[15:57] <Davegoodson> anyone know why the file transfers in gaim over MSN are slow?
[15:59] <elb> the FAQ does
[16:01] <Davegoodson> ..
[16:01] <Davegoodson> meh
[16:01] <Davegoodson> elb, any idea when they will fully support peer to peer?
[16:02] <etan> When someone writes it, feel free to.
[16:03] <Davegoodson> etan, i would if i could...
[16:04] <Davegoodson> it'd be nice to see full msn file transfer support in 2
[16:04] <LSchiere> that's what everyone who cares says
[16:04] <LSchiere> no one who cares about the file transfer speed is both interested and able to help with it
[16:04] <Davegoodson> LSchiere, teach me to code then i;ll do it
[16:04] <LSchiere> until that changes, it will not happen
[16:05] <Davegoodson> ... well its abit sucky... i mean other clients have it supported!
[16:05] <etan> So?
[16:05] <resiak> That's really going to help get it implemented faster
[16:06] <Davegoodson> ^o) mmk
[16:07] <Davegoodson> i take it most people arnt bothered because they don't use msn ... or do they?
[16:08] <resiak> It seems that people who write patches for Gaim are not people who use MSN file transfers
[16:08] <Err> ...and they typically don't use MSN, because it sucks :-)
[16:08] <elb> very few developers use file transfer
[16:08] <elb> because developers understand better ways to transfer files
[16:09] <elb> the people who *do* use file transfer almost universally are not programmers
[16:10] <Davegoodson> elb what other ways are better then?
[16:11] <elb> I personally use cp to ~/.www
[16:11] <elb> and pass out a URL
[16:12] =-= Mode #gaim -o elb by ChanServ
[16:13] <Davegoodson> yes thats all nice and dandy. but half of my mates dont even know what a webserver is.. even the ones who know what they are etc tend to use file transfer just for small random things like pictures..
[16:13] <rizzo> devs should just use file transfer to send the entire codebase to other devs after making changes
[16:13] <rizzo> no need for svn or cvs
[16:13] <elb> right, I already told you ... only teh dumb people want IM file transfer
[16:13] <rizzo> problem solved
[16:14] <elb> and they aren't programmers
[16:14] <elb> you're using the word "but", and then agreeing with me
[16:14] <Davegoodson> rizzo? oh yeh lets just replace svn... :S
[16:14] <elb> PLEASE GOD, YES
[16:14] <elb> REPLACE SVN
[16:14] <rizzo> Davegoodson: the bottom line is that it isn't a high priority for the devs, if a priority at all
[16:15] <rizzo> Davegoodson: so your best bet is to find someone to write a patch. perhaps offer up a bounty
[16:15] * rizzo suggests moving to mercurial
[16:16] <elb> why use a monotone copy, when you can just use monotone!
[16:16] <Davegoodson> ... this just all sounds like you can't be bothered at all
[16:17] <elb> basically
[16:17] <etan> Davegoodson: The developers don't care so they aren't going to do it unless there is a really good reason, and there isn't one.
[16:17] <elb> we have a finite amount of time to spend on Gaim
[16:17] <etan> If someone else wants to do it we will gladly accept a good patch for it.'
[16:18] <Davegoodson> so what you are saying is, you'd rather improve the things that you use yourselves and not the other people that use it.
[16:18] <elb> right
[16:18] <elb> because the other people can improve the things they use
[16:18] <Davegoodson> anyway. thank you for you time. it was very interesting to see what you morons had to say
[16:18] <elb> haha
[16:18] <elb> I LOVE users like him
[16:19] <elb> someone save that for posterity
[16:19] <rizzo> it ended as I foresaw
[16:20] <etan> gaims-funniest hasn't been upated in a while.
[16:20] <rizzo> impressive lack of cursing this time
[16:20] <rizzo> normally "assholes" gets thrown out at least once
[16:20] <elb> yeah, and he didn't say "gay" even once
[16:20] <etan> Yeah, he was a rather good mannered idiot about this.
[16:21] <elb> it boggles my mind how many users believe that "because I want it" is a good reason for a developer to shift effort from something else
[16:21] <rizzo> Users seem to have a sense of entitlement about these things.
[16:21] <elb> it's like they think we just sit around doing nothing, rather than implementing their desires
[16:21] <rizzo> and don't react well when told that it isn't going to happen
[16:21] <elb> and, apparently, sit around doing nothing on their dollar