan 25 23:25:46 <glogo> why? It worked a few mins ago?
Jan 25 23:25:51 <jebba> iwconfig eth1 essid Uncinus (with upper U)
Jan 25 23:25:55 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:25:59 <jebba> (you got light on right?)
Jan 25 23:26:24 <glogo> no light
Jan 25 23:26:41 * glogo didn't punch the button either.
Jan 25 23:26:43 * jebba goes slightly nuts
Jan 25 23:26:48 <jebba> i think it's when you ifdown'd it.
Jan 25 23:26:48 <glogo> right!
Jan 25 23:26:55 <glogo> ya
Jan 25 23:26:57 <jebba> lets remove the module and start agian ;)
Jan 25 23:26:59 <glogo> like I said before.
Jan 25 23:27:06 <glogo> oh gawd!
Jan 25 23:27:10 <glogo> okay why not.
Jan 25 23:27:12 <jebba> /sbin/rmmod bcm43xx
Jan 25 23:27:19 <jebba> /sbin/modprobe bcm43xx
Jan 25 23:27:21 <glogo> sheesh
Jan 25 23:27:31 <glogo> brrrrrr
Jan 25 23:27:33 <jebba> dhclient eth1 (and light goes on at this point)
Jan 25 23:27:34 <glogo> moment ....
Jan 25 23:28:05 <glogo> right
Jan 25 23:28:08 <glogo> light is on now.
Jan 25 23:28:16 <glogo> no, it went off again
Jan 25 23:28:19 <glogo> hangon.
Jan 25 23:28:29 <jebba> hangon for what? what are you doign? :)
Jan 25 23:28:39 <glogo> dhclient
Jan 25 23:28:43 <jebba> ah ok
Jan 25 23:28:43 <glogo> but it does not work
Jan 25 23:28:44 <glogo> still
Jan 25 23:29:01 <jebba> ya, i actually don't expect it to. But is the light off now?
Jan 25 23:29:06 <glogo> yes
Jan 25 23:29:20 <jebba> did it turn on when you did modprobe or when you did dhclient?
Jan 25 23:29:28 <glogo> modprobe
Jan 25 23:29:37 <glogo> then went right out
Jan 25 23:29:46 <glogo> dhclient does nothing.
Jan 25 23:29:48 <glogo> just fails
Jan 25 23:29:56 <jebba> does `iwlist eth1 scan` give any output?
Jan 25 23:30:11 <glogo> and why do I have to type /sbin/ in front of everything?
Jan 25 23:30:12 <jebba> (like where it listed your network like before)
Jan 25 23:30:22 <glogo> um?
Jan 25 23:30:24 <glogo> what?
Jan 25 23:30:24 <jebba> you don't necessarily have to if /sbin/ is in your path already
Jan 25 23:30:29 <jebba> does `iwlist eth1 scan` give any output?
Jan 25 23:30:34 <glogo> maybe not in my path huh?
Jan 25 23:30:37 <weyasey_Away> jebba: depmod -a then reboot that should fix the problem
Jan 25 23:30:43 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:30:50 <glogo> ?
Jan 25 23:30:51 <jebba> ok. do whatever weyasey_Away says now.
Jan 25 23:30:52 <jebba> ;)
Jan 25 23:30:58 * jebba taps weyasey_Away
Jan 25 23:30:58 <glogo> lol
Jan 25 23:31:16 <glogo> okay wheream I iwlist or depmod?
Jan 25 23:31:26 <jebba> (though i don't necessarily think a reboot is needed).
Jan 25 23:31:37 <glogo> depmod -a?
Jan 25 23:31:39 <jebba> weyasey_Away, you want to do the network config steps? The card is there and active
Jan 25 23:31:45 <jebba> glogo, sure depmod -a
Jan 25 23:31:49 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:31:52 <weyasey_Away> k
Jan 25 23:32:10 <jebba> weyasey_Away, you know the GUI part of it?
Jan 25 23:32:17 <glogo> it did something
Jan 25 23:32:22 <weyasey_Away> no don't use gui
Jan 25 23:33:10 <glogo> reboot?
Jan 25 23:33:14 <stevo32> glogo, sure.
Jan 25 23:33:18 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:33:21 <glogo> brb
Jan 25 23:33:24 <stevo32> it'll make a 'clean' environment for when you come back.
