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[15:57]	<Davegoodson>	anyone know why the file transfers in gaim over MSN are slow?
[15:59]	<elb>	the FAQ does
[16:01]	<Davegoodson>	..
[16:01]	<Davegoodson>	meh
[16:01]	<Davegoodson>	elb, any idea when they will fully support peer to peer?
[16:02]	<etan>	When someone writes it, feel free to.
[16:03]	<Davegoodson>	etan, i would if i could...
[16:04]	<Davegoodson>	it'd be nice to see full msn file transfer support in 2
[16:04]	<LSchiere>	that's what everyone who cares says
[16:04]	<LSchiere>	no one who cares about the file transfer speed is both interested and able to help with it
[16:04]	<Davegoodson>	LSchiere, teach me to code then i;ll do it
[16:04]	<LSchiere>	until that changes, it will not happen
[16:05]	<Davegoodson>	... well its abit sucky... i mean other clients have it supported!
[16:05]	<etan>	So?
[16:05]	<resiak>	That's really going to help get it implemented faster
[16:06]	<Davegoodson>	^o) mmk
[16:07]	<Davegoodson>	i take it most people arnt bothered because they don't use msn ... or do they?
[16:08]	<resiak>	It seems that people who write patches for Gaim are not people who use MSN file transfers
[16:08]	<Err>	...and they typically don't use MSN, because it sucks :-)
[16:08]	<elb>	very few developers use file transfer
[16:08]	<elb>	because developers understand better ways to transfer files
[16:09]	<elb>	the people who *do* use file transfer almost universally are not programmers
[16:10]	<Davegoodson>	elb what other ways are better then?
[16:11]	<elb>	I personally use cp to ~/.www
[16:11]	<elb>	and pass out a URL
[16:12]	=-=	Mode #gaim -o elb by ChanServ
[16:13]	<Davegoodson>	yes thats all nice and dandy. but half of my mates dont even know what a webserver is.. even the ones who know what they are etc tend to use file transfer just for small random things like pictures..
[16:13]	<rizzo>	devs should just use file transfer to send the entire codebase to other devs after making changes
[16:13]	<rizzo>	no need for svn or cvs
[16:13]	<elb>	right, I already told you ... only teh dumb people want IM file transfer
[16:13]	<rizzo>	problem solved
[16:14]	<elb>	and they aren't programmers
[16:14]	<elb>	you're using the word "but", and then agreeing with me
[16:14]	<Davegoodson>	rizzo? oh yeh lets just replace svn... :S
[16:14]	<elb>	PLEASE GOD, YES
[16:14]	<elb>	REPLACE SVN
[16:14]	<rizzo>	Davegoodson: the bottom line is that it isn't a high priority for the devs, if a priority at all
[16:15]	<rizzo>	Davegoodson: so your best bet is to find someone to write a patch. perhaps offer up a bounty
[16:15]	* rizzo	suggests moving to mercurial
[16:16]	<elb>	why use a monotone copy, when you can just use monotone!
[16:16]	<Davegoodson>	... this just all sounds like you can't be bothered at all
[16:17]	<elb>	basically
[16:17]	<etan>	Davegoodson: The developers don't care so they aren't going to do it unless there is a really good reason, and there isn't one.
[16:17]	<elb>	we have a finite amount of time to spend on Gaim
[16:17]	<etan>	If someone else wants to do it we will gladly accept a good patch for it.'
[16:18]	<Davegoodson>	so what you are saying is, you'd rather improve the things that you use yourselves and not the other people that use it.
[16:18]	<elb>	right
[16:18]	<elb>	because the other people can improve the things they use
[16:18]	<Davegoodson>	anyway. thank you for you time. it was very interesting to see what you morons had to say
[16:18]	<elb>	haha
[16:18]	<elb>	I LOVE users like him
[16:19]	<elb>	someone save that for posterity
[16:19]	<rizzo>	it ended as I foresaw
[16:20]	<etan>	gaims-funniest hasn't been upated in a while.
[16:20]	<rizzo>	impressive lack of cursing this time
[16:20]	<rizzo>	normally "assholes" gets thrown out at least once
[16:20]	<elb>	yeah, and he didn't say "gay" even once
[16:20]	<etan>	Yeah, he was a rather good mannered idiot about this.
[16:21]	<elb>	it boggles my mind how many users believe that "because I want it" is a good reason for a developer to shift effort from something else
[16:21]	<rizzo>	Users seem to have a sense of entitlement about these things.
[16:21]	<elb>	it's like they think we just sit around doing nothing, rather than implementing their desires
[16:21]	<rizzo>	and don't react well when told that it isn't going to happen
[16:21]	<elb>	and, apparently, sit around doing nothing on their dollar