Jan 25 23:33:24 <weyasey_Away> k
Jan 25 23:33:31 <glogo> ciao
Jan 25 23:33:47 <jebba> ciao
Jan 25 23:33:56 <weyasey_Away> ciao
Jan 25 23:34:02 <stevo32> ciao
Jan 25 23:34:34 <stevo32> (well? go on and quit already!)
Jan 25 23:34:35 <-- glogo (~chatzilla@71.93.83.147) has left #blag
Jan 25 23:34:38 <jebba> i don't really think a reboot is necessary, but what the heck. Perhaps NetworkManager would be the easiest way for glogo ? I mean it finds networks, knows when you are on ethernet, etc....
Jan 25 23:34:53 <jebba> chkconfig --add NetworkManager
Jan 25 23:34:54 <stevo32> yeah, i'm going to suggest using that.
Jan 25 23:35:02 <jebba> /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
Jan 25 23:35:16 <jebba> weyasey_Away, what you think? You used NM?
Jan 25 23:35:25 <jebba> this is 50k, fwiw
Jan 25 23:35:32 <jebba> weyasey_Away, may be faded....
Jan 25 23:35:40 <weyasey_Away> no i don't but i hear it is easy for noobs
Jan 25 23:35:47 <jebba> stevo32, you want to take over when she comes back with NM?
Jan 25 23:35:59 <stevo32> sure, i'll tackle it.
Jan 25 23:36:09 <weyasey_Away> k
Jan 25 23:36:13 <stevo32> i've set up a bcm 43xx w/NM before, except, i didn't have any of these crazy issues.
Jan 25 23:36:22 <jebba> ya, it's pretty easy. It annoys me a bit as it tends to hop a bit if there are other networks (breaking ssh connections), but i think it's fine here.
Jan 25 23:36:31 <jebba> well, i don't think there really were any crazy issues.
Jan 25 23:36:32 <stevo32> i was also physically in front of the machine ;)
Jan 25 23:36:45 <jebba> we just downloaded a file and ran fwcutter on it. It just took 100 years to do it.
Jan 25 23:36:53 <stevo32> mmm-hmm.
Jan 25 23:37:31 * stevo32 waits & waits. i'm setting a deadline of midnight (local time) so that if it's not fixed by then, i'm going to bed ;)
Jan 25 23:37:54 <jebba> like i think it's a "straightforward" bcm43xx or whatever, it's just a bit tough to get "going". If you were in front of the box it wouldn't be so hard, ya know?
Jan 25 23:38:02 <stevo32> yeah
Jan 25 23:38:09 <weyasey_Away> tthat is what i said and it's now 4.45 am
Jan 25 23:38:31 <stevo32> heh, i'm a regular for doing that sort of stuff too ;)
Jan 25 23:38:32 <jebba> ya, i'm kinda tired now too.
Jan 25 23:38:42 <stevo32> #blag yawns...
Jan 25 23:38:56 <weyasey_Away> big yawns...from me
Jan 25 23:39:17 --- weyasey_Away is now known as weyasey
Jan 25 23:40:23 <weyasey> might as well join the battle ;)
Jan 25 23:40:33 <stevo32> ;)
Jan 25 23:40:49 --> glogo (~chatzilla@71.93.83.147) has joined #blag
Jan 25 23:40:52 <glogo> hi
Jan 25 23:40:54 <stevo32> hi
Jan 25 23:40:56 <glogo> hi
Jan 25 23:40:56 <weyasey> hi
Jan 25 23:40:58 <glogo> hi
Jan 25 23:41:06 <glogo> okay
Jan 25 23:41:09 * glogo takes a big breath
Jan 25 23:41:19 <stevo32> so....did the light come on at any point during boot?
Jan 25 23:41:21 * glogo not pushing any buttons yet
Jan 25 23:41:24 <glogo> no
Jan 25 23:41:46 * glogo doesnt' get it. it was working...
Jan 25 23:41:50 <stevo32> glogo, chkconfig --add NetworkManager
Jan 25 23:41:54 <glogo> k
Jan 25 23:41:57 <stevo32> /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
Jan 25 23:42:08 <stevo32> a tray icon will appear. right click it and you should get a list of networks.
Jan 25 23:43:09 <glogo> it says I have to be root.
Jan 25 23:43:14 <glogo> moment...
Jan 25 23:43:17 <stevo32> you do. run those commands as root.
Jan 25 23:44:13 <glogo> light is on!
Jan 25 23:44:23 <glogo> It says I'm connected!
Jan 25 23:44:35 <glogo> nothing in the task bar tho.
Jan 25 23:44:40 <stevo32> hmm.
Jan 25 23:44:47 <stevo32> where did it say you were connected?
Jan 25 23:44:55 <glogo> It flashed on the screen, a nice logo, for a few seconds.
Jan 25 23:45:04 <glogo> up in the upper right
Jan 25 23:45:12 <glogo> ah, it's up there.
Jan 25 23:45:58 <stevo32> well, that should be it.
Jan 25 23:46:11 <stevo32> that program will open at boot now.
Jan 25 23:47:00 <stevo32> mmm-'kay?
Jan 25 23:48:02 Usage: PING <nick | channel>, CTCP pings nick or channel
Jan 25 23:49:20 <stevo32_> whoops, i dropped out there for a minute. i may ping timeout.
Jan 25 23:49:47 <weyasey> glogo: so you're all sorted now....paste the result of iwconfig eth1
Jan 25 23:49:54 <stevo32> she's not responding to pings...
Jan 25 23:50:11 <stevo32> ;)
Jan 25 23:50:12 <jebba> well, ping probably hits her router not her
Jan 25 23:50:20 <stevo32> nonono, /ctcp pings
Jan 25 23:50:22 <jebba> ah
Jan 25 23:50:25 <stevo32> through irc
Jan 25 23:50:35 <stevo32> she probably pulled ethernet and threw a party ;)
Jan 25 23:50:41 <weyasey> k
Jan 25 23:51:08 --> glogo_ (~chatzilla@71.93.83.147) has joined #blag
Jan 25 23:51:09 <jebba> well, if it switched from ether to wifi she'd probably have to quit/restart seamonkey
Jan 25 23:51:09 <glogo_> hi
Jan 25 23:51:10 <jebba> heh
Jan 25 23:51:16 <jebba> hi
Jan 25 23:51:18 <stevo32> hiya.
Jan 25 23:51:22 <stevo32> on wireless now?
Jan 25 23:51:24 <stevo32> all good?
Jan 25 23:51:25 <weyasey> hi
Jan 25 23:51:27 <glogo_> it seems I can't restart the network w/o crashing.
Jan 25 23:51:32 <glogo_> no
Jan 25 23:51:32 <stevo32> restart the network
Jan 25 23:51:33 <stevo32> ?
Jan 25 23:51:42 <stevo32> and what crashes?
Jan 25 23:52:01 <glogo_> well. I started the networkmanager, then I hit a button up there and everything just locked up.
Jan 25 23:52:07 * jebba off to bed
Jan 25 23:52:12 <glogo_> everything locks.
Jan 25 23:52:13 <stevo32> disclaimer: i'm going to bed in 10 minutes whether this is fixed or not.
Jan 25 23:52:16 <glogo_> bye jebba
Jan 25 23:52:21 <weyasey> me too
Jan 25 23:52:23 <glogo_> okay, np
Jan 25 23:52:29 <glogo_> you guys are great
Jan 25 23:52:31 <stevo32> #blag is tired ;)
Jan 25 23:52:35 <glogo_> me too.
Jan 25 23:52:38 <glogo_> and hungry
Jan 25 23:52:43 <jebba> glogo_, good luck. You really are just there... like with your finger an inch from the finish line ;)
Jan 25 23:52:44 <stevo32> glogo_, well, can you connect via wireless /now/ ?
Jan 25 23:52:47 <jebba> ciao for now though ;)
Jan 25 23:52:50 <weyasey> remember you cannot use wifi and lan at the same time
Jan 25 23:52:57 <stevo32> indeed, they don't mix.
Jan 25 23:53:01 <glogo_> okay, run the manager again?
Jan 25 23:53:07 <stevo32> is it not running right now?
Jan 25 23:53:17 <glogo_> ah, that was the problem then?
Jan 25 23:53:24 <stevo32> if not, yes, run it. /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start (as root)
Jan 25 23:53:25 <glogo_> no not runningnow
Jan 25 23:53:32 <glogo_> k
Jan 25 23:53:43 <glogo_> then I should stop the eth0 at some point....
Jan 25 23:53:47 <stevo32> nono
Jan 25 23:53:48 <glogo_> right?
Jan 25 23:53:51 <glogo_> k
Jan 25 23:53:55 <glogo_> okay here goes
Jan 25 23:53:59 <stevo32> is it started?
Jan 25 23:54:09 <stevo32> when it is, run iwconfig and paste the results here.
Jan 25 23:54:22 --- Ping reply from glogo_ : 2.10 second(s)
Jan 25 23:54:26 --- Ping reply from glogo_ : 0.31 second(s)
Jan 25 23:54:31 <glogo_> it's up.
Jan 25 23:54:39 <stevo32> alright, well, run iwconfig & paste the results
Jan 25 23:54:48 <stevo32> iwonfig is actually /sbin/iwconfig
Jan 25 23:54:56 <stevo32> *iwconfig
Jan 25 23:55:04 <glogo_> eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"Broadcom 4318"
Jan 25 23:55:05 <glogo_> Mode:Managed Frequency=2.484 GHz Access Point: Invalid
Jan 25 23:55:07 <glogo_> Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=18 dBm
Jan 25 23:55:08 <glogo_> RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Jan 25 23:55:10 <glogo_> Encryption key:off
Jan 25 23:55:12 <glogo_> Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Jan 25 23:55:13 <glogo_> Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Jan 25 23:55:15 <glogo_> Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
Jan 25 23:55:19 <stevo32> whack that thing in the corner of the screen.
Jan 25 23:55:26 <stevo32> (the networkmanager icon)
Jan 25 23:55:31 <glogo_> whack?
Jan 25 23:55:32 <-- glogo has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds)
Jan 25 23:55:47 --- glogo_ is now known as glogo
Jan 25 23:55:59 <stevo32> yes
Jan 25 23:56:17 <glogo> um, sorry stevo32, you want me to turn it off or something?
Jan 25 23:56:22 <stevo32> right click on it
Jan 25 23:56:31 * stevo32 ought to have been clearer.
Jan 25 23:56:34 <glogo> ya,
Jan 25 23:56:43 <glogo> i got network info on it.
Jan 25 23:56:51 <stevo32> ok, well, select your network
Jan 25 23:57:14 <glogo> active connection is eth0 according to this, nothing to choose
Jan 25 23:57:24 <stevo32> hit the killswitch.
Jan 25 23:57:38 <stevo32> (the thing you use to activate your network)
Jan 25 23:57:44 <stevo32> the physical button, that is
Jan 25 23:58:23 <stevo32> damnit, she's not responding. i hope she didn't interpret 'killswitch' as the power button ;)
Jan 25 23:58:39 <weyasey> me too
Jan 25 23:59:00 <weyasey> i think you have to say what you mean
Jan 25 23:59:08 <weyasey> or she gets confused
Jan 25 23:59:08 <stevo32> yeah...............
Jan 25 23:59:25 <stevo32> whatever, i'll deal with this for a bit longer. weyasey, ideas?
Jan 25 23:59:59 <weyasey> i'm worried that lan is on when trying to use wifi
Jan 26 00:00:10 <stevo32> i don't think it's an issue
Jan 26 00:00:17 <weyasey> kk
Jan 26 00:00:38 <weyasey> the card is not getting the essid
Jan 26 00:00:59 <stevo32> the card isn't even turning on at this point, from the looks of things.
Jan 26 00:01:24 <weyasey> seems to be a little flaky
Jan 26 00:01:34 <stevo32> most things wireless are ;)
Jan 26 00:01:45 <weyasey> yeah
Jan 26 00:02:07 <stevo32> i said hit the killswitch 5 minutes ago. is she coming back?
Jan 26 00:02:38 <weyasey> don't look like she is
Jan 26 00:03:05 <stevo32> i'm going to go put the cat to bed, brush teeth, etc., let her know i'm just away at the moment if she comes back
Jan 26 00:03:23 <weyasey> my ipw2200 is rock steady and works out the box
Jan 26 00:03:37 <weyasey> will do
Jan 26 00:07:32 <-- glogo has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds)